Big League Utah, a group led by former Utah Jazz owner Gail Miller, is interested in bringing an expansion Major League Baseball franchise to Salt Lake City, reports Jeff Passan of ESPN.
Major League Baseball has not expanded in 25 years now, when the 1998 season saw the league grow to 30 teams with the additions of the Arizona Diamondbacks and Tampa Bay Devil Rays, with the latter club later dropping the demonic portion of their name. Many have wondered when the league might consider expanding again, with commissioner Rob Manfred frequently stating that the Rays and Athletics need to resolve their respective stadium situations before expansion will be legitimately on the table. Passan’s report indicates that is indeed still the priority, though all signs point to expansion being just over the horizon.
Both of those stadium situations seem to be moving towards resolutions, one way or another. The Rays have put forth a plan to redevelop the St. Petersburg Gas Plant District, with mayor Ken Welch backing the proposal. The negotiations are still ongoing but it seems like progress is being made before the club’s lease on Tropicana Field expires after the 2027 season. The A’s, meanwhile, have been in talks with the city of Oakland for a while about developing their own stadium, threatening to move to Las Vegas if nothing gets done. Manfred recently suggested that January of 2024 is an unofficial deadline for them to get something done with Oakland.
As those situations near their conclusions, the talk of expansion should only increase. A couple of groups have already positioned themselves to be in the mix for new franchises. A group in Nashville has attached familiar names like Dave Dombrowski, Tony La Russa and Dave Stewart. They recently added Don Mattingly while branding themselves as the Nashville Stars. Dombrowski and Mattingly are currently employed by the Phillies and Blue Jays, respectively, but are still connected to the Stars/Music City Baseball. There’s also the Portland Diamond Project, which has been trying to position itself for a club for many years, submitting bids for parcels of land five years ago. Passan also lists Charlotte, Montreal and Las Vegas as potential expansion locations, the latter presumably only if they don’t end up hosting the Athletics.
Those two ventures will now seemingly have some competition from this Salt Lake City group. The 79-year-old Miller owned the Utah Jazz until recently. Her husband Larry H. Miller had purchased the team in the 1980s but she took over the club, and his other business ventures, upon his death in 2009. The Miller family sold the Jazz in October of 2020. Passan reports that Big League Utah involves the Larry H. Miller Company but also former big leaguers Dale Murphy and Jeremy Guthrie, both of whom live in Utah now. The group has its sights set on building a stadium in the Rocky Mountain Power District, an area outside the downtown core of Salt Lake City.
“Salt Lake City is a major league city,” said Steve Starks, CEO of the Miller Company. “We believe that as a top-30 media market in the fastest-growing state in the country with the youngest population, that’s where our attention should be — and that we could accomplish bringing a team to the Wasatch Front.”
Utah Governor Spencer Cox also seems on board. “It would be, I think, a validation of everything that we’ve worked so hard to do,” Cox said. “We’ve proven ourselves in a sports capacity with Olympics in 2002 and coming back in 2030 or, more likely, 2034. We’ve hosted two NBA All-Star Games. We know we can do this. It would just be meaningful for people who love this sport, who care deeply about it. We’re a baseball state.”
Per Passan’s report, members of the group have already been in contact with Major League Baseball and have also toured the facilities of the Atlanta Braves. They are touting the viability of Salt Lake City as a destination based on its population, which makes it a larger media market than that of the Padres, Royals, Reds and Brewers. They also highlight a strong economy which includes an unemployment rate of just 2.4%. Starks also said local residents were surveyed about their preferences for expansion sports teams and MLB was the top choice in that polling, ahead of the NFL.
However the expansion competition ultimately plays out, it figures to be a boon to the league. For one thing, expansion tends to create millions of new dedicated fans, which is good for growing the sport. There also should be plenty of interest among current baseball fans, as expansion will need to be accompanied by a draft, with the new clubs filling their rosters by plucking players from the others. Beyond that, expansion franchises pay fees for the right to join the league, with that money divided amongst the existing clubs. The new franchises in Arizona and Tampa each paid $130MM in fees back in 1998 but Passan estimates the fee will be closer to $2 billion this time around.
The New Home of the Rays. I like it the Salt Lake City Rays.
I know as a Yankees fan you probably don’t have great literacy but the title says “expansion” not “relocation”.
I take offense and Simply Orange all day!
@Trop-Whatever it takes for the Rays to get out of that dump (the crap) stadium they play in now. It would their best move to relocate the team.
@Drink Pee- That’s your problem. If you had better literacy you would be rooting for another team. Enjoy your hot start, that won’t last.
The Sun Rays?
If MLB is going to expand, we’re going to need more minor league teams, as it is right now, it’s spread a little thin. This is one area I don’t trust Manfred with. Say what you will about Selig, but he did a better job with the expansion teams than what Manfred is going to potentially do. Feel free to correct me I may not have all the information about this topic, so I apologize in advance.
Two expansions would enable several minor league cities that lost teams during the cutbacks to get back into the game. An expansion would actually add 10 new teams if you count the two replacement franchise for the new big league teams if they currently have AAA spots.
With all of the independent leagues going right now, logistics are already in place for all those minor league teams to be re-added.
Okay, I didn’t know this. Thank you for sharing, if that’s the case I’m good with more teams and cities joining MLB. Which division and league they play in will a good discussion too.
There are no leagues anymore. With “National League” and “American League”teams playing each other, the AL and N L designations have effectively been blurred. It’s now just Major League Baseball. Instead of reorganizing teams into AL and NL groups for the PO, they should just seed all of the teams. That way everyone gets into the PO. Wouldn’t that be fun, Manfred, since you’re determined to change the game into a mere image of it’s beautiful past.
Most likely if a AAA city like Nashville, SLC, Charlotte, Las Vegas got an MLB team, the current AAA team would continue play as the top affiliate of the MLB team.
Nashville, Vegas, Charlotte all built high dollar AAA facilities in the last ten years and Salt Lake is getting a new stadium in 2025, in a different part of the metro area than the MLB proposal.
There would be some concern about splitting attendance, but that’s overblown with both teams being at home concurrently only about 25% of the time. Plus it gins up fan interest and player knowledge and adds some convenience for scouting, player transfer, resource sharing etc.
Didn’t MiLB retract?
Where have you been!!??
What teams do you think they retracted?
They retracted 42 teams a short while ago.
Yes. 42 minor league teams were contracted at the beginning of the new CBA. .
Yeah but in the early 2000s there was talk of contraction when Selig was the commish.
One scenario had the Angels being folded and the A’s moving down to Anaheim.
At first glance one would think Utah wouldn’t be a viable big league market but with the mass exoduses of California, Washington state, and Oregon the states population is likely booming. It would be interesting to see two franchises in the rocky mountains ditch the humidors during head-to-head matchups
Th myth of mass exodus from west states is just that a myth. California lost only 50,000 residents in a state of 40 million. That is less than 0.00125% I wish more would move to make my commute time quicker.
You missed a 0 on the 50,000 figure…
Nope. Poster said net. CA is gaining residents almost as fast as it is losing them. The “mass exoduses” from the three west coast states is a myth propagated by the conservative media industry. They also happen to have three of the healthiest economies in the U.S.
Check out this article from known conservative media publication LA Times. Keep coping bud. You’re NGMI
most that leave those states are either old or less educated and with less earning power.
on the other hand, most new immigrants are highly educated and bring $$$’s with them.
I guess the great shape of California is best illustrated by all the needles, feces and trash in SF. Also things are so great in SF, store chains are closing.
I guess the great shape of California is best illustrated by all the needles, feces and trash in SF. Also things are so great in SF, store chains are closing.,
third reich had no homeless. thank god our government is nothing like that.
The exodus is real. Mass is a strong word. Just people sick of an oppressive government.
No, not taxes or liberal government. They’ve had those and people have been moving IN for decades. And they have the 5th largest economy in the world, behind the UK. TX isn’t even in the top 25.
In CA, the people leaving are tired of high real estate costs due to the fact that so many people want to live there. Also, the fires are getting to some people as well, and that is only going to get worse.
The real estate cost and climate issues are coming to TX as well. They already have a horrible climate. Won’t take long until their residents start moving north.
People are leaving the western states because of the high cost of living coupled with low wages. It’s really not any more complicated than that, in spite of what Fox news tells you.
Too many people are getting the wrong stats. Real estate is the #1 reason people are moving out of California. Who can afford $1 million for a 3 bedroom home? No such thing as oppressive government in California. The high cost of living in California is killing their incomes.
There is a big swing of people in Utah but its not SLC but farther down south in Utah. One of the biggest growing areas in the US. I could see a team moving to SLC but more in the central part to get the most fans.
There’s nothing funnier than when the Fox News crowd proudly proclaims themselves a great place to relocate from liberal hellholes, only to watch real estate prices soar, tax rates rising to keep up with the need for more services, and the townies who just got priced out of their own market complain about you know, capitalism and why the big bad government doesn’t do something aka manipulate markets to their benefit.
You should just be happy with the blue state to red state tax dollar redistribution (the socialism you claim to hate) and just keep your mouths shut
i know a person who moved to waco, texas for a job. after a second chemical explosion he hightailed back to cal.
Funny how all these northern cities are liberal hellholes until your team is playing here. Then you hillbillies can’t crowd into our cities fast enough.
I don’t watch Fox news. I feel sorry for your delusions.
It’s us Californian’s paying more for everything. Gasoline,Natural Gas,Car Registration. State and local Tax. Car insurance. And then there’s the Democrats giving away everything for free if you come across our Southern border.
Utah- OKC, Tulsa, and South Central Kansas are already low key Texas when it comes to relocations.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Good one, njbirdsfan!
We just sold a house in the Austin area last year that I used as my home base while working that area of the country. Bought it for 185k and sold for 1.2 million last year. Our house in San Diego was valued at 430k when we bought the house outside Austin. It’s now worth 1.8 million. I paid 14 times more property tax on the house in Austin in 2022 than our house in San Diego. Part of that is that the property tax on the SD house has not gone up since we bought it in the mid-1980s. If we had wanted to refi our home in Austin it would have had a higher interest rate than the one in San Diego. Not sure why that is the case.
Moral of the story? Not that much difference in housing costs anymore, its going up everywhere. Also, the state and local government WILL get tax dollars out of you one way or another. Don’t think that just because there is no state income tax in Texas that you will not be paying just as much total there.
Take a look at the price of real estate in the SLC area. We own two properties we VRBO out in the Cottonwood area and they are both valued at over $1 million.
Sales tax is higher in Austin than San Diego. Property tax is much, much higher in Texas than in California. Car insurance is higher in Texas too.
My wife is a CPA. She’s constantly saying that states make up the tax someplace. I’m not sure if Dallas/Austin are great representatives of deals in the central region. Everyone says Austin. Hut places like Tulsa are kind of hush hush don’t tell everyone type places.
Austin is the California of Texas, though
This is what I’ve seen in most true tax burden studies. No income tax gets made up in other ways. It’s why the tax burden in TX is higher for a family with less than about $250k income
What does the CNN news crowd do, sit by and watch peaceful arson protests and riots? Asking for a friend who wants to move to Portland.
The population dropped by 500,000 from April 2020 to July 2022. The much higher exodus is masked by the large numbers coming in from other countries. There is a large migration from California mostly to other western states. That’s not a myth.
It’s been my lifelong dream to move to Missouri and get murdered because someone thinks I looked at them funny and they’re the type to just pull a gun and ask questions later.
You should see someone about that irrational fear.
Why? St Louis has by far the highest violent crime rate in the country among cities over 100k in population and 4 towns near St Louis are even higher.
1) He didn’t say St Louis.
2) Like all cities, you simply stay away from the high crime areas and you’re fine.
St. Louis has some really nice little places around it if you have the change. Like most places the violence is generally limited to some areas.
Missouri has the 7th highest violent crime rate of any state.
Bart Harley Jarvis
A population decrease of 472,000 sounds a lot less impactful when you consider the current population is 39,030,000, a decrease of 1.2%. I think more than two years of data is needed before this is determined to be a long-term trend.
If you’re a Missouri resident (and for comparison purposes), it’s population grew by 24,000 for an increase of 0.4%, which is essentially a flat growth line.
It’s not happening
It’s a lot more than 50K
Interesting. I saw a video that stated that 150,000 Californians alone had move to the DFW Metroplex alone in 2017. They sure seem to be on the move. It’s really overturned our real estate market. If I told you where I lived you’d be surprised. Can’t say I blame a person getting ready to retire on a working salary going out to the southern plains or midwest and having a nice life with a much bigger house.
Studies show humans typically seek out news articles that confirm their existing worldviews.
My source is an LA Times article from Feb. 16th. The San Diego Union-Tribune reports the same. Public Policy Institute of California goes fro Jan. 2020 to July 2020 with a 600,000 population loss. Every source I see says the same thing.
and we californians can’t wait to see more people move away.
btw, a large portion of homes are bought by corporations to make quick bucks and keep the prices high. there is a movement in senate to force them to sell.
It was 500k over 2 years, not a few months in both the article in the LA Times and the SD UT. The census pegs it at 218k over those 2 years.
Happy to see those people moving out go to your cities in Missouri and drive up real estate prices and tax rates to pay for all the government services you will need for them.
Yeah that second one was an obvious typo.
Numbers don’t begin to tell the story…..
California has been losing skilled workers for decades, replaced by migrants putting Porta Potties in their front yards in a lot of what used to be middle class areas. Business that paid well have left the state in droves due to both excessive taxation and being told what they’re allowed to do in running their business. U-Haul had so many trucks going from California to Texas that they have to hire people to drive them back….and I don’t watch Fox News…..or listen to NPR. The leftist politicians in NY state and Californian bemoan “revenue discrepancy” – meanwhile their 2 states have the largest discrepancy according to IRS figures. Facts Matter!
I know because I and all my friends left over the past 15 years. Have been very happy in a medium sized city in the Midwest. Don’t have to watch 3-1/2 hours of local news each day covering violence and complaints while being subjected to never-ending commercials for drug and alcohol rehabilitation, legal firms (because everyone seems to be suing one another), and psychological retreats.
It’s sort of shocking when people need quality medical attention and find that the quality doctors will not accept insurance – they want to be paid in cash…..at the time of service.
Well, California has a slew of problems but maintains one of the top 7 economies in the world and provides vastly superior social services when compared with most other states. We have a terrible NIMBY system of elitism and red tape with housing/property development that skyrockets prices causing people to continually move elsewhere… but the idea that places like Utah or Texas are some sort of freedom/business utopias attracting the disaffected masses is very much a political narrative that some people want to believe.
They just released a new map of life expectancies in the US, paints a pretty grim picture for parts of Texas and the rest of the deep south.
Bart Harley Jarvis
I’m guessing you spend a lot of time in California, and would never base your arguments on anecdotal information and here say.
I moved to Northern California 6 years ago, and it’s wonderful. Beautiful weather, people are highly educated, well paid, friendly, houses sell within a week, and no open-carry rednecks walking the streets. It’s easily the nicest place to live in the US. You better bring a fat check book if you have one, because it’s expensive here. And the porta-potties in the front yards are for contractors building beautiful brand new homes in established neighborhoods.
I would think Portland is a more viable option than SLC
Portland has less funds to build a stadium. How over crowded Portland is right now I doubt there is any space for a team there.
Portland already has a location secured for a stadium and investors to build a privately financed stadium. They also have thousands of people that have put down a deposit on seat licenses for a team that doesn’t exist yet. They are ready and they are a bigger market than SLC.
Let the Name Game Begin!!!
The Salt Lake City Elks?
The Salt Lake City Bees?
The Utah Bees?
The Utah Elks?
I think Utah works much better than Salt Lake City on anything. SLC just doesn’t roll off the tongue. I like the idea of maybe Cougars or Coyotes. Sounds much more fierce than a Bee or an Elk.
If the county and not the state is cutting the funds for a stadium then it should be named Salt Lake.
It’s all about how the name sounds vs anything like funding. Colorado Rockies sounds better than Denver Rockies. Minnesota Twins sounds better than Minneapolis Twins. California Angels sounds better than LA Angels, but they went the other way there. The jury is still out on Florida Marlins vs Miami Marlins. Neither is particularly bad, but neither is really good either.
When it comes down to it, it only matters to the team owner. No other opinions matter at all.
It most definitely matters to those in charge of the city and county, if they are footing 1B$ they’re going to want the team name named after them – it’s free advertising.
They can want whatever they want, but it is still the decision of the owner.
So the Angels should be named the Anaheim Angels since the city owns the stadium?
It’s not the decision of the owner if funds are dependent on the name.
But that has literally never happened in the history of sports in the United States.
I’m going with the Utah Jazz again because that name makes so much sense.
Let’s modernize the Jazz, Utah hip hop musicians.
Salt Lake City Soakers!
Let’s get moist!!!
I laughed way too hard at this.
Comrade Tipsy McBlotto
The Salt Lake City Kolobs
The Utah Cult
Salt Lake City Morons
The Utah Polygamists
Comrade Tipsy McBlotto
The Utah Kolobs
The Salt Lake City Cult
Bees is the only way to go. Let the Triple-A team get something new and weird and let’s keep big leagues halfway simple and respectable.
SLC is a much larger market than Las Vegas, but still smaller than Charlotte, Nashville, and Portland. Montreal is also a larger market, but the chances of them getting funding for a new stadium are worse than the situations faced in Oakland and Tampa.
I can’t see MLB adding more than 2 expansion teams right now, so two of those cities would work. My money would be on Portland and Nashville just because the stadium location issues are mostly settled and they have more private investment already, but I would not count out Charlotte or Montreal.
If Sacramento was not so close to the Bay area, that would be an even larger market to put a team in than any of the above.
I didn’t know Salt Lake City had grown so much, but the reasoning checks out. It would be cool to see teams in other cities around the country.
Isn’t it a minimum of 4 or 5 kids per Mormon family?
Most of the growth in Utah has been transplants. SLC is majority non-LDS now.
Sacramento is fine, decent TV markets and solid attendance, enough to consistently support a NBA franchise. When I lived there we went to a Rivercats game assuming we’d just get tickets at the gates and it was sold out, whoops!
Wouldn’t mind a team from Sacramento too. Just happy to potentially get more teams in MLB!
The same Sacramento Basketball team that has finished in the bottem 3rd in attendance the last 4 full seasons in which fans were in attendance?
Supporting an NBA franchise that plays half the games as a MLB team in an arena that holds half the attendance of what a small Major League stadium would hold actually says that Sacramento is not a viable option any more than Oakland is
Yea, and despite the fact the team continually sucks and was even undermined by corrupt league officials in favor of the Kobe/Shaq Lakers… they have persisted, without moving like the Grizzlies or having to get creative like Oklahoma. The top markets are already well represented and we’re looking at niche areas for expansions.
California and Texas don’t need another team. MLB would be better off going back in time and moving the A’s back to Philadelphia and putting a team in Montreal. Utah, is not far fetched. Las Vegas too. Louisiana is another spot I think would work and North or South Carolina
Locally Montreal just doesn’t care about baseball, they even had issues with support for their local hockey team. At the state level though, the Blue Jays seem to get massive Canadian support for televised games and if another team could tap into that it would be more than enough to support a MLB franchise.
Austin and San Antonio beg to differ. Are you aware of their populations?
Rogers Communications, a broadcasting company, owns the Blue Jays.
Sacramento is where the A’s should go if they could get a stadium built – perhaps near the airport.
Move the A’s to Vegas and rename the Vegas Aces. Move the Rays to Charlotte and renames them the Carolina Mudcats. Expand to SLC (Cougars?) (AL) and Montreal Expos (NL) .
Fisher said he wants a Billion dollar stadium to move. So who gives him that money he will move tomorrow.
Who is Fisher?
Owner of the Oakland Athletics.
A’s in Oakland, CA, Rays in Tampa, FL.
Hiflew….it would be TRAGIC to rename the A’s. They have vast history and previous relocations. I don’t think this is like the Expos. This is a very old team
That’s why I went with Aces. Because you could still call them the A’s and it makes more sense.
fact is Fisher wants a free billion dollar stadium for him to move to another city. Vegas is out of money since they spent it on the Raiders so does SLC has the money to give Fisher a billion dollars stadium?
I think Fisher mostly wants real estate in a prime location with a high resale value once the stadium, condos, and new businesses come into the area. I don’t baseball has a lot to do with it at this point.
Insert Steve Ballmer meme here
New Orleans is the southern version of Oakland.
New Orleans Scuba Divers. With the way the gulf waters are rising, New Orleans will be completely underwater in a couple decades. Not exactly ideal for baseball.
That was the claim by academia in the 70’s that all the coastsl cities would be under water by 2000, so what’s another 40 yrs
It’s about the same as predicting someone’s death. It WILL happen at some point, but no one can really accurately predict it.
Utah is a beautiful state. Probably only second to California. Salt Lake would be a great place for a team.
Terrible idea. The MLB already has a competitive problem with 3/4 of the teams not competitive before opening day. Don’t add more. We need to contract a bit. Cut 10 teams to start.
How can 3/4 of the teams not be competitive when more than a third make the playoffs?
Because the let in half the league. You’re bound to get teams in that aren’t competitive. Look at the garbage time wild card game between the Indians and Rays last year.
There will be teams that wont be competitive.
A maybe eight teams just don’t care. But 3/4 is 22.5.
I guess last years the Phillies were not competitive.
Again… hyperbole much.
And there are many more competitive teams than when the last expansion draft hit.
Mainly because we’re moving the goalposts for what is considered competitive. Phillies wouldn’t have made it into the playoffs without the expansion of the playoffs so it was a perfect example of how the playoff format has turned the season in to a farce. Any team can get hot at some point in the season just a they do in getting cold. Playoffs are completely watered down and really not worth watching anymore.
This one belongs to the Reds
Only because they expanded the playoffs to hide that fact.
That doesn’t mean all are really competitive.
It’s a farce and anyone without an agenda knows it.
This one belongs to the Reds
Anyone who thinks baseball is expanding under the current system is just fooling themselves.
Manfred seems to believe there is no problem, so he is the biggest fool of all.
MLB has a tanking and fleecing county taxpayers problem.
Oh… the poor cities.
Do we really want another Denver?
I don’t, but I respect the opinion.
This won’t be done soon.
Maybe in a latter day.
I see what you did there nice!
Nothing like going to the ballpark on a beautiful day in a city where the air quality is some of the worst in the world and is only going to get worse since the great salt lake is an environmental disaster.
I propose they name the team the Utah Hip-Hop or Utah Calypso.
After all, both genres are emblematic of Utah like Jazz is.
Utah Super Soakers.
All the Mormon kids are into “soaking”, so the name fits.
With even schedules and DH in both leagues would it be too crazy adding one team and taking the top 12 overall instead of AL/NL East/Central/West? It’s a 31 team league and top 12 regardless of geography make the playoffs
just 2.4% of ballplayers are unemployed. impressive
Maybe it’s just me, but pointing to their unemployment rate is strange. Usually owners use the “job creation” B.S. to sell regions on using taxpayer funds to support the building of a stadium.
The only way Utah should get a team is if the Mormon Church offers to fund it with their 30 billion investment portfolio.
The Athletics and Rays need to move
6th and 11th largest markets in the US. They don’t need to move. They both need a new stadium and possibly new ownership. The Rays need a stadium in Tampa. St Pete is not convenient for most fans in the area. The A’s just need a new stadium that is NOT taxpayer funded.
That has to hurt Portland’s feelings that native son Dale Murphy is supporting SLC’s bid instead.
Murphy is a member of the LDS church and is living in SLC last I heard
Not going to see expansion in quite awhile. Not enough players, huge buy-in price for any additional new teams. Not going to see one in SLC. Already have AAA team. Moving an existing team is going to go to a much larger city that will support it, SLC is not that.
yeah, the city’s elevation is too high for the angels aaa team.
at least 3rd in line maybe 4th.
The league needs to get rid of a few teams not add more. If I woke up tomorrow and was told that Colorado, Arizona and both Florida teams were gone and the realigned the divisions to bring back old rivalries, I’d be happy. Then have a supplemental draft with all of those teams MLB, and minor league players on the table, the league would be stronger. But not in this current market. Pitch clocks, zombie runners on second for extra innings, robo umps and more cater to baseball fans that aren’t really fans of the game. They are the same fans that arrive in the 2nd inning and leave in the 7th and wait 4 innings in line for a beer or something to eat or sit at a bat inside the stadium and watch a tv screen. Keep catering to them and the Savannah Bananas will be the next MLB team (love the Bananas btw) but their niche is their act. MLB is lost, at this point I’d make PEDS legal and turn warning track power into upper deck shots.
B I N G O
Fact is this……
MLB has terrible problems in Tampa Bay, Miami (gee, they got a new stadium and still few come to watch the team play), and Oakland, Fans of small market teams in Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Kansas City, and other areas know through experience that if they finally develop a lot of young players and have a good competitive team – most of the quality players will leave because the revenue disparity is so great that their teams can’t afford to pay to keep the players. And while it’s fun to talk about expansion in SLC, Portland, Nashville, Charlotte, Timbuctoo and elsewhere – within 5 years those areas will realize that they’re small market teams and they too will lose most of the good players they develop…..so their fans may watch on TV when they get good for a year or two, but they won’t be spinning the turnstiles at the parks.
The reminds me of the old business school line: “We’re losing money on every sale, but we’re making it up in volume”.
Question, in 2023, is there such a thing as small market team as opposed to what was traditionally a small market team 30 years ago? I find that baseball teams, even with luxury tax, can spend and get players if they want. There is no salary cap like in football, only excuses not to spend the money. Regardless, each team’s minor league system should be ripe with talent if drafted and scouted properly. The A’s always had good prospects but gone are the days of the Eric Chavez, Mark Mulder, Tim Hudson and Barry Zito all home grown with Oakland. They don’t event let those guys hit the bigs now, they dump them before they get there. The Phillies did the same thing after the Utley, Rollins and Howard era. They tried to buy pieces instead of buy and bring up talent through proper scouting. In my opinion, the Cardinals and Red Sox for the past 20 years do the best job of balancing buying free agents, developing and bringing up prospects and knowing when to sell high buy low. The A’s money ball concept is far from what the A’s do now.
I like the Mexico idea, even bring back the Expos and have a Puerto Rico team. Or hey how about a team in Japan that is an MLB team? When you talk about this idea though, you have to also look at safety as well as types of governments that those proposed teams would be playing under. Thus, the ease of fans going to games, restrictions, laws etc. For example, many US fans would not be able to go to a game in Cuba. As a person who tries to visit a new park every year, I’d like the ability to travel to all of them freely and safely within reason.
So you want to wake up in 1992?
Like it or not expansion is coming. MLB has fallen behind the NFL in both popularity and number of Franchises, they also trail the NHL which if lucky, does a third of the Revenue of MLB. Even the NBA has floated the idea of expanding.
I do believe Manfred when he says Expansion won’t happen until the A’s and Rays stadium situations are resolved and both those issues should be solved by 2027, one way or the other. That could still put expansion teams on the field for 2030 or 2031.
Yes I do lol. But with 2023 amenities and technology.
Pirates could be moved they can’t afford to be where they are extremely small almost minor league market. Move them to salt lake give Pittsburgh a aaa or aa Team problem solved
take the a’s!
Nashville, San Antonio, and a number of other cities should all be in line in front of Salt Lake City. Besides, we don’t need any more Mountain or Pacific Time teams screwing up our game start times.
I agree. San Antonio and Austin need a MLB franchise then we could have an all Texas division and less 9 pm start times
in light of the recently completed World Baseball Classic, MLB should think outside of the box and country.
A team in Mexico and Cuba would give new dynamics to Baseball as well as bring in a huge demographic of passionate baseball fans
Pretty sure expansion to Cuba is off the table.
As for Mexico, the logistics and security concerns probably don’t favor the country as a viable option
Is San Fran, Oakland or the Bronx that much better these days?
They play soccer events in Mexico with no issues about security.
A lot of ex-mlb players play in the Mexican league as well as regular mlb players play in Latin America during winter league and I have never been aware of any concerns about their well being.
Mexico City would be a great place for a new stadium.
As for Cuba, the current politics perhaps take it off the table, but you never know. Why we maintain such a cold war mentality with Cuba while having an open relationship with authoritarian governments like China and the middle east is beyond me, but baseball would naturally bring a more open mindset to the country
Let me add that in lieu of Cuba, Puerto Rico would also be a great venue for a new team.
Too many people, especially California, are coming to Texas. I live in Dallas and the traffic now is worse than it’s ever been. Lots of companies are coming here because there’s no state income tax and bringing their employees with them. People embrace the weather here. It’s part of being a Texan. If I had it my way, Dallas would be half it’s current size. Why would anyone want to be in the top 5 of the world economy ranks? All that means is more people and higher prices. We should put a border wall around Texas. Lol.
Ski to Coors
That’s wonderful but what does it have to do with Utah getting a baseball team? Are you comparing national parks of Utah to Dallas, because they’re both full of Californians?
Population 200,000. Can we get serious?
That’s just in downtown SLC. Greater SLC is 1.2m.
This will put a LOT more money into owners pockets. They will then complain they don’t make money and won’t pay players.. And people will continue to believe them.
Dumpster Divin Theo
This post is funnier if you add between the sheets
Dumpster Divin Theo
Salt Lake City interested in baseball.. between the sheets
At the risk of being obvious. How about the Utah Salts ? with Salt White Uniforms
Expansion is coming, but it won’t be addressed until the next CBA in four years.
Last thing MLB needs is another team at 4-5k in elevation. Portland, Charlotte, Nashville, or Montreal. Big markets. Play at sea level.