The Giants placed reliever Cole Waites on the 60-day injured list this afternoon. He’s dealing with a sprain in his throwing elbow, tweets Alex Pavlovic of NBC Sports Bay Area. To take the open 40-man roster spot, outfielder Heliot Ramos was reinstated from a 60-day IL stint of his own and optioned to Triple-A Sacramento.
Waites, 25, has made three appearances for San Francisco this season. He debuted with seven games late last season. He’s allowed seven runs in his first eight MLB innings. Waites has spent the majority of the year on optional assignment to Triple-A, where he’s been tagged for a 6.16 ERA across 30 2/3 frames. The righty has walked nearly 19% of batters faced in the minors this year.
The club didn’t provide specifics on Waites’ return timetable, though his season could be in jeopardy. He’ll be out until at least mid-September. The only silver lining is that he’ll be paid at the prorated $720K MLB minimum rate and collect service for time spent on the major league injured list.
Ramos missed two months with an oblique strain. The former first-round pick has appeared in nine MLB contests in each of the past two seasons. Before the injury, he’d been off to a strong start in Triple-A. Ramos was hitting .314/.368/.589 in 27 contests for the River Cats early in the year.
Luis Gonzalez started a rehab assignment also, not like huge but with the deadline looming it could be a piece or a free injection of another outfielder at or after the deadline. Like a built in Haniger replacement at no cost other than the roster spot.
Feel bad for Cole Waites, he looked like a possible lock to be on the big league roster all this year after he looked so good last year. I hope the injury isn’t too bad. Heal up Cole!
Most of us had given up on Heliot Ramos but he’s been hot lately, maybe he is finally healthy and everything is coming into focus for him. Good for him! It’s been a long road!
I agree about Ramos he’s clearly about to get his last shot before being exposed to waivers and losing his roster spot. As for Waites he has the stuff, but with Winn and Walker and some others making dents I’d hate to see waites lose opportunity going forward. Hopefully he can get healthy fast and take advantage.
Zaidi drafted so many arms the last two years before this (this year more balanced) that hopefully a lot of them will be knocking on the door soon. Mason Black might make it up before Harrison or Whisenhunt.
That’s good because we need them!
Beck and Winn have looked good but because we have too many guys getting paid, and Beck and Winn have options, they keep getting sent down.
I think Zaidi will trade one of the many bulk innings guys: Manaea, Stripling, Wood, Disco, Junis, Hjelle? Or maybe that’s just me hoping.
Totally forgot about beck, I agree with the bulk guys I just wish they would let them start games build value or go back to the pen. But no they throw bullpen games A LOT and I get it disco bad/broken wood same Cobb has missed time with some dumb stuff. Why they haven’t just let them start is for protection? But then you’re just more vulnerable in late innings also because you’ve used guys like brebbia maybe too much rather than regularly after starters as necessary you’ve led to an unnecessary injury.
Just a view or opinion but I hate the opener even if it has had success for them, like we have both found they have a glut of middle reliever 5th starter types that need to be defined so we can start to get these younger more promising arms up. Hard to do when they you have diminished their value or trade value by not utilizing them as they were intended when you signed them according to their pay (manaea/stripling).
They have kept them away from the top of the lineup and give them a chance to settle into the game. The Giants are all about putting players in the position that gives them the best chance of success.
Personally, I don’t give a flying who now what about their trade value. It’s about winning that game on that day.
Agree foppert! People can complain about tradition or how it “should” be done, but when you win then all of that washes away. I’m all for trying new ideas, if they work then keep doing them. If not, move on to other ideas. Baseball is like life, a living breathing experiment. It needs love, has drama and dreams. I like traditions too and routines, but I’m open to whatever keeps the mojo flowing!
agnes — You’re not the only one. I’d hold Wood and Junis, but Manaea HAS to go, and —as much as I was expecting more from them— Stripling and DeSclafani might still bring something of value in trade.
This is what happens when a front office mistakes quantity for quality.
Might I add, DO NOT TRADE PROSPECTS for a rental, and that includes Ohtani.
When what happens ? Being 54 -41 ?
They went quantity because they crushed the bullpen last year. This year they are as fresh as a daisy despite being near the top of relief innings pitched. The quantity approach has worked a treat.
foppert —I didn’t say the bullpen; that has worked out fine. Hopefully it will continue throughout the rest of the season.I was referring to the starting rotation, which now is Webb, Cobb and pray for rain.
I like Keaton Winn and Triston Beck, I HOPE for Harrison and Whisenhunt and Black. But the Giants gotta go after a solid non-rental #2 or #3 at the deadline. Montgomery? (Bieber’s injured.) Who?
No you didn’t, but the Giants told us prior to the season that the starting pitching acquisitions were about piggybacking starters and taking the heat off the bullpen. It’s been great. If you listen to their recent comments, they want to get away from that now and make it a more traditional approach for the run home. Makes sense. The bullpen is
now good to go for the run home.
Sure, another starting pitching option would be great, but I’m not slitting my wrists if they can’t get it done because the market is hot. I’m not sure who they target. Stroman gave me nice warm fuzzy feelings with his comments about the Giants. That’s about all i have when it comes to knowledge of the options.
Pete-the price on starting pitching at the deadline is going to be through the roof, every team in the hunt is looking. Farhan has already said you don’t get frontline high end talent at the deadline. So keep your expectations in check. I certainly don’t want to give up our good prospects for a rental or someone who isn’t going to make a big difference. We are winning now, even with the bulk innings games. Enjoy the show and hopefully Black will be up soon, or Winn and Beck will be back.
That being said, Farhan could still pull off a miracle, and the most obvious places are not where he generally looks. I don’t think anyone will guess what his moves will be and even he doesn’t know at this point. I’m sure he has a bunch of options bubbling but he will only pull the trigger if it’s super advantageous for us.
foppert1 — Didn’t see Stroman’s comments (can you direct me there?), but he’d be fine, another ground ball pitcher. But he’s right handed and a rental. If the Giants don’t give up much for him, then sure.
Additionally, while the bullpen has been largely great, I worry (obviously more than you) that they may be more taxed than you think. I hope I’m wrong, but without the strength of the bullpen, the Giants as now constituted would have real problems in the playoffs.
Foppert and Pete—Stroman most likely will not be pursued by Farhan, he made some anti semitic comments last year, I didn’t follow the whole story but that will not fly with Kapler.
agnes — Didn’t know that. But in light of that, you’re right.
Last time he was free agent he talked up the direction the Giants were taking and that he would like to play there sometime in the future.
nbcsportsbayarea.com/mlb/san-francisco-giants/cubs…
I haven’t done a deep dive, but anecdotally, I’m thinking a lot of bullpen innings have been taken by “starters”. Manaea, Beck, Winn, Wood, Junis have taken a lot of the load. I imagine the true relief guys innings pitched is on the lighter side. Maybe not Doval.
Oh. I didn’t know that. Your right. That won’t fly at the Giants.
Foppert and Pete, if you want to post on a friendly positive Giants blog, I’m on this little one. It’s a Disqus comment system so you need a login and new name. It’s a “no dicks” policy on there lol! So be kind!
sfgiants.blog/
Agnes — Thanks. I’m looking into it.
Hi Pete, it’s a pretty small community but fun friendly Giants fans. Hope you feel like posting someday!
Giants are a team man. Really coming together. The Chemistry grows by the day. The luck continues. But that ebbs and flows. Wins are racking up. Keep em coming. They are a dangerous team right now because of depth and coaching. Imagine trading for Ohtani and having that kind of fire power. WS Contenders.
Because of all the reasons you said I would hate to trade some of the young talent on this team for 2 months of ohtani. Better to spend tons of money in free agency and see if he wants to come to sf over the dodgers, I doubt it but the way they are playing makes it pretty compelling. The dodgers and giants are a lot more similar talent wise than they have been in years other than the mega contracts for freeman and mookie and of course kershaws annual renewal. Most of the positions are a wash between the teams with the exceptions I’ve stated. Webb is locked up, Conforto has gone on tears but is no lock to opt out (maybe a restructure possibly or extension) same can be said for Cobb, but the young guys on the giants have matched or exceeded that of the dodgers farm this season which makes a choice maybe a bit tougher for Ohtani who will likely be making a choice in free agency based on the competitive windows the clubs have in front of them during the length of his next contract.
It’s a beautiful thing.
Love their chemistry Jay and that speaks to Farhan, Kapler, the scouts, the coaches, and the caliber of players they have brought in. I want to keep building on this hood vibes core though, bring up more kids and sign a few more free agents, I don’t think we should trade 5 or 6 of our top prospects for 2 months of Ohtani, that’s too much. I know prospects are just prospects until they prove it but two or three or four of Harrison, Whisenhunt, Black, Matos, McCray, Luciano, Vaun Brown, Arteaga, are going to be big league contributors if not stars. Keep them in house!
Agree Agnes. I don’t think they will trade for Ohtani or any other excessively costly acquisition. They didn’t build Papago to trade away the raw material !
I’m gonna disagree foppert/Agnes. Other systems have built prospect factories, building great prospect depth, at several levels, in order to have trade commodity. So, and just my opinion, Papago serves 2 purposes. Develop talent to get to Oracle and develop talent that’s tradable. For example, Bart/Bailey. At one point one or the other was headed to SF and one or the other was a trade piece. Now, obviously, Bailey is not going anywhere. Bart?? If his numbers in Sac continue to improve, then do will his trade value. Having said this, the Bay Area talkingheads show ignorance IMO when they say “if you trade a lot of assets only 1, maybe 2, will reach their potentials”. I say ignorance because currently SF has turned their season around primarily because of the same prospects that a year ago were considered expendable. So I’m probably contradicting myself BUT if a team sees that the prospects SF can offer have the potential that the current rookies are meeting, then a team might see the Giants as a trade partner. Bailey, Schmitt (his hitting will get fixed IMO), Matos, Sabol, Winn, Beck, Walker. Maybe FoppertAgnes you’re dead correct, keep these prospect cuz giants know how to successfully develop their own Major Leaguers, and Papago has played a major role. But maybe they can do both, build up the Giants and build trade depth. Go Giants.
Hi Claude, I’m not against ANY trades of prospects and I do agree that the Giants and Farhan are building a formidable juggernaut at Papago, and that some are destined for SF and some are trade fodder. Even with the best coaches though, it’s hard to know the future of these guys. So far I trust Farhan’s evaluators so much more than Sabean and Evans but it’s still very dicey trading prospects when you see how valuable they’ve been for us this year. It’s like heaven finally seeing our kids up! Keep that momentum going!
We will see a few moves at the deadline but I’m willing to bet that none of us will be able to predict it! Go Farhan! Go Giants!!!!
Fair point. Balance is always a good thing, Claude. If I just dropped 60m on a player development facility fully equipped with the best tech and the best minds, I’m wanting to give it every chance to make a return. Especially in the initial stages when you want to evaluate its potential
impact. That would involve hanging onto the best talent and giving them an off season or 2 at the facility. See what you have got and go from there.
I guess my point is that Papago investment was to just build talent and go from there.
Will Waites be taking a downtown train when he comes back?
I don’t understand the Ramos thing… I’ve been watching Sacramento for the last month and he’s been in the lineup almost every night
was he on the IL but still playing?
I don’t understand the Ramos thing
I’ve been watching Sacramento box score for the last month and he’s been in the lineup almost every night
was he on the IL but still playing?
I don’t understand the Ramos thing
I’ve been watching Sacramento box score for the last month and he’s been in the lineup almost every night j
was he on the IL but still playing?
He was playing rehab assignment (20-30 days) up until very recently he was re activated and sent back to Sacramento.
Hope Helio can put up some numbers to increase trade value. Giants need some chips to trade out