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AL Central Notes: Francona, Twins, Tigers

By Mark Polishuk | September 26, 2023 at 1:09pm CDT

The first 20,000 fans in attendance at Wednesday’s Guardians home game against the Reds will receive “Thank You, Tito” t-shirts, to commemorate what is very likely Terry Francona’s final home game as the Guards’ manager.  It isn’t much of a secret that Francona is planning to retire after the season, though he has stopped short of making an official announcement since “he would rather execute an Irish exit than attract one extra iota of attention,” the Athletic’s Zack Meisel writes.  Meisel’s piece is an excellent profile of Francona’s long career as a manager, coach, and player, providing plenty of insight and colorful anecdotes into one of baseball’s greatest skippers.

Here’s more from around the AL Central…

  • The Twins will use Pablo Lopez and Sonny Gray (in an order to be determined) as the starters of their first two playoff games, manager Rocco Baldelli told The Athletic’s Aaron Gleeman and other reporters.  Baldelli didn’t confirm any of Minnesota’s other pitching plans for October, but in implying that Kenta Maeda will be working as a reliever during the postseason, that would seem to set up Joe Ryan as the team’s top choice as a third starter.  Ryan has a 3.82 ERA over 30 2/3 innings since returning from the injured list, as trying to pitch through a groin strain contributed to some very shaky numbers for Ryan in midseason after an outstanding April and May.  Maeda has had a strong season in his own right and hasn’t worked as a reliever since 2019, but his usage out of the bullpen gives the Twins a potential impact reliever for their playoff run.
  • Tigers prospect Jace Jung has played only second base and DH during his two pro seasons, but he’ll now be getting some looks as a third baseman in the Arizona Fall League, Lynn Henning of the Detroit News writes.  Both MLB Pipeline (67th) and Baseball America (98th) rank Jung among the top 100 prospects in baseball, though both outlets have concerns about his eventual defensive future, as second base was seen as a less-challenging spot for Jung than the hot corner.  However, an even more highly-touted Detroit prospect faces similar defensive questions, as Colt Keith (18th BA, 25th Pipeline) looks ticketed for second base duty.  Keith gets the priority because he has posted big numbers at Triple-A this second and could factor into Detroit’s lineup as early as Opening Day 2024, while Jung might need more time to get acclimated at his new position and has yet to reach Triple-A.  Keith and Jung are two of several intriguing position-player prospects coming up the ranks in the Tigers’ farm system, to the point that Henning feels a possible logjam for future playing time gives the Tigers a good problem to have in figuring out who plays where, and ultimately might players might be kept or used as trade chips.
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  1. phantomofdb

    2 years ago

    Based on twins playoff history for 20 years, 2 pitchers is all they need to plan for…

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    • phantomofdb

      2 years ago

      Would be nice if this were the year that changes

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      • stymeedone

        2 years ago

        Tigers seem determined to try every prospect at multiple positions, rather than just let them work to improve at one. It’s great if you view them as utility, but they need to pick a spot and let them develop.

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        • mlb fan

          2 years ago

          Analytics “experts” are enthralled with guys that cannot hit or play, but can do it at multiple positions. Hence, Seattle’s Dylan Moore and the Dodger’s Chris Taylor are exhibit “A” in this argument.

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        • tigerdoc616

          2 years ago

          Several issues though with that thought. First, if their prospects were all-star caliber players both defensively and offensively, they would be at one position and stuck there. None of them are. Second, the top 3 hitting prospects not named Clark are Keith, Jung, and Malloy, and all three have significant defensive issues. So you have to figure out where you can play them in order to minimize the defensive downside to them so you can take advantage of the offensive upside. Only so many places you can stick players who are defensive liabilities. That is a big trouble spot the Tigers have in that too many of their prospects and young MLB players who can hit are not good with the glove. Could put a lot of stress on the pitching staff.

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        • dkhits20

          2 years ago

          Colt Keith seems to be settling in at 2B. I can’t say the same for Malloy at 3B – he’s been horrendous, hence the decision to try Jung at 3B. At this point, Malloy will probably either serve as the Tigers’ primary DH next season or be traded in the offseason. Even if Greene isn’t ready to start the season, I don’t see Malloy in our OF.

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        • Motown is My Town

          2 years ago

          Not Hinchs or Harris’ style as they’d rather have a team of position less players just to make us fans crazy. Get used to this for the next ten years of wasting talent

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        • Motor City Beach Bum

          2 years ago

          I can’t see them trading Malloy before even giving him a shot. He has a clear path to playing time at DH with Miggy retiring, and Carpenter has been decent in the OF (better than Malloy). Keith/Jung at 2b/3b and Eddys Leonard comes up too and kicks Baez to the bench would be great!

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        • Melchez17

          2 years ago

          If the Tigers only had an analytics team that could determine what position these guys would be best at… they actually thought Malloy could play 3B? Many felt Castellanos development was hurt by moving around the diamond… now that’s the preferred plan. What’s next? Malloy at catcher?
          My god, the Tigers are a clown show.

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        • Edp007

          2 years ago

          Tony Phillips enters the chat , everyone Lookin for me but I’m not available 🙂

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        • Skiiggy

          2 years ago

          Analytics require a large sample size, especially for defense. The Tigers seem to be trying to teach their prospects the essentials of being an infielder rather “this is how you play third, you don’t need to know anything else.” If a guy puts up significant defensive value at a position while maintaining significant offense output then they will stick at a position. The problem is none of the tigers offensive prospects have significant defensive skills at one position so they are maximizing their ability to fit on a major league roster by increasing versatility. Malloy, Keith, and Jung are all going to put up negative DRS.

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        • Who else

          2 years ago

          It would be nice to see the tigers sign or trade for a good hitter, And if e-rod walks a good veteran pitcher.

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    • jonbeer

      2 years ago

      Because, yeah, those are really all the same team each year

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    • Cora the Destroya

      2 years ago

      At least they won’t have the Yankees in their path. The amount of series they lost to the Yankees is off the charts.

      AL Central is just flat out bad. No way they deserve home field over better wild card teams

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  2. Old York

    2 years ago

    Should be an easy sweep in the first round for the Twins, given the Astros can’t beat tanking teams like the A’s and swept by the Royals. Even got swept by the Old York Yankees.

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    • JRamHOF

      2 years ago

      If they do, they’ll face the Rangers, who have a spectacularly bad bullpen. Add in the fact that Twins have had a lot of clutch hitting and they may have a path in this postseason, though it might pain me to admit that as a Guardians fan

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      • Cora the Destroya

        2 years ago

        I don’t know. If they took the best teams, Twins would barely get in.

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        • JRamHOF

          2 years ago

          The other teams are obviously better on paper, but anything could happen

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        • Cora the Destroya

          2 years ago

          Anything can happen though I’ve seen the Twins lose and lose every postseason.

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      • stymeedone

        2 years ago

        Have you looked at the Twins bullpen? If they play the Rangers, take the over.

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    • Uhh ok

      2 years ago

      I just want the twins to win 1 playoff game. Anyone assuming they’ll win a series is loco.

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      • Cora the Destroya

        2 years ago

        Even Oakland beat the Twins back in the day and they both couldn’t win squat then.

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  3. FatChance65

    2 years ago

    I believe that Tito’s uniform number with the Red Sox was 47. Whatever it was, it should be hanging on the facade in right field at Fenway.

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    • Rsox

      2 years ago

      It was and hopefully it will be in the near future.

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  4. Skiiggy

    2 years ago

    Tito Francona — one of the all-time greats. He was synonymous with Cleveland baseball for over a decade and gave us, his competitors in the AL Central, more than a fair fight every year. His teams were tough and scrappy and always fought to the bitter end. There were years where my Tigers dominated and then years where Cleveland was untouchable (by the Tigers at least). It was a recipe for a rivalry that lasted a decade. Despite being a foe, you couldn’t help but respect a Francona squad.

    Francona will be remembered for the heart and determination he instilled in his teams and, by me, the fantastic 2016 AL pennant which resulted in a world series for the ages. So long, Terry. You will be missed!

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    • mlb fan

      2 years ago

      I loved watching Tito’s press conferences when he was with the Red Sox. Tito is a post game, press conference Hall Of Famer.

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      • warnbeeb

        2 years ago

        Tito and Jim Leyland were always a hoot in pressers.

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      • JoeBrady

        2 years ago

        mlb fan
        I loved watching Tito’s press conferences when he was with the Red Sox.
        ===========================
        Both him and Joe Torre. It’s a bit unfortunate, but managers in those two cities needed to a huge presence to keep the press in its place.

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    • Samuel

      2 years ago

      Terry Francona has easily been the best manager in MLB for years.

      Shapiro and Antonetti were lost with their statistics trying this and that fad and going in circles (for years they wanted to be the A’s, then they wanted to be the Rays). Francona came in and built a structure under what they were doing as he’d learned to work with stats as the manager of the Red Sox.

      I know a lot about the history of the Cleveland baseball franchise – they were “one of the AL’s eight charter franchises” in 1901. In that time they’ve had some very good managers. None came close to approaching the impact Terry Francona has had on the Cleveland teams. Clevelanders that are teenagers today will be telling their grandchildren about Tito. It’ll be another lifetime before that baseball franchise finds a manager as good as him.

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      • JoeBrady

        2 years ago

        Francona came in and built a structure under what they were doing as he’d learned to work with stats as the manager of the Red Sox.
        ===========================
        Folks don’t realize Tito’s contribution to the statistical world. Before Tito got to the RS, the AL SB/CS was 91/39. Last year is was 82/27. Sacrifices were 38, and they went down to 14. Tito knew the value of an out. IBB went from 37 to 16.

        I think a lot of this was common knowledge is the Sabre world, but Tito was one of the managers that put the theoretical into practice.

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  5. olmtiant

    2 years ago

    TITO….THANKS !!!( from us old Red Sox fans)

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  6. tigerdoc616

    2 years ago

    The only reason Keith is ticketed for 2B is he hurt his shoulder last year and his arm has not returned to normal this year. Seems like the better option would be to fix whatever is ailing his shoulder, surgery, rehab, whatever, than to get a guy who has only played 2B to play 3B. Seen plenty of Jung this year when he was at WM, and he does an adequate job there but hard to see how his arm is going to make it at 3B. I get it, someone is going to have to play 3B out of Keith, Jung or Malloy but all of them have issues.

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  7. JoeBrady

    2 years ago

    That’s the Tito way-it is never, ever about him.

    Kudos to one of the great managers of all time. Too bad the RS did get a chance to honor him.

    But more importantly, whose cap does he wear at the HOF ceremony?

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    • CO Guardening

      2 years ago

      Good question! Personally, I would hope Cleveland. But he did win it twice with Boston. Problematic for sure, he has a special place in both fan bases heart’s. I easily see the argument for both. I say Cleveland since Boston kicked him to the curb and he did way more with way less in Cleveland. That would be assuming that he did a “better job” in Cleveland? What do you think?

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      • olmtiant

        2 years ago

        CO it’s sickening to me that it would even be considered given the fact of 2004 but like Schilling( when and if) one or possibly both don’t go in as a Boston Red Sox.. understandable in their exits from Boston but as a fan oh so wrong… cue Jerry Jones please…

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      • JoeBrady

        2 years ago

        I can only echo what Omni-Tiant said.

        1-It should 100% the Red Sox, but I don’t recall Cleveland accusing Tito of being a fracking junkie.

        2-He developed a lot of kids with Cleveland. The RS had a lot of talent in 2003, and Theo added a lot of small pieces, and Tito was the one that stitched it all together. But Cleveland barely had a team when Tito arrived. They had 68 wins. They averaged 89 wins under Tito.

        It sickens me to say so, but it should be Cleveland.

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    • olmtiant

      2 years ago

      Spot on Joe… Like Fisk.. more time and probably more accomplished in Chicago but THE BIG moment was in Boston…A travesty the question would even have to be entertained…

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      2 years ago

      Joe – The Red Sox will honor him at the 20th anniversary reunion next year, now he has no reason to decline.

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      • JoeBrady

        2 years ago

        I didn’t think of that. I need a ticket for that. I need a ticket badly. I know someone (two people actually) whose brother had a really big position with the RS back then. I need to start demanding, asking, and ultimately, begging for a ticket.

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  8. CO Guardening

    2 years ago

    Irish exit? I thought the phrase was Irish goodbye?

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  9. notagain27

    2 years ago

    How much time was wasted believing Torkelson could play third? You have Leyland and Trammel as advisors, might try listening to these types instead of the fantasy league based analytics department. Good article today in NY Post about how the Yankees have been using analytics like it is the Bible instead of a tool, look where that philosophy has gotten them!

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    • BSHH

      2 years ago

      Torkelson was a 3B almost only on draft night. Any issues he might have at 1B cannot be construed as consequences of some few games at 3B in the lower minors.

      Anyway, I hope Jung’s stint a 3B is for versatility purposes only. Keith has the arm for 3B if healthy, and most reports said Jung was a decent 2B. If both continue to hit, the Tigers should be fine.

      Gruß,
      BSHH

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  10. Rsox

    2 years ago

    If anyone here hasn’t seen the Terry Francona documentary on MLB network it is definitely worth a watch. The Red Sox have not had anything close to the level of success they had under Tito and Cleveland will certainly be a different team without him next year

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    • JoeBrady

      2 years ago

      The Red Sox have not had anything close to the level of success they had under Tito
      ===============================
      It was both Tito and Theo. They started together in 2004, and even the 2018 WSC still had Theo’s fingerprints on it with Betts, Bogaerts, JBJ, Vazquez & Barnes.

      I remember when the FOM use to criticize the two every day as InEpstein & Francoma, I would tell them they were living thru the golden age of Red Sox baseball, but not appreciating it.

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  11. MPrck

    2 years ago

    Detroit’s in good shape that’s for sure. They handed out a lot of experience this year to guys that hadn’t had much. Attendance should beat last year especially with the Miggy retirement. They’ve been fun to watch. They will get better too. Meadows should lead off next year as it’s easy to see the teams fear him. His speed and power are real. If he walks he’s on second quick. His great eye at the plate will really jump up when A.I. umpiring takes hold like in the minors.

    The Tigers are at the forefront of modern baseball. The big money free agents are littered among the failed teams this year. Getting free agents when the team that had them first derived most of the value from them is a model that needs to be changed. Atlanta gambled and won. Get your guys signed up for 8 or 9 years and enjoy the game. Detroit’s in a good zone right now, and has a lot of exciting players coming up.

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    • Motor City Beach Bum

      2 years ago

      I’m excited for next year too but I can’t see Meadows being a leadoff hitter with his penchant for strikeouts.

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      • MPrck

        2 years ago

        Well we get our first look tonight as they had been making sure he would not exceed the at bats to be a rookie next year. He’s going to be great at lead off. He scares teams. This guy is going to be FANtastic in Detroit.

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      • The Saber-toothed Superfife

        2 years ago

        You’re always excited. Rah rah, Go Team!

        2nd place finish?

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      • stymeedone

        2 years ago

        When leading off, how the first out is made doesn’t matter. One less opportunity for a strikeout to be a problem.

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  12. Deckard

    2 years ago

    I really hope Hale gets the job in Cleveland. He should have gotten it in Toronto.

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      2 years ago

      Deck – I hope Cora follows in Tito’s footsteps to Cleveland.

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  13. donh

    2 years ago

    I see the Tiger’s promoting from triple A and maybe sign a pitcher or 2, don’t see them adding offensive unless it’s a trade.

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    • stymeedone

      2 years ago

      I still haven’t figured out the new POBO, HARRIS. It makes too much sense to leave the DH spot open for Malloy, but the free agent market is ugly this year, except for some possible DH candidates. Turner doesn’t K much, supplies some power from the RH side and could sub at 3B, 2B, or 1B. JDM would be a fan favorite as a replacement for Miggy. He Ks more than he used to, but he still hits for power and average. Mitch Garver could play some DH and provide a backup for Rogers at C. (I have no confidence in Kelly) With Miggy retiring, and money to spend, it will be enlightening to see how HARRIS responds to this off season.

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    • For Love of the Game

      2 years ago

      Biggest need is a shortstop. Other positions will be filled, but opportunistic upgrades are always welcome. A veteran starting pitcher to fill E-Rod’s shoes would be welcome. Otherwise, let the young guys play, win the AL Central, lose in the playoffs before a packed Comerica Park, and figures out the next steps in the 2024-2025 offseason.

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  14. The Saber-toothed Superfife

    2 years ago

    How could they hire this Greenie guy over the Superfife?

    I’ve been.with the team for over 20 years before.that dude was even.born….

    AGEISM!
    Institutional ageism!!!!!

    FIGHT AGAINST DISCRIMINATION!!!!!

    SUPPORT THE SUPERFIFE!

    This Sunday, kids under 12 should be receiving World Wildlife Federation plush animal TIGERS!!¡!!

    But no…..Illich and Harris are too busy PRACTICING DISCRIMINATION AGAINST GOOD HARD WORKING AMERICANS!!!!

    The team is being run by SchLEpiSH CL*DS!

    CHRIS ILLICH = CHEATING THE KIDS FOR A FEW MEASLY BUCKS.

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    • The Saber-toothed Superfife

      2 years ago

      And they coulda had a V-8!

      Reply
  15. The Saber-toothed Superfife

    2 years ago

    They’ve banned me…..
    You can’t handle.the truth…..

    Reply
    • The Saber-toothed Superfife

      2 years ago

      Dang, accidently.muted.myself…..

      Reply
  16. Edp007

    2 years ago

    I can clearly remember Tito as an Expo and his baseball card etched in my memory. I hear his name , takes me back to the Expos.

    Reply

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