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Latest On Alek Manoah

By Darragh McDonald | September 13, 2023 at 3:26pm CDT

Blue Jays right-hander Alek Manoah has twice been optioned down to the minors this season, the most recent coming on August 11, over a month ago. However, Manoah hasn’t pitched in an official capacity in that past month, with various reports providing conflicting details about what exactly has been going on in that time.

Back on August 22, not too long after Manoah was optioned, Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet reported that Manoah had stayed in Toronto as opposed to reporting to Triple-A Buffalo, with the team’s blessing. “We’re just trying to work through the right time to get him back rolling again,” manager John Schneider said. “So nothing really to report.” When asked who made that decision, Schneider replied “It’s kind of both of us working through it to figure out what’s just best for him to get back and be productive,” the manager said. “So yeah, a joint thing and just taking it day by day.”

The Jays have a five-man rotation of Kevin Gausman, José Berríos, Chris Bassitt, Yusei Kikuchi and Hyun Jin Ryu. On paper, Manoah could have been the sixth starter and been back up with the club in the event of an injury to those other five. But even in that report last month, Schneider seemed reluctant to firmly state that Manoah would be first in line for such a role.

A few days after that, Nicholson-Smith reported that Manoah had recently undergone a battery of medical tests, but nothing serious was found. He didn’t report to Buffalo right away in case a stint on the injured list was required, but once his health was confirmed, he was expected to report to Buffalo at that time to start building back up to game readiness.

On September 5, Nicholson-Smith relayed that Manoah had been placed on the temporarily inactive list by the Bisons, adding that Manoah was with the club but they wanted to utilize his roster spot as he built back up. But earlier this week, another report from Nicholson-Smith relayed that it was unlikely Manoah would pitch in another game this season, prioritizing rest and recovery for potential long-term benefits.

That report was addressed by Ben Wagner, radio play-by-play broadcaster of the Blue Jays and formerly with the Bisons. He appeared on the Blair and Barker show on Sportsnet this week, as relayed by Andrew Stoeten of The Batflip. “It’s my understanding that Alek Manoah hasn’t even pitched, even in a side session or a bullpen, since he’s been optioned back,” Wagner said. “And there was a lot going on between leadership of the Toronto Blue Jays, the people around Alek Manoah, about the decision to even option him back, and where he would go when he was optioned back.”

There has been no official statement on the matter from Manoah or his representatives, nor from the Jays. Schneider addressed the issue today on MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM. “At the current time, he feels like he’s not ready to compete,” Schneider said. “But we’ve been working through every decision with him together as a group and respecting his requests along the way.”

Given the conflicting nature of these reports, it’s difficult to draw meaningful conclusions. If it’s true that Manoah and his reps aren’t happy about the demotions, it’s possible there’s a financial element at play. He came into this year with his service time at one year and 130 days, meaning he would have finished this season at 2.130 if he had been in the big leagues the whole time. Looking at recent Super Two cutoffs, Manoah would have had a decent chance at getting Super Two status and getting to go through arbitration four times instead of the standard three, thus greatly increasing his earning power.

Having been optioned multiple times this year, that will no longer be the case, but it would be hard to make the argument that the Jays were motivated by manipulating his service time in order to achieve that outcome. Manoah was allowed to make 19 starts this year and posted an earned run average of 5.87. His 19% strikeout rate, 14.2% walk rate and 37.7% ground ball rate are all well below league averages. Among pitchers with at least 80 innings pitched this year, Manoah’s ERA is worse than all but 11 of them. Adam Wainwright is the only hurler with a worse strikeout-to-walk ratio.

Ryu began the season on the injured list, recovering from last year’s Tommy John surgery. As he neared his return and Manoah’s poor performance continued, Manoah was clearly the worst option of the group that the club had on hand. Each of Gausman, Berríos, Bassitt, Kikuchi and Ryu currently have an ERA of 3.83 or lower. With the Jays firmly in the playoff race, currently tied for the last Wild Card spot in the American League, optioning Manoah was perfectly defensible in terms of just putting the best team on the field in the name of competition.

Regardless of the feelings about how things have played out, it’s a less than ideal situation for the club, as they have been operating without an obvious sixth starter for the past month. Their five starters have stayed healthy all year apart from Ryu’s rehab time earlier in the season and it hasn’t been an issue, though that could have easily played out another way.

There’s also the long-term to consider, as Manoah is still under club control for another four seasons beyond this one. Ryu is an impending free agent but the other four starters are all under contract for next season. Pencilling Manoah into the fifth spot would have been a nice plan for the club but they may have less confidence about that now, strictly due to his performance but also perhaps due to the other factors. Keegan Matheson of MLB.com appeared on TSN OverDrive 1050 today, saying that “the relationship does not appear to be in a good place right now,” before highlighting that the Jays might have to think about adding starting pitching in the offseason if they don’t think they can rely on Manoah as their fifth starter next year.

Perhaps more information will come to light over time, but there’s a lot of uncertainty around the situation for now. Regardless of how it plays out going forward, it has been a shocking season for Manoah that no one could have predicted. He posted a 2.24 ERA in his 31 starts last year, finishing third in American League Cy Young voting behind Justin Verlander and Dylan Cease. But his performance has dipped to the point that he was one of the least effective pitchers in baseball this year and is now perhaps one of the least predictable players going forward.

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61 Comments

  1. Ham Fighter

    2 years ago

    The lastest news is he sucks

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    • iverbure

      2 years ago

      He spends and awful lot of time at the casino. Probably even more now that woodbine built that new building. He doesn’t have to go all the way to Pickering now.

      Reply
    • coldbeer

      2 years ago

      He has talent. He just doesn’t want to work hard.

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  2. citizen

    2 years ago

    say it isnt manoaha.

    2
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    • Dumpster Divin Theo

      2 years ago

      Sung by the Rock to a Lin Manuel island ditty

      Reply
  3. Ignorant Son-of-a-b

    2 years ago

    Doesn’t seem to be anything wrong with him physically…I think the problems are between the ears & around the waist. (And possibly some issues with the pitch clock.)

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    • Dumpster Divin Theo

      2 years ago

      Or he’s just not that good consistently. Small sample size

      Reply
  4. just_breathe

    2 years ago

    His original demotion was not to AAA. Why did they send him to rookie ball?

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    • KamKid

      2 years ago

      That’s where the best facilities and resources are. I wouldn’t be surprised to see these types of options become more common. Especially in cases where managing workload is part of the equation.

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    • coldbeer

      2 years ago

      Because it was summer Florida weather and they wanted to sweat some pounds off

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      • Dumpster Divin Theo

        2 years ago

        Because….Buffalo

        Reply
  5. James Midway

    2 years ago

    He ended Taylor Ward’s season with his lack of being able to pitch.

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    • M.C.Homer

      2 years ago

      JM,
      Taylor Ward forgives him.
      I don’t.
      Taylor has a tough road ahead

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      • M.C.Homer

        2 years ago

        He needs to get himself straight before he kills someone.
        Kudos to the Jays, I don’t think they could be held responsible if he killed someone.
        But they are certainly doing the right thing, unlike you ALEK

        Reply
  6. Brick House Coffee Tables Inc

    2 years ago

    He seems poised to “lead” the White Sox rotation after the Blue Jays insist on including him in a Cease trade along with a bunch of toolsy non-prospects who will flame out at AA.

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    • Dumpster Divin Theo

      2 years ago

      Uh- nope. Dream on Steve Tyler. And get well- unless you’re channeling some Captain Jack thing

      Reply
  7. For Love of the Game

    2 years ago

    Manoah’s apparent anger with Jays management is similar to the Tigers’ experience with Spencer Turnbull. They might be upset at getting sent down, but the numbers were clearly not there even after considerable opportunity. Blame the man in the mirror. But Manoah is about five years younger than Turnbull so he at least has youth on his side.

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    • Motor City Beach Bum

      2 years ago

      Straight up trade, Manoah for Turnbull 😉

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      • Dumpster Divin Theo

        2 years ago

        Under the cover of darkness- under a bridge, at a rest stop near Hamilton

        Reply
  8. RobM

    2 years ago

    Prima donna.

    He has a mouth as big as his gut. Seems last year was a bit of a fluke and he lacks the talent to back up the mouth.

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    • solaris602

      2 years ago

      I actually read about this on X a couple days ago. Don’t remember who reported it, but he said Manoah has refused to report to Buffalo. Jays can’t afford to keep him on the roster if he isn’t willing to lose weight or work on his mechanics, so I think what ultimately happens here is he’ll be non-tendered this winter if TOR can’t find a trade partner.

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      • Hemlock

        2 years ago

        No way they non-tender him. Too valuable. We’ve seen what he can do at his best. Hire a sports psychologist and go from there. All attempts would be made to fix him first. I think so at least.

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        • jimmertee

          2 years ago

          Hem, exactly what needs to be done with both a Psychologist and dietician. The BlueJays aren’t winning anything in 2023 anyway, might as well start right now.

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      • outinleftfield

        2 years ago

        He is on the inactive list so they don’t have to do anything because they are not paying him.

        1
        Reply
    • CravenMoorehead

      2 years ago

      Gerrit Cole lives in his head rent free

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      • coldbeer

        2 years ago

        Sounds like it’s a crowded place

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        Reply
  9. nosake

    2 years ago

    Nothing to be said for Manoah. Next.

    3
    Reply
  10. ChangedName

    2 years ago

    The only sport where someone who is one of the best at their position one year can be one of the worst the next. Pretty nuts.

    5
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    • Ham Fighter

      2 years ago

      He’s a lazy hothead who only cares about himself destined to fail in the long run

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      Reply
    • AHH-Rox

      2 years ago

      Russel Wilson says hi.

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      Reply
    • wagner13

      2 years ago

      Golf, tennis, and football beg to differ. I would argue basketball is really the lone exception here

      Reply
  11. alwaysgo4two

    2 years ago

    Anthony Recker is looking more astute as this goes on.

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  12. its_happening

    2 years ago

    Blue Jays can salvage this if they are motivated to do so. Might not get Manoah back on-track but this can be salvaged.

    The offseason, Manoah gets in the best shape of his life, has intense therapy to deal with whatever is going on internally, and get off social media for an extended period. Lay low while you get yourself right.

    It does not make sense to trade Alec while his value plummets. He’s a controllable, affordable 5th starter with upside. Use that. And, Jays could set an example for other players as a place where players are taken care of.

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    • foppert1

      2 years ago

      Where was that place Rocky went to in Russia ?

      2
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      • its_happening

        2 years ago

        A place where Paulie couldn’t watch the Rose Bowl.

        2
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        • CravenMoorehead

          2 years ago

          “Who am I? I’m…..THE UNSILENT MAJORITY BIG MOUTH!”

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  13. bmcferren

    2 years ago

    Monoah and Vld Jr and Starling Marte´s salary to the Pirates – – Pete Alonso and Roansy Contreras to the Blue Jays – – grade B Pirate prospects to the Mets

    1
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    • mlb fan

      2 years ago

      There seems to be a dial tone on your main line, but Brian Cashman is on line 2.

      1
      Reply
  14. Ronk325

    2 years ago

    This slob went out of his way to trash talk Gerrit Cole, a guy who’s about to win a Cy Young, and the karma has been incredible. Manoah’s mouth is his own worst enemy

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    • mlb fan

      2 years ago

      In more positive news, with the off-season approaching and Manoah most likely not in it, the stock price of all-you-can-eat buffets is surging. “Country Buffet” alone is up +12 points this week.

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      • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

        2 years ago

        Everyone knows Manoah is a Golden Corral kinda guy…along with his homeboys Vladdy & Kirk. Skipper John “Mall Santa” Schneider wants to get in on the action but the guys are so mean to him; playing ‘keep away’ with the hot buttered buns

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  15. 30 Parks

    2 years ago

    Ricky Romero all over again.

    1
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    • zippys

      2 years ago

      Nah Ricky ran himself into the ground while pitching injured, not eating donuts and refusing to pitch

      5
      Reply
  16. maxorange33

    2 years ago

    Regardless of the reason, Ham Fighter had it right…he sucks!

    1
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  17. User 1855579867

    2 years ago

    But is his UCL intact?2

    Reply
  18. D2323

    2 years ago

    Recker stays winning.

    2
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    • Still in talks

      2 years ago

      Recker had 500 at bats over the course of 7 years. He ain’t winning anything.

      Reply
  19. Kapler's Coconut Oil

    2 years ago

    Depth is king, especially with pitching, so I’m not sure if they’d want to trade him. However, if they want to secure a fifth/sixth starter at a decent price, then I’d target the Giants.

    They have decent pitching coming up the pipeline, but a bevy of average to below average starters in their bullpen taking of roster space. Stripling should be the main target since he’s had success in Toronto before, but I’m sure Wood or Manaea could be included and used in the bullpen until there’s an injury. Of course it would be expected that their salaries would be heavily paid down by SF since they likely value the roster spot more than the financial relief.

    I don’t wanna speak to whether Manoah would be moved in the trade since it’s anyone’s guess on how the Jays or other teams gauge his value.

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  20. FromNorthYorktoFernwood

    2 years ago

    He has ALOT of fried chicken commercials in Canada

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  21. Yankeesforever

    2 years ago

    what happens when you concentrate more about what somebody else is doing instead of what you are doing,
    Cole is about to win the CY Young, Manoah is about to be run out baseball.

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  22. DonOsbourne

    2 years ago

    The term “people around Manoah” is interesting. Makes me think he’s at a point he can’t speak for himself. Or he can’t be allowed to speak for himself. Doesn’t look good.

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  23. cmessick2080

    2 years ago

    I think that he has the attitude that he deserves to be in the majors and doesn’t want to lower himself to pitching in the minors.

    2
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    • Tnvolsluck

      2 years ago

      This couldn’t be more true. He is not well liked by his teammates for this exact reason(yes I know firsthand and no I won’t throw anyone under the bus). He has accomplished more than most will ever but he walks around like he is already in the hall of fame.
      From a baseball perspective, I wish him nothing but the best and a fast return bc we are all more entertained with a healthy Alex

      Reply
  24. Old York

    2 years ago

    Guy can’t pitch anymore. Dump him and move on.

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  25. Shady1771

    2 years ago

    Jays training staff are as much to blame as Manoah is as they allowed him to be heavy; same said for Kirk. Body language speaks volumes for me and watching him in the dugout when pulled and Schneider having to put his arm around him like he is a little league pitcher says it all for me. I think the exposé Sportsnet did on him and his family upbringing was the start of his demise. He’s a big immature young man who needs to be treated like a child. Needs to grow up and start acting like someone who is mature and fit enough, not only physically but mentally as MLB players are expected to be. If he doesn’t smarten up he is literally going to pee away his once in a lifetime opportunity that so many others are bypassed for one reason or another.

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  26. outinleftfield

    2 years ago

    Manoah was placed on the inactive list. That means he was not injured. It also means he is not getting paid.

    He was so good when first called up. You have to hope everything is ok in this kids head.

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  27. Yanks2

    2 years ago

    Matt Harvey 2.0, minus the drugs

    2
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    • Dumpster Divin Theo

      2 years ago

      I’m Batman

      Reply
  28. MotownWings

    2 years ago

    He needs to lose 50lbs of horse manoah

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  29. bighiggy

    2 years ago

    Cards and Jay’s have been hooking up on alot of trades recently, I’m sure there’s a deal(obviously in the off season) to be made where cards get manoah and blue Jay’s get something they need.

    Reply
  30. GRE

    2 years ago

    Time to GET RID of SHAPIRO and ATKINS !! They are CLOWNS !!!! Take The Analytics Department with them !!!

    Show Them the DOOR ROGERS !!!!!

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