5:52PM: Cohen told Tim Britton and other reporters that Stearns made the decision to fire Showalter. “When you bring in a president of baseball ops, they’re entitled to bring in their own people….It became clear [Stearns] wanted to go in a different direction. That was his right, and I gave him that right,” Cohen said.
1:35PM: Buck Showalter told reporters this afternoon (including Anthony DiComo of MLB.com) that he will not return to the Mets as manager in 2024. Per Mike Puma of the New York Post, Showalter was told he would be fired if he did not step down as manager. The Mets released a statement on the matter, confirming that Showalter would not return.
“We are heading in a new direction, with a new president of baseball operations and we let Buck know we’ll be parting ways. We will begin the search for a new manager immediately,” owner Steve Cohen said in the statement. “Buck is a generational manager, and we value what he has done for our team… The commitment and heart that Buck brings to the game will be felt by our organization for years to come. We wish Buck all the best in the next chapter of his career.”
The statement also noted that Cohen will be made available to the media tomorrow afternoon to address Showalter’s departure and announce the club’s new president of baseball operations. The club has reportedly agreed to terms with former Brewers president of baseball operations David Stearns to take over baseball operations in Queens earlier this month. GM Billy Eppler also commented in the statement, while Showalter spoke to reporters before today’s game against the Phillies.
“I was honored to get a chance to manage a second New York team,” Showalter said (as relayed by DiComo), “I’m proud of what the Mets did. We won close to 180 games in two years. Especially last year, as much fun as I’ve ever had in the game. It reminded me of why I always loved this kind of work.” Showalter added (per Tim Britton of The Athletic) that he “wishes things could have gone better this season because Mets fans deserve that” and that he “still loves the city and the players” despite this not being the ending to his tenure as Mets manager that he hoped for.
Showalter’s first managerial gig was with the Yankees back in 1992. Since then, he’s spent a combined 22 years at the helm of a big league club, with stints as manager of the Diamondbacks, Rangers, and Orioles before joining the Mets ahead of the 2022 season. Showalter has won Manager of the Year four times in his career: in 1994 with the Yankees, 2004 with the Rangers, 2014 with the Orioles, and most recently in 2022 with the Mets. In 3,392 career games managed, Showalter has a record of 1726-1664, with a winning percentage of .509.
Though Showalter won 101 games with the Mets en route to his aforementioned fourth Manager of the Year award last year, this season’s club fell well below the lofty performance of the 2022 team despite the addition of future Hall of Famer Justin Verlander. The club’s struggles led the front office to deal away Verlander, fellow Hall of Fame-bound ace Max Scherzer and closer David Robertson prior to the trade deadline on August 1, with the Mets being mathematically eliminated from postseason contention six weeks later. With the Giants having fired manager Gabe Kapler earlier this week and Cleveland’s Terry Francona widely understood to be retiring following the 2023 campaign, Showalter’s departure in New York makes three managerial vacancies to be filled this offseason.
Maybe the Yankees?
He’s always welcomed back as an analyst in the YES booth.
Shallow Hal is too busy sipping mint juleps on his yacht to worry about changing managers.
Who says Boone is gone?
He’s not. As long as he says “how high?” every time Cashman says “jump,” he’s fine.
My point exactly, it was rhetorical
Found the best username on the website
Why? Could he be more effective than Boone using Fishman’s printouts and binders?
I think he’d rather go back to his part time gigs as an analyst with MLB Network and YES.
Buck would never agree to just be a puppet of the front office. The Yanks only hire puppets for managers now. The Yanks’ days of having a true game manager like Torre and Girardi are long gone so long as Cashman is in charge.
Cashman has had 3 managers in his tenure. 2 of them are the guys who you said “are long gone”
Showalter was one of the first managers other than LaRussa to embrace analytics. He used to bring a pile of notebooks into the dugout in Baltimore.
Tony Montana
Mets fans should appreciate the stability Buck brought to a franchise that was cycling thru Managers and General Managers faster than people upgrade their Cell Phones.
I learned he had a really dry sense of humor, and more knowledge about the game than most of these guys bring to the table.
Nothing wrong with mixing old school with new information.
I hope he comes back to the TV screen and help us all learn some more about how and why things are done on the field.
Girardi ??????????????????
This greatly improves the chance that Stearns could already have a deal in place to hire Craig Counsell as the next manager of the Mets. They will put on a dog and pony show by interviewing a few candidates over the next couple of weeks, but they’ll have to wait until Milwaukee is eliminated from the playoffs and his ‘lame-duck’ contract expires before officially ‘interviewing’ and hiring him with a BIG raise in salary.
If this indeed happens, you have to wonder if Milwaukee will file tampering charges against the Mets. It wouldn’t be Steve Cohen’s Mets without some sort of new executive hiring scandal, LOL.
In all honesty; Counsell would be an excellent choice. He has a great managerial record and a preexisting relationship with Stearns. By all accounts, there is a lot of respect and admiration between each other so they could start building their next winning team as soon as the pen hits the paper.
I already feel like the Mets made a slam dunk hire in Stearns. If he brings Counsell with him, I think the Mets win at least one title during their tenure.
While this may happen there’s a few factors people forget,
1. Counsell may just retire, He has 2 sons that play collegiate ball in the Midwest so managing a New York team wouldn’t make sense when he previously expressed desire to enjoy time with his boys.
2. The Brewers were his favorite team growing up, he was raised in Wisconsin and his favorite team growing up was the Brewers.
Regarding your second point….what was his favorite team growing up?
The Brewers, his dad had a job in the front office and he grew up in Wisconsin
So you’re saying his favorite team growing up was the Brewers?
Sorry I was very tired when I wrote that, I apologize
Was worth mentioning twice
This is what I was anticipating would happen. It allows Stearns to bring in Craig Counsell as the manager.
Why the heck would he want to manage the Mets? He is an icon for the Brewers and a great manager. Would he even want to deal with the NY fans? Sorry if that is offensive but it is true.
Because he’ll have the same boss as he had in Milwaukee and an owner this time who isn’t squeezing every nickel until Jefferson howls.
High risk high reward situation. Not for everybody.
Counsell was manager of the brewers before Sterns came in. Arnold was there the entire time Sterns was there as well who is the GM currently
How cute. You think Arnold actually made decisions.
Let’s be honest, New York is a tough place for people who didn’t grow up in the northeast. Why would a Wisconsin native want to jump into that fire — especially with a currently flawed team whose top prospects are at minimum a half-season away?
“Why would a Wisconsin native want to jump into that fire — especially with a currently flawed team whose top prospects are at minimum a half-season away?”
Because he will get to work with a roster that will inevitably have a higher talent floor sooner than later and Milwaukee will be rebuilding either by next deadline or after 2024. One of Burnes/Woodruff will go this offseason and the other will go at the deadline or not be brought back for 2025.
“Let’s be honest, New York is a tough place for people who didn’t grow up in the northeast…especially with a currently flawed team…”
Are you talking about working in the extremely public position of a pro sports manager in New York, or about anyone from outside the northeast being in New York for…any reason?
If it’s the former, sure, the NYC sports media and fan bases add a level of pressure—though most “baseball people” (players, coaches, etc) are not from the northeast, so surely some of them cope with it.
If it’s the latter…it’s funny that anyone still thinks this.
To manage a team that can actually spend money and has a shot at the WS instead of just making the playoffs?
The Brewers have a legit shot at a World Series. Their rotation and bullpen are stacked.
The Mets are a top 5 franchise, really Milwaukee middle of the road at best. Look at payroll..
Kinda a no brainer…way bigger stage!
Counsell will come to manage the Mets:
If he believes that the Mets already have good core talent to build upon and create an enthusiastic winning culture.,
If he really does have a good working relationship with David Stearns,
If Steve Cohen does tell him he will supplement the core with the best free agents without worrying about the bottom line,
AND if Cohen pays him enough to make the move. It could be Counsell’s big payday.
Aaron Rodgers was the toast of the town and left Wisconsin behind for the opportunity to bring a longing fan-base a long awaited opportunity for a Championship. Rodgers is a different personality than Counsell, but New York was embracing him, and they will embrace Counsell as well.
As the Mets fans did with Davey Johnson.
Should be an interesting off-season for
Mets fans.
If it is a no-brainer why is Milwaukee still playing and neither team from New York is in the post-season.
Opportunities and stress are what you choose to make of them. More stress on a janitor and security guard who struggles working two jobs as a single parent to feed his or her three kids than on some preppy kid getting millions to play HR for a sports club
A pile of cash, that’s why. The Mets could and should be using Cohen’s money to hire all the best baseball minds. That will be a lot less costly than their ridiculous payroll, and certainly yield better results.
When will you Mets fans realize that not everyone would want to be a part of the Mets franchise…no matter how much money they offer?
Look at this for Counsell. He is in a town where he is highly respected and loved. He has a great deal of job security and is building his long legacy there. He’s also not a ‘big city’ sort.
With the Mets, he goes outside of his possible comfort zone. He enters a franchise with a long history of ineptitude…apparently no matter who the owner is. And he goes to a place where the fan base will turn on him in a second if the team isn’t living up to their often irresponsible, ridiculously (borderline delusional) expectations every single year. He’ll be fired the very second the Mets do the usual headline grabbing moves instead of the correct moves, then play to their actual talent, well below the aforementioned poorly thought out expectations by Mets fans and the NY media. And then both the fan base and NY media will proceed with making Counsell out to be incompetent or incapable of handling the pressure of their city instead of admitting that their expectations were irresponsibly wrong in the first place.
Why would Counsell throw his managerial career in a nice situation for him in Milwaukee for all the craziness he’ll encounter in NY?
Heck, think in the concept of jobs in general. Why would someone leave a place they’re happy working in for the unknown of a company where they know there is high turnover and bashing of employees after they are terminated? Again, why would anyone do that? That’s what you guys are thinking Counsell will do.
And before any Mets fan tries to make this into they think they know more about Counsell than a Marlins fan or this is about hate from me, note that Counsell was with the Marlins for a few years. We got a good chance to see what type of personality and character he has. He doesn’t seem like the type that would sacrifice his comfort and security in Milwaukee for the risks that come with going to NY, and to the Mets franchise of all franchises. But feel free to tell me how you Mets fans know more about Counsell than Marlins D-Backs and Brewers fans who will say the same thing about Counsell’s personality.
Hey, can I get the Cliff’s Notes version of this post?
I was under the impression that Counsell already said this was his last season in Milwaukee as the manager.
@rememberthecoop: “Hey, can I get the Cliff’s Notes version of this post?”
Here ya go: “I’m a bitter doofus because my favorite team, the Marlins, have been horrible for two decades straight. So I obsess over the Mets because the Marlins have no real rivalries due to how consistently awful they have been”.
@rct
What the translation of a bitter doofus that only pops in when he thinks its safe, who roots for a team that hasn’t won a championship in 37 years…and counting…who always (regardless of owner) finds a way to remind everyone how incompetent they are at handling things?
I wonder when Willie Randolph and Buck Showalter have a talk, what will they say about the professionalism of the NY Mets organization – both under the Wilpons and now under Cohen.
Because he knows the Mets will spend money and he loves working for Stearns. The two of them are close friends. Think about jobs you’ve had that were enjoyable. You probably liked your manager.
I don’t think so. A lot of retirement speculation surrounding Craig is because he wants to spend more time with his family in Wisconsin. I think he’s either managing the Brewers or stepping down for next season
Good. Never should have been hired in the first place.
Why not, and what’s it to you?
Slider is a known troll.
People who live in White Castle shouldn’t get stoned
And here comes the always expected Mets fans bashing the manager that they called the savior or genius just 2 years ago.
No. Steve Cohen has made it clear that it was Stearns’ call and not a reflection of any dissatisfaction with Buck.
@Blue Baron
I wasn’t talking about Steve Cohen. I’m talking about your fellow Mets fans who have now come on here to bash Buck…after your fan base saw him as a savior or genius just 2 years ago.
“I’m talking about your fellow Mets fans”
You mean the straw men you routinely fabricate to make your obsessive points? Most Mets fans are grateful for last year and have respect for Buck. This year didn’t go as planned and there’s a new guy (Stearns) in town. So it goes. All the best to Buck, he’s a great one.
You should stop obsessing over the Mets and focus on your Marlins, who are actually good for a change. They’re going to be in the postseason for the first time in 20 years (non-COVID) and you’re here arguing about the Mets. Priorities, my man!
Rct called it correctly. Marlins Fan Base should be focused on this team in the playoffs. They played well down the stretch, and should be a tough opponent for the Phillies.
But Marlins, Why don’t you start at the top and read before you generalize about Mets fans.
I and others offered gratitude for Buck. Someone needed to get respect back for a wildly out-of-control organization. He was the right man at the right time, just as Frank Robinson was for the mlb run Montreal Expos and Dusty Baker was for the scandal ridden Houston Astros.
Stearns and every new President should be able to sign off and approve his own staff going downward, especially his GM and Manager, but also his farm director, his scouting director, etc.
No knock against Buck. Just a change.
Craig Counsell was a Notre Dame Fighting Irish ballplayer with a man’s character before he ever signed his first pro contract.
He played for Pat Murphy, his Milwaukee bench coach and a Syracuse native when he was there at ND. Counsell and Murphy do have a close relationship.
Murphy could possibly come back east with Craig, or Craig would recommend he be his replacement in Milwaukee. They both know and have worked with Matt Arnold, so that may not be out of the question. Counsell would probably be happy about his friend getting the real big league job ( he was interim Padres Manager when They fired Bud Black. )
So Counsell to the Mets may be a win-win for two families.
I wish Milwaukee and Counsell the best against the Diamondbacks. The dynamics would certainly change if the Brewers get to the World Series, for how could Milwaukee let their hero leave. That would be against all odds.
In addition to my earlier points about Counsell, it’s important that he and Stearns have a close relationship, which I suspect is why Counsell declined to negotiate an extension in Milwaukee, to keep open the possibility of coming to the Mets with Stearns.
That’s why my money is on Counsell.
@rct
Do you not see your fellow Mets fans bashing Buck on here? Or are you selectively blind?
@EasternLeagueVeteran
And look at your fellow Mets fans that are on here bashing Buck.
And where are your fellow Marlins fans?
I think they were bashing Kim Ng last year, but you wouldn’t know it because you are only on the Mets pages.
Amazing what winning a but can do for your attitude.
Actually, I was one of the people bashing her so I do know what my fan base was doing and is currently doing.
Poor try. Must be your newly found fandom for the Mets that started when they started spending half a billion dollars. Otherwise, you’d know about the regulars on this website.
@MarlinsFanBase: Why do you expect me to speak for anyone but myself?
@MarlinsFanBase: Same question I asked for myself: Why do you expect rct to answer or speak for anyone but himself?
Different people supporting the same team doesn’t mean they know each other, just as Counsell having played for a team you support doesn’t mean you know him.
@Blue Baron
And my thing is that I wasn’t commenting on all of you. I specifically was pointing out the ones that do and have done on this article that I pointed out.
Facts are facts. Some of you Mets fans can point out that all of you aren’t the same, but then don’t attack the people that call their behavior out. Unless you all want to police your own fan base about those Mets fans that live up to the stereotype that makes all of you look bad. But I’m pretty sure that you all won’t do that because, while you all may get annoyed when they make you all look bad, you all still love when they come up with some delusional concept that matches your fan base’s wishful thinking.
Heck, just the fact that you all keep a nepotism-connect homer like Anthony DiComo employed (so many years after a real journalist like Marty Noble) shows that you guys will never police your fan base about many of them living up to the Mets/Jets/Knicks fan stereotype that get’s mocked, taunted and ridiculed all the time.
I don’t keep DiComo or anyone employed as I don’t run mlb.com or the Mets. And how can anybody “police” anyone else that might be a fan of the same team?
WTF are you even talking about?
If he talked to Counsel, wouldn’t that be secret due to attorney-client privilege?
I really hope Buck gets to get skipper a WS champ in his career. I get he’s old school and isn’t Mr Sabermetrics, but so appreciate all he did for the Orioles a miss his interview quotes.
This is the end of the line for Buck as a manager. He had a good managerial career, that has now come to a close.
doubtful.
dusty probably retires and Astros new manager is Buck Showalter.
My gut impression is, NO WAY Astros bring in Buck Showalter
@baseballhistory: Unless, of course, it isn’t.
You have no way to say that with any credibility.
Could this be the opening to bring Counsell to the Mets?
@rolafaive Honestly I don’t see Counsel coming here. He doesn’t seem like a NY type guy. He looks comfortable managing small market teams
What exactly is a NY type guy?
Sarcasm is the first language.
NY type guy is someone with an overflated ego who thinks everything they think and say is tops just because they are from a big city.
@Blue Baron Some people just can’t handle the NY media. Everything you do in NY is put in a microscope for the whole east coast to see. Every single wrong move gets critisized to oblivion. Nobody cares about say the Royals manager taking out their best starter after 5 innings, the manager is not going to hear anything about that. Do that in NY and lose the game, its going to be the backpage of every paper
The Mets and maybe the Yankees have never had a guy from New York as manager, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
Bobby Valentine was probably the closest thing, but he’s from Connecticut.
But your comment sounds more like ignorant anti-New York bias than anything else.
You’re forgetting Joe Torre.
The papers don’t matter as much since they’re online.
The issue is dealing with two aggressive 24./7 sports talk radio stations.
Good point! One of the five guys to manage both the Yankees and Mets.
Bobby Valentine lol
Valentine is from Connecticut.
…and?
Not from New York as Roguesaw2 asserted.
Willy Randolph
Yes! But he doesn’t have an overinflated ego.
He did invent the wrap, so…
Huh? So what?
You’re talking Baby Boomer talk. To anyone under 50, Backpage is a website that got shut down by the US Government.
Forgettaboutit! Ahahaha!
Newspapers are what your grandfather read. Talk radio is what your father listened to — and one of those stations is giving up an FM lease next summer.
Stop living in the past!
Michael Kay has always impressed me as a typical brash New Yorker.
Joe Girardi seems like an East Coast guy if not a New Yorker. I would say someone from NY has kind of seen it all, is not overly impressed by bells & whistles, and calls things how he sees them. Non-plussed. That’s kind of my impression from being from Washington State lol.
Who is the Royals manager?
Matt Quartero. May have spelled that wrong. Former Tampa Bay bench coach I think.
Torre was from Brooklyn. Other than him, no Yankees managers in the last 40 years were from NY.
I was being facetious. Should have put a /s to indicate it was sarcasm. But thanks. I bet many people don’t know because its kind of an invisible position.
@ChuckyNJ: People of all ages know about Backpage, the Internet, and streaming, Chucko Wucko.
Stop living like a legend in your own mind.
But you do have a big vocabulary for someone from New Jersey!
Joe Torre. Ever heard of him? He managed both the Mets and Yankees. From NYC. Brooklyn I believe.
Of course. I interviewed him once for a story I wrote on that very subject.
I’ve got the stereotype as passionate, vocal and quick to anger.
I will agree with the first two but I think the last one is more like “they don’t suffer fools gladly.” If they think you’re a moron and just talking out of your a$$ , they will let you know lol.
@foppert1: Sure, as if 8-10 million people are all alike.
Has it occurred to you that you might be an ignorant bigot?
Ha ha. Case in point.
Stereotype. I was describing what I think the stereotype is. I’m well aware 8-10m are not all alike.
Ignorant bigot. For describing a stereotype ?
I should have added “tightly wound”.
@Blue Baron
Counsell has a personality that wouldn’t make a place like NY attractive to him, especially when you consider his comfort and job security in Milwaukee. To put it short from my post above, Counsell isn’t the personality type that would sacrifice a good stable job for the risks of going to the Mets.
Ha ha. Since I don’t you, I said “might be.”
Please read completely.
2.1 million people read a NYC backpage daily. More than just grandpa.
I read the “might be”.
Just answer the question. How does describing a New York stereotype infer that I “might be” an ignorant bigot ?
I’ll accept the ignorant. Do you know what a bigot is ?
Did you know what a stereotype was before you threw out bigot ?
Of course. As an experienced writer and editor, I have a reasonably broad vocabulary.
Got to be an intelligence issue then
Joe Girardi is a midwestern guy from Chicago.
You are correct. Your intellect obviously falls short.
@Ignorant: Girardi is a midwestern guy from Chicago.
Maybe. I’m no Mensa graduate.
How about you help me out and answer my question ? Ive asked a few times now. Not enough courage for that ? Ego standing in the way ?
@foppert1: No ego, whatever you mean by that. I have answered as I saw fit.
Any preconceived notions you may have are on you.
@rolafaive: Cohen just said on TV that he is empowering Stearns to bring in his own people, so my money is on Counsell.
@Blue Baron
Why are you ignoring the thing that me and other posters have pointed out about Counsell not really being the type of guy that would go to NY…especially with a secure and cushy job he already has in Milwaukee?
I won’t say it’s 100% sure, but for you to put your money on Counsell coming is just ignoring or showing you’re absolutely unaware of anything related to Counsell other than his managerial record. You’ll hear pretty much the same of Marlins, D-Backs and Brewers fans…that Counsell’s personality and character doesn’t make him the type of guy that would leave a secure job in a slower paced environment for a risky one in a place like NY.
Because none of you know him well enough to say that with any degree of credibility.
And his contract is up when the Brewers finish with postseason play, so he wouldn’t actually be leaving a job.
Plus money, of which the Mets can offer him more than any other organization, talks and BS walks.
@Blue Baron
Yes, none of us know with absolute certainty, but clearly we know him better than you do. He played for my team. We got a good feel for him when he played for us…and did local events. He’s not a big city sort of guy.
But I’m sure you’ll find a way to say that you know as much about him without ever encountering him like fans in all the cities he played or coached in.
As for money talks, again, you seem to not be aware that not everyone is about that as much as you think. Yes, he’s in a big money industry, but there are many guys that once they have financial wealth, they don’t feel the need to chase the biggest paycheck. Counsell is not poor in his Milwaukee gig. He already has more money than he will be able to spend in his entire life.
Miami is not a big City? Ugh, 6.4 M people in metropolitan Miami makes it 9th largest in the US.
Marlins, you spew so many unsubstantiated facts it is amazing.
Just go root for the Marlins in these playoffs already. Your posts ate like the daily joke from the laugh factory.
@marlinsFanBase: history your franchise should be proud of, eh?
I don’t know any more about him than you do, but you certainly don’t know him personally just because he played for the Marlins 15 or so years ago.
@MarlinsFanBase. Read Mendoza Line 215 post below about the Marlins franchise.
If don’t remember the incident he mentions, maybe you were too young.
At least Xavier Edwards is getting his look. He deserved it.
Focus on your team. Or take your clonapid.
@EasternLeagueVeteran
I don’t recall saying that Miami is not a big city. I recall saying that Counsell played for us so we got to know a bit about the guy when he was playing here, and got to know that he’s not really a big city guy. What’s your point? Is it that he, as a player that had no choice but to play for the team who traded for him in his rookie season makes him a big city personality? If so, I fail to see how that is logical. Hmmm…a guy played for the team that traded for him when he was a rookie and had no way to not play for the team being compared to when he became a guy who established himself as a respected baseball guy as a player and successful manager to the point that he can pick and choose where he wants to work. Let me simplify this comparison….guy that was a rookie who had to play for the the team that acquired him, in any city they were in – guy that is established and can pick and choose where he wants to work. Yep, still not seeing the logic in that comparison.
@EasternLeagueVeteran
Speaking of Marlins history…hmmm
Marlins 2 championships through 31 seasons of existence.
Mets 2 championships through 62 seasons of existence.
Hmmm. when compared to the Mets and all other expansion teams, which have the Marlins tied for the most championships by an expansion team…in far less years than the teams tied with them (Mets, Astros, Blue Jays, Royals), yes it is a history to be proud of.
@EasternLeagueVeteran
As for the Girardi firing, yes that happened, but it was oversimplified in the post. Girardi had a couple of issues. 1) in Spring Training, some of his plans were overridden by the GM, so the lineup and defensive alignment was the GMs, which led to the award winning season. and 2) just a little before the end of the season, Girardi unsubordinated the owner at the stadium in the presence of fans and media.
So yeah, in most job on this planet, you’re going to be fired for these.
But it’s quite possible that his affinity for Stearns would trump location.
@Blue Baron
True, but you shouldn’t be so quick to act like your thought process is more valid than people that actually were closer to knowing him than you were. If you knew him personally or even on a professional level, that’d be different, but we both as fans know only the access available. and clearly you’ve had less access than the fans who have interacted with him over the years.
Hey, he may end up in NY, but to invalidate the opinions of people who actually have gotten to know more about him, and interacted with him as well, than you have is not good grounds to dismiss them since they don’t align with your thoughts that are solely grounded in wishful/hopeful thinking.
Counsell is indeed a guy that is not a big city guy. When he played for us, he was not into the city stuff we have here or any of the nightlife. He’s a bit bland. And you think that’s not a factor about NY? Sorry, like I’ve said many times. Not everyone likes living in NY. At least @Mendoz Line 215 acknowledges that and offers a reason and explanation why he thinks Counsell to NY is a possibility…although a little off about the financial argument because Counsell is already wealthy in his current job.
Good luck Buck.
Buck stops here.
Buck gets change.
Confirmed, Craig Counsell to manage the Mets in 24
Saving this.
Marlins- Everything that you said about Counsell I believe is true.
But please don’t underestimate the power of money.
Counsell will be set for life along with his kids and grandkids.
He may look at this as a temporary change and a permanent improvement.He may not enjoy it because he will be working for someone who wants to win by buying everyone,but the small market life is never going to get him a World Series championship.
Could we really be saying that a team that continuously makes the Playoffs in MLB can’t win a World Series? This isn’t the NBA. Any Playoff team can win it all.
In order to win a World Series you almost certainly need two or three superstars.
The stars have to align right for that to happen on one of the 8 small market teams( not including the Marlins).They are three each in the central divisions and the Rays and A’s.
Just the Royals have won it all since 1992.
No,not impossible,but very highly unlikely.
And the Steve Cohens of the world make it even less so.
Heads starting to roll now in Flushing
More Carrasco and Vogelbach LOL
@Robrock30 the only thing rolling in Flushing is Vogelback falling on his side on the way to the postgame buffet
Not his last stop , know he happy to get out of that management mess. Future is bright for. team . Management will screw it up
Could he be a fit for the Giants?
Showalter in San Francisco is a pretty good premise for a fish out of water comedy.
@brick house
I don’t see old skool Buck working with new skool Zaidi? It’d be fun to watch though….
Interesting thought. Showalter always seems to do well in the first years with a new team so maybe the Giants take a chance? Can always fire him later….
It is Buck’s last stop. His age is against him, and he isn’t rated highly enough as a manager to overcome that.
Manager of the year last year……
They won’t make the move, but Buck would be a good fit for the White Sox just to settle that mess down and help build a culture.
Because hiring TLR did the Sox so much good.
Realistically, the White Sox aren’t contenders. That’s where the difference is between the LaRussa hire versus bringing in a manager like Showalter now. Tony was brought in to win, and he didn’t. Buck would be coming in to clean up some of that mess while the club rebuilds, because that’s what they need to do.
Not his last stop , know hes happy to get out of that management mess. Future is bright for. team . Management will screw it up
Not the first time you posted the same dumb comment.
Let the firings commence. Let’s see who’s next.
Possibly Bob Melvin. Should but probably won’t be Aaron Boone, Alex Cora and Oliver Marmol
I wonder if Jim Riggleman is available… 😉
Riggleman was touted as the next Whitey Herzog when he surfaced with the Padres.
Yeah, how did that work out for him?
#PadrePropaganda
How is Riggleman relevant to any of this?
Marmol is not going anywhere. He’s MO’s yes man.
The Mets and their delusional fan base…..who wants to manage these overpaid misfits?
Current team, who is overpaid?
Starling Marte? That’s about it really.
Marte was well worth his contract last year. Tough to say if injuries were the only reason he wast bad this year.
That was the only player I could think of that would come up, but his first year was somewhat of a bargain. His multiple injuries this past year hurt.
Anybody not in the pre-arbitration stage.
Nimmo and Lindor. Although a case can be made that they got what the market was willing to pay.
Marte would categorize as the same, but the real hit for them was more adding the extra year that the Marlins weren’t willing to give.
All the guys that were traded, who’s contracts are still being paid.
Oh yeah…and Bobby Bonilla.
You’re an idiot. Marlins out first round and they can go back to being irrelevant for 5-8 seasons.
Lindor is part of the core of the team, statistically and in other ways.
He went 30-30 with 98 RBI and played Gold Glove defense, plus he’s great with PR and the media.
He earns every penny.
Lindor provided $24.1 million in surplus value this season alone. 8th best player in baseball by WAR. 2nd best SS. If Mets fans don’t want him. send him to Anaheim. Angels fans would
Nimmo provided $18.5 million in surplus value. Roughly doubling what he was paid. 3rd best CF in baseball by WAR.
Marte would be the only one of those 3 that didn’t earn his check on the field and more.
Yikes
I know someone who has worked in and is still close to the organization who told me that Cohen is cleaning house in the minor league coaching and player development areas.
Any house cleaning is based on what Stearns told him. He wants Stearns to come in not as the bad guy. Cohen does the firing, Stearns the hiring.
Considering that it started in August, it’s also clearly based on Cohen’s impressions.
But it’s the right thing anyway.
It started last season. 1/3 of the coaching staffs were new to the Mets organization. Syracuse was an all new staff. Scott, Hetzler, and Driscoll moved from other positions and Arencibia and Kraus are new to Mets. Brignac and Duncan were the only returning coaches for the Ponies this season.
Cohen has added about 2 dozen people to the player development staff since he took over.
They’ve already fired a number of player development personnel. As sad as it is to fire people, Met minor league prospects have been largely unprepared for their major league debuts. This has to change.
Exactly.
Who? Can’t anything saying they have fired anyone this year.
One in five top 100 prospects make it.
Kevin Howard, the organization’s director of player development, Jeff Lebow, the director of pro player evaluation, director of performance Jim Cavallini and director of baseball development Bryan Hayes.
They were fired at the end of August.
Gabe Kapler or Craig Council
Or Craig Counsell.
Kapler would fit the mold for what David Stearns would want. I don’t see Craig Counsell leaving Milwaukee for New York.
He’s not returning as Brewers’ manager, so he’s already left Milwaukee.
And how do you know what he would or wouldn’t do?
If he doesn’t return to Milwaukee he might want to be a dad, now that his son is playing. It’s just speculation on my part, it’s just a discussion…
You’re right, Kapler is available and can hit the ground running. Proven ceiling, though.
107 wins? Pretty good ceiling.
If Kapler ends up with the Mets I’ll never watch a Met game again
Love to see Kapler managing the Mets.
Joe Maddon. You heard it from me first. You can throw a quarter at me if I’m right.
That’s a bold statement for an ignorant son of a B. 😉
I know, tell me about it lol. You should hear my wife…!
Showalter really showed his age this season. Its tough on the body for someone his age to make all these plane trips. Looked like he had barely any energy. Barely went out and argued. I’ll say this though, he was definetly a leader but his bullpen decisions and his lineup constructions were not good. The insistence on playing “veterans” like VogelFat and Mendick over giving consistent playing time to the young guys was detrimental to this team. I’d like the Mets to check in on Craig Counsel, Joe Girardi, Gabe Kapler, or Alex Cora (if he gets fired) in the offseason
Again with the VogelFat “joke?”
Get some new material and a little maturity.
@gbs42 a baseball player should not be above 300 pounds. He gets paid to be an athlete. Hes a disgrace to the game. I’ve seen 10 year old girls in softball run to firstbase faster than him
> I’ve seen 10 year old girls in
> softball run to firstbase
Why are you watching 10 yr old girls run to firstbase? Filthy pervert!
Athletes come in all shapes and sizes. He’s been in the majors for 8 years, so he’s doing something right. Have you ever seen any 10-year-old girls who can hit a baseball 400 feet?
If its your daughter you kinda have to…
hysterical. well done.
I was curious about that so looked it up. Vogelbach was not the slowest runner in baseball. A dozen players were slower to 1B in MLB including Luis Campusano and Giancarlo Stanton. The slowest was Yasmani Grandal by a large margin. I was blown away.
My 12 year old granddaughter plays softball and its 60 feet to 1B, so they might get there faster than someone running 90 feet. I know she can outrun me, but I am pretty old compared to Vogelbach, Campusano, and Stanton.
According to Little League, for 12 year olds 5.20 seconds to 1B is considered elite. That is for baseball, but I am sure that its also elite for softball.
Not sure that any of that has any bearing on Vogelbach’s value as a platoon DH. He had a 113wRC+ with 13 HR mostly against RHP. He ranked 13th among guys with at least 250 PA as a DH. Is that good enough to resign? Only Stearns knows for sure.
> If its your daughter you kinda have to…
Your daughter is not girls. Plural. Nice try.
Looks like Gabe Kapler might have a new home. You heard it here first!
Is he returning to Philadelphia after the Phillies lose the division series?
You’re comment makes no sense. Nice attempt at trolling though.
It will make plenty of sense after the Phillies get bounced out of the playoffs.
As a Phillies fan I would love to see him managing the Muts
As would I.
Honestly, with vacancies potentially opening at BOTH NY clubs, potentially MIL (if Stearns plucks Counsel) along with any other openings that might become available (looking at you, San Diego)), it is not hard to see Kapler filling one of those roles.
There’s also speculation about coaches Joe Espada of the Astros, John Flaherty of the Padres, and Clyde McCullough of the Dodgers.
Why do you guys think Kapler is a hot commodity that teams will fight over?
He was a total disaster running the Phillies rebuild. He had a remarkable year managing the Giants in 2021 – he won Manager of the Year when the Giants had a year for the ages. The other 3 years he was there weren’t good.
He was a successful as the steroid-ed up Red Sox player, looking like a prune after MLB finally implemented drug testing. Didn’t do much on other teams. He has off-the wall / impractical philosophies about dealing with people, and has no track record whatsoever regarding making many players on his roster more productive.
The guys a flake that will be perfect as a TV commenter – with ESPN at the top of the list.
Dusty retires after the playoffs this year and Espada takes his place.
Assuming Espada wishes to stay in Houston and doesn’t have other options.
He gets a say in it as well.
Blue- He has been a hot name for several years and since Dusty won his first last year and is not getting any younger it seems to make sense that there is some kind of understanding there.
The Jets once had such an understanding with Bill Belichick to take over as head coach when Bill Parcells stepped down. That last one day before Belichick left for the Patriots.
Seriously, why would Espada limit himself like that when he might wind up with multiple options?
1 he has never managed in the ML’s
2 Astros have a fine organization
3 he is obviously very comfortable there
4 the Astros are very comfortable with him
5 he would not have to relocate
6 he would not be getting into a situation that was unfamiliar to him
7 he would have a longer rein as he is trusted
8 the team could have a bad first year without getting fired
Actually, you’re just speculating on all of that unless you personally know the guy, which I doubt.
You especially have no idea what his range of options might be.
Nor does anyone else on this site.
Lots of good reasons for anyone to stay in house though.
Flaherty takes Melvin’s place when he retires next week.
Maybe. Unless, of course, he doesn’t.
Or Ryan Flaherty.
@ Samuel – No argument from me. I think everyting you said is absolutely spot on about Kapler. He’s not a good manager. I just believe with the amount of vacancies out there, he’s bound to land one of them.
ESPN’s anouncers (and FOX for that matter) are all trash IMO. I’m more of an old school guy (Jon Miller, Joe Morgan). That said, Kapler would fit right in at ESPN but I think I would definitely be muting my playoff baseball moving forward.
Why do you assume that Kapler will be hired? There are more coaches and other qualified candidates than there are job openings.
That’s always the case.
If you read my comment, you’d know why I assume Kapler will have another management job.
Nice try again.
Trying to do what? I was just asking a question.
But none of your posts include any solid reason that any team would choose Kapler over other qualified candidates.
But congrats on the Phillies winning. They will be tough for the Braves to beat and would make me some cash if they make it to the World Series again.
@njmatt82 OK, now THAT’S funny.
Buck says he was honored to manage the Mets! I as a lifetime fan, felt honored that he managed the Mets! Billy Eppler should have been shown the door- not Buck. Already not liking this guy Stearns who’s coming in- he’s batting 0.00 already!!
The Yanks would be smart to pick up Buck- and dump Cashman and/ or Boone.
Why would the Yankees want to hire someone from the team on the other side of the Triborough Bridge?
They hired Luis Rojas, and once Buck leaves, he wouldn’t be from the team on the other side of the bridge anymore.
@ChuckyNJ: Like Omar Minaya?
Mets lose a Buck, looking for change.
It had to happen. The direction they’re headed is not where he’d be efficient. Only so many times one can sit back and watch Volg in the lineup.
This is not a move against Buck. He helped professionalize the Mets clubhouse. This is about letting Stearns put his own man at the helm, and they didn’t wait for Stearns to arrive tomorrow and make his first announcement be that he was letting Buck go. That’s a smart move. Contrast that with the Red Sox who won’t let their incoming GM pick his own manager.
This nearly guarantees the Mets win in 2024…
General question? Has any manager ever won a Manger of Year award with a losing team and horrible roster of players?
I’d research but I am guessing no.
One of my favourite quotes from Sparky when asked ..”what makes him such a great manager? “ Points to the locker room.. “ I give the ball to Tom “
Ed-Geraldi won with the Marlins in the early 2000’s and was promptly fired by the knucklehead owner,
It was Joe GIRARDI in 2007.
2006 78-84 , but yes thank you both. How’d that happen ?
BB- Thank you Blew Baren for correcting me.
It was 2006 though.
Ed-I just googled it and Jeffrey Loria was heckling an umpire and the umpire told Girardi to shut him up.Joe tried to and Loria took exception to it.He tried to fire him then and there but was talked out of it.He fired him at the end of the season,probably as a result of that instance.
Doesn’t he lose future salary if he quits instead of being fired?
Probably reached so kind of agreement with Cohen
Believe he made the statements AFTER being let go by Cohen
You New Yorkers keep saying that Counsell will manage your team in 2024. Please explain why he would want to? Team is in flux, ownership doesn’t know what it is doing, fans that are rabid at times, media there that is cynical at best… why would be want to go there?
High risk high reward. I agree he doesnt have a huge incentive to prove anything, but if he does bring a championship to New York he’ll be set for a long, long time.
@runningwithnailclippers: Because he’s not returning to the Brewers, it’s one of only 30 such jobs in the world, and it pays a lot of money.
It’s also worth even more money commercially when you’re successful.
Any more dumb questions from you non-New Yorkers?
Blue-Do we know for a fact that he is not returning to the Brewers,or is that just speculation?
Why would someone want to manage any MLB team? There are only 30 jobs and only a few become available each year. Plus it pays much better than managing in the minors.
LOL. Is that a trick question?
The Mets just spent the most money in MLB history on player payroll and have made a huge investment in their baseball operations outside of MLB players.
They won 101 games last season and keep most of the core of position players together for 2024.
They just hired one of the most brilliant minds in baseball that has been Counsell’s POBO/GM for 5 years.
Their farm system is in the best position its been in years.
While the media believed Scherzer, no one with half a brain did. Cohen has money and will spend if its the right players. That is why the Mets are one of the favorites to land Yamamoto and Imanaga and Rosenthal named them as one of the two teams most likely to land Ohtani.
Stearns knows how to identify the best players. Half a dozen baseball operations and analytics staff were already hired away from the Brewers as part of the 25 or so that were hired by the Mets in the last year.
I WISH that Arte was doing for the Angels what Cohen is doing for the Mets.
Thanks for writing this response, saved me the time! Many reasons someone would want to manage the mets now
YW. I am an Angels fan I my dream is that Arte sells the team to someone like Cohen who loves baseball more than his money and who puts together a long term plan to bring a winner to Anaheim.
Hoping Cohen proves everyone wrong and signs Ohtani, although I think its more likely he signs with the Giants.
Because everyone is just speculating about what David Stearns wants to do and it’s reasonable speculation that he likes his manager from his prior team. No one knows what Craig Counsell wants or doesn’t want, or even if he’ll be any good on his second stop. I’ll say one thing about Cohen, from day one he seems to just want to hire the most competent guy and let him do his thing which is encouraging as a fan and I imagine appealing as an executive. He just needs to stop trying to sign Carlos Correa while drunk on Mai Tai’s without asking anyone their opinion first.
RIP Tim Wakefield
Oh my goodness.
I’m surprised MLBTR hasn’t gotten anything out about that yet.
goodbye Craig Counsell
Goodbye Cubs. Fly the L
Bobby Valentine, come on down.
Buck is a good man whose Mets clubs underachived. While not all his fault, the Sept 2022 collapse and the total disfunction of the Worst Team (Steve’s) Money Can Buy [TM] can’t be overlooked.
He wasn’t the problem but didn’t show that he could be part of the solution.
Cohen backed himself into a corner early by announcing to the world that he was going to spend big. He spent big. He found out that spending big is useless without a young core to sustain you.
Braves were coy. They always had to greenlight to spend money but didnt feel the need to telegraph that intention to the whole world.
Cohen tried something that Fred Wilpon and Saul Katz couldn’t or wouldn’t do. It’s better to try and fail than not try.
And the Braves have nothing to do with the Mets succeeding or not.
Other than being direct division competitors… do you even listen to yourself? Your arrogance is so thick, and for no reason.
Thanks for your opinion. You have yours and I have mine, but we should be able to discuss them without personal attacks and name-calling.
It’s unfortunate that you seem unable to do that.
Buck was the fall guy. Not the first time, he is used to that from his time in the Bronx.
The best mistakes are the ones most quickly corrected.
Buck is a fine manager if you need to tighten up an undisciplined but talented roster that doesn’t handle fundamentals well. He also tends to wear out his welcome (maybe because he’s a stickler for discipline) and then replaced with someone who allows a looser clubhouse. The Yanks and D-backs won WS *soon after* he left. Perhaps a good sign for the Mets?
But the Rangers and Orioles didn’t.
He would be perfect for the Pirates.That is exactly what they need.
The players are all young so he would have to play them.
Joe Maddon or Joe Girardi or Ron Washington
Will not be Giraldi as he does not play young players.That is what got him fired by the Phillies.
The caption should read “Mets will not return as MLB team, will be replaced by AAA Akron Ducks”
Your username should be “DumbCommentArtist.”
Thank you thank you. I am an artist actually, recording my first album ^_^
Cool, an album of your dumbest comments!
I shouldn’t be using my clever skills to clown the Mets. They do that themselves
But your “skills,” as you call it, aren’t that clever.
Well,at least he’s a good speller
The Ducks are AA.
Tim Wakefield died today at 57. How sad.
Showalter to the Yankees wouldn’t really make a lot of sense. Buck is a fine manager, but the team needs to make a clean break with the organizational past. Not likely that they will, of course, but hire Buck for three years, expecting miracles, and they just are not going to be there right away..
Doubtful Counsell leaves for the Mets. He wouldn’t last two years and he knows that. A micromanaging owner along with a cut throat media market and a roster full of over priced babies wouldn’t be his style.
Counsell has already left. And how do you know?
Not until the end of the Brewers run in the playoffs.
True.
John Henry, show some strength and bring in Buck to replace that joke, Cora.
Bronx.
You could se that one coming a mile away once Stears was hired
I liked having Buck at the helm. Can’t comment on his managerial skills (like, how tf would I know?) but his public comments and interviews were intelligent and entertaining. Not quite Dickey-Esque but that’s a high bar. with a new POBO and a historically disappointing season, it would have been odd for Buck to return. I still don’t understand what, exactly, Eppler does. But I am not confident in his ability to evaluate pitching talent, and would not be surprised if he’s gone in a year or so.
If Alonso had been on the Braves this season, he would not have been in the top 5 in OPS.What was Buck supposed to do about that?
Edwin Diaz got injured. What was Buck supposed to do about that?
Bret Baty and Mark Vientos have BA, OBP, and OPS that are well-below expectations.
What was Buck supposed to do about that?
Quintana missed a lot of the season due to injury. What was Buck supposed to do about that?
Magill and Peterson are both AAA/AAAA pitchers. Not Buck’s fault.
And McNeil mcneiled again. Buck can’t do anything about that.
Pham complained that the Mets were not a hardworking team. Well, if thats true (and how tf would we know?), that could be in Buck.
But all in all this is a performative dump on Cohen’s part, nothing more, nothing less
Buck lost control of the team
I thought maybe with some resurgence in late August and September, mhe would have another bear, but he won’t
Quite frankly are the true Mets fans going to miss him, I don’t think so
How did he lose control of the team? Did he lose control bc he had 2 future HOF Pitchers on the staff with giant contracts and larger egos?
I don’t think they listened to him
@AgeeHarrelsonJones: Actually, it’s about Cohen empowering Stearns as POBO to bring in his own people. It’s not really anything against Buck.
I’m seeing speculation on Counsell, Melvin, Astros bench coach Joe Espada, Padres bench coach John Flaherty, and Dodgers 1B coach Clyde McCullough.
I think Beltran might get a shot. He’s back in the organization, has a good relationship with Cohen and is beloved by the players and around the league as well. He clearly got the short end of the stick out of everyone. I’m intrigued by the prospect of him getting the job. It all depends on where Stearns’ thinking is at however.
Interesting thought.
Or Ryan Flaherty.
Don Mattingly
Don’t try to snatch Pedro Grifol, White Sox want him for 2024 and beyond.
Despite this disappointing season, NYM are in good hands going forward with their rejuvenated upper farm and new POBO
New Mets manager will be Craig Counsell
As a brewers fan you can have him! Lol
As a Brewers fan, it’s not your call.
Fire David Stearns!
Fire dugmet!
No baseball fan ever loves their own manager.
I remember people calling for Tommy Lasorda and Sparky Anderson to get fired too, among others.
I won’t be surprised if the LolMets don’t get their first pick. Or 2nd or 3rd. Not sure why anyone would want to willingly be part of this organization.
Yeah, who would want to work for an owner that actually wants to win a WS instead of worrying about profits. The poor manager is gonna have to deal with a solid core of vet players and an influx of young talent. Not to mention their new highly-regarded POBO. What a nightmare job.
@CO Guardening: I wouldn’t be surprised if you have no idea what you’re talking about.
In fact, I am sure of it.
LolMets fans are the best. I bet you’re hoping for Counsell or Melvin to coach your underperforming prima donnas. Why would they waste a year when they could manage actual contending teams with good roster construction. And we’re not talking about the Padres.
Guess we’ll see, won’t we?
There’s also talk about Braves bench coach Walt Weiss and Dodgers bench coach Danny Lehmann.
What stupid things do you have to say about them?
Walt Weiss made 30 errors for the 1996 Colorado Rockies. And was the first player to play for both the Marlins AND Rockies.
Is that dumb enough for you?
Its pretty stupid. Which is a continuation of your moronic comments.
This guy is the ultimate dbag. The way he interrupted the game against SD to check on Joe Musgrove’s ears and day he was cheating because Showalter couldn’t deal with the fact that his team is ass.
Guy is a sore loser, a punk, and a crybaby. To mess up someone’s game like that in front of thousands of people and then to be wrong about it just shows how little class this guy has
Buck is literally one of the classiest guys in the game and he’s unanimously well-respected around the league. What a terrible take.
The Musgrove move was called down by the FO because of info they received, that wasn’t Buck’s decision. That was immediately acknowledged publicly. And not only did his ears look ridiculously suspicious, his spin rates for that game were noticeably improved. It was a very reasonable call to make. Even without that info it’s a form of gamesmanship.
Nah, Showalter was clearly just butthuet because the Mets suck ass every season and his team was getting their asses handed to them and he couldn’t take the humiliation
As opposed to the Yankees sucking and having a crappy farm system.
101 wins sucks so bad. How many did the Yankees win?
His ears were red. His spin rate was in line with his season.
RE Yanks2
Yikes.
Don’t think you’re ever going to post something that will improve my life to read.
Muted
1 year after managing the Yankees in ‘95 they ended up winning the WS. So who knows maybe they end up winning it all in 2024
Sad day for this Mets fan. I loved Buck. I think he brought to the team what’s been missing since Terry departed. I get it. The team is getting younger the game is getting younger so naturally the manager is also going to get younger. David Stern’s boy Counsell will prob slot right in, or Beltran. Those are my best educated guesses.
Craig Counsel you’re cleared for landing
Buck to the Pobres!!
Another hire for Manny!!
Next manager will be someone who has lived in NYC. Put it in the books!
Cohen’s comments on SNY just now made it sound like Counsell.
Put that in the books.
Former Met?
David Wright
In today’s postgame presser, Cohen just said that a new POBO, Stearns, has a right to bring in his own people.
That sounds like Counsell’s the guy.
The Mets season wasn’t Buck’s fault. It was a poorly built team, and no one was guiding that club to any type of success. Still, this was the predictable move- and honestly the correct move. If you’re hiring Stearns to be your guy, you need to let him hire his people. These are just the things that happen after one of the most epic flops in history.
The Mets future success, or continued failure, really depends on if Cohen has learned anything or not however. You can’t buy a World Series team. It needs to be built, and you augment it through free agency for the finishing touches.
Same poorly built team that won 101 games the year before.
Why would Counsell agree to manage a team open about rebuilding through next season?
Because it’s a prestigious MLB managing job and it’s what he does.
Why would you come on here and ask such an amazingly dumb question?
@DarkSide. “Everyone has their reasons” – Jean Renoir. Presumably you’ve lived long enough to learn that fundamental lesson. Smh
They have one of the better front office minds in the game as new POBO, they have an owner willing to spend lots of money, and they have a strong farm w some promising young guys already here, plus they’re focusing More and more on improving player development. Seems like a good spot, actually.
So you are one of those pinheads that believed Scherzer even though Cohen and Eppler said the opposite?
Im wondering what happens if Schneider loses this playoff series. Does he get fired amd they Don mattingly the manager? If not Mattingly is a good candidate for 1 of thos 3 open jobs
Folks that suggest Counsell would be averse to managing in NY sports pressure cooker are making a rash assumption. The best player in recent memory on a NY baseball team was from Western Michigan (Jeter) which I assure you is nothing like New York City. Aside from excelling, Jeter handled the media masterfully. Place of origin means zero. It’s his choice for sure and I doubt apprehension about the media would be the factor
You’re being kind. I submit that they have no idea what they’re talking about and are posting just to say something.
I’m thinking the guardians might go after Buck since Francona is probably retiring
Was this Buck’s last year under contract?
He fell on the sword.
Stupid, just play stupid, for them firing Buck. I really thought Cohen wouldn’t be like other bad owners over the years making decisions instead of having patience. That’s a real shame. Well the old proverb is always true, “You reap what you sow.” We will see how the Mets ever do.
He’s just empowering his new POBO to bring in his own people.
Nothing wrong with that.
An interesting name suggested by the NY Post is Braves bench coach Walt Weiss.
Disaster season, but why keep Eppler ?
I doubt Counsell is going anywhere….he has 2 sons that are playing college BB in the Midwest….if anything he may just want to be a dad for awhile.
lolMets
I say if Bob Melvin is fired tomorrow, that Buck may go to San Diego, and Melvin may end up in either San Francisco or with the Mets.
Am I mishearing to think that Cohen is trying to deflect any criticism by saying it was Stearns’ decision an he had told him he was given the right to do it so he had to let him? Just sounded whiny and odd.
Buck Showalter is NOT a sycophant so he must go.
Angels should get him
Where is Billy Martin?……….:)
I think booting Showwalter was a mistake
Melvin to the Giants. Buck to the Padres. Would also love to see the White Sox in on Buck.
Flaherty will take over for Padres if Melvin is fired or retires.
Afraid to even look at this thread. Just came to say good luck in whatever comes next Buck.
We won close to 180 games in two years.
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Technically, it was 175, or 87.5 wins a year. Hardly the stuff that dreams are made of, not with that salary.
Minasian and Showalter have a long family like history together…
If Judge endorses Boonie, he’ll be staying put…..but I’d rather see Buck, personally. Maybe add Cone as the bench coach.
Overall though…..the problem starts with Cashman. They won’t dump him, but maybe “promote” him and get another stud baseball mind in there who doesn’t get wood over analytics.
Buck Showalter was a nice organizational builder but that was his limit. He was the bridge guy for the manager that can close it out and win in the playoffs. Buck had a nice run. Solid manager. No shame in that.
Why can’t I comment