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The Opener: Brewers, Trade Market, Reliever Of The Year

By Nick Deeds | November 29, 2023 at 8:18am CDT

As the Winter Meetings approach, here are three things we’ll be keeping an eye on around the baseball world throughout the day today:

1. Brewers facing big decisions:

Few teams in baseball are facing as wide an array of possible outcomes this offseason as the Brewers. After losing longtime manager Craig Counsell to the division rival Cubs and non-tendering injured ace Brandon Woodruff earlier this month, the club is facing major decisions on the futures of right-hander Corbin Burnes and shortstop Willy Adames, both of whom are slated to hit free agency after the 2024 season. In a recent poll of MLBTR readers nearly 78% of respondents suggested the club should move Burnes, who has spoken candidly about the lack of extension negotiations between the sides.

On the other hand, the club is the reigning NL Central champion and would likely have trouble fending off up-and-coming clubs like the Reds and Cubs next season if they were to lose both Burnes and Woodruff in the same offseason. As Milwaukee brass ponders whether to maximize the club’s odds in 2024 or build for the long term, the club is simultaneously discussing a precedent-setting pre-debut extension with top outfield prospect Jackson Chourio, a move that could extend the club’s window of control over a potentially elite talent while accelerating his path to the majors.

2. When will the trade market for starters kick into motion?

Burnes isn’t the only noteworthy ace-caliber arm who could be on the trade market this offseason. White Sox right-hander Dylan Cease, Rays righty Tyler Glasnow, and 2020 AL Cy Young award winner Shane Bieber have gotten plenty of buzz as likely trade candidates so far this offseason, with reports of interest from rival clubs ramping up in recent days. Could a team look to make an impact addition to their starting rotation ahead of the Winter Meetings, which begin on Sunday evening? The Braves, Dodgers, Cubs, and Reds are the clubs that have been most frequently connected to the front-of-the-rotation arms known to be available in trade, though plenty of teams would benefit from such an addition.

3. Reliever of the Year winners to be announced:

The winners of the league’s Reliever of the Year awards, named after Trevor Hoffman in the NL and Mariano Rivera in the AL, are set to be announced this evening at 5pm CT on MLB Network. The reigning winner of the award in the NL, Mets closer Edwin Diaz, missed the entire 2023 campaign due to injury. That leaves the door wide open for other top arms such as left-handed free agent Josh Hader (1.28 ERA), Brewers righty Devin Williams (1.53 ERA), and Pirates right-hander David Bednar (2.00 ERA) to claim the award this season. Meanwhile, the AL’s top crop of relief arms this year features reigning winner Emmanuel Clase (3.22 ERA), who lead the league with 44 saves this season for the Guardians. However, the likes of Orioles righty Felix Bautista (1.48 ERA) and Blue Jays right-hander Jordan Romano (2.90 ERA) posted stronger run-prevention numbers than Clase this season.

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  1. lemonlyman

    2 years ago

    It’s a shame Felix Bautista got hurt or he’d have had a real shot at the Cy Young this year. Even with missing a month and pitching 11 fewer innings, he still had 46 more K’s than Clase and led AL relievers in WAR. He’d have my vote.

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    • MagicOriole

      2 years ago

      I logged in just to give this comment a thumbs up.

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      • CO Guardening

        2 years ago

        Total shame he got injured. Plus, I think we all like to see the top guys play. Clase also led in blown saves, so even though he led the league in saves, I think a healthy Bautista gets the nod.

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        • Canuckleball

          2 years ago

          If you look at how successful a pitcher was at converting save opportunities, Romano’s 90% (36/40) conversion rate was the best, followed by Bautista at 84.6% (33/39) and then Clase at 78.6% (44/56).

          If it was an award for closer, then Romano probably deserves it as he was most efficient at converting saves.

          It’s a reliever award though and looking at the broader numbers, Bautista was pretty clearly the best overall reliever. Clase is there for name recognition. His 3.22 ERA, opponents batting average of .242 (worst of any of the top relievers) and poor save conversion rate should have him comfortably behind Romano.

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        • rowbradfo

          2 years ago

          also a shockingly low k rate

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        • ohyeadam

          2 years ago

          Surprised the Twins Duran didn’t make the finalists. He’s got all the stats but saves, not used a traditional closer, these other guys have. Nothing against any of these finalists but he deserves a spot imo

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        • CO Guardening

          2 years ago

          Indeed. Identical IP from last year, WHIP jumped from .729 to 1.156

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        • avenger65

          2 years ago

          They should probably call it the Closer Award and keep it the Hoffman/Rivera awards. Then there should be a separate Relief Pitcher Award so set-up men who keep the game in check until they can bring in the closer. They could be judged primarily by Holds and ERA. Imagine going through your career playing a vital role and never getting any recognition except for a whopper go a salary.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 years ago

          CO – Agreed! And it cracks me up that Felix missed approx 6 weeks of the season and STILL pitched 10 more innings than Chris Martin, who had a pretty good season himself.

          BTW – It will always be the Rolaids award to me.

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        • solaris602

          2 years ago

          You’re right. I’m a CLE fan, and I’m stunned Clase is even in the conversation with those 12 blown saves in ‘23. Hate to say it, but it seemed like more.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 years ago

          Avenger – I don’t put a tremendous amount of weight on reliever ERA because it can be so misleading.

          Reliever comes into a game with a runner on first base and two outs, he gives up a run scoring double and doesn’t get charged any earned runs.

          Reliever starts the 10th inning, promptly gives up 2 walks and a base hit to lose the game. He gets charged zero earned runs.

          So many situations where a reliever pitches like garbage and yet doesn’t get charged any earned runs.

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        • A'sfaninLondonUK

          2 years ago

          I’ll vote for Trevor May. Overcame personal issues, pitched very well, and retired – his final kiss off telling what a complete **** he thought of John Fisher.

          Completely biased vote I agree….

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        • whyhayzee

          2 years ago

          FPG, you get Roland’s by using your Fingers.

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    • The Big Yo

      2 years ago

      Long shot a reliever wins the Cy Young. I remember in 2018 80+ innings pitched with a 9-2 record and 38 saves with an incredible 0.78ERA . I believe he didn’t even get a sniff.

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  2. Flanster

    2 years ago

    Since he was so dominant before he got hurt, Bautista might get it anyway

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  3. CO Guardening

    2 years ago

    Surprised the Bieber trade rumors doesn’t have an article on MLB Trade Rumors. Cleveland has gotten skunked on past trades when their Ace is at the top of their game. Kluber has arguably gotten the most (Clase), the Clevinger trade still has Cantillo to hope for, CC got them Brantley and Lee got them Carrasco (both injured when needed most in 16 WS), the Bauer trade was a complete dud.

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  4. Captain-Judge99

    2 years ago

    The Yankees got some young pitching that the Brewers should look at with Chase Hampton and Drew Thorpe. They are a few years away, but Clarke Schmidt is solid, and Johny Brito and Randy Vasquez are all durable now.

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    • Big whiffa

      2 years ago

      I don’t think the brewers are overly eager to trade Mr Burnes. That being said I think a package like Schmidt, Thorpe, Warren gets it done e z.

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    • jbeerj

      2 years ago

      Thorpe was a guy I was hoping the Brewers would’ve drafted.

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  5. MoneyBallJustWorks

    2 years ago

    this has to be Bautista in the AL. Clase yes lead the league in saves but that’s a result of
    1. Felix missing time early and late
    2. his team having another RP who also had staggering numbers (especially in first half)
    3. better team with less save opps

    can’t imagine the selection committee gives it back to Clase after he took a step backward this season.

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    • avenger65

      2 years ago

      Money all: The problem is, if a guy won it before, the media goes for the safe choice and votes for them again whether they deserve it or not. I think Bautista should win it and they’ll likely vote for Hader. He’s a great reliever who had another strong season, but will he be judged by past performances when he was virtually untouchable?

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      • Slider_withcheese

        2 years ago

        Take the votes out of the hands of those that watch the game and put in in the ones who actually play with or against the player and the results would be different.

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  6. baseballpun

    2 years ago

    The Brewers should just spend money to improve the club. And they should extend Burnes and probably Adames.

    But if they aren’t going to do that they really should trade those guys rather than run it back with what they have.

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    • harrycarey

      2 years ago

      But I wonder how ticket sales are going for the Brewers? If they trade everyone now other than Opening day and 6 Cubs home games why would people go? Do they hang on and trade players closer to Spring Training after some folks have bought the 4 game packs where you now get a 5th game free?

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      • kripes-brewers

        2 years ago

        I think you’re seriously underestimating the fan base here. There are a lot of talented young kids coming up and that brings a lot of enthusiasm. Brewers fans know the small market operation and what that means to remaining competitive. We pretty much expect Burnes to be traded and we see the writing on the wall with Adames too. I wouldn’t be particularly surprised if we’ve already seen the ceiling for both of them already, so trading them now to bring in even more young, controllable talent is the smart move to stay in the NL central mix. I don’t think any of us wants to go the fire sale/tear down/rebuild route like Pittsburgh fans have to deal with perpetually.

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  7. rememberthecoop

    2 years ago

    “Led” the league; not “lead”…

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    • jmaggio76

      2 years ago

      I’m not the only one… thank goodness lol

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  8. Troy Percival's iPad

    2 years ago

    Burnes is the only ace-caliber arm. Cease needed to take a couple steps forward two years ago to get there and never developed with the White Sox, the Rays are better off just paying Glasnow themselves since $25 mil for 120 career high innings is too steep of a price to net a return unless the Rays eat some and then have to replace those innings themselves, and unless Shane Bieber is working out with Driveline right now his 2024 will look like Kluber’s

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    • This one belongs to the Reds

      2 years ago

      “Ace” means different things on different clubs.

      The teams mentioned don’t really have an ace, per se.

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      • This one belongs to the Reds

        2 years ago

        Supposed to read some of the teams mentioned but last edit didn’t take.

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      • avenger65

        2 years ago

        Cease DID develop with the White Sox. He had a better season in ’22 than ’23, but it would be hard to match finishing second in Cy Young voting. I think you’ll see him being more consistent once he plays for a major league team.

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    • Joel P

      2 years ago

      The Rays don’t want to pay Glasnow that’s why he’s going to be dealt. The return doesn’t matter they simply don’t want to pay that salary

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  9. Old York

    2 years ago

    My predictions based on what the pitcher can control.

    American League:

    1. Felix Bautista

    kwERA: 1.15
    GBkwERA: 1.17

    2.. Jordan Romano

    kwERA: 3.08
    GBkwERA: 3.13

    3. Emmanuel Clase

    kwERA: 3.49
    GBkwERA: 2.98

    If, for some reason, the voters think that Bautista shouldn’t get it because he was injured for part of the year then it should go to Jordan Romano.

    National League:

    1. Devin Williams
    kwERA: 2.34
    GBkwERA: 2.21

    2. Camilo Doval

    kwERA: 2.80
    GBkwERA: 2.50

    3. David Bednar

    kwERA: 2.84
    GBkwERA: 2.86

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  10. dpsmith22

    2 years ago

    It is still Felix Bautista wven with the injury.

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    • C Yards Jeff

      2 years ago

      He gets bonus points for entertainment value outside of his pitching results. His entrance theme song when entering games is epic; especially when seen in person at OPACY.

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  11. Edub23

    2 years ago

    I have no clue as to why the Brewers are considering trading Burnes prior to the season starting. Reload rather than rebuild. You aren’t in the NL West or NL East where the heavyweights are.
    The Cubs, Cards, Reds and Pirates aren’t better. You won the division by 8 games last year and have one of the best closers in MLB. I’d take Burnes and Peralta over any of the other teams top two starters in that division.
    Upgrade the corner infield spots and win another division.

    The payroll is modest for a team that had higher home attendance than the Texas Rangers, Baltimore Orioles, etc.
    Stop acting like a small market team.
    If things go sideways by the trade deadline next year, then move Burnes. The dude is an ace and you’ll get the prospects in return at that time.

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    • Joel P

      2 years ago

      There is no evidence the Brewers are wanting to sell. It’s speculation.

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      • Jeremy320

        2 years ago

        To the contrary the reporters that regularly meet with brewers management have stated they are performing due diligence and expect both Burnes and Adames in a Brewer’s uniform next season.

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  12. Insert Shrug Emoji

    2 years ago

    I feel like Ohtani recently won some recognition award, despite being injured.

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  13. zack novotny

    2 years ago

    Dbacks trade Druw Jones, Perdomo, McCarthy, Ryne Nelson, Tommy Troy and Fletcher

    for

    White Sox: Cease and Robert

    Dbacks: Lawler, Perdomo, McCarthy, Nelson, and Walston

    for

    Blue Jays: Guerrero and Bichette

    Dbacks: Jones, Perdomo, Nelson, and Cecconi

    for

    Rays: Glasnow and Josh Lowe

    Who says no?

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    • vtadave

      2 years ago

      The non-Arizona side in very one of those offers

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    • GSWfanklay

      2 years ago

      Blue jays say heck no!

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    • GSWfanklay

      2 years ago

      White Sox might say yes

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    • Tigers3232

      2 years ago

      They all say no, especially Jays ans Sox

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  14. Win Cor

    2 years ago

    I think the Cardinals are way and beyond the most talked about team on the trade market for the pitchers mentioned.

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    • Joel P

      2 years ago

      The Cardinals have signed 3 starters already. I dont think they will be involved in much moving forward. I thought Matz could be dealt but that was before the Gray contract details were announced. The only thing the Cardinals need now is pen help.

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      • baseballpun

        2 years ago

        I think it depends on how fast the trade market moves, which I assume won’t really pick up until Yamamoto is signed.

        A TON of teams need pitching and if you believe Mozeliak (I know, big if), Lynn and Gibson were kind of opportunistic signings in that they reached out to the team. I would assume the Cards FO has been exploring the trade market for pitchers. And would still be open to adding an arm via trade if they can move Matz’s contract, which may be possible after the remaining big FAs are off the board and pitching-needy teams haven’t landed anyone.

        Of course the Cards will then be competing with all those teams to make a trade for a Glasnow or a Cease or whatever, so I don’t know if they’d be willing to meet the asking price.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          I just don’t see it. Glasnow isn’t happening. Cease will cost a ton in talent to trade. The Cardinals have 3 new starters that’s more than enough. The only reason I thought trading Matz made sense was for salary relief and the Gray contract being backloaded fixes that. Carlson and ONeill for a couple relievers and call it a day is what it looks like to me.

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  15. driftwood bat

    2 years ago

    I thought for sure I would see Tigers relief pitcher Tyler Holton in reliever of the year list, he was absolutely lights out for the Tigers.

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  16. jmaggio76

    2 years ago

    ****led the league. past tense…. lead is current or now…

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  17. GSWfanklay

    2 years ago

    Dear Milwaukee, Marco Lucriano, and a couple young pitchers or hitters for Admes and Burns

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