White Sox general manager Chris Getz spoke with reporters today and discussed some of the club’s plans for the rest of the offseason and the upcoming campaign, with Scott Merkin of MLB.com and Daryl Van Schouwen of the Chicago Sun-Times among those to relay the information. Getz acknowledged that Dylan Cease has received plenty of interest from other clubs but said that the Sox won’t trade him unless they feel the deal makes the club better. Elsewhere in the rotation, he said that Garrett Crochet will come into the season preparing to be a starter and that Chris Flexen is expected to be a starter as well. In terms of the lineup, he said that they don’t have an established starting right fielder as of right now and are open to external additions.
Cease, 28, has posted excellent results over the past three years and has been incredibly popular on the trade market in recent months. Teams such as the Yankees, Orioles, Dodgers, Cardinals, Red Sox, Mets, Braves and Reds have all been connected to his market this winter. Some of those clubs have since pivoted to other moves but the rumors around the righty have continued to swirl, with many in the industry still expecting a trade before the start of the season. But from the point of view of the Sox, they don’t feel they have to make a deal. “We’ve had [trade] conversations about Dylan [Cease] but we’re not going to move someone unless there’s a benefit,” Getz said.
The righty is still under club control for two years, so the Sox don’t have to move him immediately if they don’t want to. But his trade value won’t get any higher at this point, making it sensible for them to take the best offer they can get at the moment. By the time the trade deadline rolls around, they will only be marketing a year and a half of his services and the number of suitors might dwindle if some interested clubs fall out of contention. There’s also the ever-present risk of an injury sapping Cease of his trade value.
It was reported back in December that the Sox were being patient with the market, seeing if the interest in Cease picked up after Yoshinobu Yamamoto signed and the clubs that missed on him pivoted. Yamamoto has now signed with the Dodgers, leaving Blake Snell and Jordan Montgomery as the top free agents available but Cease one of the top trade candidates. Pitchers like Corbin Burnes, Shane Bieber and Jesús Luzardo have also been in trade rumors but it’s unclear how open their respective clubs are to offers.
In the case of Cease, the Sox have reportedly been setting a high asking price, which is perhaps why no deal has been consummated as of yet. It was reported last month that the Sox asked the Reds for four of their top prospects, which seemed to put an end to the discussions. The Reds agreed to terms with free agent Frankie Montas on a deal about a week after that report. Whether the Sox will back down from that apparent lofty asking price, or some other club will bite the bullet and meet it, remains to be seen.
The high level of interest and the asking price are both reflections of his immense talent. Over the past three campaigns, he has taken the ball 97 times and produced an earned run average of 3.54 in that time, along with a 29.8% strikeout rate. FanGraphs considered him to be worth a combined 12.6 wins above replacement in those years, the eighth-best tally out of all big league pitchers. His ERA jumped to 4.58 ERA in 2023 but there seems to be little concern about that. His 27.3% strikeout rate was also a couple of ticks below the previous two seasons but he was also held back by his .330 batting average on balls in play and 69.4% strand rate, both of which are on the unlucky side. His 3.72 FIP and 4.10 SIERA suggest he was closer to his previous self than the ERA may indicate.
In addition to his skills, he’s also attractive due to his contractual situation. While frontline starters can secure nine-figure guarantees as free agents, Cease is still in his arbitration years. He is projected by MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz for a salary of $8.8MM and will be due one more raise before he’s slated for free agency after 2025.
Whether the Sox eventually move Cease or not, they will have plenty of question marks in their rotation. Pitchers like Erick Fedde, Michael Kopech, Michael Soroka and Touki Toussaint will be in the mix for jobs but there’s uncertainty with each one of them. Fedde is coming off a tremendous showing in the Korea Baseball Organization but struggled in his MLB career prior to that. Soroka was mediocre in 2023 after missing most of the previous three seasons due to injuries. Kopech and Toussaint have battled significant control problems in their respective careers.
It appears the club is keeping an open mind with their rotation mix, with Crochet set to be built up this year. The lefty has previously expressed an interest in return to a rotation gig and will apparently get some kind of shot in the months to come.
Now 24 years old, Crochet was drafted by the Sox in 2020 and was quickly launched to the majors, making his debut later that same year as a reliever. In 2021, he stuck with the big league bullpen and posted an ERA of 2.82 over 54 appearances. There was some consideration of stretching him out as a starter going into 2022 but he required Tommy John surgery that April and missed the entire campaign. He returned to the Sox last year as a reliever but missed three months of the season due to shoulder inflammation and eventually made just 13 appearances.
Due to his limited workload in recent years, it may not be possible to fully stretch him out in just one season, something Getz acknowledged. Due to the canceled minor leagues in 2020, the Tommy John layoff and then the shoulder troubles, the southpaw has thrown just 73 big league innings over the past four years, as well as another 12 1/3 on rehab assignments in 2023. That would make it difficult for him to suddenly jump to 200 or even 150 innings in 2024, but the club will nonetheless give him some runway to see how it plays out.
“He believes he can be a starter. We’ve seen him be a starter in the past. So we are going to go into spring prepared to stretch him out and we’ll make adjustments along the way if need be,” Getz said. “He hasn’t started in a couple years. So, it’s going to take a little bit of time to appropriately stretch him out. We are going in with the intention for him to be a starter in 2024.” Crochet is eligible for arbitration this winter and is currently slated for free agency after 2026.
Also in the rotation mix will be Flexen, with Getz saying they expect starter’s innings out of him. The righty has worked both as a starter and reliever in recent years, with a disastrous 2023 campaign but better results in the two prior seasons. Over 2021 and 2022, he tossed 317 1/3 innings for the Mariners, with 53 of his 64 appearances coming as a starter. He had a 3.66 ERA in that time, only striking out 16.5% of batters but limiting walks and barrels.
But in 2023, he finished with a 6.86 ERA, splitting his time between the Mariners and Rockies. The Sox decided to overlook that rough showing and gave Flexen a $1.75MM guarantee on a big league deal. Though his performance will ultimately have a bearing on his role, the club appears to be planning on slotting him into the rotation mix.
Turning away from the rotation, Getz also said the club doesn’t have an established right fielder. He mentioned that they have internal options, including non-roster invitees, but that they are looking to make additions. That is a reflection of the poor debut season of Óscar Colás, who was a notable prospect coming into 2023 but struggled badly in his first 75 major league games. He batted .216/.257/.314 in his 263 plate appearances and also received poor grades for his defense. That led to tallies of -1.3 wins above replacement from FanGraphs and -1.5 from Baseball Reference. He still has two option years remaining, allowing the club to keep him in the minors if he doesn’t show signs of significant improvement.
The free agent market still features some notable outfield-capable guys, such as Adam Duvall, Robbie Grossman, Jorge Soler, Tommy Pham, Joc Pederson, David Peralta, Eddie Rosario, Joey Gallo, Whit Merrifield and Randal Grichuk. The trade market could theoretically feature guys such as Randy Arozarena and Max Kepler, though it would be a surprise if a retooling club like the White Sox gave up significant prospects in any deal.
In terms of the internal options who could be battling Colás, Gavin Sheets has had some good hitting results in the past but is coming off a rough season and is considered a poor defender. Brett Phillips was signed to a minor league deal and is a strong defender but weak at the plate. Wynton Bernard and Mark Payton have been signed to minor league deals as well but both of them have less than 70 major league plate appearances. Given those internal options, keeping an eye out for upgrades makes sense, whether that’s a free agent signing, a trade or even just a waiver claim.
Joel P
White Sox really need to move some guys. Trade Cease, Moncada, Kopech and Jiminez. Probably Robert too as long as it’s for a haul. Even in a relatively weak division they have no shot at contention they need to do everything they can to improve their future.
G.M. Ima Scapegoat
I think it’s a situation where they’re hoping for bounce back seasons from most of their assets. Moncada being owed $24 mil this season (plus $5mil buyout) makes him essentially valueless in trades unless he bounces back to his 2019 levels of production and aside from Cease your selling low on most of the other players. And then there’s Benintendi……
Joel P
With Moncada even if he bounces back and they trade him in July they still have to pay him from April to July. Jiminez is making a lot too. You can hope they bounce back but the clock is ticking on all of the names mentioned except Robert and this might be Robert’s peak for all we know.
G.M. Ima Scapegoat
Forbes reported a -$53 mil operating income from 2022, and I don’t imagine when 2023 numbers are released they’re going to much better. Financially they may be motivated to off load anything they can asap.
Still I’ve always wondered what a breakdown of the value of trade returns at the dead line vs offseason would show, if it’s in more favorable for offloading bad contracts or oft injured players.
Joel P
Moncada is an interesting one because he has huge upside but also a huge salary. If he performs really well in 2024 it probably would make more sense for the White Sox to hold onto him. But that’s risky and they gotta pay that salary in the meantime.
I really think they need to go scorched earth and trade everyone.
G.M. Ima Scapegoat
I think the most off putting thing about Moncada is his best season was in the alleged mysterious juiced ball season of 2019. He still managed a 4 War season in 2021 but aside from that being on the hook for any of $30 mil guaranteed to a player who’s been worth a total of 1.6 War over the past 2 years is probably a non starter in trade talks.
Joel P
I think you could sell a team on the idea that Moncada will bounce back. Maybe not 4 win bounce back but some sort of bounce back. And a lot of teams could use 3b help.
Tigers3232
Moncada is just about avg defensively. He’s also going into age 29 season. His career year came in 2019 juiced ball year, not sure any team can be sold on him bouncing back.
Shishka
Wow, I had no idea Moncada was owed that much.
That rebuild of theirs really couldn’t have gone much worse, I actually thought they were putting together a pretty good team at one point.
Franklin
Montana has been a waste since day one. They traded their best third baseman for nothing
roob
Agreed but no one is taking Moncada. I’d like to see them trade Cease, Robert, Jimenez and Vaughn.
They’re gonna lose 100 anyway might as well get a huge load of seriously good young talent.
Maybe, they will completely change their ways and decide to actually develop the talent this time and hire real coaches and managers.
Joel P
Trade value website has Moncada at negative 10 million value and I believe that’s about right. Since he makes 25 that’s 15 million that could be saved by moving him. They should do that and save that money for when it matters.
Franklin
So what drugs are you on? Trade Robert for what? Some more wasted over the hill dead wood?
MikeBSoxFan
This team and management is a disaster. As a life-long Sox fan, I am completely disgusted with how Jerry Reinsdorf has run this once at the very least fun team, into the ground.
Jerry Reinsdorf, AKA The Owner of the Chicago Bulls and White Sox, has tried to relive the Bulls dynasty, by dumping real good money on crappy basketball players since 2005, when the Sox last won the WS. The latest crappy signing, Zach Levine for $255 million dollars, for a guy who’s not even top 100 in the league.
I repeat, the Team and Management are a disaster, and all Sox fans have Jerry Reinsdorf to the thank for it. There will be no winning baseball on the South Side, until he sells the team to someone who cares.
acoss13
Jerry’s not selling the team, he makes good profit on it. Father Time will be the only one that can take care of him, he’s getting on in age too…
This one belongs to the Reds
Father Time is undefeated.
Aiden Awe
Well, it isn’t Pedro’s fault he was given a crap roster to begin with. Pedro could still improve as a manager in 2024. TLR at least survived .500 territory.
richardc
I pretty much agree with everything you said, but saying LaVine isn’t a top 100 player is a bit of a stretch.
He certainly has his warts, but when he’s healthy he’s a solid 25, 5, and 5 just about every game.
He sometimes struggles to play within an offense, but the Bulls have also struggled to find a PG since the unfortunate, crazy injury to Lonzo and White only just now developing.
It’ll be interesting to see how LaVine fits back into this Bulls squad with White’s new emergence.
I, personally, still think this Bulls team can make the playoffs, and think they could give any team a tough series. They will likely lose their first round series, but they definitely look significant better going 13-7 out of their last 20 games.
I really wish we could’ve seen what this squad would’ve looked like with Lonzo, as they were 1st in the East, and that was also primarily without White and P.Williams.
As currently assembled, if healthy, having a starting five of Lonzo, LaVine, Caruso, Derozan, and Vucevic using Colby White 30 minutes off the bench and having J.Carter, Dosunmu, Craig, P.Williams, Drummond, Terry, and Phillips is a pretty quality bench and overall roster.
Unfortunately, without Lonzo, they’re stuck in the Bulls typical barely making the playoffs purgatory, though.
I think the Bulls are actually heading in the right direction, but they definitely need to trade either LaVine or DDD. Whats crazy is that they don’t even have one, single true PF on their entire roster!!! lol
denny816
This team will be lucky with 60 wins. Throw Colas out there everyday and see if he sinks or swims. If he drowns, give Yoelqui Cespedes a shot and if he fails as well, it’s time to start drafting OFers.
Franklin
That’s what they ought to do will all the players. ” Throw them out their and let them sink or swim. Whatever happened to the MERIT SYSTEM. You get paid according to your production
Yankee Clipper
I think the Sox management is in for a hard lesson that many teams have learned recently: when your team struggled and other GMs know that you’ve got to move players for the future of the team, they won’t overpay to the point you want them to.
Over the past several years we’ve seen a return less than what many feel is warranted for good players. Add in that Cease struggled (although not as bad as his ERA suggests) and teams aren’t paying ace-level returns for that.
If the WSox can get the return they want, good for them. But waiting is only going to reduce his value (in addition to potential injury).
Joel P
Both sides need to be fair. I think we saw with the Soto deal if both sides are reasonable a deal will get done. Right now we got a lot of offseason left so there is still time to make a deal. Heck look at the trade values website their sole purpose is to provide value for stuff like this. Its not the end all be all but it’s a start. I think a deal will get done eventually.
roob
I guarantee you that Cease will be traded by February.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, I agree, I just don’t think it will be anything close for what they are asking for, Roob. I doubt that kind of prospect load will be acceptable to anyone with e enough high-level prospects.
roob
Obviously, their ask will come down a notch but it will still be 4 real good pieces mostly prospects.
Franklin
Cease is still of great value to the Sox but JR can’t see that.
kripes-brewers
I don’t see the need for them to move him. Cheap, controlled, very decent starting pitcher at that price. Rotation looks a lot better with him in there. They’re right to want to be blown away. They’d still get a good haul if they waited to next year.
stymeedone
But it will be less of a return, if they wait. They won’t contend with him in 24. They need to maximize their few assets. Whether its as much as they hope for, or not, the best offers will be now, not next year
kripes-brewers
I get it, just wondering who got substantially better in the ALC so far other than a few questionable signings by the Royals? There is no juggernaut.
Tigers3232
Royals and Tigers have added to rosters with alot of young talent. CLE still has a ton of young talent and although MIN has lost some talent they still have a bunch.
White Sox win 61 games with Cease and they ve lost Clevinger. The only plus they have going for them is not having Lynn on mound every 5th day. Just not seeing why there is any reason for optimism with their current roster.
swanhenge
Chisox should be adding. They have a good window right now w lots of cheap, young talent. And if they’d spend, they’d be in the mix.
Liberalsteve
April Fools?
martras
One single position player over 1.4 fWAR last year. One.
Their #2 and #3 rotation arms from last year are gone and their 2nd best position player from last year, Jake Burger was traded mid-season.
There’s nothing to build on. They have 2 good players. Luis Robert and Dylan Cease. After that, mostly just rank and file roster filler.
stymeedone
Just the fact that Jake Burger was their 2nd best player tells you all you need to know. The guy can hit, but that’s his only tool. He should be a DH.
NoNeckWilliams
Do not sell low on Cease and do not sell Robert at all.
martras
Why? The White Sox are a bare minimum 3 years away from being competitive, even if they do trade Cease AND Robert.
NoNeckWilliams
With the improved defense and huge upgrades at catcher, Cease should see his numbers vastly improve over last year. Let him be 8-5 with a 3.5 era at the all-star break, and then move him.
Roberts has a few more years of team control… teams are not going to offer more for him now, than they would in two years, so it makes no sense to move him now.
The pitching will be better than people are predicting, because the defense will be a lot better behind them. Also, Robert is still really young… the type of guy they could extend if they reach .500 in 2025.
martras
Even if we were to take the worst defensive metric available for the White Sox, their defense cost them 20 runs vs average last year, that’s an ERA impact of 0.13. ERA vs. FIP shows the White Sox being 0.17 ERA higher than they should be.
0.17 ERA will not save what looks like the worst team in baseball, hands down.
NoNeckWilliams
“Even if we were to take the worst defensive metric available for the White Sox, their defense cost them 20 runs vs average last year”
Please… Grandal alone cost them more than 20 runs.
Aiden Awe
Improved defense helps with a young pitching staff.
martras
“Please” stop.
Aiden Awe
Realistically in 2025/2026 they should be competing.
Liberalsteve
Lol. Detroit is gonna win 100 games this year
O’sfan222
Call Elias and tell him you want Kremer Stowers Ortiz Wagner and another prospect in the 20’s for cease
cwsOverhaul
Ortiz yes, but insert Westburg and Povich. Very fair and O’s keep their system heavyweights.
Ubaldo Jimenez
Stupid. Westburg and Povich are system heavyweights. Asinine asking price.
cwsOverhaul
No worries. Block those guys in addition to the other top 4-5 and see who bites.
C Yards Jeff
Pretty sure all interested teams have concern with how Dylan’s season output tailed off; including my Orioles.
Here’s the other huge factor for the Bird’s FO. Cease at max is a two year rental. No way in hedoubletoothpicks is owner Angelos going to give POBO Elias the go ahead to sign a pitcher to a multiple year deal … whether it’s a Cease, a Burnes, a Snell and so on.
If Angelos would change his mind then, yes, I could see Elias moving multiple prospects for Dylan. But until that happens, wisely Elias refuses to give up too much
cwsOverhaul
O’s and Reds face same limitations with immensely talented and young lineups. I hope the FOs can take advantage. If the bar for trading multiple prospects that hurt is minimum 3yrs on starter’s deal and on a run of looking like a slam dunk #2 type every year….it doesn’t seem to exist.
Maybe trade 1 legit OF prospect to rent Bieber to limit the downside of farm depth sacrifice.
C Yards Jeff
@cwsOverhaul; like the Bieber angle if Indians are looking for future return. Some circles say they are looking for a thumper or 2, to have the line up on opening day. If that’s the case, don’t know if the Os are a match.
danumd87 2
“Very fair”. lol. The only reason the orioles are open to trading Ortiz is bc they have Westburg. There’s no chance they trade both. That’s also just simply too much to give up for cease. Ortiz, Beavers, Povich – though not meeting the white Sox current asking price that obviously nobody will meet – would all but certainly be more than any other team ends up offering. That would address the white Sox needs at MI, OF and SP while plucking three organizational top 10 prospects from the best farm in baseball. That would be fair. Enough to make the orioles feel it and enough so that the White Sox can save face with their base.
In the alternative, if the White Sox really want that top 25 prospect they can ask the orioles for Cowser but that obviously removes Ortiz from the equation. Maybe Cowser, Povich and a couple way down the system fliers. That would get the white Sox a potential young cornerstone, back end so, and the volume they apparently think they need to appease their base.
C Yards Jeff
Agreed, Ortiz is a trade candidate but not only because of Westburg. The Os FO wisely resigned their starting SS from over the past 2 years (Mateo) and then there’s that Holliday character.
just_thinkin
Getz is full clown mode.
King Floch
It’s nice to see that no one has caved to Getz’s absurd demands for Cease so far. He’s simply not worth 3 top 100 caliber prospects right now, much less 3 top 100 caliber prospects AND another quality piece or two.
I’d definitely like the Orioles to add him but if Getz is unwilling to come down meaningfully from that ask, I have no issues whatsoever with Mike Elias walking away from the table and just going with another innings eater type free agent, then see how the rotation is faring near the deadline.
James Midway
I think Cease is in Chicago through the 24 season
roob
Some team is gonna pay up a nice big haul for him before long. Don’t you worry.
Bruin1012
Unless they come down on their ask for Cease he’s going to start the season with the White Sox. Perhaps they will get real at the deadline when they are out of it and really need to move Cease. The ask they had from the Reds was ridiculous and the Reds moved on no one is going to pay what Getz is asking right now no one.
cwsOverhaul
Reds moved on to a guy coming off injury in Montas for a hefty salary when his brief success coincided with PEDs. That is more than crossing fingers. Same will be true for whoever settles on paying a not so young Stroman in the 15-20 mil range. Guys like Cease/Luzardo/Bieber/long shot Burnes aren’t going to be dealt for expendable parts.
Was Getz reported ask a month ago silly…..absolutely…..but there is a 2-way street where the fans of interested buyers want to believe the sellers must come way down. The 2 lanes this offseason are pay through the nose in FA (even for subpar arms) or pony up a bit more prospect capital than is typically fair.
soxshortstop
John Henry can’t believe he wouldn’t take 15M YEN per year. They are still in shock! Cheap!!! Cheap!!! CHEAP! “FULL THROTTLE” Looking for DIV III Free agents to sign or from the Company softball //whiffle ball league! Any of you guys on the MLBTR message board interested in playing for the BOSOX in 2024?
Bryzzo2016
I feel so bad for White Sox fans. Reinsdorf essentially fired Gar to hire Paxson. 37 of their 40 man roster would be waived on any other team. I legit like the A’s roster better. Reinsdorf has rendered the White Sox an irrelevant small market joke in spite of playing in a major market. Sure, the Northsiders own Chicago BUT that doesn’t stop the Mets or Angels from spending and trying to compete. The White Sox have literally won 3 playoff series in the last 109 years and all 3 were in 2005. But yeah sure, Getz will turn it around.
Aiden Awe
We hope. That playoff stat is true, they only won 5 playoff series in their entire history and only made the playoffs 11 times, though that’s overlooked considering they dominated in the 1950’s, 60’s and 2000’s.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Right, you know the 50s and 60s when there were no wildcards, er divisions, er league playoffs. Bryzzo wouldn’t know this as he first became a baseball fan in 2015 when it was trendy.
Aiden Awe
Exactly.
Dumpster Divin Theo
1951-1967, the White Sox had 17 consecutive winning seasons, 2nd (5×), 3rd (6×). 16 playoff seasons in 17 years with a wildcard. Conversely if we still had pennants only, the following champions would not have even made the playoffs: A’s (73-74), Yankees (77, 81, 96, 00), Phillies (80, 08), Orioles (83), Royals (85), Twins (87), Dodgers (88), Reds (90), Marlins (97, 03), DBacks (01), Angels (02), Red Sox (04), Tigers (06), Giants (10, 12, 14), Cardinals (11), Cheatros (17), Nationals (19), Braves (21), Rangers (23).
Aiden Awe
True.
Atlanta Jack
Cubs article has 336 comments,White Sox article 34. Thanks Mr Riendsdorf.
mad1
Don’t feel bad white sox fans you will play just as many playoff games as cubs in 2024
Dumpster Divin Theo
Both will be Cubs: Completely Useless By September
mad1
Dodgers having Urias criminal charges deferred until 2040
drdback
I guess the Bauer/Urias Dodger School of Dating is still on hold for a while.
IronBallsMcGinty
It was dominated by the Franco School of Dating. “The school that pays YOU”.
soxygen
Not only did the Sox get less value from their right fielders than any other team, but White Sox RF was actually the worst position in baseball. I love that Chris Getz is open to adding there (maybe even from outside the organization!).
Dumpster Divin Theo
“Outfield capable guys?” Is that a thing?
holycow16
The Cubs never “Cease” to amaze me…
Go Cubs Go!!!