The Red Sox turned to a division rival to upgrade behind the plate. Boston announced the acquisition of Danny Jansen for a trio of prospects: infielders Cutter Coffey and Eddinson Paulino and pitcher Gilberto Batista. Boston designated reliever Alex Speas for assignment to open a spot on the 40-man roster.
Jansen is the second impending free agent traded by Toronto in as many days. They sent righty reliever Yimi García to Seattle yesterday.Yusei Kikuchi is a lock to move by next Tuesday, while Trevor Richards, Justin Turner and Kevin Kiermaier could go as well. The Jays have thus far been resistant to trading key players whom they control beyond this season.
The 29-year-old Jansen is the top impending free agent catcher. He once seemed to be running away with that title and looked on track for a three- or four-year deal. That’s not the case anymore, as his bat has wilted over the past couple months. Jansen carried a robust .287/.371/.535 slash line into June. He’s hitting .134/.232/.196 in 112 plate appearances since that point. His walk and strikeout rates are right around average, but he only has one home run and four extra-base hits over the past two months.
Jansen’s overall .212/.303/.369 slash is seven percentage points below league average, as measured by wRC+. That’s fine output for a catcher but below Jansen’s typical level. He was an above-average hitter in all three seasons from 2021-23, combining for a .237/.317/.487 mark in 754 trips to the plate. At his best, Jansen blends a patient approach with good contact skills and double-digit homer power. He’s amidst one of the worst stretches of his career but clearly has the talent to perform better than he has over the past couple months.
Before his recent slump, the biggest knock on Jansen was his lack of availability. He has been on the injured list seven times over the past four seasons due to hamstring, oblique, groin, and hand injuries. Some of those were fluke occurrences suffered on a hit-by-pitch, including a season-opening IL stay this year due to a right wrist fracture sustained in Spring Training. Nevertheless, the injuries have dealt a hit to his value. Jansen has only once reached 90 games in a season. His career high sits at 107 games played and 384 plate appearances back in 2019.
The Red Sox have had one of the more productive catching groups in baseball. They entered play today with a .280/.349/.407 slash at the position. That’s almost entirely because of a breakout year from Connor Wong, who’s hitting .299/.362/.440 in 77 games. Backup Reese McGuire owns a .209/.280/.295 mark over 53 contests. McGuire is out of options and could eventually be squeezed off the roster. Boston will otherwise need to carry three catchers.
Jansen is a quality defender who could split time between catcher and designated hitter. He’s also a right-handed hitter, a stated goal for Boston chief baseball officer Craig Breslow, though he’s been more productive against same-handed pitchers than southpaws over the past few years. The Sox may still look for a more traditional lefty masher who could rotate through the outfield.
The Jays and Jansen agreed to a $5.2MM salary for his final arbitration season. Boston will take on roughly $1.8MM. RosterResource calculates their competitive balance tax number just shy of $220MM. Pushing near $222MM still leaves them with roughly $15MM before reaching the base threshold, so the front office should have plenty of financial margin for future pickups.
Toronto continues its look towards the future. Coffey, a right-handed hitting infielder, was a second-round pick out of high school two seasons ago. The 20-year-old has spent the entire year in High-A, where he owns a .238/.321/.463 slash line. Coffey has drilled 14 homers and 12 doubles in 61 games. He’s walking at a solid 10.3% clip against a slightly elevated 24% strikeout rate. He has played mostly third base with some action at both middle infield spots.
Paulino, 22, ranked 18th on Baseball America’s most recent update of Boston prospects. The native of the Dominican Republic is hitting .263/.349/.391 in 69 games at Double-A Portland. He only has three homers but has decent walk (10.4%) and strikeout (21.6%) numbers. Like Coffey, he has spent the majority of his time at third base and handled all three infield spots to the left of first. He’ll be eligible for the Rule 5 draft next offseason. Batista is a 19-year-old rookie ball pitcher who signed out of the Dominican Republic during the 2022-23 international period.
Speas has kicked around the waiver wire all season. Boston grabbed the hard-throwing righty from the Astros at the end of June. He has spent most of the year in Triple-A, where he’s allowing more than 11 earned runs per nine innings. A former second-round pick of the Rangers, Speas has four major league games under his belt. He runs his fastball into the triple digits but he’s walking more than a batter per inning in the minors. The Sox will likely try to sneak him through waivers in the next few days.
Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic first reported the Jays and Red Sox were in serious discussion on a Jansen deal. Jeff Passan of ESPN confirmed a deal was in place and was first to report Coffey’s inclusion. Mark Feinsand of MLB.com added that the Jays were receiving three prospects in total.
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After Cal Quantrill owned Reese McGuire for J-ing it in a Walmart parking lot, I’d be looking for a new backup catcher too.
Thought it was a Dollar Tree plaza. lol.
Doug – Both wrong, he got busy in a Burger King bathroom.
Maybe He didn’t want to be a distracted driver , so he found the nearest parking lot .
Treejob
Fairly certain the Sox knew about that.
But, when you want to fight someone over mentioning it, making it resurface again. Then you couple that with being doodoo at your job? And it was a Rockies pitcher that owned you?
Everything was coming up Milhouse for Reese.
Fart – Reese’s Catcher ERA is 3.20 while Wong’s is 4.28
That’s a huge difference for two catchers on the same team.
BTW – Jansen’s is 4.70 while Kirk’s is 4.20
You can’t make me fart!
I thought it was a typo of “fact” 😉
I find it disgusting he chose a Walmart to do something like that. A Home Depot would have been acceptable!
Astros – I agree. After all, Home Depot is the “Do It Yourself” store …. right?
My favourite part about the deadline is when fans bring up names of prospects they’ve heard of and then none of them get traded and they say that’s it!
Cool! It’s good that you have things you like, champ.
Thanks Ralph.
His cat’s breath smells like cat food.
It’s going you think you know anything about baseball
Want to workshop that comment a little more?
Take your time.
“This is my swing set. This is my sandbox. I’m not allowed to go in the deep end.”
-ThatsIT
And penguins smell like rotten fish, but I do love them, though.
Does anyone speak imbecile? Need to translate what fart mouth said. Simpleton thinking he knows anything about baseball
@Thatsit? Sorry I don’t speak imbecile, maybe you can find someone that can translate to your native language. Maybe they could translate “it’s going you think you…” from imbecile to English for me.
Perfectly translated. Fart guy proves he’s an imbecile. Great job, now get back to smelling farts or whatever weird disgusting hobby you have.
Thank God, backup catcher was the one glaring obvious weakness that was threatening to hold this team back from a World Series, but not anymore!!!
Dirty – The Red Sox are a hot mess right now, 2-6 against teams that *were* playing very badly …. until they faced the Red Sox.
Defense, starting pitching and relief pitching are all major concerns.
Crawford has now given up 11 ER in his last 2 starts (9 2/3 innings).
O’Neill with the glaring misplay tonight, and Rafaela with the inexcusable “pickoff” at 3B …. don’t think I’ve ever seen a runner tagged out while he was talking to a coach. This is what I’ve been saying all along, he’s got crap for brains.
And to all those people who say Anderson is valuable and “serves a purpose”, look no further than tonight. The way Cora manages his pitching staff, the Red Sox CANNOT afford to carry a crappy mopup-only guy on the roster. He should be able to depend on EVERY reliever he has, because sure enough he will need to use all of them in big situations …. especially during this 28-game stretch of tough competition.
Amen. Jansen blowing the save by giving up doubles to 2 under .200 hitters and then nothing left to pitch but waiver wire guy Anderson and the game was basically over then. Starting pitchers have been nothing but rubbish since the AS break. Another last place finish?
Tampa tearing it all down and the Blue Jays being aggressively mediocre should help keep 3rd place entirely within reach for the Sox. Definitely not getting one of those wild card spots playing the way they have since the break, though.
I was being sarcastic if that wasn’t clear enough. Obviously this team continues to prove it is destined to go nowhere without any type of actual reinforcements for the stretch run.
Also leaves me torn. My preference when the team shows it is capable of being competitive, as they mostly have this year, is always to prioritize trying to win over super future-oriented moves. Not to the total extreme of going completely for broke, obviously don’t want to see the top prospects traded for rentals to help a team on the fringe of the wild card race, but I would like them to go trade from some of the lower rung of the minor league depth to try and get them some actual help for this year. All you gotta do is make the playoffs and anything can happen which is why I should believe you should always make an honest effort to try when it’s within reach.
So I’m not asking or expecting them to go get Tarik Skubal or to have been in on a big flashy name like Jazz Chisholm. That said, if their moves are only going to be to go get James Paxton and Danny Jansen, you might as well admit you’re not trying this year and go find buyers for Kenley Jansen, Nick Pivetta, and Tyler O’Neill. Maybe Wong too now that they went and got Jansen. He can hold down the fort the rest of the year and presumably Teel’s ready to go in 2025.
Shaping up to be yet another confused, frustrating deadline because they won’t pick a definitive lane to be in. If the master plan is to punt everything until the kids start getting called up just freaking tell us that.
Apparently the Sox need four SPa to get through the year cause the front four are toast, not a quality start since AS break and bullpen not much better
I read another article that said McGuire’s time with the Sox may have reached it’s “Climax”….funny stuff. I remember it said he had his pants around his ankles. I guess he was really committed to the act and didn’t leave himself a possibility of a quick getaway.
Let’s say you’ve done something completely imbecilic in your past and hope to move on. But a few years later, somebody taunts you with it. Do you put your head down and accept the comment? Or blow it up into a national incident, guaranteeing that it makes the press?
Choices, choices…
I called it, McGuire on the way out.
And of all the catchers you could get, it HAS to be another Yankee killer….. ugh.
But it will be nice to see the Jansen brothers on the same team.
Avenger – You just reminded me of a great movie, Steve Martin’s “The Jerk”.. LOL
Dare I say, the Red Sox got themselves another Yankee Clipper? Where is Randall Grichuk these days?
I guess the handwriting was on the wall when McGuire didn’t started against a righty tonight. That said, I’m in the minority as this doesn’t do much in my view to improve the club.
Dewey, it’s doesn’t and you are correct.
Its happening, I’m wondering if they got him to flip in a bigger deal.
I don’t think Boston is done, this allows them to offer Wong in a trade so I don’t think McGuire gets cut until after the deadline if Wong isn’t traded. You seriously could offer Wong and Abreu and get a real quality starting pitcher. Story is close to being back so Raffela will he back in CF with Duran and O’Neil at the corners, Refsnyder being the 4th OF it makes sense to me. That would make this move a great move…..
That would make more sense Dewey.
bum – I don’t see Wong being traded. He’s a righty, the whole purpose of acquiring Jansen is to get another righty bat. McGuire is a lefty, they have plenty of those already. And of course Wong is the much better hitter, even with his current slump.
And to all those people who say Anderson is valuable and “serves a purpose”, look no further than tonight. The way Cora manages his pitching staff, the Red Sox CANNOT afford to carry a crappy mopup-only guy on the roster. He should be able to depend on EVERY reliever he has, because sure enough he will need to use all of them in big situations …. especially during this 28-game stretch of tough competition.
Sox need relief help, and fast.
dewey – Doubtful, it would be a 3-way trade if that were the case.
No team would acquire a player they plan to flip right away, because then they risk the 3rd team backing out on them.
dewey – I approve of the trade because Jansen’s upside is far greater than McGuire’s.
But sure enough the Sox still need to get a REAL righty power hitter, preferably someone who can play 2B.
acoss – Even if he plays in all 5 games against the Yankees this season, the Sox still need to improve the offense against LHP.
Fever I would of honestly DFA’d Anderson immediately after that performance. It was like they found the weakest link, good bye. Then again Anderson isn’t pitching the 10th, I’m having Jansen go 2 innings, I need that game.
Where do you get your information. Story close to coming back smh what? He is done for the year. The Sox are not trading Wong he is one of the reasons they are where they are.
I think what they can do now is put Jansen at catcher and Wong at 1B which makes the line up more RH. So, it might be Dom Smith getting DFA’d.
They are done. Maybe not mathematically yet, but their pitching is a hot mess right now, their manager is a joke and now we have the McGuire thing going on. Somehow, someway, the Red Sox always give the rest of the country something to laugh about.
google.com/amp/s/www.bostonherald.com/2024/07/26/c…
Story believes his rehab is going really well now and his goal is to be back this year
Is it enough of an upgrade to give up the prospects, even if they were not any known commodities? Seems like they have bigger needs.
Boston parking lots about to get some action
But is this the right handed bat so talked about??? Gosh I hope not…
Jansen is actually an above average bat with power. If you can get league average at catcher your doing pretty good. Generally this is the easiest place to add offence
His numbers are slightly down this season but with no line up protection this year it’s not hard to see y
Per Ian Browne on X:
Just caught up with Craig Breslow via text: “Danny gives us a right handed bat that should play very well at Fenway. He hits the ball really hard and in the air, which is especially advantageous in our ballpark. We liked our catching situation coming into the deadline but saw an opportunity to strengthen that group.”
I think we may see Jansen to catcher and Wong to 1B which makes the line up more RH and Wong is a better better than Dom Smith.
*better hitter or maybe Wong will platoon with Smith at 1B
Slightly?
Wong could also platoon with Hamilton at 2B and Romy Gonzalez can platoon with Smith at 1B.
I agree. I hope this is not the only offensive upgrade they make.
Lots of early trade deadline action.
Most I remember this early.
Perhaps they are following in the NHlL GM shoes.
Last year or year before there was a lot of action 3 4 days out and then the day before was really slow until the evening. Stood out as being different.
This year was different because so many teams were on the bubble they wanted to wait for 2 series after all star break to really decide. Until Thursday the stove wasn’t just not hot or cold but broken.
Ok red sox
I honestly still can’t believe that they are allowing Atkins to make these trades.
10009%
I understand trading Danny (without seeing the return) but I really wish he would re-sign with the Jays in the offseason. I’ll miss him.
@shane
Have a look at the potential FA catchers this offseason. The Jays should be looking to lock him up, not trade him away.
I should clarify that I understand they are trying to get what they can for players that have value on expiring deals. I agree, he’s one of my favourite recent Jays. As it sits right Atkins had three catchers to trade and he sent the wrong ones packing. He is not a popular man in Toronto.
I’ll let you in on a little secret they could still sign him in the offseason
@mcase7187
They should have extended him before it got to this. If the Jays FO is serious about going for it in ’25 they’re going to need Jansen (or the like) to be competitive. The return is no where ready to be of any assistance in that ’25 run. If they’re going after him in FA so are a few other teams namely the red Sox. If they don’t land him in FA, there are the Yan Gomes types and lesser catchers to be the back up to Kirk.
This is a bad trade because it is unnecessary because of risk of losing Jansen to another team and the return won’t help next year.
Im really hoping that at the very least Click is in charge of the deadline and Atkins will be let go in the offseason
Scares the hell out of me shapiro and useless atkins are involved ….
Agreed. They traded the wrong catcher again, imo
Kirk is the worst starting catcher in the league, so I don’t think we should’ve expected a team to trade for him.
@scissormetimbers
Kirk just might be the Jays starting catcher in ’25.
No they didn’t….they traded the right catcher they just waited two years to late to trade him. Jansen is far from “quality defender” just look up his defensive stats and outside of blocking he is below average defender (and has been since 2019).
As for his offense, it is very streaky and lacks production. He has the lowest amount of RBIs on the team,of the everyday players that were not call-ups.
The wrong catcher was traded to the DBacks.
Darth – Look up Kirk’s Catcher ERA and then look up Jansen’s.
Kirk does a better job handling the pitching staff, which is the #1 priority for all catchers.
Can you really use catcher ERA that way anymore? It used to be thought of as a game calling stat, but with pitchcom now, I’m not sure you can isolate it to that. Kirk generally catches Bassitt who calls his own games. What Kirk does that might lead to the better cERA is steal strikes with his framing. I have a hard time with defensive stats for catchers. It seems to be a really hard position to really measure objectively. There’s been a fair bit of talk in Toronto that the pitching staff likes throwing to Jansen and trusts him. But I sometimes wonder if that’s really just par for the course chatter you find across the game.
Perhaps the staff likes the way Jansen communicates and sets a tone. Only the pitchers know that answer.
As for pitcher ERA, prior to David Price arriving in 2015, it was clear that pitchers pitched much better to Navarro than Russell Martin. It was a big discrepancy at the time that shrunk once Price came in. Part of the problem might’ve been Martin’s relentless work to catch Dickey and put a lot of focus on that. Because in 2016 Martin handled the staff incredibly well.
The Rays seem to be getting better returns for their players. I always feel the Jays are getting fleeced. Maybe it’s got to do with previous trades or getting strung along by Otani’s agent….
A two month rental to upgrade from McGuire? Hope they don’t overpay.
Mismanagement incompetence unethical to trade ur starting catcher within your own division 13 times unbelievable unacceptable Atkins has no legal right moral right to trade free agents when eventually later on he will be dismissed fired
What?
learn to comprehend grammar school would be helpful
You’re calling someone else out for grammar when you clearly have no concept of what punctuation is? Or is this some kind of stream-of-consciousness experiment? Either way, you look ridiculous.
You’re that mad that he’ll be with the Red Sox for two months when jays are in last place? Maybe save your panic attack for when you see the return?
Sad to See Danny go. He could go on one of his hot streaks and 10 homeruns in 15 days. He is one of the best at blocking the ball.
He would be the 1a….not the back up.
Sell, sell, sell!
If this trade goes through I’m going to be very interested in seeing who the Red Sox give up. Red Sox have Avery deep farm system but there are guys that I don’t want to see traded especially for a rental like Jansen. This will tell me a lot about Breslow depending on whom he trades.
Cutter coffey. Some athleticism, but far from the majors and no reason to believe he will make it.
Three prospects for a rental seems steep
Depends what three. If Coffey is the most talented, I’m not losing sleep over it. The Red Sox have a lot of cuts to make to get under the DRL limit.
tff17: Agreed. I believe they need to shed about 8 prospects to get under the limit.
Bruin – This is what happens when you stockpile prospects, can’t hold onto all of them forever. I’m fine with the trade, Jansen has a lot more upside than McGuire and they are both the same age.
Agreed, and while you never know for sure what a prospect will become, there is NO REASON to believe that any of these three will ever be significant.
Paulino could become the next Hamilton (less speed, slightly more power, questionable defense), and he is young for the level, but he is still two steps from the majors and needs a 40-man roster spot NOW.
Coffey is hitting .238 with an elevated strikeout rate in Greenville, three steps from the majors and not showing the kind of success (in his second year at the level) that merits promotion to AA. .He gets listed as a SS, sometimes, but isn’t going to stick there — more likely he ends up as a 3B with decent defense but below average hit tool and power. You might remember his epic week in June, with 7 HR in 6 G? Yet in the month since he has hit just .245/.333/.398.
Batista is just another FCL arm, with 13 BB in 20 IP. Probably Division II colleges that play at a higher level than the FCL, the talent there is very spotty, so real prospects tend to dominate.
The kid they gave up for Paxton probably has a better chance than any of them of earning a starting job in the majors, and he’s just a 16 year old kid with a decent batting eye and some athleticism. I.e. a lottery ticket.
End result, the Red Sox still have all of their 45-grade talents, the guys who are somewhat projectable, and they still have a long list of marginal athletes who might some day become something but probably won’t.
Ttff I’m not upset that they traded those three prospects two of which are hopelessly blocked but who they traded those three for. Imo it’s a bit of a waste especially if one or two of them could have been the kicker for an impact arm. The Red Sox have an extremely deep farm system but Coffey is probably a top 20 prospect in the Blue Jays org right away it just seems like Coffee and a kicker Bautista was enough for a struggling Jansen on an expiring contract.
I think the Red Sox will add an impact arm probably on a deal around Yorke who’s also blocked but still Jansen just doesn’t move the needle much for me the more I think about it. I realize that the Red Sox have to lose like 8 guys to get under the the 165 limit of minor leaguers on the non dsl league minor league teams but still I’m going to be pissed if they end up trading a guy like Arias or ERC if they didn’t have to because they traded Coffey for a catcher on an expiring contract who hitting terribly in the last couple of months.
Bruin: I think the Blue Jays may have insisted on an overpay for a trade within the division, or at least something that looks like a big haul/overpay.
I’ll reserve judgement until I see what happens from here on out until the end of the deadline.
Arias may be a top ten prospect! I know he is far from the majors, but he is MUCH better than a mere “kicker”. Kid has a lot of helium, so the rankings are going to trail his performance this year. See where he lands in the off-season rankings?
I like Jansen, and don’t place too much weight on his recent performance. Think there is a really good chance that his bat finds new life, and he is a step up defensively over our current platoon. Wong gives away a lot of strike calls with his receiving style.
Could definitely imagine Yorke, Lugo, or Jordan being moved. All three have at least as much cachet as Coffey or Paulino. Would rather they move Guerrero than ERC.
It just depends on who Boston targets. Yorke is a much better prospect then any of the guys moved. He’s a big league 2nd Baseman imo. Lugo and Jordan are both better prospects than Coffey or Paulino. I’m ok moving all three of those guys in the right deal. Guerrero is a relief prospect ERC has big league starter stuff. I could easily see Arias, Cespedes, and ERC breaking into the top 100 prospects. The Red Sox have a lot of pitching coming Paez, Dean, Valera, Early all are taking big leaps there’s at least a half dozen more pitching prospects on the way. I’m also very intrigued by the kid Breslow signed Dalvinson Reyes 6’5 200 pound strike thrower with huge projection. It’s a very exciting time to be a Red Sox farm follower.
tff and Bruin: I saw this on soxprkspects.com:
Coffey slashed .210/.325/.315 last year. (.262 BAbip)
This year
First 131 PA: .186/.260/.331 (.225 BAbip)
Next 68 PA: .397/.485/.914 (.378 BAbip)
Last 72 PA: .188/.278/.297 (.244 BAbip)
In A ball in 2023 he somehow slashed .226/.341/.348 despite having a LD% of 29.4%. He literally had more LDs than FBs. For the year, he was at 42.6% GB%, 27.6% FB%, 24.6% LD%, and a 5.1% HR/FB%.
This year, his GB% is 46.2%, FB% 33.5%, LD% 19.7%. His HR/FB% is at a ridiculous 24.1%. The MLB league average is slightly below 10%.
If you give him an average HR/FB%, his numbers drop to .208/.295/.330 instead of .238/.321/.463.
So unless you think Coffey is going to have a 24.1% HR/FB%, I’m not sure why anyone is dreading the loss of Cutter Coffey
*soxprospects.com
Coffey had a crazy week with 7 home runs in 6 games. Other than that he has been broadly disappointing.
Like I said All its not the loss of those guys it’s who they were traded for that potentially I don’t like. As I said earlier we will see after the deadline. I’m hoping that Boston doesn’t trade any of the big 4 Mayer, Anthony, Tell or Campbell unless it’s for high end controllable impact pitching.
Bruin: Agreed. I think they will keep their best prospects unless they can get equal or better value back.
Bruin – Hafta admit the fact Breslow already jumped on the 3 things they were seeking (RHB, SP, RP) does not bode well for additional higher quality players that fit those same needs.
Nice bat , but pull happy. built for Fenway
They seem to love those “pull happy” guys from Toronto I’m just surprised it’s in the ballpark
mcase – The Red Sox are looking at Jansen as this year’s Steve Pearce.
The only problem, Pearce was a very good hitter at the time.
McGuire was “pull” happy with his bat too
Turned out to be a stiff
Changing the Blue Jays uni image to the BP reds. Kind of lame.
Nobody trades for catchers at the deadline. What is the point of this trade?
Ignorant – Replacing a poor performing lefthanded bat with a much needed righthand bat. And now they can use McGuire in another trade.
It’s classic Red Sox, taking a flyer on someone who has performed like crap since June and hope he turns things around.
The 2022 Houston Astros come to mind, though Christian Vázquez stayed as backup to Maldonado for the most part.
Jansen hasn’t had a great couple months, but when he is on he is an impact bat. If he gets hot he can be slotted into the DH spot or just take over the starting role in Boston.
Astros traded for Christian vazquez at the ‘22 deadline and he caught a WS no hitter and knocked in a KO insurance run in the clincher. Thats pretty good if you are into things like that.
They should have just played Maldy.
Stros – I’m not into .585 OPS hitters, which is what Vaz was with the Astros.
They do now. Technology allows catchers to learn staff much faster.
Another great great Atkins decision. He traded Moreno kept Jansen, Now he has neither brilliant.
Not sure why so many people think jays FO had the luxury of choosing to include kirk or jano in that trade. I have no use for atkins, but he obviously wouldn’t have traded gabby if one of jano or kirk got that deal done. That narrative has gotta end.
Shows lack of planning. Unless the analytics have Speedy Kirk rated off the charts… Moreno was the future…his last year playoff performance was premature
Agreed. The Varsho trade looks even more horrible now. Good defense but he hits like garbage and he wasn’t worth both Moreno and Gurriel Jr. I can’t believe that anyone thought that was a good idea. That trade SHOULD have been Kirk and Gurriel Jr. for Varsho and someone else. Atkins needs to get fired for this trade especially.
Jansen, if handled correctly, could easily go on a hot streak and be a powerful impact bat. And he is a plus defender behind the plate. The Red Sox did well to get him.
assuming this trade goes through and McGuire is let go/traded etc…wonder if the Sox will give Wong more reps at DH and 1b, and bring up Heineman or Teel (who I’d rather see- having a great season in Portland) as backup/3rd catcher.
they are sending PLAYERS (plural) for Jansen? he’s not THAT good..is he?
No he’s not
Is Coffey even a top-30 prospect?
depends on what source you look at… but Coffey has some pop in his bat (14 HR) playing for Greenville in the Sally league.
Coffey is hopelessly blocked in this org it’s the other two that I want to know about. Seems like Coffey for Jansen should have been enough especially with how poorly he has hit over the last month.
Paulino is Rule 5 eligible this year and not somebody I would waste a 40 man roster spot on. Batista is just an FCL kid with a fastball and no command. They drafted something like 14 college pitchers, and so don’t have roster space in A ball to mess around with guys who aren’t going to contribute some day.
Coffey is the biggest loss, and he’s more of a project than a prospect. Some tools but a long way to go to become a decent ML player.
Good recap.
Paulino I think is ranked #18. Coffey is unranked.
Yep trade Gabe Moreno for Varsho makes so much more sense now.
Three prospects for Jansen? My guess is that they are not rated and extreme lottery tickets
@TennVol
My guess as well.
Breslow picked a lane!
Hope Breslow is working on another trade with someone who wants a backup cheap C for 2025.
3 prospects. This is sounding like a over pay. Await further details.
Cutter Coffey is a true prospect. Trading him for a rental at a position you don’t particularly need help at is a weird move.
Agree. They didn’t give up much. Quantity easily replaced guys. But still 3 prospects. I like the trade. Just not as impactful for Boston as a it would be for more catcher hungry team. Jansen is good though and can be better.
If Wong gets hurt after the trade deadline, McGuire as your everyday catcher is a bad position for a team chasing a playoff spot to be in. Better to sacrifice a long shot prospect at a position of depth to get some insurance.
Red Sox have a pretty good catcher already in Connor Wong, so Jansen doesn’t have to be the guy, maybe he catches on fire.
I guess the red Sox only want one z
Kutter in their organization.
I would expect Jansen to take all of McGuire’s PT, and enough from Wong to help him stay fresh. Wong has been awful recently, seems to be wearing down.
He might in the beginning but by the end of August he will be the bacup if not third string catcher, depending on how many catchers they keep on the roster. By the end on September, if he is not hitting, he will be left off the playoff roster, if he is not DFAed before then.
Wongs offense has really dipped in the last month
Yeah, happened last year too. He is a bit undersized for an every day catcher, so acquiring somebody who can share the duties a little more evenly with him ought to help.
People say he is a rental.Is Teel the back up next year?Do they resign Jansen for say 2 years.Let Teel come up in 2 years.Or do people know Teel will be the next Hitting Catcher like Piazza or Defensive catcher like Pudge Rodriguez?Catching is good to have.If Teel does knock down the door Trade Wong or Jansen then.
Teel is close to being major league ready today. I would expect Teel and Wong to handle catching duties next year.
Feel is coming quick he’s a line drive hitting machine he will probably be in AAA Worcester at some time this season. He will probably be up in 2025 at some point he isn’t going to take 2 years. I’m not really sure why they are getting Jansen he has hit abysmally according to statistics the last month. I’ll wait to until we see what else happens to cast judgement.
Bruin – It’s all for show, all aesthetics.
The Sox can do nothing for the next 3 days and still say they improved the team by acquiring Paxton and Jansen. See how that works?
I do think they will acquire at least one relief pitcher, but not holding my breath that he will have an ERA under 4.
Chaim Bloom, is that you?
Eh… I’m not crazy about this. As long as it doesn’t turn out as poorly as, say, Eric Gagne, then I guess it’s whatever.
Bass – The worst part about the Gagne trade is Theo knew he was a juicer and still decided to trade for him anyway.
One of many dumb moves by Theo.
Fever: Bronson Arroyo for Willy Mo Pena’ took the cake in my opinion
B Dog – YES!!! That one was karma. Bronson took a steep hometown discount to sign an extension because he really loved pitching for the Sox and then Theo traded him right after.
Theo got what he deserved.
Fever: That was complete BS move . You remember that other reliever from the Pirates Saurbeck that was another bust of a trade.
Fever : I liked Theo . It goes to show no one is perfect he had his share of bad moves . It seems like everyone forgets that , but tosses DD under the knife.
Darn….i was hoping the Jays would extend him…and trade Kirk.
Breslow got fleeced.
Sad to see Janny go from the Jays. Quality ballplayer and person. It had to happen. Atkins appeared to get decent return.
This seems like a steep price for a rental Coffey and Paulino are blocked but seems like they could have got a relief arm for this package of prospects. I think it’s a mild overpay by Breslow for 2 months of Jansen.
Might be a mild overpay, but Paulino is thoroughly blocked and eligible for the Rule 5. Coffey is still a year away from that, somebody I might have liked to watch develop a little longer, but not a top 20 prospect.
They still have plenty of chips that they need to move to clear roster space, especially those eligible for the Rule 5.
5 years down the road we can trade for Coffey.He will blossom and Fans will be screaming for us to get him.
That is the best part of the trades made.If you messed up the trade,you can always trade for the player back.Like the Yankees want to do for Taillon.
Why? That have a good starting catcher. He doesn’t hit well enough to be a DH. Head scratcher.
He’s a lot better pickup/value traded than the Yankees nearly pointless Jazz deal.
Uh OK. Seems like he’ll be a 2nd string catcher and then a FA whereas Jazz will be a Yankee starter through 2026.
Nice return; I think M’s gotta be calling for Turner.
Can he play 1B maybe?
Any Red Sox fan have any info on the three prospects coming the Jays way? None are rated prospects from what I can tell.
As a Red Sox fan this has me panicking somewhat, they just paid more for a rental backup catcher than the Yankees did for Chisholm, and likewise with what the Phillies gave up for a great reliever in Estevez when we desperately need more arms. I’m really surprised this deal included a top 15 prospect in Paulino.
Yikes!
The Phillies gave up 2 young pitchers for Estevez. Their # 5 and 7 prospects. There really is no comparison. Paulino is no higher than #18 on any list after mid season updates and he wasnt going to be protected in this years rule 5. So Toronto received a slight overpay and the Sox turned a player they were gonna lose anyway into a useful player. Jansen is definitely better than McGuire and the Red Sox will not miss the prospects at all. I see these deals as in addition to another starter, rh bat, and relief arm. Sox are not done shopping. If nothing else they still have a ton more rule 5 capital to spend on improving the margins
IMO, I think what some fans miss is that trades like this, or Philly picking up Hays, doesn’t impact their ability to make additional trades. Again, just like with Hays, it is a modest improvement at a low cost.
Sox fans, you are getting a piece of the Jays foundation in Jansen. hope he goes on one of his tears for you. he will be missed.
Why? Was this needed? Did this address a need or make a sizable upgrade? I don’t see it. Help me. Were we struggling for back up level catching?
william – It’s the righthanded bat that Breslow insisted they would acquire.
He may still acquire another, but this way if he doesn’t he still has this one.
Reese about to get tossed off of the roster?
Reese will be an attendant at an adult theatre within a week.
Bob – You mean like Pee Wee Herman?
So they would call him Pee Wee Reese?
Attendant or attendee?
Better than McGuire and can take some DH ABs against tough lefties. Same as the Paxson pickup, a minor upgrade at a minor cost.
Fair trade. Type of prospects you want to part with for a rental so Boston did well and Jays as well since they got 3 of em.
Red Sox had bigger needs than a backup catcher. But hey, Jays fans should be pleased with the return. The mistake was made when they traded Moreno. Can’t take that one back.
@its_happening
It was a bad trade. None of what came back is going to help them for a run next year.
I’m shocked the Jays got 3 players back. Thats how little value Jansen is (to me) factoring his injury history, Boston’s lack of need, Jansen’s overall production. Now I really want to know what the offers were for Jansen prior to the Moreno trade.
Maybe Varsho goes back behind the plate? (Probably not)
Definitely not. He’s the CF next year even though the Jays should be shopping him.
One of many mistakes made by shapiro and useless GM atkins….!
Hope there’s another team that wants McGuire since I don’t see them carrying 3 catchers.
team – Catchers are always in demand, I don’t think the Sox will have a problem trading McGuire.
Fever – fingers crossed…Breslow has 57 hours to unload McGuire (not to mention get two relief pitchers) !!
Jason Adam from Rays to Padres…Would have been a good add for Red Sox. Come on Breslow, please focus on something other than third catcher…
I want to be excited for this but beyond the fact that Jansen hits right handed this seems like a lateral move at best.
I imagine McGuire is heading out of town because there is no way this roster can carry 3 Catchers unless they plan on using Wong at 2B more often. Hopefully they can get at least a lotto ticket for McGuire rather than just DFA’ing him off the roster
It doesn’t really take a rocket scientist to see we need a front line starter. Or some relief help also…
What’s the story on Reese ?
McGuire and Anderson were both DFA
Unless you mean the other story? That’s old news…
First round pick turned out to be known as a stiff