The White Sox lost again on Monday, dropping a 5-3 contest to the Guardians. Chicago didn’t have a baserunner until the seventh inning against rookie Joey Cantillo in a game that dropped them to a staggering 33-112. They’re now just eight losses away from matching the 1962 Mets for most in a season since 1900. They’d need to go 9-8 to avoid setting the modern era record.
Sox general manager Chris Getz met with the team’s beat before Monday’s game. The GM said he’d “have been a little surprised” if he were informed coming into the season that the Sox could — and, at this point, seem quite likely to — set the loss record (link via Jesse Rogers of ESPN). However, Getz implied that he did anticipate one of the worst seasons in franchise history.
“Now if you would have told me prior to the year that we would have ended up with over 100 losses, 105, 110, I wouldn’t have been as surprised,” he told reporters. “But this is the cards that we’ve been dealt at this point. You try to make the best of it, and I think it’s an opportunity to embrace the situation that we’re in.” Before this year, the Sox’s franchise high was the 106 losses they posted in 1970.
That situation is of the Sox’s own making, of course. Getz had been assistant general manager under Kenny Williams and Rick Hahn until that duo was fired shortly after the 2023 trade deadline. Owner Jerry Reinsdorf tabbed Getz to take over baseball operations not long thereafter. The White Sox were already fully amidst a teardown by the time Getz took the reins.
Bright spots on a team that’ll probably lose 120 games are obviously few and far between. Getz unsurprisingly pointed to Garrett Crochet’s breakout as a starting pitcher when asked about his favorite development of the season. Chicago made a risky decision to give the hard-throwing southpaw a rotation job despite his limited workload coming into the year. Yet that turned out to be an excellent call, as Crochet has turned in a 3.83 ERA while striking out nearly 35% of opponents through 29 starts. The Sox have eased up on his workload in the second half, but Crochet should top 140 innings after entering the year with all of 85 1/3 professional frames.
Fantastic as Crochet has pitched, the Sox weren’t able to find an offer to their liking at the deadline. Their trade talks were complicated by the lefty’s camp angling for an extension as a condition of continuing to pitch into October with a new team. Getz and his staff will no doubt field a ton of interest in the 25-year-old during the upcoming winter.
Crochet will probably be the offseason’s top trade candidate. Getz acknowledged they’ll explore the market on the former first-round pick, who is eligible for arbitration for two seasons after this one. “The reality of baseball and where we’re at as an organization, you need to look at the types of return you could potentially get in trades,” Getz said (link via Daryl Van Schouwen of the Chicago Sun-Times). “We need to weigh where we’re going to be in a year or two years, but we also know how talented he is, and he can certainly lead a rotation with the White Sox or anyone else. So we’re going to take advantage of what he’s capable of doing as a starter. But also it’s wise to see what the market holds for Garrett Crochet to see if we can improve the White Sox for the future.”
Getz added that the Sox are not “actively shopping” Crochet, though there’s probably not much distinction in practice. Virtually every contender figures to gauge the Sox’s asking price. Chicago is almost certainly not going to be competitive in either of the next two seasons. There’s no indication that an extension is particularly likely. That would require ownership to sign off on a larger deal than the franchise-record $75MM Andrew Benintendi contract.
The Sox could choose to hold Crochet until the 2025 deadline. If he’s healthy and pitching at a top-of-the-rotation level, he could be the best starter available next summer. Holding him incurs the risk of an early-season injury or, less likely, a sharp drop in performance. An offseason trade seems probable now that Crochet has addressed a lot of the questions about his ability to hold up as a starter. An acquiring team could realistically expect him to build to 160-170 innings in his second full season from the rotation.
[Related: What Might It Cost To Extend Garrett Crochet?]
While a Crochet trade would probably be the Sox’s biggest move of the offseason, it won’t be their first major decision. Getz is leading a managerial search for the first time after the team fired Pedro Grifol a month ago. The Sox announced at the time that they expected their next hire would come from outside the organization. That remains the case, as Getz made clear they’re searching among “candidates that are in uniform with other organizations right now” (relayed by Jay Cohen of the Associated Press). The Sox have gone 5-23 since hiring Grady Sizemore on an interim basis.
In a separate piece at the Sun-Times, Van Shouwen suggests the White Sox could make a run at Skip Schumaker. The 2023 NL Manager of the Year will be out of contract at the end of the season. It is widely expected that he and the Marlins will part ways. Miami agreed to void a ’25 club option on Schumaker’s contract after the manager expressed his frustration with the decision to fire former GM Kim Ng. The Marlins almost immediately kicked off a multi-year rebuild under new baseball operations president Peter Bendix.
Whether Schumaker would have any interest in jumping to a Chicago team that is in an even worse short-term position isn’t clear. Perhaps that’ll depend on which other managerial positions open over the next couple months. Getz declined to narrow a timeline for the Sox hiring, though he said they have not begun to reach out to other teams about getting permission to interview personnel who are currently under contract.
Mustard Tiger
Getz should be discussing his next job.
Big whiffa
For the sake of ws fans and competitive balance, hopefully this is the last we hear from him as baseball personnel
Same goes for David Bell
Very Barry
Noah Schulz and Hagen Smith are both legit #1 starter prospects. Drew Thorpe is already in the rotation. Jairo Iriarte and Mason Adams are two more arms who have a chance. We should expect to add at least one more big-time arm to this group with the Crochet trade.
George Wolkow is a 19-year stud who is rising fast! Edgar Quero holds promise as the catcher of the future. Colson Montgomery is still on the farm. We still got Luis Robert and $$$ to spend. Not a lot of dollars, but we got Moncada coming off the books.
This is set up to turn around quickly. I am rocking with Chris Getz for now.
lesterdnightfly
“This is set up to turn around quickly. I am rocking with Chris Getz for now.”
The rest of us see a very rickety rocking chair that is about to fall about and tip over.
That’s the “turnaround” you are headed for.
The Natural
Na Na Na Na………….NaNaNaNa…….Hey Heeeey…..Good Bye.
Michael Chaney
Thorpe was in the rotation this year, but he also wasn’t any good. I’m a fan of his long term, but him making consistent major league starts this year says more about the state of the White Sox than it says about him.
I’m not a White Sox fan so I’m sure you know more about their system than I do, and Smith and Schultz are definitely good prospects (especially considering their success developing lefties in that mold). But you could genuinely list a few interesting prospects in every organization, so that doesn’t mean much on its own. They also haven’t gotten great return on the players Getz has moved. The guys they got back for Bummer, for instance, have basically just filled roster spots. They were supposed to add depth to the organization, but Shuster and Soroka have been terrible, Lopez is what he is, and without looking it up I don’t even know if Shewmake has played in the majors this year over clearly established stars like Lenyn Sosa and Jacob Amaya. Colson Montgomery should have been up because he’s more talented than all of them, but considering Getz comes from a player development background it feels concerning that he struggled in AAA for most of the year.
To me personally, I don’t know how they decided to clean house and fire Hahn and Kenny but still chose to promote the guy who learned from both of them. They needed someone from outside the organization with new perspectives.
Mynameisnoname
7 prospects of 50 FV or better is solid, but I’d temper the quick turnaround.
Being in a frugal spending division certainly helps and maybe they had a 65 FV with the number 1 overall pick.
Still, these types of asset based rebuilds usually take four or five years of catastrophe at the MLB level before retooling is sufficient enough to be a contender.
Michael Chaney
@myname They can’t even get the first pick next year because the new lottery rules mean they can’t pick higher than 10th. I actually feel bad for them because that’s pretty unfortunate lol
Mynameisnoname
@mc Thanks for the heads up. I just brushed up on the assessment based lottery rules.
That would be a massive bummer for any fan. I understand the protectionism there, but being ineligible until the very end of the top 10 seems too stiff. Maybe, top 2 or 3 ineligible for a flailing big market team- but anyway thanks again for the info.
JoeBrady
being ineligible until the very end of the top 10 seems too stiff.
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IMO, it is an awful rule. The WS are the worst team in history, and now they get punished by not getting a good pick? I don’t see who that helps.
Banix12
Getz wouldn’t have been considered for a GM job by any other organization. His poor track record in player development never warranted this promotion.
That he got this job just points to the organizational rot and the cronyism that has plagued this organization throughout the Kenny Williams era.
So far I’ve not been impressed with Getz’ trades or his handling of this years team.
We’re probably stuck with him for awhile so hopefully he proves me wrong and he’s more competent than he seems.
Aiden Awe
Yep to the last sentence.
jsklfc
Excellent points but let’s be clear, you mean Reinsdorf not KW. That cronyism comes from above Kenny, he was not responsible for promoting Getz as he and Hahn were fired to make way for him.
Banix12
Certainly Reinsdorf breeds a lot of this in the organization.
I though look back on the previous GM which was Ron schuler in the ’90s. That era wasn’t nearly as insular and unwilling to look outside the organization for ideas and talent.
Diabetic Rockstar
Prospects are akin to Megamillions lotto tickets. Every once in a while you might get a small payout, you might even find a generational talent and hit the jackpot once or twice over a few decades…but the majority of the names you list will never see 100 innings in the majors, and even less will do so with the Sox. That’s just reality. For every Baltimore Orioles you have teams like Pittsburgh and Miami that seem to always have boatloads of high ranked prospects that eventually turn into different younger prospects and so on and so on.
Chicago needs a huge eraser and expunge the entire operations, scouting and front offices, and start fresh. The entire organizational approach has to be rebuilt piece by piece. And you can’t do that without an infusion of new voices from outside the inner circle of ownership
Unclemike1525
That’s a big crock of S**T.. Prospects are the way forward for both Chicago teams. The Sox only spend on cheap FA’s and the Cubs spend like drunken sailors on shore leave and then when they need to make a move at the deadline all of the sudden the Tax is now in play. Both teams need a dose of reality.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Getz would but hes at a loss for words
Rsox
So Getz believed his team could lose 110 games before the season started? Isn’t it his job to try to stop things like that from happening?
I can’t imagine there will be many candidates vying for the White Sox job next winter…
Unclemike1525
Just floating an idea out there but Tommy Hottovy might be a good find for manager. Counsell wanted his old pitching coach but the Brewers wouldn’t let him out of his contract. I don’t know if he wants to stay with Murphy or not but Counsell inherited Hottovy and they seem to get along fine but who knows? A young pitching coach who wants to be a manger would be a good idea. As long as it isn’t an old retread like Showalter or a cheap bum I’m OK with it.
jbigz12
I don’t know what the White Sox could’ve done to not lose 100+ games at the start of the year. When the base of your roster is as bad as there’s was—it was gonna be a really really bad year.
Aiden Awe
^^^This.
Blackpink in the area
Some of their problems were injuries. Robert missed a ton of time. Moncada missed a ton of time. Those were supposed to be 2 of their best players.
stymeedone
But they are injured EVERY year, and they should know that better than anyone.
Fever Pitch Guy
J – They could have kept Cease and signed two or more of the many available free agents last offseason.
It wouldn’t have helped their farm system, but it would have prevented 120 losses.
I don’t really understand why people here act like Jerry has no money to spend. What is a few million to a billionaire?
Very Barry
Would you rather win 35 games with kids and bums, or 75 games with guys like Cease, who you can’t sign when they hit the free agent market??? I am good with winning 35 games and adding dudes like Drew Thorpe to the farm. Rather than being in the same position within two years without added prospects from other teams. …… If you are rebuilding solely with your draft picks????? ……. It’s gonna take a while!
jbigz12
Why would you keep Cease and win 75 games?
Which wouldn’t have happened anyway because you’re talking about a 30+ game swing. They probably would’ve ended up with a couple more Benintendi’s had they attempted to sign multiple FA’s. The right move was to tear it all down. Doesn’t mean Getz is a decent GM—that remains to be seen.
Fever Pitch Guy
Barry – They are 26th in guaranteed contracts at only $42M, they can afford to spend enough on talent to not be the worst team in MLB history.
They are doing longterm damage to their fanbase and revenue streams. And prospects are never a guarantee, they could flame out or have longterm health issues or get suspended for life ….. better to rebuild with young players while having some talented veterans, not only for the fans but for the young players to have role models and mentors.
Fever Pitch Guy
jbig – For the record I didn’t mention 75 wins, but if they had kept Cease and signed Shota or Lugo you’re probably talking at least 20 more wins than what they have now.
You’ve got to provide SOME effort to win games, otherwise you’re pissing off longtime fans and when that happens they don’t usually come back.
jbigz12
I mean if they made the right signing.
They could’ve signed Erod and Soler and not been any better at all.. The team is just so bad that there was no real combination of moves that would make them respectable within a reasonable salary range. Tanking was the move given the squad.
Frenchredsox
There roster was built – badly . And wil take time to rebuild (like the Astros or O’s did ) problem is can they develop or scout properly- which last 10 years or so have shown they can’t .
lesterdnightfly
Guess who was in charge of that inept level of development?
Chris “Peter Principle” Getz.
Samuel
Rsox;
Getz did what he had to do.
It’s the owner.
I was writing the Sox were dead meat in 2021 when they made the Kimbrael trade at the deadline. Most thought the Sox were such a great team and Larussa was holding them back by demanding they play fundamental baseball – when all they wanted to do was hit HR’s and strut around. The trade for Kimbrel was a panic move at a time where the Sox were supposed to be contenders for years. Right there is where they started regressing.
It was clear to baseball people that there was no there there. So 3 years later Getz was left to do the dirty work and take it down to the studs. Not saying he’s anything wonderful, but no qualified baseball FO person was going to leave a decent position and come to try to do something with that mess under Reinsdorf. The job would have been a career killer…..as it may well be for Mr. Getz..
C Yards Jeff
Getz stays! As does Crochet.
The word of the day today boys and girls is “workload”. A masterful job by Getz of managing this pitchers workload. Crochet ain’t going nowhere! Same with that Skubal cat in Detriot as well as Mason Jar Miller in Oakland.
jbigz12
Crochet has to go somewhere, Jeff. He’s got 2 years left on his deal and the White Sox will be abysmal during that time.
C Yards Jeff
I’ll tell you what jbigz12; I’ll meet ya halfway here. Let’s give it til next season’s trade deadline. Reevaluate then. IE his health status and team performance thus direction. Deal?
C Yards Jeff
And jbigz, the right move to a rebuild is not necessarily tear down mode. I think how to win approach is a reflection of ownership philosphy and the GM following it. Some teams spend and it works for them. In recent history, KC comes to mind and to an extent the Rangers as well.
JoeBrady
Samuel-The idea was okay. I think it was prompted by the fact that they were giving up on Madrigal. But they should’ve targeted a good setup man, since they already had a better closer.
That’s when the panic set in. They picked up his option, even though they didn’t really need him. I think they were just embarrassed and thought releasing him would look stupid, or more stupid.
Then when no one was interested in him, they doubled-down on their panic and traded him for two years of Pollock’s contract.
Samuel
“Samuel-The idea was okay. I think it was prompted by the fact that they were giving up on Madrigal.”
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Joe;
Not the way I remembered it, so I looked it up.
At the time of the trade Madrigal was hitting:
.305 / .349 / .425 with a 112 wRC+.
Additionally, the Sox included young pitcher Codi Heuer in the trade.
No, the Sox wanted Kimbrel to have a killer bullpen. Their closer was already the best in the AL. I read that as a “Win Now” move as they were a shoo-in for the 2021 playoffs at the time of the trade. Which made little sense to me as so many of their “stars” were young enough that one would think they’d be contenders for at least 3 years afterwards. I believe the Sox FO knew things were out of control and a team of me-first players was going to blow up, no matter how much the national baseball media – including MLBTR – set a narrative that those Sox were an awesome MLB power.
Picking up Kimbrel’s extension surely hurt, but they had to as they’d given up 2 young players, and had no one (for years) to replace Madrigal at 2B for them.
JoeBrady
Isn’t it his job to try to stop things like that from happening?
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No, it is not. His job is to create a long-term, sustained contender.
Trying to prevent 100++ losses by signing FAs and trading away prospects would be 100% wrong.
jbigz12
Yeah. He could’ve tried to go Colorado Rockies style and the team wouldn’t have won more than 60 games that way. He’d be in a worse spot doing that. Down to the studs was the only path with that team.
They should be looking for rentals/reclamation projects to fill out the roster this offseason because there aren’t enough prospects ready to fill slots. Hopefully they find another Fedde to flip.
lesterdnightfly
“Down to the studs was the only path with that team.”
Except there are no “studs” on this roster, nor in the organization anywhere.
C Yards Jeff
Crochet?
lesterdnightfly
Crochet has only shown that he can handle a modern starter’s role: 5.2 innings with some relative success. He’s no Walter Johnson.
C Yards Jeff
@lesterd; good point. How ’bout “potential stud” not “stud”.
Citizen1
What’s worse from Getz and analysis the Sox were unwilling the whole season to give fringe players and ones with potential to see what sticks in terms of long term building and trades, except for crochet. Even their regulars were terrible the whole season. Misjudge of talent makes the As look good.
C Yards Jeff
@Citizen1. Liked “…makes the As look good”.
jbigz12
Crochet didn’t have significant value before the year and he made it an odd fit at the deadline for a contender to pay up right now. Getz would’ve been selling very low this offseason.
Unclemike1525
Well if he didn’t see it was a possibility, Is he really the right man for the job? A lot will depend on who the manager is and it better not be the cheapest guy they can find. There is a lot of pitching talent in the system and with a couple of smart deals you might be able to sell it to a good manager. I doubt Schumacher wants the gig but there are others who would be right guys for the job. Probably a manager with a pitching background would be a great idea. Fire Katz and the team DR’s and you might have something.
Aiden Awe
True on the pitching, but they also need to upgrade offensively. Whether a Crochet trade or not.
solaris602
Schumaker SHOULD have better opportunities than CWS this winter like CIN, STL, COL and arguably SEA. The problem is those teams have managers with marginal skills and front offices that are, to varying degrees, delusional. I’d hate to see his talents go to waste for years in Chicago.
CardsFan57
So they will be the worst team in history. Worse than a team created by the off casts of other teams in expansion. What manager with any other options wants that job?
Blackpink in the area
So your saying its a great job for Marmol right?
Armaments216
Worse than all teams created by off-casts of other teams in expansion. The 1962 Mets were just the worst of the 14 expansion teams created since the 1960s.
Big whiffa
Fitting for the worst franchise in baseball history
JoeBrady
I found it interesting that someone suggested that the team with the #30 record hire the manager from the team with the #29 record.
Spotswood
Right…? Marlins were a playoff teamn last year, now 40 games under. What exactly is the appeal.
The guy fancies himself as a savy baseball guy for some reason. At the beginning of the season he predicted the Sox would be a sneaky good team, so…
JoeBrady
I question Schumaker’s judgement here. He objected to Ng’s firing, which means that he thought she did a good job. But this team was bad even before they tanked.
Either Ng didn’t leave him as much talent as he thought, or Schumaker under-performed with the talent he inherited.
SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs
Padres fans should buy tickets for their series opener on the 21st so they can witness history
Aiden Awe
Wsox need to upgrade offensively, bullpen might be a train wreck but the offense is the biggest issue team wise. You can always buy a bat, even if it’s cheap.
Aiden Awe
Better days are ahead for the Wsox.
Big whiffa
Can’t get any worse
lesterdnightfly
For sure! The next two years will be vast improvements to 45, even a lofty 55 wins per season. Contention coming soon; around 2036.
Spotswood
“Better days are ahead for the Wsox.”
How in the world do you not get better than 38 wins?
You always be Schriffen-ing.
YankeesBleacherCreature
I don’t know why Skip Schumaker would choose to not return to the Marlins and then take the Sox job. He needs to also sell to new coaches to lead his staff. If they have another likely extended losing streak next season, his head would be the first to roll. Getz needs a yes man.
Aiden Awe
I would have no issue with them hiring Skip. It’s nearly impossible to be historically bad in 2 consecutive seasons. Skip can’t be worse than Pedro G.
DodgersBro
AA
“It’s nearly impossible to be historically bad in 2 consecutive seasons”
This is true
“Skip can’t be worse than Pedro G.”
This is not true
Nearly any manager would have a better record next year that Grifol this year. That doesn’t mean that they were better.
Spotswood
“It’s nearly impossible to be historically bad in 2 consecutive seasons.”
Schriffen, on multiple occassions in May you said, it was nearly impossible to lose 120 games
ellisd19830
Skip. The only manager who’s players call him by his first name!
Blackpink in the area
Crochet for Mayo. I think that makes a ton of sense for both teams.
King Floch
I would rather just sign someone in free agency, which actually seems to be a possibility with the new Orioles ownership.
JoeBrady
Too many Ks in Mayo’s portfolio. I’d want more of a sure thing.
King Floch
Fangraphs, Baseball America, and MLB Pipeline all have Mayo as a top 10 overall prospect right now.
He would instantly be the top prospect in their system.
Blackpink in the area
I think as a fan you would always rather the team spend money instead of prospects. But the deal makes sense for both teams. Mayo really doesn’t have a place to play and would certainly fill a need for the White Sox.
Joe as far as the Ks I think he figures it out. Defense is what concerns me with him I think he will hit.
jbigz12
I’d give up Mayo for Crochet and sign a great P too. We’ll be ok with Holliday, Henderson, Urias,Westy, and Mateo
King Floch
jbigz- Mateo and Urias are best deployed as bench guys and both will be FAs in another year or two. Saying we can afford to trade a top 10 overall prospect because we have them is honestly kind of ridiculous.
BITA- I’d much rather trade Mountcastle for pitching prospects and roll with an IF of 3B Westburg, SS Gunnar, 2B Holliday, Mayo 1B, and it wouldn’t even really be necessary to trade Mountcastle to open an everyday spot for Mayo when we could just platoon O’Hearn and Mountcastle.
Blackpink in the area
You have Mountcastle. Basallo is coming soon as well as numerous outfielders. Mayo really doesn’t have a place to play. And most importantly he might not be at his best in 2025. Some guys take time and the Orioles don’t want to waste thst time when they are legit contenders.
jbigz12
There’s no pitching coming though. We have Basallo and we get good production out of Ohearn. Mounty has been dropping off but Kjerstad could factor in there. Don’t think finding a 1B platoon bat with Ohearn would be extremely daunting coming from outside the org either.
I don’t think Mayo is as necessary as a TOR rotation piece is. He may be a very nice player down the line but I’d take a shot if a TOR guy was available. Be even easier if we didn’t burn Norby on T Rogers…..
Blackpink in the area
Yeah I agree jbigz and like you said they could trade for Crochet and still sign another starter.
Basallo, Holliday, Henderson and Westburg. That’s 4 quality infielders long term.
Ezpkns34
Say what you will about this ChiSox team, but I bet they’d win a series against the 1899 Cleveland Spiders
King Floch
Of course they would.
They have the major advantage of being alive.
lesterdnightfly
“They have the major advantage of being alive.”
Looking at the lack of energy on the field, at bat, trudging in from the woeful bullpen, and on the basepaths, it’s fair to wonder if that is true.
Spotswood
Niiiiiice…
Old York
I’d like to see a team go 0-162.
rotofool
Worst (ever) to first in ‘25 baby!!
King Floch
What makes this even worse for the White Sox is that they aren’t even guaranteed the first overall pick in the draft next year. They could potentially get bumped to like 4th or 5th in the draft lottery.
mike127
Or exactly 10th—GUARANTEED. This has only been mainstream news since the conclusion of LAST year’s lottery.
Jason Hanselman
“Now if you would have told me prior to the year that we would have ended up with over 100 losses, 105, 110, I wouldn’t have been as surprised,” he told reporters. “But this is the cards that we’ve been dealt at this point. You try to make the best of it, and I think it’s an opportunity to embrace the situation that we’re in.”
Isn’t Chris Getz the dealer?
lesterdnightfly
Yes, and he also stacked the deck by being farm director for this talentless organization.
CptJack
Not to mention he says “this is the cards that we’ve been dealt” as if he’s Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel. That kind of grammar usage from a GM doesn’t bode well!
bmann300
As a life long WS fan- It gives me great comfort knowing our GM was expecting 100-105 or even 110 loses. Knowing this I would have rushed out and bought season tickets-NOT!! I am in the get rid of this guy group.
JoeBrady
Knowing this I would have rushed out and bought season tickets-NOT!!
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But you did know this. They lost 101 last year, and had already traded Giolito, Lopez, and a few BP pieces. You shouldn’t have been surprised by 100++ losses.
mlb1225
That’s wild for a GM to essentially say they expected 100-110 Ls this season.
JoeBrady
How many losses did you expect? Robert & Cease were the only two good players on the team.
mlb1225
Not saying he was wrong, but I’ve never heard a GM basically say they had no faith in the team they built. Plus if you yourself as the team’s GM think at best, you’re still a 100 loss club, and you end up signficantly worse than that, that would hopefully lead to some self-reflection at your ability to perform your job.
jbigz12
Getz didn’t build this though. He was given no money and a roster devoid of established talent aside from Cease and Robert.
Crochet turned out to be a major success. As was his signing of Fedde. (The trades I don’t love) Vargas is another defensively challenged K machine. The White Sox should be getting away from that. He may be a bad GM but not for the record this season.
msqboxer
This is where MLB needs to step in and change revenue sharing. Put all the money into a pot and pay it out $$’s per win in a season to the owners. Those who tank seasons like Getz and the CWS don’t benefit for laying down like doormats.
mike127
You can make the argument that they aren’t tanking. They just stink.
JoeBrady
Very few teams ever tank. A whole lot of teams simply get worse every year.
lesterdnightfly
Crochet’s 3.83 ERA does not put him in the “ace” category, where so many are eager to anoint him. And 134 innings is not workhorse level.
Buyer beware.
Aiden Awe
His value has been going down his last few starts.
Spotswood
Felt the same about Cease. One ace year. The rest, meh.
wkkortas
“Embrace the situation that we’re in”…I’m sure the passengers in steerage on the Titanic were saying the same thing.
Mikenmn
I’m just not a big fan of teams being intentionally bad. Distorts the playing field for other teams. In division teams get 13 games against the horrible Sox, no other team gets more than seven. T
JoeBrady
I’m just not a big fan of teams being intentionally bad.
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They didn’t get intentionally bad. They just got bad. Had they held on to everyone, they still probably lose 100+.
mamss
Getz is right, he inherited this roster
lesterdnightfly
The roster that he helped to build, as farm director.
mamss
False
Karensjer
I don’t understand how Maroth lost 20 games with Detroit in 2003, and the White Sox have an even worse team but won’t manage having a 20 game losing starter.
Spotswood
Only 3 guys with more than 20 starts. Fedde, 21 starts before being traded. Crochet has 29, but since the beginning of July, he’s basically an opener. He’s averaging 3 IP per start. Flexin is the only other guy, 2-14 in 27 starts. He averages less than 5 IP per start.
SupremeZeus
Chris Getz is an unqualified knob-end. Reinsdorf is 88, cue Norman Greenbaum. Mellody Hobson can’t be a worse owner than Reinsdorf, can she?
Aiden Awe
Isn’t her husband George Lucas?
User 4095290658
Have I got a second series?
Smell my cheese.
MLBTR needs to hire editors
Oh great, another MLBTR writer who ignores basic rules of English grammar. Because a sentence beginning “Fantastic as Crochet has pitched” is not correct grammar. “As” has to start the sentence and it’s not optional. When you’re a professional writer—and yes, these dudes are being paid to write—you have no excuse to not use proper English.