The Red Sox lost to the Blue Jays tonight, minutes after wins by the Royals and Tigers. That officially eliminated Boston from playoff contention and turns their attention completely to the offseason. Sox chief baseball officer Craig Breslow met with the Boston beat before the game. While he didn’t go into too many specifics, he offered a few hints about where the Sox could turn in the winter.
Breslow pointed to the rotation, bullpen and a desire to balance a lefty-heavy lineup among the areas of focus (link via Sean McAdam of MassLive). That not coincidentally overlaps with the Sox’s impending free agents. Nick Pivetta, Tyler O’Neill, Kenley Jansen, Chris Martin, Danny Jansen and Lucas Sims are all headed to the open market. That’s a pair of right-handed bats, one of their top starters, and multiple high-leverage relievers.
Asked about O’Neill specifically, Breslow said the Sox are “definitely interested in having some of those conversations” about a new deal (relayed by Alex Speier of the Boston Globe). Boston hit on a buy-low acquisition of the slugger from the Cardinals last offseason. O’Neill leads the team with 31 home runs and sports a .240/.335/.512 slash across 469 plate appearances. He had a trio of brief injured list stints but has been one of the Sox’s best hitters when healthy. O’Neill has been a particularly key piece of maintaining some amount of lineup balance. He has obliterated lefty pitching at a .313/.429/.750 clip in 156 trips to the plate. He’s tied with Aaron Judge for second in MLB (one behind Ketel Marte) with 16 home runs off southpaws.
O’Neill is eligible for a qualifying offer. There’s a good chance the 29-year-old left fielder would accept a one-year offer worth more than $21MM. That’d be a massive jump over this year’s $5.85MM arbitration salary. The Sox may prefer a three- or four-year deal that comes at a more manageable annual rate. O’Neill’s camp will probably look to top the respective $42MM guarantees secured by Lourdes Gurriel Jr. and Jorge Soler last winter.
Even if they retain O’Neill, that’d leave the Sox with the same lefty-leaning lineup they trotted out this year. They’ll need more contributors via some combination of free agency, trade and internal improvement. Vaughn Grissom is one of the higher-upside righty bats already on the roster. Grissom’s first season in Boston was underwhelming, as he battled injuries and struggled for most of the year. (Chris Sale, for whom the young infielder was traded, pitching his way to the NL Cy Young in Atlanta only adds to the disappointment.)
The Sox have split time at second base between Grissom and lefty-hitting Enmanuel Valdez with the season winding down. Breslow was noncommittal on whether the 23-year-old will enter next season as the favorite at second base. “I think he’s absolutely got the potential to do that,” the chief baseball officer said of Grissom being an everyday player (via Speier). “But ultimately it’s going to be the play on the field that dictates who our everyday second base is.”
Ha-Seong Kim, who’ll also draw attention as a shortstop, and Gleyber Torres headline the free agent class at second base. Jonathan India will probably be the subject of trade speculation yet again. It seems unlikely that the Sox would devote a ton of resources to the position. That’d impede Grissom and speedster David Hamilton next season. With top shortstop prospect Marcelo Mayer potentially on the radar for a 2025 debut, the keystone could be the long-term home for Trevor Story.
The pitching staff is a clearer area for free agent investment. Jansen and Martin have been two of Alex Cora’s top three leverage arms for the past couple seasons. Rule 5 pick Justin Slaten will be back in the late innings. Liam Hendriks should be healthy and could compete with Slaten for the closing job. The Sox will probably look for multiple additions to solidify the setup corps in front of that duo. A reunion with Martin wouldn’t be surprising.
A rotation built around Tanner Houck, Brayan Bello, Kutter Crawford and hopefully a healthy Lucas Giolito has promise. Richard Fitts has had decent results in his first four MLB starts. Pivetta has absorbed a lot of innings while flashing strikeout stuff over the past few years though. The Sox will need to replace that volume if he walks.
Corbin Burnes, Blake Snell, Max Fried and Jack Flaherty headline the free agent rotation class. Sean Manaea, Nick Martinez, Luis Severino and old friend Nathan Eovaldi (assuming he declines a $20MM player option with Texas) are among the middle-tier starters who’d more closely mirror last winter’s Giolito pickup.
The rotation still needs work. The same thing could be said about the rotation going into this season, they show promise and a healthy Giolito has promise.
Let’s get some help there. If they go into 2025 without meaningful upgrades on the player side to the rotation, were in for more of the same.
Yes, agreed. The rotation needs a MLB-quality #1 and #2 starters and the bullpen will need a stopper and a closer. Not sure how it all will pan out, but I can’t believe that Boston is as desirable a destination for FAs as it was when the team was winning consistently just a few years ago.
pitch upgrades are more likely to come via trade. That said unless there is a trade involving Rafaela, Duran or Abreu, I’d be very shocked if the sox offered O’Neil a 3/4 year contract especially with the outfield talent on the way up.
I agree with that take on the OFers but I also think Seattle and Boston line up very well for a trade this winter. Seattle’s season long offensive struggles and Boston’s need for a solid top of the rotation arm should be the makings of a deal. I’d like to see the Sox try and target either Kirby or Gilbert and see what they can work out with Seattle to land one of them.
Duran would certainly get the M’s attention. Duran/Rodriguez/Arozarena would make for a highly impactful outfield.
He’d be the key piece that would likely get you one of Seattle’s better pitchers.
Yeah I was kinda figuring he’d have to headline a package in this scenario. It would be tough sending him in a deal but at the same time I’m of the mindset that this year probably will wind up being Duran’s “career year” and while he won’t drop off substantially he’s probably not going to repeat the level of production he had this year either. So capitalizing on it now to shore up the rotation makes sense. But I’m struggling to identify who would realistically take over the lead off spot of the Sox trade him.
Yoshida and one of the Red Sox back end type starters for Luis Castillo that could make sense.
Salary concerns
if Duran enabled the sox to get George Kirby I’d strongly consider that. Suddenly pitching goes from being a major concern to a strength.
While I see how this lines up in the abstract I very much doubt any of these three players are going to be on the market this offseason. If Seattle moves a pitcher it’s more likely to be one of woo or Miller imo. Similarly duran feels least likely to be the of piece Boston listens on rn.
The rotation depth is improved a bit, now that Fitts and Priester are major league ready, but they still need another arm at the top.
Could use two leverage relievers, preferably one from the left side. I’m hoping Whitlock will help in the pen as well.
Yoshida isn’t a terrible hitter, but he is a better fit on another roster.
They fail to mention the biggest potential option at 2b. Campbell is close and could be the starter before the year is out. Grissom/Hamilton will probably be the solution until then.
The off-season plan? Simple: Full throttle Part 2.
It makes me think the full throttle quote was done to try to sell a few more Boston Gloves…
Like CLE, the Sox got away with having a relatively quiet offseason last winter. But I wouldn’t tempt fate again this winter. BOS has some very clear needs that should be addressed for them to take the next step, and while the rotation has been surprisingly good, it’s time to bring in an ace.
What did we get out of that? A similar record to last year?
tff – Top 9 draft pick if they lose today! LOL!!
I will never be a bigger Rays fan then 3:05 today. In yet another lost season it would be nice to get that draft participation trophy.
Give Cora a free hand with the pen and he”ll make sure that any lead Priester might leave with gets squandered.
william – I totally appreciate your stance, but personally I can’t do it …. can’t root for another team to beat my Sox, and I really do want Joe to go out a winner …. walkoff grand slam would be ideal.
tff – If it’s a blowout, how about this ….. how about Gasper pitches the 9th so his parents can be there to see his first MLB pitch. They deserve SOMETHING for all the games they’ve had to sit through.
Gasper’s parents can watch him in the minors, as that is where he belongs. Cruel but true.
I was rooting for the Sox. In a lost season I am rooting for them to climb slots in the draft, instead of falling slots because of 1 win or loss on a year we had zero chance of making the playoffs again. Of course I don’t want to see losses, but I get to see so many anyway. What was one more?
FPG- Bud, you have to admit I was nearly pinpoint accurate this whole off season about what they would do, what they got, the record, and the only way we wouldn’t be in last place. The Jays and Tampa would have to regress sharply. Rays got killed by injuries or they would have been a high 80’s to 90 win team. The Jays simply fell apart with nearly every single offensive player having a down year except Guerrero. As much as those teams with better pitching, defense endured with down years and injuries we were 1 and 6 games better.
william – Yes you certainly were! You’re one of my favorite posters because you have great insight, you really “get it”.
I did okay in my offseason speculation, I figured Tampa could possibly regress down to last place but I definitely did NOT expect Toronto to be this bad …. of course had I known Bo would miss most of the season, I’d have pegged them lower than 3rd place. You’re right though, their offense was down across the board with guys like Turner and Jansen having down years.
You probably heard the rumors of a couple Sox coaches getting canned, really think they need a new hitting coach.
The Sox didn’t get away with anything. The fans and media called them out, and nearly everyone knew this was a lost season on first pitch opening day. Everyone knew the glaring holes on that roster, and not a single one was addressed with an upgrade.
It;’s so funny tho.
It wasn’t off the cuff. It was also a statement that had no ambiguity to it. That statement made fans ecstatic when they were made and there was no attempt to walk it back it until the time came when people realized not a single blatant hole was filled on the roster, and we had just traded our ace. Going full throttle is so very different from anything other than going full throttle.
JOHN H and Sam K are content with mediocrity because our beloved Fenway generates enough $$ for them.
How could ownership go from being so loved to being so despised? This has nothing to do with championships and everything with the continued desire to compete. Winning championships? Nah. Only thing that matters is printing money…It used to be you spent to make but obviously John Henry found an easier way thanks to the suckers a/k/a Sox fans,
dewey – Let’s wait and see what this year’s revenue looks like when it comes out in April, I think Sox fans have definitely caught on.
Dewey, I feel the same way about my fellow Cubs fans, who seem to go to Wrigley more for the beer, women & ambiance than to watch winning baseball. That fills the coffers so that Ricketts doesn’t need to be concerned about winning.
If the Red Sox had the payroll capacity like 5 years ago, I think they would resign O’Neill and Danny, sign fried to balance the rotation and maybe resign kenley for one more year
But this is 2024 so the Red Sox have to keep their profits just like every company
Argh if 2019 was now I’d be richhhh
sad – What could you possibly see in Danny Jansen that warrants bringing him back? He’s basically a thinner taller version of Vazquez.
@ Fever
Jansen has had a down year, especially since getting to Boston. Prior to that, he was one of the best power hitting catchers in the league (by rate stats). Last year he had 17 HR in only 268 ab’s. His biggest issue was staying healthy. If he can get back to his normal form, he’d be highly valuable.
Canuck – Why do you think Danny has been so bad this year? It’s not because of injuries.
They need 2 high end starters. They have to upgrade, and it has to be clear upgrades. For some unfathomable reason some people are talking about Giolito like he is an answer returning. He may be (long shot). But if he is, I would rather him win comeback player of the year as our number 3 and not the best of the mid tier pitcher pile. Get the 1 and 2. Hope Giolito is solid and healthy. Fill out the last two spots, and either fill the bullpen with upgrades or jettison the contracts to clear money for those upgrades.
William – Last offseason the Sox also needed two high end starters.
Ironically instead of adding two, they subtracted one :O(
I want to trade Yoshida for a reliever and have Mayer spend the winter and spring training learning 3B and move Raffy to a full time DH role. I’m also open to moving Duran for a young controllable starter with ace potential. Roman Anthony will be up by June next year.
I think Red Sox would prefer dumping abreu instead of duran since abreu can’t hit against lefty’s and Duran is their lead off hitter (unless Rafaela lives up to the hype but he looks like a defense first guy so far)
Red Sox and mariners could line up a trade… that would be interesting…
I have seen absolutely nothing to make me think Rafaela is going to be a long term solution as a starting player long term. There are just so many flaws in his hitting approach, and he just doesn’t have enough of the offensive power or OBP to justify him playing every day. If I were evaluating him, I would already be grooming him as a super utility player and looking to see how I can upgrade at his spot with a pure hitter with power to stretch the lineup and add protection for Devers.
william – My biggest fear is Rafaela and his .661 OPS will be in the lineup every day for the next 7 years only because of his versatility.
Hopefully he will mature and improve.
If he doesn’t improve, he ends up as a bench player. I see their OF as Abreu, Duran, and Anthony next year, with Story at SS, so his days as a bench player perhaps begin now? He will need to improve his offense to earn more than 300 PA.
He is the super utility guy you dream of as a manager, if he can figure out that the plate is only 17″s wide and doesn’t start in the middle of the lefty hitter’s box. He should also be reminded that swinging uncontrollably for power when your 5’9″ and 165 pounds is probably less effective than taking a controlled short swing with the purpose of placing the ball in play. He bats like an *sshole.
tff – Agree with you on being a bench player, but not next season ….. he might play 2B or OF, but he will play every day unless he really implodes …. and then he would probably be sent down. With that contract, he needs to play regularly every day.
william – The million dollar question, is Cora & Fatso allowing him to swing at everything as hard as he can?
Or is he doing it on his own, and Cora & Fatso want to put a stop to it but can’t?
Can’t believe they could be paying $6M a year for a utility player.
I disagree, I expect the better bats (Grissom, Campbell, Anthony) to grab the PT and not let go.
Decent utility players can get up to $10M, so I don’t think the contract is a problem. I do expect his offense to improve with experience, just don’t want to promise anything tomorrow.
The Idea of a super Utility guy is that they are usually in a lot of games. A lot. They tend to get 400+ at bats because they are basically platooning every game against the other handed pitcher and filling in for extended injury time and rest days.
Exactly! Very few everyday players in this day and age. One injury after another, and a lot of guys who benefit from platooning.
I don’t think you need to lock Rafaela into a single position to get him 400+ AB, and he would be an upgrade both defensively and offensively over some of the clowns we’ve seen filling in the last few years.
tff – I’m all for 400 PA’s if it means not having over 570 PA’s like he did this year!
But let’s say Anthony, Mayer and Campbell turn out to be studs in the majors and Story, Duran and Abreu stay healthy …. where’s Rafaela gonna get even 400 PA’s?
Simple answer is they won’t all play 162.
But if they somehow do, and all perform well, I’m not going to cry about Rafaela losing PT.
I’d be readier for a trade once they’ve broken in the prospects, filled the 2B problem and the gap left by O’Neill. Let’s see how things look then?
FPG- That is a problem you want. BTW, the bonus of having a guy be a super utility guy is that they aren’t worth much when the time comes. It is a category that rarely sees over inflated FA value.
We know he can field adequately in the infield to fill in, and above average in the outfield. The way the game is run these days the benches are being played in far more games and at bats then I have ever seen. The Red Sox are obsessive about versatility and depth. The problem is they aren’t obsessed with finding talent that demands by production to play every day, and quality in that depth.
william – My definition of a super-utility guy is somebody who can play several positions and not be an automatic out. Games are lost just as frequently, if not more, at the plate. In my view, he needs to put up at least a .700 OPS to warrant being in the lineup. And I’m not even bringing in the mental errors, the poor judgement (10 CS in 29 attempts is ridiculous), or the lack of focus. He needs a LOT of improvement in many areas, great athletes don’t always make for great or even good players.
Guess when was the last time Rafaela walked?
August 9th … I kid you not.
From August 10th to the end of the season he batted .214 with a .225 OBP and just a .547 OPS …. zero walks in 142 PA’s.
No matter how versatile he is, those are really scary numbers for a guy who they just invested $50M in ….. a guy they are currently paying 5 times (AAV) what he would have earned without the extension.
Should the remaining $42M on his contract hamstring a team with the 4th-highest revenue in MLB? No ….but as we all know, if the Sox continue to operate like greedy cheapskates then Rafaela’s contract could drag down the team for years to come.
Not sure where you are getting those salary numbers, Fever?
In a league where Harrison Bader gets $10M/year, it isn’t ridiculous for Rafaela to earn $20M for his six arbitration years and another $20M for the two years of free agency that were bought out – even if Rafaela doesn’t improve. Bader got around $14M prior to free agency, and salaries continue to rise (along with revenues).
The hope of course is that Rafaela will some day be a better player than Bader. If he never learns how to hit then the contract will be mildly disappointing. But most players don’t peak at the age of 23, so it is reasonable to expect that he has upside on that.
The deal will be made or broken by his performance in the two free agency years. They weren’t ever going to release him anyways, and the uncertainty in his arbitration earnings is relatively small. Rafaela needs to be a $15M player in those two arbitration years for the deal to work out for the Red Sox.
I would take the other bad contract in a second if it means Devers being a full time DH and being forced to replace him at third with a legitimate MLB fielder with some hit tools.
Ideally, with lots of luck, it would be best to have some combo of Mayers, Story and Grissom working.
The only promise that rotation holds is the promise to miss the playoffs yet again. There’s no way Ebeneezer Henry allows Breslow to spend what it’ll take to actually make the rotation a strength
They have needed pitching for years. I’ve never seen such an obvious fix being ignored for so long.
As a CLE fan the FO refused to meaningfully address their need for a righty corner OF bat for years until finally trading for Lane Thomas at the deadline this year, so I get where you’re coming from.
Any trade that involves Duran is a loser. He was one of the 10 best players in baseball this year. You can’t replace that, especially when you won’t spend money.
Duran doesn’t fit Henry’s “image” and I always got the feeling Cora has never been a big fan of Jarren, in spite of what he may publicly say.
Lol you couldn’t be more off about how Cora and the organization view Duran. Cora has 1,000 quotes about how he wished everyone worked as hard as he did.
If they want a #1 starter that doesn’t cost 30M a year then they have to give up either Duran or Casas. They seem to have better replacements available in the outfield than at first base.
Times sure have changed, and not for the better if you ask me. We didn’t need a ‘Chief Baseball Officer’ to tell us who could play second base. You just threw a guy out there and told him to figure it out, or he’d be ridin’ the rails by sundown.
FPG.. saw you post on home grown pitchers… nice to see the possibility of some developed talent on the mound… saw hurst/ Clemens/ nipper/ but what about my guy oil can?? I could swear he had a couple of 200 innings years/ 30 starts.. was he with that trio?? 86?? I’ll hang up and listen as usual…
olm – That’s a great question! Can was injured that year (1987) and therefore had only 7 starts.
He did have 30+ starts in 1985-1986 though ;O)
“The Red Sox lost to the Blue Jays tonight, minutes after wins by the Royals and Tigers. That officially eliminated Boston from playoff contention…”
Gosh, so close–just minutes after! Imagine if they had lost BEFORE the Royals and Tigers games, or a full hour or two afterwards!
What a difference that would have made in the future of the Red Sox!
lester – And the Red Sox lost 20-7 to the lowly Rockies just minutes after Cora signed his contract extension. LOLOL!!
They were too busy feeling the “joy”.
let – Yeah and Cora didn’t care because he got paid.
Just a coincidence the team collapsed immediately after the extension was being finalized? Having watched Cora’s interviews closely during the first half and second half, there’s a noticeable difference. He’s as arrogant and cocky as ever now.
The other day the NESN guys asked him why he changed his approach from 2018 and 2019, going from way too much resting of players to letting them play a lot more ….. he said it’s because the 2018-2019 teams were expected to win, but this year’s team he didn’t expect to contend for the postseason. Talk about arrogance …. leopards never change their spots.
Fever, if a manager “doesn’t expect” his team to contend, the manager needs to be replaced.
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I’ll believe it when I see it with Breslow after the “Full Throttle” BS last year. They need a solid starter at the top of the pitching staff. Whitlock should be in the bullpen with a closer competition between him and Martin. I think Jensen is gone. O’Neill is good but he must have hit a lot of solo homers last year attributed to the low RBI total. Not sure if he comes back. Can you imagine if they had signed Aaron Judge last year and his homerun total at Boston. This year depends if the are going to spend money on starting pitching, good relievers and hitting. Please get a second baseman who can hit. Anyway I’ll believe it when I see it. Wake me up if the Red Sox do anything major in the offseason and not the buy low and high potential guys we usually pick up with Bloom and Breslow philosophies.
The Sox need two high end starters. A clear 1 and 2. It is important for this team to upgrade their rotation, but it is just as vital for them to kick two starters out of the rotation into the bullpen so they can jettison 2 of the least productive pitchers off the roster. Getting 2 high end pitchers will have a cascading effect that helps everywhere with their pitching staff (except the elite lefty reliever they have been lacking for more then a decade).
Boston please resign Danny Jansen so the Blue Jays don’t do something stupid like try bringing him back to Toronto.
Anthony Franco is my favorite writer on this website by far. Love his style detail and opinions. I think this is the first time in years that I’ve had a disagreement come to mind.
“”There’s a good chance the 29-year-old left fielder would accept a one-year offer worth more than $21MM””
There’s not a single chance in the entire universe known and unknown that Tyler O’Neill comes back to the red sox. Not on a one-year deal not on a four year deal not on a 10-year deal and not on a spring training invite. He is 100% gone.
Why?
Here’s a quote from him around the deadline: “I don’t know how it’s going to go. I’d love to stay here the rest of the season, possibly beyond if that’s what they want. But we’ll see. Again, it’s a business, so time will tell on that.”
I think another team will come up with years and money. Number two I think the Red Sox have a truckload of dudes lining up for outfield spots that are young and ready to go. It’s not necessary to bring Tyler O’Neill back and it’s not necessarily to bring anyone from the outside into the fold unless they are a Masher who is consistent. Just my opinion but there’s no way O’Neill comes back.
Thanks – I agree with those points. The way that I read the message initially had me thinking that O’Neill indicated that he didn’t want to be back in Boston.
Gary – Agreed! There’s a chance the Sox could gamble Tyler would decline a QO, but I don’t think Boras will allow having him accept it.
I think O’Neill gets a Turner type contract from some other team, 2-year deal with an opt out after the first year.
The only position player the Red Sox would consider adding is a Masher for the Outfield. Yes Tyler O’Neill filled the Gap this year but he can’t stay healthy. I’m talking about someone reliable who will stay in the lineup. It won’t be a free agent signing either. Red Sox have way too many outfielders ready to go for 2025.
I’m of the opinion though it’s not popular, that you trade Jaren Duran right now while he’s at the top. You get a young starting pitcher and maybe a Masher for the Outfield by throwing in six or seven of those extra second baseman. Tongue in cheek of course.
Red Sox need pitching and more pitching. That’s where the concentration in the offseason should be.
Rooker? He’s more of a DH, of course.
The A’s are reluctant to trade him. Club control three more years? It would take a lot to get him I think, even though he only has two years of Big League success.
I think the lineup imbalances and starting pitching can be solved at least for 2025 with a couple of moves.
Sign Alex Bregman
Re-sign Tyler O’Neill
Trade Triston Casas for George Kirby
Trade Masataka Yoshida for bullpen arm
The hitters and starting pitching would look like this.
C Connor Wong (R)
1B Rafael Devers (L)
2B Vaughn Grissom (R)
SS Trevor Story (R)
3B Alex Bregman (R) (free agent signing)
RF Wilyer Abreu (L)
CF Ceddanne Rafaela (R)
LF Juran Duran (L)
DH Tyler O’Neil (R)
SP Lucas Giolito
SP George Kirby (trade w/ Seattle for Casas)
SP Bryan Bello
SP Tanner Houck
SP Cutter Krawford
Casas trade allows Devers to move to 1B. That would remove a left handed bat in Casas, improve the defense by moving Devers out of 3B. Having Bregman at 3B will improve the defense. Re-signing O’Neill and making him the primary DH and 4th outfielder would be better than Yoshida. Kirby as a starter would be good with Giolito coming back. Reassess at the trade deadline.
Just my opinion but this lineup looks way too much like the ’24 lineup. I think O’Neill is gone Duran is gone and more than just one new starting pitcher coming in.
Absolute NO on Alex bregman coming also. If they’re going to spend money they’ll do it for starting pitching. Maybe some Bullpen arms also.
The Red Sox are loaded on the field with their current roster plus youth coming up. They don’t need to sign a free agent third baseman for 30 million dollars a year or whatever the dollars will be. Not going to happen.
By design, 2025 is a bridge year to SS Mayer (L), CF Anthony (L), C Teel (L) and 2B Campbell (R).
Bregman improves the defense at 3B, gives the Red Sox a needed right handed bat to help balance the lineup and gives them consistent offense. Bringing back O’Neill also helps balance the lineup and gives them some power and protection for Devers. I don’t foresee the Red Sox spending big money on Burnes/Fried/Snell/Flaherty in free agency. IMO, starting pitching will come via trade… that’s where moving Casas comes in. Seattle appears to be a match with a surplus of young starters and a need for a 1B. Someone like Kirby and then having Giolito back should improve the starting pitching.
At the trade deadline, if Anthony, Campbell, Mayer, Teel are ready… the Sox could look to flip Grissom if he has value and Duran for additional pitching.
2026
C Teel (L)
1B Devers (L)
2B Campbell (R)
SS Mayer (L)
3B Bregman (R)
LF O’Neill (R)
CF Anthony (L)
RF Abreu (L)
DH Story (R)
SP Kirby
SP Bello
SP Houck
SP Crawford
SP ??? (from Duran trade)
I hope the theme song for the Red Sox “Netflix” show is Pretenders’ “Middle of the Road.”
I don’t get why everyone wants to trade Duran or Casas? Basically you know what you have with them. No one says anything about trading one of the prospects . Mayer especially gets over hyped aka ( Yoan Moncada ). Who really knows what some of these prospects are going to be. It wasn’t that long back when they were pushing Blake Swiehart as the best thing.
It’s because the Red Sox need Frontline pitching. Verifying your point, you’re not going to get Frontline pitching for minor Leaguers of promise, unless you give up four of them. Sox are not doing that so Duran is the smart move. Sell high. Tout him as MVP candidate etc.
Gary I understand they need frontline pitching . They also need some bats . I don’t have faith in Breslow trading. What was the point in paying 17 million of Sales contract for Grissom? If Mayer is what they say and they are stuck with Story. What was the need for Grissom?
If you look at Grissom’s minor league numbers from 2023, he is a similarly talented prospect to Campbell. (And at the time, Campbell wasn’t even on the radar.) None of the other alternatives (Yorke, Meidroth) are likely to be quality starters.
Grissom had less than a year of service time, so it was a trade of ONE year of Sale for six years of Grissom. And for the first three of those, Grissom will be paid at the ML minimum.
If Grissom is a bust, then the trade doesn’t work out. But if Grissom develops into a.solid first division starter, a three win player, then they get more value from Grissom than they would have from Sale – even with the Red Sox eating Sale’s salary. Tough that he was ill/injured this year, but the trade itself wasn’t ridiculous and could still work out for both sides.
BTW, Mayer (like Grissom) is just a prospect, not yet a sure thing. While he is considered a good prospect, it is too early to annoint him the future. And given his injuries this year, the future could easily be pushed back to 2026.
Not sure the Red Sox can count on Story either, given all the injuries.
tff17: Great points about Grissom. Also, he may have been the best or only offer they got for Sale.
Clay: I agree 100%. Way too early to judge. Grissom might have a great career or be traded for someone valuable.
Thumbs up on this Clay. It was ONE year of Sale and he had how many years of injuries and inconsistency. His value was down so far we paid half the money owed to him. Good post.
For every Moncada and Swihart and Brian Rose, you could also have a Betts and Boegaerts and Lester… Most good players were prospects before. No one knows which ones will be good to great. I’d prefer to keep Mayer because he is an athletic middle infielder that could transition to multiple positions if needed. Casas is a 1B or DH, that’s it. We all know Devers will eventually move away from 3B… I say move him to 1B now… and get some value from Casas as a trade chip.
I believe Mayer would be a good fit at 3b…
George: Agreed about prospects. I’m not convinced Devers would be good defensively at first base. I’m not sure he will handle bad throws.
Yes that and I think the Red Sox really like Tristan Casas a lot. Not sure he’s on the Block as a trade candidate to improve the team. For some reason they’re enamored with him beyond what is visible today in the box score and on the field.
Gary: Agreed. I think Casas may have some MVP caliber seasons in his future. I want to keep him.
Yes Clay, the items you mention are great reasons to like him. But I think the Red Sox like him BEYOND those numbers and value him BEYOND the things you state. Get it?
I see Casas as a trade candidate based on: 1) the need to balance the left heavy lineup which will get more left heavy with the young prospects coming, 2) he has some value to bring back value, 3) he’s limited to 1B/DH defensively, 4) Devers needs to move from 3B and 1B/DH are the logical landing spots. Duran to me is more valuable than Casas because of his defensive versatility.
Actually, it;’s pretty clear the Red sox aren’t that enamored with a lot of his antics. The reason he is valued is that he performs.
Yeah, I mean, I’d go with that other than someone on his couch guessing that they value him BEYOND his play
That’s my point. I don’t know what those reasons are.
For some reason means I don’t know. Get it?
I understand that YOU are saying the numbers are enough to like him. Great, I respect your post and your opinion and it’s all good.
Also, Casas hasn’t wanted to sign an extension. Another reason I think he’s more likely to be moved for pitching.
Abreu, Crawford, Valdez and Zanetello for Garret Crochet.
Resign Tyler Oniell, Chris Martin.
Casas, Yoshida, Yoelin Cespedes & Mikey Romero to Seattle for George Kirby and Andres Munoz
Sign Walker Buehler to 1 year deal.
Whitlock to pen…. he is not a starter.
Rotation:
1. Kirby
2. Crochett
3 Houck
4 Bello
5. Buehler
6. Giolito
7. Fitts
8 Priester
Lineup:
1. Duran LF
2. Storey SS
3. Devers 1B
4. Oniell DH
5 Anthony RF
6 Wong/Teel C
7 Campbell 3B
8 Grissom 2B
9.Rafaela CF
Bench:
Hamilton
Romy G
Teel/Wong
Chase Meidroth or Sogard
Bring up Mayer when ready.
BP Slaten, Whitlock, Penrod, Murphy, Kelly, Guerrero, Martin, Hendricks and CP Munoz.
Eating a good chunk of Yoshida’s contract will be necessary. if any hope of moving him exists.