White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf is open to selling the club and is in “active discussions” with a group led by Dave Stewart, reports Brittany Ghiroli of The Athletic. It’s unclear how possible a sale is or how much progress the talks have made, but it would be a seismic shift for the franchise if it comes to fruition.
Reinsdorf, now 88 years old, is one of the more controversial owners in the sport. He bought the club in 1981 for about $20MM and has since developed a reputation for being on the meddlesome side, leading to reports of tumult from within the organization. Reinsdorf only owns an estimated 19% stake in the club, according to Forbes, but is nonetheless the principal owner of the club.
The club has had some success during his tenure as owner, including winning the 2005 World Series, but the Sox are at a very low ebb right now. They didn’t make the playoffs from 2009 to 2019, finishing below .500 during the majority of that stretch. A new core seemed to emerge and helped them make the postseason in 2020 and 2021, but that quickly proved to be unsustainable. They dropped to .500 in 2022 and lost 101 games last year before things got even worse in 2024. They lost 121 games this year, setting a new record for losses in the modern era.
Amid that downward slide, plenty of changes have taken place. In August of 2023, president Ken Williams and general manager Rick Hahn were fired after many years with the club. However, that shakeup was followed by the club promoting Chris Getz to general manager from within, seemingly not undertaking an extensive search for external candidates. Manager Pedro Grifol and some coaches were fired in August of 2024. Grady Sizemore took over as interim manager and it’s not yet clear who will be the club’s bench boss for 2025.
Those changes were arguable merited, but as the Sox were nearing their dishonorable place in history this year, Ghiroli and Ken Rosenthal put the franchise under the microscope in a lengthy piece for The Athletic last month. In it, various sources traced the club’s misfortunes to Reinsdorf. His slow embrace of analytics, his refusal to invest in amenities or player payroll and his insular loyalty were among the various complaints cited in the piece.
While many of the club’s fans have been clamoring for Reinsdorf to sell the club, it’s possible their wish is being granted in monkey-paw fashion, given who the buyer could be. Stewart is well-known in the baseball world for his playing career and also his post-playing ventures as a coach, executive, agent and stint as general manager of the Diamondbacks. In recent years, he has been involved with a group that has been trying to get an MLB franchise in Nashville, Tennessee. Stewart parted ways with Music City Baseball/the Nashville Stars but told Paul Skrbina of the Nashville Tennessean in May that he still had designs on getting a team to Nashville someday. Per today’s report from Ghiroli, he is now part of a group called Smoke34, a reference to his nickname and jersey number from his playing days. Ghiroli also mentions that Stewart and partner Lonnie Murray are trying to bring a National Women’s Soccer League team to Nashville.
Back in August of 2023, Greg Hinz of Crain’s Chicago Business reported that the Sox were exploring relocating within Chicago but that moving to Nashville was also under consideration. “Ever since the article came out, I’ve been reading about I’ve been threatening to move to Nashville,” Reinsdorf said in response, per Scott Merkin of MLB.com. “That article didn’t come from me. But if we have six years left, we’ve got to decide what’s the future going to be? We’ll get to it, but I never threatened to move out. We haven’t even begun to have discussions with the Sports Authority, which we’ll have to do soon.” In December, multiple sources (including Daryl Van Schouwen of the Chicago Sun-Times) reported that Reinsdorf met with Nashville mayor Freddie O’Connell.
There are still plenty of unknowns with this story and the next steps will require more details to come out. The talks between Reinsdorf and Stewart could in early/exploratory stages or they could be further along. It’s also possible that Stewart’s group is just one of several that Reinsdorf has spoken with or will eventually speak with. Speculatively speaking, it’s possible that Reinsdorf is using the threat of relocation to help get a new stadium built in Chicago. As covered previously at MLBTR, the Sox have discussed plans about a new stadium in Chicago’s South Loop on a parcel of land known as “The 78.” It’s not uncommon for owners of sports franchises to dangle the threat of relocation in an attempt to extract public money for real estate investments. The Sox, who have a lease at Guaranteed Rate Field through 2029, were reportedly looking to get a billion dollars in public money for their new stadium as of February.
Exploring a sale of the club also doesn’t mean it will ultimately come to pass. In recent years, teams like the Nationals and Angels announced plans to explore the possibility of selling, only to later pull back from those declarations. This situation appears to be somewhat different, in that some discussions have already taken place. Though as mentioned, it’s unclear how extensive those talks have been.
This is the second report this month of a club considering a sale. The Twins, divisional rival of the White Sox, are also on the block. The Pohlad family announced last week that they will explore the possibility of a sale. Reinsdorf is the second-longest active owner in Major League Baseball, trailing only the Steinbrenner family, who have owned the Yankees since 1973.
Bauer? But I Hardly Know Her!
Might as well.
roob
Please please please please let it be true!
Dogbone
Awe, say it ain’t so!!!!
joparx
Worst owner in American sports history, owes Chicago millions and he belongs in a cell at 26th and California, dude makes satan seem really swell
GarryHarris
Be careful what you wish for…
hiflew
Really? You are excited that Dave Stewart, probably the worst GM of the 21st century, is leading the charge to purchase the White Sox? I get that Reinsdorf is awful, but this is like Mussolini losing an election to Stalin. You get rid of a bad guy, but bring in someone likely worse.
realsox
I agree. Be careful what you wish for: the sale of the team increases the chances of a move to Nashville. I’ve rooted for the Sox all my life, and I’d rather have them as they are here in Chicago rather than how they might be under different ownership in Nashville.
Lets Go DBacks
Exactly! I feel for every White Sox fan at the moment. From Reinsdorf to Dave Stewart…at least he isn’t afraid to spend (someone else’s) money.
ChiSox_Fan
Nashville population insufficient to support a MLB team.
ChiSox_Fan
Move Sox to Arlington Heights!!
desertbull
Milwaukee has a population of less than 2 million. Nashville is at 2.2 and growing, adding an average of 86 new residents per day.
They can support a team but the stadium needs be state of the art and smaller with seating close to the field.
Dogbone
Another thing about Nashville is that their Road and transportation infrastructure is absolutely TERRIBLE. And the nature of the landscape and properties already built, would present challenges to make it better, in a short timeframe.
Blackouts are racist
Not true. Not advocating for a move but you’re lying to yourself and everyone else if you don’t think Nashville metro could support.
depletion
I LOL’d. Good thing no coffee was emitted. Reminded me of the BBTF discussion of baseballish statistics we could use to figure out who was worse, Stalin or Hitler. Ah… bbtf, we hardly knew ya.
ThatsIT?
Hopefully John Fisher buys them and sells the athletics then white Sox fans will have something to complain about
Pads Fans
He can’t collect revenue sharing in Chicago.
Big whiffa
Every white sox fans dream
metsin4
Having Dave Stewart as an owner? Try dreaming bigger.
IronBallsMcGinty
Michael Jordan? Mike Ditka?
Too big?
metsin4
Maybe someone with money to field a quality team.
stymeedone
Owning 19% of the White Sox would allow the new owner to pick the staff, but its doubtful they would be able to change the payroll level. 4/5 of the owners could have easily raised the payroll level over Reinsdorf’s objections if they wanted. Doubt they wanted to.
jbigz12
Managing partner is key. He has final say
harrycarey
Sell it and move it elsewhere. Now that is a Sox fans dream or nightmare. People should do some history as that franchise has been a possible mover since the mid 1960s. They even played games in Milwaukee before the Pilots turned into the Brewers.
Zippy the Pinhead
The Pilots were stolen by that car salesman Bud Selig, who was later canonized as St. Bud of Milwaukee for making owners less answerable to their fans. It took a lawsuit to get the Mariners added in 1977, threatening that highly coveted antitrust exemption. Moving out of one of the largest Black regions in the country is closer to moving the Braves to a distant White suburb. At least when the Lakers moved from Inglewood, they moved downtown. Let the lawsuits begin. White Sox fans deserve better.
Mustard Tiger
Pinhead is the right name for you. An endless stream of non sequiturs.
nukeg
You can literally replace the name “Jerry Reinsdorf” and “White Sox” with “Arte Moreno” and “Angels” and this article still makes sense.
From owner meddling, questionable contracts, and now dangling the sale of the team, both men need to get the eff out of the league.
paddyo furnichuh
True, but his meddling with making LaRussa the manager seemed to be a single act that seemingly sank any progress the CWS were making.
What’s Moreno’s claim to infamy? Hamilton?
That was small potatoes compared to the slow motion train wreck that was LaRussa managing again.
No Salary Cap For You! (Come Back One Year)
What’s Moreno’s claim to infamy? Hamilton?
Well Pujols also… but he was in bed with some corrupt city officials including a mayor forced to resign due to corruption. He bought a franbchise fresh from a world series championship with a robust farm system and ran it to the ground. At least Reinsdorf won a WS.
ThatsIT?
Ran into the ground by spending money. Every time he did the fans loved vlad guerrero, pujols, Hamilton, rendon signings. Key is not to ever listen to fans, spending doesn’t equal winning.
pohle
not many real angels fans thought we needed rendon, or even hamilton. i thought hamilton’s and partially also wilson’s money only came from us because texas is a division rival, but we easily could have and should have spread some of that money around. moves like wells, pujols and rendon were easy to see failing because wells and pujols couldnt play defense, and we never needed rendon in the first place but arte pivoted from cole once that became clear he was not headed to anaheim. none of these were the fans doing
HalosHeavenJJ
I’m not sure which fans loved the Hamilton or Rendon signings. Nor the Vernon Wells trade. Nor Matt Harvey.
Nor promoting an intern to GM and firing the guy who just drafted Trout, Skaggs, and Grichuk in a single draft.
Nor cutting scouting and development budgets to the bone. Or abandoning Latin America for years.
Not the litany of lawsuits.
Bottom line is Moreno bought the World Series champs with a stocked farm and front office and turned it into a last place dumpster fire with a horrible farm system.
nukeg
100% this.
Rsox
On one hand, this might be the best news White Sox fans could ask for. On the other hand, Stewart was an awful executive.
Conundrum…
Bob Sacamano 310
He’s currently leading the charge for an expansion team in Nashville. Seems like some sort of bluff.
Atloriolesfan
Not a bluff at all. Why can’t anyone connect the dots and see that this is a move to Nashville?
avenger65
Atloriolesfan: The only thing that makes me think the move won’t happen is that Manfred stupidly wants to add two more teams. So, if the Sox moved to Nashville, there would still need to be two other cities to start new teams. If the Sox leave Chicago, I doubt we would get another team ever.
paddyo furnichuh
Bring on the Nashville Nightcrawlers
hiflew
Honestly, not a bad idea. The White Sox will NEVER surpass the Cubs as Chicago’s #1 team, Even when they were winning, they were a distant second to the Cubs. In Nashville, they would have and entire state and a large region all to themselves in the AL. The Southeast is nothing but Braves country, but there is almost zero presence in the AL.
hiflew
Avenger. There are still plenty of options for 2 expansion teams. Salt Lake City, Portland, San Jose/Oakland, San Antonio, Montreal, Charlotte. And that is just off the top of my head. There are probably some international options in Mexico they would look at also.
avenger65
hiflew: The cubs are the media’s number one team in Chicago. They create myths like that and people, especially those not in the Chicago area tend to believe what they read/hear. For instance,from what the media has told me, the nyy are the most popular team in the country. Wow!
hiflew
I would agree that the Yankees are the most popular team in the country. Considering there are 30 teams, just being the favorite team of 4% of fans would be above average. The Yankees are usually around 10-13% or so in any poll I have ever seen. But they are also the most hated team in the country by far. There are very few baseball fans that feel apathetic about the Yankees. You cannot say that about very many teams.
imissjoebuzas
The Nashville Bachelorettes !!!
It would be a very popular jersey on the bar crawl scene.
quade
The Cubs attendance increase really can be dated back to the mid 80s. When the neighborhood started changing. You may be a little young to remember Lakeview back then, it wasn’t always preppy club/bar city the way it is now. When the White Sox win they have comparable attendance, see 1991-1993, 2005-2008. The problem isn’t the media/fans etc. Its always been the owner. Reinsdorf’s only game is finance and profit is winning. This past year was one of his highest profit margins since he bought the team. And they lost 121 games!!! Also, that reason is why the White Sox won’t move. They make way way way to much money in a major market area to pack up and move, make less money and actually have to rely on stadium attendance. Currently, if the White Sox attendance stays below 1.9 million, Reinsdorf pays almost pennies on stadium rent. He saves an estimated 40-50 million dollars a year if the attendance is below 1.9 million. If its below 1.2, he saves even more. Here is how much Jerry is killing it. forbes.com/teams/chicago-white-sox/ 288 million in revenue, highest he’s ever had. Sure he’ll complain about the operating income but thats because that value doesn’t include all the endorsements, money from the city, sponsorships. Its just employee cost versus revenue generated from the product (IE ticket/food/bear/marketing sales). To sum up Chicago is big enough to easily support two teams where both owners bank. Even when one of the teams lost 121 games, their owners still has a financially sound invenstment.
metsin4
Is it him or the 12 billionaire Dave Stewart?
This one belongs to the Reds
I doubt it is the Eurythmics guy.
uvmfiji
Would I lie to you?
darkknight920
You might, but still a good one.
Rsox
According to the New York Post it’s “former big leaguer”. So unless the billionaire got a cup of coffee at the big league level it’s former Pitcher and D’backs GM Dave Stewart
metsin4
So how can he afford to buy a team? Who’s really the ones buying the team?
mlb fan
“Who’s really the ones buying”..Billionaires(trying to buy a team)normally bring in a popular, mostly figurehead front man to lead the sale.
When and if the the sale is completed, the front man often assumes a leadership role in the franchise or in many cases simply fades away, with many more dollars than he’d previously had. Think Nolan Ryan and the current owners of the Texas Rangers.
stymeedone
Its only 19% of a team.
Acoss1331
The bar is super low here, it’s new blood in ownership, we desperately need this!
avenger65
Acoss1331: It’s good news/bad news. Get Reinsdorf the hell out of baseball, but Stewart’s group wants to take the team out of Chicago. There is no lesser-of-two-evils in this situation.
Gwynning
Get yer popcorn ready, Pale Hose fans about to sound off!
This one belongs to the Reds
Me and TO are waiting with popcorn in hand.
Blackpink in the area
88 years old net worth of 2 billion with a b dollars. Good lord. Unless you find the fountain of youth Jerry you made mistakes. Your family loves you for it though……
NYCityRiddler
Deal is contingent on bringing La Russa back. Ahahaha!
rememberthecoop
Unfortunately for Sox fans, he never left. LaRussa is still a very close advisor to baseball ops.
Goose
I have $5 and a fresh pack a gum. I know it’s an overpay but I feel good I can make it back.
After going to their stadium, seeing that team and experiencing how the staff treats the fans THIS is a welcome change.
Blackpink in the area
What exactly is the staff doing to the fans?
snoopy369
Depends on who you call staff (the vendors are chill for example), but a great example is the “Jerry Rainout” where we all know it’s going to rain all night but he waits until 10pm to call the game, keeping fans in for 3 hours to buy food/drinks…
Blackpink in the area
Are you serious? You mad they didn’t call a rain out early enough???
Armaments216
So it’s an obvious rainout and yet you choose to stay anyway? So just in case it’s not called, you’ll be there witness the loss?
rennick
I can’t say I know the inner workings of how a rainout is decided, but I have a feeling that owners have no voice in the decision.
rememberthecoop
Actually, they do. The home ballpark had a say for sure.
rennick
They do? Huh, I never would have imagined that. I figured it had to do with the umpiring crew and MLB.
For Love of the Game
Snoopy, they still lost money because there were only 12 people in the stands.
avenger65
FTLOTG: There’s a video on Youtube of a guy who flew from LaGuardia to Chicago to watch his favorite team, the Rangers, play the Sox. He counted about 100 fans. He was able to move anywhere in the stands, there was so much room. Seems it finally got through reinsdorf’s thick head that we won’t pay for what he created: the second worst team of all time. He should pack up his ventriloquist dummy (tlr) in his suitcase and take him with on their way out of town.
Blackpink in the area
Yeah you don’t have to support your team when it loses. But you could. If you did you would be the Cubs who are a legitimate franchise instead of whatever the White Sox are.
stymeedone
You forgot to mention it was a day night double header, caused by a rain out the night before. There weren’t any advanced sales for that surprise day game on a weekday, after school had started. Yes, their attendance has been bad, but lets not make that seem like a typical game.
rememberthecoop
Actually, it’s a very fan friendly environment. Best food I’ve ever had at a ballpark. Cheap tickets. Bad baseball, of course, but I say all this even though I’m a Cubs fan.
Chuck from Uniontown
Popcorn guy turned me into a newt.
stymeedone
I heard you got better. The White Sox? Not so much.
NYCityRiddler
Now that Jerry has hit a new record low & sucked the last ounce of hope, pride & dignity out of the team & everyone on the South side he figures there’s no where to go but up. Mission accomplished, time to move on. Ahahahahaha!
User 4245925809
Is it the staff, or the ‘hood the stadium is in that’s the worst? Isn’t the stadium located in like the least safest locales of chi-town? just asking, something had read/heard, or was that Comisky park towards the end of it’s time in use.
Dogbone
It’s far from being in the worst neighborhood in Chicago.
16
It may not be the worst but it’s nowhere damn close to a nice or ideal location. It’s right across from where Comisky was located. A Nashville or Suburbs move would do the franchise well.
RWH 2
You know nothing about Chicago. A suburban location would be inaccessible given traffic. The Bears decided not to move to Arlington Heights.
Pads Fans
I thought the Bears didn’t move because they couldn’t get public funding at the Arlington Park site and the Bears didn’t want to pay enough property tax to support the school district?
I know that other suburban cities like Naperville, Waukegan, Aurora, Rockford, and Richton Park were interested, but didn’t want to fork over public funding either.
They need to just build a waterfront stadium on the parking lot to the south of Soldier Field and privately finance it like the Rams did in LA. .
rememberthecoop
It’s fine. As long as you don’t head east.
MTG
Some buddies and I rented an AirBNB in Bronzeville a few years ago for an event. When the one local guy saw where we were at, he said “It’s definitely rough.” We went to a store on foot and there were some sketchy individuals, and people going through trash cans and stuff, but it’s not as bad as some of the places I’ve seen in California.
RWH 2
Bronzeville is the neighborhood to the east. It is gentrifying. There are no more public housing projects.
RWH 2
Your experience is out of date. And we all know by “sketchy” you mean Blacks.
slidingintobase
The area around the ballpark is fine. Even East is fine. Plenty of new development plus the university over there. Biggest problem is the ballpark is sandwiched between an expressway and RR tracks and immediately surrounded by parking lots. The lots could be replaced with new development but the location would still feel disconnected from surrounding neighborhoods.
RWH 2
You know nothing about Chicago. Bridgeport is vibrant. There is a lot of new investment in housing. It is safe, except on game days when the fans leave the ballpark and race down our residential streets. The ballpark is 10-15 minutes by el from downtown. It is surrounded by parking. There is a festive atmosphere pre-game because of all the tailgating. But that PO’s JR because people are drinking their own beer and not his overpriced Modelo inside.
JR has it in his 88 year old mind that all his problems are because of GRF and Bridgeport. No, all is problems were created by him. He made sure the ballpark faced away from downtown, and he made sure the local bars near old Comiskey were demolished. He also took the Sox off free TV and made them pay per view. Epic fail. That opened the doors to the Cubs who took Harry Caray and put him and the Cubs on cable TV everywhere in the USA. Fifty years ago, before all this, you couldn’t give away Cubs tickets because that team was bad and that neighborhood was really poor. You young folks assume the Cubs have always been No. 1 and that is not true. Wrigley didn’t even have lights until 1987!
Dogbone
They should sell to a group headed by . . . tight pants Tony LaRussa.
Tony and Guilliani use the same hair dye.
User 4245925809
Didn’t LaRussa always have the brow of his ballcap absolutely straight all the time, like Lou Pinella always did? very, very few guys did, just those 2 can think of right away and always remember Pinella playing with that hat brim, like making sure it was 100% straight and not bent in any way.
rememberthecoop
I’m sure Jerry will want to chew on that offer awhile…
Acoss1331
Praise the effing baseball gods!!!
Please let this happen!!!
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, can he sell the Bulls too, please?!
Acoss1331
I’m not greedy, but yes I’d love for that to happen too! His loyalty to Jerry Krause is a stain on the Jordan/Jackson era…
Oldguy58
No not to Krause. His loyalty to Gar/Pax set the franchise back years
roob
You’re both right.
Dumpster Divin Theo
To be fair, there would be no Jordan Jackson era without Crumbs
rememberthecoop
Not at all. In fact, it was Krause who made the trade to get Pippen in the draft. And he was the one who brought in guys like Rodman, Cartwright, Kerr, and he didn’t give in to Jordan’s trade demands. Those would have turned out awful (shades of MJ as an exec maybe?). The players hated Krause. But he also hired Phil Jackson.
Acoss1331
True, but Krause was also set on breaking up the team, that’s what did it.
Dumpster Divin Theo
You’re both right. Like that French revolution beer documentary. It is both! It is both! It’s both
Dumpster Divin Theo
It is both! It is both!
Gwynning
Taste great ANNDDD less filling!
RWH 2
For anyone to think that the Bulls won because of Jerry Krause is just nuts. There was one reason: Michael Jordan. And JR did everything he could to minimize that by giving so much credit to fat Jerry Krause instead of his great player. Tone deaf, and he remains so.
Dumpster Divin Theo
How many titles did MJ win without Scottie? I’ll hang up and listen to your answer
The Natural
I’d have to disagree. Jordan is the GOAT; no question. But Krause did a brilliant job of feeding Phil Jackson exactly what he needed player wise year after year.
He typically had an excellent rotation of defensive minded centers like Cartwright, Perdue, Longley, Williams and others. The hack a Shaq strategy kept rings off his fingers.
He always had a nice rotation of 3 point shooters with Paxson, Kerr and Armstrong and great defenders like Harper and Rodman. Pair that with an excellent power forward like Ho Grant and 2 of the best defenders in the NBA (Jordan and Pippen) and you get a dynasty.
The Natural
Bill Wennington was another of those excellent rotational centers and deserves to be mentioned.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Right – those centers and then the stealth move to bring in Dennis when he was untouchable, not to mention the pioneer move to bring in the Euro matchup nightmare Toni Kukoc when European imports were still somewhat of a novelty, paving the way for the globalization the game. MJ the goat – but accompanied by four other hall of famers
numberoneslayerfan
this will be a totally rational comments section filled with levelheaded people, right?
Samuel
More like the locker room of a team that just won the World Series.
Gwynning
On and on, south of Heaven.
CalcetinesBlancos
David Stewart? Maybe he can recruit Annie Lennox to sing the anthem.
snoopy369
Darragh, April Fools day is in April, not October… don’t get my hopes up here please!
IronBallsMcGinty
This is the best White Sox news I’ve heard in a long time. I had wondered if it was a reason he was lowering payroll.
HalosHeavenJJ
Best of luck White Sox fans.
Side note: White Sox games are one of my insider tips for the Cactus League. The facility is gorgeous, tickets are usually cheap, and the back fields are incredible. You can even bring your own lunch and beverages to the back fields and watch prospects before heading into the game.
Just in case anybody is considering heading out there.
Acoss1331
Sending positive vibes to you and your fellow Angels fans! I hope Arte Moreno is a goner too!
bkbk
It sucks to watch your neighbors live your dream
rennick
I’ve been there many times, I live just a few miles away. You’re right, it’s a great facility.
rememberthecoop
They share it with the Dodgers, if I’m not mistaken.
Big Hurt
Sweet Fancy Moses make it be real.
Samuel
Reinsdorf to Steve Stone who is walking into Guaranteed Rate field:
“We’ll always have 2005”.
Putting his arm around his chief financial advisor:
“I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship”.
For Love of the Game
I propose MLBTR readers create a GoFundMe and present the offer to Jerry. We can probably scare up tens of thousands of dollars. Think he’ll go for it just to get out from under?
Acoss1331
Lol if anything if that happens, Jerry will keep the team just to spite the fans!
2012orioles
This one’s for you, White Sox Dave
whosehighpitch
Owners should be held responsible for how crappy their franchise is. Reinsdorf does have a World Series in hand but this year was an awful excuse for a baseball team. Bob Nutting should take a hint from Reinsdorf and put the Pirates up for sale too
avenger65
whosehighpitch: The commissioner should have told Reinsdorf to either field a competitive team or sell it. But Manfred is paid by the owners so that would never happen. It would be nice if the rest of the owners cared enough about the game that they would tell Reinsdorf what Manfred won’t.
niched
Maybe the other owners want the terrible owners to stick around so they can reliably kick their teams’ asses next season too.
CKinSTL
Can we hold the players at least a little bit accountable?
They are paying big bucks to guys like Moncada, Benintendi, Eloy, Robert.. and all of them either terribly underperforming, were constantly injured, or both.
They made a modest attempt at contending before the 2023 with all that dead weight and it failed miserably and made the problem worse.
There was no sensible option but full rebuild.
Khs
Well, it’s actually “Sale of Atlanta Braves” – if he’s this behind on team transactions, it’s no wonder everyone hates this guy as owner!
James Midway
Hope he does for our Pale Hose friends.
Samuel
Actually, I don’t think it’s Jerry……
Figure the investors – that own the majority of shares – see a mess; are sick of being ridiculed by friends, family, and strangers; and see
a chance to cash out bigtime.
Aiden Awe
Only issue is Stewart will move the Wsox to Nashville if approved.
solaris602
Solid maybe on that one. When it comes to baseball, Dave Stewart was a successful pitcher, and it ended there. His stint in AZ couldn’t have gone worse, and I’ve not heard of anything he’s done successfully since.
jbigz12
How rich are Dave Stewart’s backers because there’s no way in hell that he has anywhere near enough for this
niched
Stewart seems like the kind of guy who hangs around because he’s well connected and ambitious.
User 228032946
Word in Pittsburgh is that Bob Nutjob Nutting is texting with Jerry. Nutjob wants to know how the pirates can lose 121 games and then move the team to Erie Pennsylvania
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Do you get a team? Or just Jerry’s Executive Gold Plated Bathroom?
stymeedone
Better yet. Do you get the whole team or just Jerry’s 19%?
30 Parks
Fire Chris Getz.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Fire drunk sleepy Tony
King Floch
I would say this is great news for White Sox fans except for the tidbit other posters are pointing out about Stewart leading the charge to get Nashville an MLB team.
Man, that would really be the ultimate parting “F*** YOU” to disgruntled ChiSox fans if Scary Jerry sold the team to a group he knew full well was going to try to move it to another city. Seems kind of on-brand for him though.
Fingers crossed for you lads.
Blackpink in the area
He’s 88 years old what the heck does he care?
Chicago already has the Cubs. They will manage if that’s what happens.
avenger65
Blackpink: Chicago 101: Sox fans HATE the cubs!!!
stymeedone
Whole different situation if they are the only team in town.
avenger65
stymeedone: Even if the Sox play on Mars, I will always hate the cubs.
King Floch
That is very easy for you to say, BITA. It isn’t the team you have been a fan of for your entire life on the chopping block after all.
Lifelong ChiSox fans probably would disagree though.
Blackpink in the area
People in Nashville have never had a big league team to cheer for. People on the south side of Chicago will have to drive a little ways to visit the north side.
King Floch
Except that isn’t how it works.
If the Angelos family had sold the Orioles to someone who moved the team to Nashville instead of a local billiionaire and lifelong Orioles fan, I wouldn’t have just automatically become a Nationals fan simply because they are a 45 minute drive to the south. I just wouldn’t have a team to root for anymore because the team I had been a diehard fan of for my entire life was taken away from me, and would therefore probably just stop following MLB altogether.
Blackpink in the area
You most likely would have become a Nationals fan eventually. Or you would simply not watch baseball anymore. I am from St Louis i went through this with the football team. It’s not that big of a deal.
King Floch
I have no emotional attachment to the Nationals. I did not go to Nats games with my deceased father as a kid. I did not collect Nats players’ baseball cards obsessively. I did not play the Nats in all of my baseball video games. They are just another team to me, no different than, like, the Brewers or Marlins or any other team I have no strong feelings about one way or the other. I am an Orioles fan and the Nats are not the Orioles.
Just because you do not see it as a problem, does not mean that other people feel the same way.
Gwynning
Just to interject- we lost the Chargers recently, and yes they didn’t go far, far away… but we’re no longer fans of the team. Asking San Diegans to root for anything LA is verboten, honestly. The owners turned their back on an entire fanbase/county and almost nobody down here (anecdotally speaking) follows the Chargers anymore. We were Season Ticket holders and I don’t know of one person that continues to go to games, and no, we did not become Rams fans to compensate. The NFL is virtually dead to San Diegans and it’s quite sad really. Many Super Bowls here… and now the League is a ghost to us.
Blackpink in the area
It’s not that I don’t see it as a problem it’s simply not my choice. I haven’t cared about football since the Rams left. That’s just the way it is. A business owner has the right to do what they feel is best for their business. And I have the right to stop caring.
Blackpink in the area
Yes Randy that’s how I feel about football as well. Nothing we as fans can do about it.
Gwynning
So, by your own admission, you didn’t just move your loyalty to the nearest team in the Colts or Chiefs? MLB fans wouldn’t be any different. Good day!
Blackpink in the area
It’s your choice. In the case of the Cubs and White Sox they are the same city. If you live in Chicago and don’t want to cheer for a Chicago baseball team then so be it.
King Floch
Gwynning- Yeah, that was the general sentiment here in Baltimore after the Colts left and before the Ravens arrived, that there simply was no NFL team to root for (despite the Washington Redsk…er, football team being close by) so who cares?
BITA- Maybe ChiSox fans like baseball and don’t want that taken away from them.
Gwynning
Bingo Floch. I never wanted to lose my Bolts, but it’s not like I’m going to burn my Seau, Gates, Fouts, Rivers, Cromartie, LT21 jerseys & shirts now but I sure as h3ll ain’t gunna support them anymore. The very thought of driving to LA to pay to watch them play sickens me. My choice, I get it… but literally everybody around here feels the same. I would actually give Charger tickets away if I won them today. Yes, I’m not in tune with every single San Diego resident, but the feelings are overwhelmingly duplicated by my large circle of friends, family, neighbors, co-workers, golfers, concierge, waitresses, cashiers, fellow ballplayers, etc. etc.
Blackpink in the area
Maybe if the White Sox fans liked baseball so much they should support their team even when the team isn’t playing well.
Again Chicago has 2 teams. If they suddenly have 1 then so be it.
Gwynning
Sup King! I have to believe Nashville or Memphis will get an expansion franchise. I can’t possibly imagine ditching the 3rd largest market and leaving it with one team will be “OK’d” by The League …
niched
Chicago is smaller than the Bay Area and they’re letting the A’s leave
BaseballisLife
Chicago is the 3rd largest media market. The Bay Area is 10th.
niched
Yeah if you go by DMA it looks like Chicago is certainly a bigger TV market than the Bay Area even though they’re close to the same size in terms of population. I guess that means people in Chicago watch a lot more TV than people in the Bay Area. Actually the Chicago metro area has just under 9.8 million people while the Bay Area has just over 9 million people — and I thought it was the reverse. Both regions are shrinking but it looks like the Bay Area is shrinking faster.
Still my point remains I don’t think the White Sox are safe from relocation if the A’s are not safe. Honestly, I doubt the Angles are safe from it either, but at least the Angels are more than 30 miles from Dodger Stadium — in Orange County and not LA County. That’s quite a bit further than the White Sox are from the Cubs. Of all the smaller teams in big markets I think only the Mets have no risk of being relocated. Lately the O’s were often rumored to be a team that could be moved, being so close to the Nats. But the O’s now have a new, deep pocketed owner with Baltimore ties — and they benefit from being the older team in the region.
Basically I think very few people want to see another team get moved. Vegas could blow up in the face of the A’s. Time will tell.
BaseballisLife
Population has little to do with it, but even there the difference is large. 8.9 million in Chicago vs 7.5 million in Bay Area in 2023. Chicago metro grew slightly. 21,000 in 2023.
When it comes to TV households the difference is huge. Again more than 1 million. 50% larger.
The A’s are attempting to move because John Fisher is cash flow poor and they are his cash cow. He sucks $60-80 million out of the revenue sharing teat every year and it’s how he feeds his lifestyle. Other than stock he inherited and two sports teams he has no significant sources of income. MLB threatened to take away the revenue sharing so he purposely tanked the team and torpedoed negotiations on multiple stadiums in the Bay Area over the last decade plus so he could continue to collect that money.
Orioles own a majority of the Nats media market and will for as long as the team is there. I never thought they would move.
niched
According to wikipedia the combined statistical area of the Bay Area has a population of just over 9 million, while the combined Chicago area is just under 9.8 million. And both the Bay Area and Chicago lost population in 2023 (as did most major metro areas in the Northeast, Midwest and California).
Here’s the wikipedia link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area
I know a bit about John Fisher’s situation, but Jerry Reinsdorf has his own issues, even if they’re different from the A’s. First of all, just look at the local TV ratings just for the White Sox. They’re among the worst in the league, understandably with their record, but which still provides a pretext for Jerry if he tries to sell to an owner who wants to move the team. Jerry may not need to tank the team to fund his lifestyle, but there’s little reason to spend money on free agents without a full rebuild happening first. It’s hard to see why the White Sox would try to hang onto Robert, Moncada, Crochet or any other players that an bring back a decent return of prospects. And for any veterans that can’t get any return, why pay them? I’m not saying there’s a good chance the White Sox will move, but I think it’s foolish to believe it could never happen.
Re the Orioles, I’m an O’s fan and follow them closely. They have benefitted from the MASN deal, but it’s perhaps unlikely to last. During the Angelos era there has been endless litigation between the O’s and Nats. More recently John Angelos appeared to suggest the team could move if the city of Baltimore or the state of Maryland did not give him what he wanted in the way of public investment in surrounding land to develop. Anyway, the Angelos era is in the past with new owners. But before Rubenstein showed up to (hopefully) rescue the team from years of poor management there was much speculation in the media and among the fans the team could move. Now that seems very unlikely, at least as long as Rubenstein is around. Back to MASN, who knows how long that deal will hold and if even MASN will survive with all the turmoil in the local RSN tv model that appears to be falling apart.
BaseballisLife
That’s the problem, Wikipedia. Use a legitimate source, not one that any moron can edit.
Over the last decade the White Sox TV ratings were 2 full Nielsen points higher.
niched
You only need to check to see it’s from the US Census Bureau, which you can corroborate by looking at the spreadsheets on the US Census Bureau’s site.
Don’t know what you mean that over the last decade the White Sox’s Nielsen ratings were 2 points higher.
Pants Rowland
40 years too late …
Reinsdorf stopped caring about winning by 1986.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Except 2005 and 2008, you’re just 20 years off but right idea
Pants Rowland
The 2005 Sox team won it all because of happenstance, not from any plan for sustaining success.
Dumpster Divin Theo
You must be fun at parties
Pants Rowland
Two words: Terry Bevington
The facts are self evident that after 40-plus years Reisndorf stopped giving a damn about winning a long time ago.
Anyone pointing to 2005 to say otherwise tells me the entire span of Reindorf’s tenure is being overlooked.
My guess is that Reinsdorf realized in the mid to late 80’s that winning or losing wasn’t the goal because the team would still appreciate in value. No motivation to win, but the money continues to roll in.
Remember the owners colluding in the 1980s to not pay pay premium free agents? Or, how about Reinsdorf publicly being out front in the owners attempt to break the players union? … Andrew Benintendi being the biggest free agent signing in 40 years speaks volumes.
A fish rots from the head down. — Reinsdorf was always the problem.
Pads Fans
Jerry found out that Chicago and the state of Illinois were absolutely not going to finance a new stadium for him and now he is willing to sell.
Someone mentioned Groupon co-founder Eric Lefkofsky, who lives in Chicago and is founder of Tempus AI which is HQ in Chicago, in relation to the Twins possible sale. He was rumored to be interested in the White Sox before. Maybe he will step up and put together a group to buy the White Sox now?
Dave Stewart might have a net worth of $10-12 million, so he would just be the face of any group like Jeter in Miami. He would need someone like Lefkofsky
Acoss1331
Question for you since you’re far more familiar with this sort of stuff.
By tanking the team this year, with a low payroll and by having such a horrendous season, did Jerry devalue the team, and is this also a factor in selling now before the team loses even more value?
jbigz12
Nope. Clean payroll slate is good for a valuation. New owner can clean house and build a real org.
BaseballisLife
I agree with jbigz. In most of the recent sales, the teams had lowered payroll prior to the sale.
Pads Fans
There are only 30 teams, so there is little an owner can do to devalue the team.
avenger65
Thanks, Pads Fans, for giving me some hope that Stewart’s group isn’t the only one that might be interested in buying the team.
Pads Fans
YW. You have to wonder how much of this in mentioning Stewart, who lead a group trying to bring a team to Nashville, is Reinsdorf and his ownership group trying to put the fear of moving into the minds of the city and state so that they give him the $1 billion he asked for to build a new stadium. I doubt that will have any effect on getting public money for Reinsdorf.
If I understand correctly, taxpayers are still paying for the renovations at Comiskey or whatever its called now.
bravesfan
88, the team stinks, I’m gonna profit off this. Might as well sell them at this point. What’s the point of keeping them. Won’t be here much longer, might as well spend all my money or someone else will spend it for me.
unglar
Nashville White Sox? Seems like the owner wants to twist the knife in fans guts. That Oakland lost its team should scare every smaller organizations fans.
I know fans hate Jerry but would you rather have them stay in Chicago with current ownership or get new ownership but they plan to move to Nashville?
YankeesBleacherCreature
It’s Chicago. They’re not going anywhere. Nashville will have to wait until expansion.
stymeedone
@unglar
Oakland is moving to an even smaller market. If CWS moves to Nashville, they, too would be moving to a smaller market. So what exactly should small markets worry about?
RWH 2
JR wants a billion dollars of Chicago and Illinois taxpayer money. Our public schools and public transportation system are higher priorities than a baseball stadium. Study after academic study has shown that public money just enriches the owner and the financial benefits to the public are few. JR can take his ball club and leave. He says he can’t make money in Chicago but he can in much smaller Nashville? Only dopes can’t make money in Chicago. Good riddance, JR.
Old York
Sell it to the MLBTR readers. They would make great owners.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Could you imagine, player personnel decisions by proxy poll
Old York
@Dumpster Divin Theo
You can’t tell me you don’t want to run the White Sox, do you? Haha! This is our chance to make an all-time record of 0-162 season.
Dumpster Divin Theo
My fantasy baseball team finished a distant 8th but 1st in steals. So that’s how I’d manage the club- just run, doesn’t matter where or when.
Old York
@Dumpster Divin Theo
How about only those who are subscribed get to make decisions / vote?
Peons like you and I would have no say…
Gwynning
Just keep bringing sandwiches to the boardroom and I’ll let you two know how the votes are going…
Dumpster Divin Theo
Jimmy John or Mikey Mike?
Gwynning
Fu… anything but Subway!
getrealgone2
Pop the champagne, Sox fans.
Palehosed85
It’s what I’ve been hoping for, with a caveat. I don’t want my team to get relocated to Nashville. It’s nothing against the city, I love going there, but I grew up rooting for the CHICAGO White Sox. It would feel like being abandoned really, though the way JR has run this organization into the ground, it’s fair to say that we were all abandoned long before.
I won’t truly get excited until I find out who the Chicago execs are that are being entertained. This team belongs in Chicago. It’s as simple as that.
rotofool
Stewart left the Music City Baseball group last November. I have hopes he’d be keeping it on the SouthSide, which is due for a renaissance.
mad1
Sox fans it could be worse, you could have the Ricketts family as owners
Dumpster Divin Theo
So true, so true
sss847
If you’re gonna threaten to sell to get leverage from the city, come up with a better buyer than Dave Stewart
benhen77
Owners need to be careful. Too many teams on the market at one time might mess with valuations.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Sweet Dreams are Made of This!
Aiden Awe
I hope JR sells the Wsox to George Lucas.
This one belongs to the Reds
Star Wars night every night!
Dumpster Divin Theo
Or the Ewox
bpskelly
The fact that he paid twice as much for the White Sox as the Bulls in a similar era, and now the Bulls are most certainly worth more than the White Sox speaks to how baseball has stalled out.
Blame Bud. Blame Manfred. But the lack of forward thinkers business-wise in baseball has harmed the sport. I’d argue irreparably.
The fact that the Savannah Bananas are a traveling road show and are selling out stadiums right and left speaks to it.
MLB needs new leadership. And probably more than a few new owners.
metsin4
He paid 20 million for the White Sox in 1985. He paid 16 million for the Bulls a couple years later. Not even close to double. He owes Michael Jordan for the increase in the Bulls. I’m sure baseball is doing just fine when a team value goes from $20 million to around$3 Billion in a little over 40 years.
jbigz12
Pretty sure he just bought a managing stake so they would’ve been valued higher than $20MM at the time.
Also, I’d bet the ChiSox sell for under $2B now. Not that it changes the overall point of what you’re saying.
EM41
Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then Fisher, Montfort and Moreno next.
Non Roster Invitee
Great time to sell Dorf. Pennies on the dollar.
settledownitsjustagame
This filthy rich fool isn’t selling anything.
deepseamonster32
Cleared out the Bay for the Giants, now Manfred going to give the Cubs all of Chicagoland.
Larry D.
This has to make White Sox fans happy.
TheGr8One
I know Sox fans have Jerry and rightfully so but as a mariners fan I’d take all the crap he’s done to know what 2005 feels like once.
rotofool
Being a fan of both the Sox & M’s, it has been totally worth it! Keep the faith, M’s is coming…
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
I’ve never known what it’s like to have my favorite team go to the WS and only once can I remember us even being in October
JackStrawb
It feels good. Like walking on air. Sweet, warm air.
avenger65
ZackMorris: If Stewart buys the club intending to move it out of Chicago, then it’s not such great news. Although finally getting rid of Reinsdorf, who should have never owned the Sox to begin with, is awesome. Hard to know what to feel about all this.And, yes, we deserve better!
Yankeesforever
with the depth this franchise has fallen too, if Shoeless Joe Jackson were finally allowed into the HOF, the family would prefer a hide his face paper bag over the White Sox cap to represent Joe’s team.
darkknight920
Honest question: Would White Sox fans become Cubs fans if they moved to Nashville?
Hughjass39
no
ohyeadam
Who would they choose? Twins? Tigers? Brewers? Cards? Cleveland? Pitt?
Rambler303
Hard no, never. Will never ever become a cubs fan.
RWH 2
No. Milwaukee here we come.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
He should sell the Bulls while he’s at. Buy one get one 50% off.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
White Sox fans are rejoicing right now
MacGromit
Minor league contraction continues.
The White Sox under Jerry’s awful guardianship has really just become a feeder team for talent to fill other clubs.
Chicago fans deserve better. Jerry, please take your 19% of $2B or whatever and find a new hobby messing something else up.
SupremeZeus
This is a meager attempt by Reinsdorf to pressure politicians to support his 78 stadium dream of extorting taxpayers or they’re Nashville bound. Dave Stewart is a clown (ask Dbacks fans) that doesn’t understand modern baseball and lacks a billionaire backer to purchase any mlb team. Can’t teach an old dog new tricks.
thickiedon
THE infamously terrible GM Dave Stewart?!?
Human Being
Trade the White Sox ownership for the Twins ownership.
nrd1138
It would be the ultimate ‘FU’ from a petty weasel of an owner to sell to someone who wants to move the club to Nashville, or worse yet, be ‘The Chairman 2.0’.
If he sells to someone that wants to move the club, make them leave the name and then find someone that would be willing to build something in Chicago.
carlos15
Time to sell low
The Ghost Of Greg Gross
**sound of champagne popping in Chicago**
Niekro floater
Jordan could put group together n purchase team, he was in there farm system. Chicago hero saves the day.
darkknight920
Like Mario for the Penguins. Saved that team as a player, then saved them as an owner.
Ezpkns34
Curious to see how he manages to screw it up
User 2770661946
Baseball is losing one of the greatest owners in its history. Being forced out by cancel culture will not tarnish his legacy. In fact, it only makes hiim more heroic.
darkknight920
Heroic is a word you don’t often see associated with Jerry. Even he would probably agree on that.
Angels & NL West
Someday there will be a story about Arte Moreno selling the Angels. On that day, the sun will shine brighter, the flowers will bloom like never before and Angels fans everywhere will rejoice. Until then, the Angels forecast is for dark clouds with a 100% chance of ineptitude.
Citizen1
19% majority owner controlling interest. Complicated deal to purchase 19% of a club and be a managing partner. Who else owns the Sox is a mystery . Baseball gods angry – sets the record for most losses then their what could have been Florida Sox stadium loses its roof.
tjmacari
Just for fun, by 2030:
– White Sox relocate to Nashville (Cubs only CHI team)
– A’s relocate to Vegas (Giants only bay area team)
– Rays relocate to Sacramento (Oakland will host them in 2025)
– DBacks relocate to SLC
– Expansion: Portland and Charlotte (yes, even with Nashville)
Pads Fans
I don’t think that would be fun for the owners. MLB loses $180-2000 million in annual broadcast revenue by losing 4.9-5.0 million TV households in those moves.
The expansion would add in almost 2 million TV households, but long term that would not be a smart set of moves by MLB.
slimeecito
How many years too late?
Pads Fans
40?
loandinside
Wait, is this the same Dave Stewart who as a general manager wasn’t good at identifying players, and as a player wasn’t good at identifying cross-dressers?
LordD99
Who owns the other 81%?
YankeesBleacherCreature
Undisclosed. Reinsdorf owns 19% of the controlling shares. Some board members may or may not own minority shares.
mlb.com/whitesox/team/front-office
LordD99
Strange and probably contributes to the disfunction around the team. Clearly no other single entity owns more than JR’s 19%.
greg1
I hope for Sox fans that this is true.
olmtiant
Worst owner ever?? Really.. while I’m not going to be Perry Mason and defend him too much he did get one in 2005/ had his team ,Al if not all of mlb favorites to win it all a few years ago…,cue Tim/ Jackie/ Anderson… and that one little check mark in NBA… “6”… so really he has 7 / Wirtz-3 thanks to Rocky/ McCasky1 ( just the thought of him going woof/woof/woof) makes me cringe and Tommy R-1… you wanna say his stadium sucks go right ahead I’ll agree.. Time has passed him by… probably ( see Jerry Jones) but worst owner… not by a long shot… if anything very loyal to a fault to his advisers…
quade
2005 was luck. Honestly it really was. The White Sox got AJ cheap because no one wanted him. They didn’t want to pay Magglio money so let him walk in free agency and took at the time a lesser manageable contract in Dye. They traded Carlos Lee for Scotty Pods. Something that would be ridiculous with today’s player value metrics. Picked up Bobby Jenks in a rule 5 draft. Traded for Contreras because the Yankees just wanted to dump him. Juan Uribe was a Colorado cast off. Iguchi was a cheap gamble. The list goes on and on. 2005 was great, but it was sort of an everything ended up right whilst ownership attempted to do everything wrong.
Billg7987
Why not move? Better to be the only baseball team in a growing city than second banana in a dying one.
Pads Fans
Billg, not sure what you are talking about. Population, GDP, and per capita income have all gone up for Chicago Metro since 2022
jsklfc
This feels like the only logical way Jerry can complete his villain story arc: give the fans what they want by selling the team to a baseball great, but sell it to a baseball great who had his fingerprints all over the destruction of another team and wants to relocate the team to another city
WestVillageTiger
I’ve got this idea for a TV series where two hyper competitive tech bros (think Elon and Zuck) decide to buy rival baseball teams and spend wildly to beat the snot out of each other.
And NOW, the Twins and the White Sox are for sale!!!
This sets up sooo perfectly for the post-election 2025 reality TV season!
User 2770661946
Dave Stewart is only involved to push his black ownership agenda. He won’t actually put up more than a couple million (if he even has that) of his own money. This whole thing is a sham
drewm
says a broke white guy
User 2770661946
Muting you and your kind
drewm
Thanks!
User 228032946
Lmfao
cwsOverhaul
Oprah and some hand picked partners are ready to make a bid to keep the club in Chicago……wishful thinking as she would hire some competent baseball people to run the show if her name is on it.
drdback
Any group associated with Dave Stewart in ownership would only make the team worse, if that is imaginable.
PeteRose’s Bookie
The Nashville White Sox
DarrenDreifortsContract
A terrible owner who got lucky with Michael Jordan.
Selling out games is more important than winning championships to him.
joeflaccosunibrow
Selling at a low point has to have a negative hit on the potential sales price.
This one belongs to the Reds
If they can find a buyer for a low revenue team in this screwed up system.
JackStrawb
Depends on attendance projections and salary commitment, but yeah, winning 12 games in 2024 isn’t going to boost their value.
YanksPhan42
YES!!! PLEASE move here to Nash. That stadium will be packed nightly!
Thornton Mellon
Hope this pans out for the White Sox fans. I understand the warm feeling of hope as an Orioles fan – we just did this.
brentj277
I strongly suspect that this is just a leverage ploy by Reinsdorf to get the public to pay for his new playground
JackStrawb
Always a good idea to send your asset into the toilet before looking for a buyer.