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The David Bednar Question

By Anthony Franco | October 16, 2024 at 11:23pm CDT

David Bednar has been the subject of trade speculation for the past few seasons. For the most part, that was a testament to his effectiveness. Bednar broke out as a leverage reliever with 60 2/3 innings of 2.23 ERA ball during his first season with the Pirates in 2021. He carried that into the ninth inning. Between 2022-23, the big righty combined for a 2.27 ERA while striking out more than 30% of batters faced over 111 appearances. He locked down 58 games, including an NL-leading 39 saves in 2023.

That production came on rebuilding teams. Pittsburgh was nowhere close to the postseason. Other teams no doubt tried to pry Bednar away, but the Bucs never seemed interested in moving him. He’s a Pittsburgh native who looked like a lockdown late-game weapon. The Bucs control him through 2026 and surely envisioned fielding a playoff team before then.

Bednar could resurface as a trade candidate in the coming weeks but under much different circumstances. He’s coming off by far the worst season of his career. The question now is not whether the Pirates should sell high on an affordable, breakout closer. It’s whether to move on in a cost-saving measure at a time when his trade value has hit a low ebb.

Even with the understanding that reliever performance can be volatile, Bednar’s 2024 season is confounding. After rattling off consecutive sub-3.00 performances in his first three full seasons, he allowed 5.77 earned runs per nine this year. That’s not a reflection of poor batted ball results that could be dismissed as luck. Bednar’s peripherals tanked across the board.

His strikeout rate had landed between 28% and 33% in each of his first three years. That fell to 22.1% this past season, slightly below the league average for relievers. Bednar’s walk percentage jumped from the 7-8% range to nearly 11%. He allowed more home runs (nine) in 57 2/3 innings this year than he’d given up (seven) across 119 frames in the previous two seasons combined. Bednar lost a lot of whiffs on both his four-seam fastball and curveball compared to prior seasons. Opponents teed off on the heater, in particular, hitting .256 and connecting on six longballs.

Bednar started the season terribly, allowing 14 runs in 10 innings through the end of May. He managed much better results over the next two months, albeit without the level of swing-and-miss to which he’d been accustomed. Bednar missed a couple weeks leading into the All-Star Break with an oblique strain. The wheels came completely off coming out of the Break, as he gave up 16 runs over his next 14 2/3 frames.

The Pirates, who had plummeted from contention, pulled Bednar from the ninth inning at the end of August. By that point in the year, the focus was on getting him right going into the offseason. Bednar’s run prevention in September was better, as he allowed a manageable five runs (four earned) over 10 2/3 frames. Yet he walked another 10 hitters with nine strikeouts in mostly low-leverage spots. It wasn’t a resounding finish.

It’d be easier to explain the dip in performance if Bednar’s velocity had tanked coming back from the oblique strain. That’s not the case. His fastball averaged north of 97 MPH from the start of May onward. His 97.2 MPH average heater for the season was the highest of his career. Bednar didn’t lose any life on his splitter or curveball. His stuff hasn’t dramatically deteriorated. His results never consistently turned the corner, though.

That leaves GM Ben Cherington and his front office in a difficult spot. Bednar’s early-career dominance earned him a solid $4.51MM salary during his first run through arbitration. He’ll be due a raise even on the heels of a down year. Arbitration salaries are designed to escalate as a player accrues service time. MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects Bednar for a $6.6MM sum if tendered a contract for 2025. That’s the highest figure in Pittsburgh’s arbitration class and would make him the fourth-highest paid player on the roster as things stand.

A $6.6MM salary would be a bargain if Bednar pitched at anywhere near the level he showed from 2021-23. It’s clearly not the kind of money the Pirates (or any team) would want to devote for his ’24 results. The Pittsburgh front office annually works with a tight budget from ownership. That didn’t stop the Pirates from committing a $10.5MM salary to Aroldis Chapman last offseason, suggesting they’re willing to take some chances on talented but volatile relief pitching.

They’ll weigh the risk on Bednar alongside the need for multiple additions to a well below-average offense. Pittsburgh doesn’t have a great bullpen, though someone like Colin Holderman or waiver find Dennis Santana could get a closing opportunity if the Pirates dealt the two-time All-Star.

It’s unlikely the Bucs would non-tender Bednar. He should be too talented to give up without getting anything in return. A sell-low trade is plausible. There are presumably teams that have more budgetary flexibility than the Pirates possess that would be happy to gamble something like $6.6MM on a return to form. That’d be a tough pill for a Pittsburgh front office that has surely declined much better offers over the years than the ones that’ll be on the table this winter.

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  1. bucsfan0004

    1 year ago

    Pay him the $6M. The best players on the team are either pre-arb or signed long term with a coupon.

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    • BlueSkies_LA

      1 year ago

      Agreed. If he bounces back they caught a bargain, and he doesn’t they could eat however much of his salary it takes to trade him for a prospect. Not exactly a hugely risky proposition, even for a smaller market team.

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      • TheMan 3

        1 year ago

        apparently you don’t understand how Pirates management works.
        Eating a contract that is substantial to this organization is an unlikely outcome

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    • holecamels35

      1 year ago

      You have to keep him around at that price. Payroll can stay the same or go up a bit. Should only need to add one vet starting pitcher if any at all this year. IKF will cost 8m, and will need to add to the bullpen to replace Chapman. Swap 1b options, no need for a veteran catcher unless Grandal is back on a minor league deal.

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    • baseballpurist

      1 year ago

      Bednar is cooked

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      • User 228032946

        1 year ago

        Bednar truly is cooked. Problems might not be physical. Trade him while you can

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  2. GO1962

    1 year ago

    The Astros had Brad Lidge as their closer for several seasons, and then the Phillies had Lidge as their closer for several seasons. Lidge had seasons with the Astros and Phillies where he was an outstanding closer, but he also had seasons with the Astros and Phillies where he was not good. Bednar might be one of those closers who has outstanding seasons as a closer, but also has a year here or there where he is terrible. The Pirates should keep Bednar and give him another try as their closer for 2025. Chances are, Bednar will be like Lidge was and revert into an effective closer again.

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  3. Nuschler

    1 year ago

    Camilo Doval straight up for Bednar. That would unite David with his brother Will and would give Pittsburgh an extra year of arbitration with Doval.

    Both Doval and Bednar have very similar career trajectories and both might benefit from a change of scenery.

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    • Jbigz12

      1 year ago

      Not sure Will is going to crack the MLB team anytime soon.

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    • 408inthe619

      1 year ago

      I’d love this for the Giants

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  4. YourDreamGM

    1 year ago

    Keep him. I mean he should have been traded years ago. Why would such a losing franchise need a closer? He wasn’t and didn’t help them win the division. No reason to trade him now other than the 5 or 6 million reasons Nutting could think of. Might as well just keep him like you kept everyone else. You have garbage coaches, garbage manager, garbage gm, garbage owner. Might as well have a garbage closer.

    Maybe he bounces back. If not who cares let him close anyway. Shelton certainly did last year. Closed the hopes and dreams of playoffs or even a winning record. Not like ownership cares about winning. Give Cherington yet another high draft pick. Highly doubt he develops it but who knows maybe there will be another can’t possibly mess up Skenes type.

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    • Not a casual MLB fan

      1 year ago

      A losing franchise with garbage ownership, a garbage FO, a garbage manager, and garbage coaches will more than likely produce a team of players who underperform, regress, and can’t be the best version of themselves in such a toxic and unprofessional environment. That’s my personal point of view regarding the current state of the Pirates and the current state of mind of most of the players (along with the state of their development).

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    • JoeBrady

      1 year ago

      Yup, losing franchises don’t considers trades until they have lost all leverage. Assets that would get a top-100 or two top-150 guys will now consider whether or not to even pay the dude.

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      • holecamels35

        1 year ago

        Easy to say that in hindsight, trading a local all star closer would tank the morale of the team. Sure, blah blah, who cares about that when losing, but it’s not like they plan on being losers forever. I’d rather try and fail with good players than continue on the path of trading guys away for pennies on the dollar.
        The Orioles trade is bs and was never gonna happen.

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    • TheMan 3

      1 year ago

      tell us how you really feel, Dream

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    • TheMan 3

      1 year ago

      even when it was obvious Bednar wasn’t the lights out closer from his previous two years, Shelton continued to use him in that role
      Bednar blew 7 save opportunities and was accountable for 9 losses
      I think it’s a forgone conclusion that Shelton is arguably the worst manager in baseball

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      • bucsfan0004

        1 year ago

        His numbers are awful partially because of Shelton’s incompetence. Just about every reliever goes thru rough patches but instead of giving him lower level leverage spots, good ol Shelton really hung Bednar out to dry. Is there not another coach on the staff to tell Shelton that when Bednar gives up the lead at home, the game isnt over… someone has to complete the inning and get the 3 outs

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  5. MLB Top 100 Commenter

    1 year ago

    Not a casual

    Agree the owner sucks, but with Skenes, Chandler, a couple more elite starting prospects, plus guys like Konnor Griffin on the way, the Pirates have a real path to being a 0.500 team. Trade Bednar for a team top 20 outfield prospect and slot Santana as closer for Opening Day.

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    • YourDreamGM

      1 year ago

      Skenes Jones Keller will all be gone by the time Griffin arrives. With Pirates development it’s IF he arrives. I wouldn’t bet on him coming near his ceiling. There aren’t that many elite prospects. And the great and really good ones will need to be traded for bats for them to achieve that lofty goal of real path of being 500. Tired old dudes will be satisfied. I see this rebuild as a huge failure. There was a path for sustainable winning for a decade. Now it’s a few years of 500. Fans will keep supporting Nutting though. They get the product they deserve.

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      • TheMan 3

        1 year ago

        fans like me don’t support the owner, I support the players

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        • YourDreamGM

          1 year ago

          If you pay a cable or streaming bill you are supporting the owner.

          You aren’t supporting the players. They would make just as much without you watching. Nutting is spending as little as possible if you haven’t noticed.

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        • TheMan 3

          1 year ago

          I have over 300 channels to choose from by subscribing to Comcast. Sportsnet Pittsburgh is part of the package.
          And I don’t stream

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        • User 228032946

          1 year ago

          Man… why bother arguing with someone who proclaims he knows it all

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    • misterb71

      1 year ago

      The only way the Pirates are able to trade Bednar for a top 20 outfield prospect is if they eat some of his contract that runs for the next two seasons. It’s very unlikely that would ever happen. Bednar costs his new team $6 million after a weaker season with no guarantees of bounceback. You’re not getting a top prospect from me on that risk of a deal.

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      • Jbigz12

        1 year ago

        A team top 20 OF prospect isn’t necessarily much of a give. I could see a team taking a flier on him for that.

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        • danumd87 2

          1 year ago

          Agreed. The orioles are flush with OFers and have a few in their 15-17 range. I’m sure they’d gladly deal one for Bednar with a dozen OFers ahead of them in the organization.

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        • MLB Top 100 Commenter

          1 year ago

          Danumd

          Marlins got Norby for Rogers, seemed like great deal for Fish but Baltimore has so much depth that they could gamble on a starter who lost his way. So yeah, I could see them acquire Bednar.

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        • bucsfan0004

          1 year ago

          Pirates took a shot with IKF for a top 20 prospect. Bednar has way more upside than Falefa so its not a big deal for a team to part with an #11-20 prospect in their system

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      • YourDreamGM

        1 year ago

        Who knows what mlb teams will do. You see all the awful contracts they give out and on the opposite end you see players who should easily fetch a top 20 prospect end up traded for nothing or a waiver claim or even not get claimed at all. I would guess teams would be licking their chops to out coach the Pirates and would give 2 top 20 prospects. But who knows. He really just needs better control and that can fix itself. It was only a issue for 1 mlb season. The previous 3 it was fine. If it improves so will the strike outs and hrs. He still throws as hard. If the medicals are fine then he could be a real bargain to gamble on. And he doesn’t have to be a closer on another team. Much more to win than lose. I can see him pitching in Yankee pinstripes.

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    • Sports_Guy

      1 year ago

      Giving up Bednar for a low level prospect is stupid. 1 tough year among great years. Give him another season to get back to normal and then flip for a legit or crappy prospect, depending on his season.

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      • Jbigz12

        1 year ago

        Totally agree from Pittsburgh’s perspective to not sell low.

        However, as an O’s fan if it took one of our OF prospects outside of the top 10 in the org then I’m doing that every day of the week. A lot of arm talent to work with and little to give if it flops.

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    • holecamels35

      1 year ago

      Take Santana out of the 8th and still need at least 1-2 good arms or pray Stratton/Nicholas put it all together. Stratton was there until he got hurt

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  6. RBFSSolution

    1 year ago

    All Bednar has to do is change his pitch usage. Fastball and Roger Beshens Football Slider. Is he afraid to throw it and talk about it?
    He’s a smart Lafayette boy. If he’s real smart he will ask Lehigh’s Mason Black how Roger Beshens taught him and his coach Sean Leary the Roger Beshens Football SLider back in 2019 and it changed his life. There would be no getting drafted without that non traditional slider.

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    • TheMan 3

      1 year ago

      maybe you should be the pitching coach since you apparently know more than he does
      Armchair coaches, are abundant on this site

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      • RBFSSolution

        1 year ago

        I consult with ML pitchers, the Front Office and analytic dept decides more times than not. Teams need someone to walk out to the mound and look at the metrics like it matters.

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      • myaccount2

        1 year ago

        Well Steve and co. do say there are affiliated MLB people on here and that some do comment. Maybe you found one. Ha!

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    • DarkSide830

      1 year ago

      What’s with you and Roger Beshens?

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      • RBFSSolution

        1 year ago

        We discuss how some pitchers can’t even mold it.

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      • User 228032946

        1 year ago

        Just another ANALytic Nutjob

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        • RBFSSolution

          1 year ago

          C’mon man learning or knowing the shaping the Roger Beshens Football Slider isn’t analytics, without learning that piece that slider isn’t near maximized. The analytic people don’t have a clue how to do it, so them telling a pitcher to not throw it is insanity.

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  7. panj341

    1 year ago

    It would be stupid to sell low and trade him when his value is low.

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    • TheMan 3

      1 year ago

      This is the most frugal management in baseball. Selling Bednar low is what I expect from Cherington

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      • panj341

        1 year ago

        I hope you are wrong but Nutting has had this done in the past when the arbitration number gets too big for his wallet.

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        • YourDreamGM

          1 year ago

          Nutting is so stupid he didn’t fire Cherington. Cherington is so stupid he thinks Shelton is a great manager.

          Trading Bednar wouldn’t come close to the number of stupid things this clown show has done and will do.

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        • TheMan 3

          1 year ago

          not firing Haines after 2023 was just one example

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        • RBFSSolution

          1 year ago

          I think he’s playing the Kyle Crick card, want’s to get outta of the Pitt.

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        • TheMan 3

          1 year ago

          Bednar’s home is 20 miles from PNC Park, why would he want to leave town?
          Is that your professional analytics talking?

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        • RBFSSolution

          1 year ago

          I don’t listen to Analytic people, they have no idea how a Roger Beshens Football Slider is shaped so how can they figure out what side of the mound the pitcher needs to be most effective. Notice how hundreds of pitchers are on the wrong spots on the rubber? There are hundreds of pitchers that don’t even know how to shape a Roger Beshens Football Slider. That’s why Rog was in the Dbacks Clubhouse in May and Nelson improved immensely, Nelson not very bright he still was conflicted throwing the cutter and RBFS.

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        • User 228032946

          1 year ago

          This is what I mean about these ANALytical Nutjobs…they have no idea about the real problems. They just add to them. I honestly believe that some baseball managers, football coaches all rely on ANALytics way too much. And it destroys their managerial strategies. ANALytics is the same as AI…. artificial idiocy

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  8. inkstainedscribe

    1 year ago

    See what you could get in a deal. He takes up too much of the payroll for the results he delivered in ‘24.

    This is why non-contenders have no reason keeping lights-out closers who could bring back everyday players who can help build a roster.

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  9. آلي مكبيل_.._.بيتزا بيبيروني آشتون كوتشر

    1 year ago

    He’s just tipping pitches and showing other teams what he is going to toss. Needs to learn a lesson from watching Jalen Beeks.

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  10. ElGaupo77

    1 year ago

    ^ this

    They figured it out near the end of the season that he was tipping. His last few outings were old Bednar

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    • JoeBrady

      1 year ago

      They weren’t old Bednar. His best stretch at the end was only 4 games, in which he had a 3/2 K/W.

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      • TheMan 3

        1 year ago

        the last game he pitched in, he walked the bases loaded
        hardly the player of old

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  11. Dice 66

    1 year ago

    Lot to worry about than him! Bucs need hitters!!Orioles setting there needing young pitching!

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  12. wvsteve

    1 year ago

    He’s not the only top reliever who struggled last season. They have no answer to replace him internally. It’s not Holderman who starts every appearance with a lead off hit. They’re not going to win a bidding war for a Hoffman or Chapman. He will bounce back

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  13. Carl. Goldstein

    1 year ago

    How about a trade of David Bednar for Kyle Finnegan?

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  14. User 228032946

    1 year ago

    Renew the trade talks with Baltimore on Colby Mayo

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    • Dice 66

      1 year ago

      Yes, make larger trade need 2 hitters!

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  15. Macbeth

    1 year ago

    Keep him on the roster one more year on a very short leash.

    Get him in better shape again and see what is left. If he shows anything, ship him out immediately.

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  16. JoeBrady

    1 year ago

    I’d keep him, but that would then necessitate that they obtain kind of an elite setup guy to move to closer should Bednar fail. Maybe a guy like Jason Adam. If Bednar is good, then you have a very nice 8/9th inning combo. If Bednar struggles, and if the Pirates struggle, Adam can still be traded.

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  17. mlb1225

    1 year ago

    They should bring him back, but he needs to earn the closer role back in Spring Training, at the very least. Dennis Santana and Kyle Nicolas showed they could handle high-leverage last year. They, along with any other high-leverage reliever FAs/trade acquisitions they get this off-season, should have to compete for the closer role in ST, at the very least, or potentially enter the year with a closer-by-commitee role until someone steps up in April. The issue clearly wasn’t stuff. As the article mentions, he was throwing harder than ever before, but he was also throwing with similar or more movement on all of his pitches, so I think it would be a bad decision to give up on him outright. Relievers sometimes do this, and 2024 could end up being a fluke for Bednar.

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  18. Sour Bob

    1 year ago

    The Pirates 100% should have traded Bednar last offseason, because relievers are volatile and unless you’re *positive* you’re a postseason team, you should cash them in when you can.

    That said, they missed that chance and there’s no point giving him away now. Pay the $6MM and hope he rebounds, either so you can use him or cash him in once his value is re-established.

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    • YourDreamGM

      1 year ago

      Last off-season they thought they were contenders. No point in trading Bednar and turn around and sign Chapman. Bednar should have been traded before that at the deadline. Or previous off season. Or previous deadline. But since the gambled with rf and 1b they might as well gambled on having enough pen arms and traded Bednar.

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  19. just_thinkin

    1 year ago

    $6M is nothing for a reliever with setup-to-closer upside. Seranthony Dominguez is going to make $8 million when the O’s pick up his option, simply because he throws hard and is likely to sit around a low 4 ERA.

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    • TheMan 3

      1 year ago

      it’s nothing for a team that is willing to spend money, this team doesn’t fit that mold

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  20. YourDreamGM

    1 year ago

    I wasn’t very popular when I said to trade Bednar in past years. Now that he had a bad year very few people have a problem getting rid of the local kid who is so great for the community. Unfortunately his value has plummeted so the main benefit if trading him has shifted from getting impactful prospects to saving Nutting 5 million.

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    • TheMan 3

      1 year ago

      who are you kidding, Dream, you’ve never been popular over anything here
      ( am kidding)

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      • User 228032946

        1 year ago

        I’m not

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  21. TGH31

    1 year ago

    Trevor May’s video on Bednar tipping pitches is interesting. It would be completely Pittsburgh like to unload him at his least value.

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  22. TJECK109

    1 year ago

    This team is going to need bullpen arms. They need to keep Bednar and hope he can rebound. As we saw this year it wasn’t just Bednar that took a step back. I have zero belief in this organization’s ability to develop players or help them rebound. Triolo and Suwinski are prime examples of guys who had promise coming into the year and just never found it again at the plate

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    • TheMan 3

      1 year ago

      there’s a valid reason why you feel that way, TJECK109
      Position player development in this team’s minor league system is horrible

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  23. DarkSide830

    1 year ago

    Always sell high on relievers.

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  24. joew

    1 year ago

    I think it is obvious they should hold on to him. They will have a new coach in the bullpen. Test that out first.

    That said they shou atleast listen. If someone will overpay you cannot just say no.

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  25. juggernaut

    1 year ago

    Bednar was injured during spring training and wasn’t his usual self all year. Not having that normal sprung training definitely affected his performance. Cherington has already stated, right after the season ended, that he expects Bednar to take back his closer role in 2025. $6-7 million for Bednar will je a bargain next year. This article already stated he didn’t lose any of his stuff after the second injury, oblique. Bednar will be at least a top 10 to 15 closer in 2025!

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  26. RBFSSolution

    1 year ago

    Remember in 2018 when Glasnow, Musgrove, Taillon , Clay Holmes, Mitch Keller, Crick and T Williams stuck in Pitt? Then they all learned the Roger Beshens Football Slider and left town shortly after. Brent Strom on video told Roger Beshens, they paid you too! Wonder if that black corvette with Football Slider on the doors came from Taillon or Glasnow?

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    • User 228032946

      1 year ago

      Keller wasn’t up with the pirates in 2018

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      • RBFSSolution

        1 year ago

        Roger also told Indy and Altoona guys in 2018 Yeudy Perez even sent a video of him throwing the football slider, Keller’s thinking was I don’t need anyone’s suggestions and I’m going to throw what got me here.
        Soon after Keller saw he was getting beat out by Roger Beshens Football Slider guys and showed lack integrity and character by saying nonsense like Musgrove showed him and…I look at this way, Karma will get’em with Cancer or a bad accident, outta my hands it happens. Kuhl’s wife, Dovy Neveraskaus… They are the most ungrateful, narcisstic human beings on the planet, maybe politicians and some music. Trevor Williams hides behind religion, Ask Van Slyke about it. Dodgers guy.

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  27. User 228032946

    1 year ago

    Man….he’s not only the worst manager today..but perhaps one of the top 5 worst managers in MLB history

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