The Dodgers continue to load up, as they announced their five-year contract with left-hander Blake Snell Saturday afternoon. The deal, which is pending a physical, comes with a $182MM guarantee but reportedly includes $65MM in deferrals ($13MM per year) that’ll reduce the net present value to the $160-165MM range. Snell, a client of the Boras Corporation, receives a $52MM signing bonus and limited no-trade protection, while the deal includes a $5MM assignment bonus in the event of a trade. The contract does not contain any opt-out provisions and covers Snell’s age 32-36 seasons.
It’s the offseason’s biggest move to date and represents a much quicker resolution than Snell’s previous trip to the market. The star southpaw was coming off a Cy Young campaign last winter. The long-term deal he sought didn’t materialize, leading to an extended free agent stay. Snell went unsigned into March before joining the Giants on a two-year deal that guaranteed him $62MM and, more importantly, allowed him to opt out after the first season.
Snell had a dismal start to the season. He allowed more than a run per inning over his first six appearances. He landed on the injured list twice in the first three months while battling groin discomfort. As recently as the middle of June, it looked like a near-lock that Snell would bypass the chance to return to free agency.
That all changed as soon as he returned from his second IL stint. By the end of the season, there was no doubt he’d pass on the remaining $30MM on his pact with San Francisco. Snell was the best pitcher in baseball down the stretch. Over his final 14 starts, he turned in a 1.23 earned run average while holding opponents to a .123/.211/.171 batting line that looked like a throwback to the days when pitchers hit.
Snell struck out more than 38% of batters faced over that run. He had five double-digit strikeout performances and fanned at least eight hitters in 10 outings. Snell had the best two-start run of his career right around the trade deadline. He struck out 15 over six scoreless innings against the Rockies on July 27 before no-hitting the Reds with 11 punchouts on August 2.
The overall numbers were still weighed down to some extent by his terrible first two months. He wrapped up the year with a 3.12 ERA and a 34.7% strikeout rate over 104 innings spanning 20 starts. That’s a strong season but didn’t earn him a single Cy Young vote. The overall platform year was less impressive than the 180 innings of 2.25 ERA ball he posted during his ’23 campaign in San Diego. Snell finished the season looking every bit as dominant as he’d been during his Cy Young years, though.
It seems the Dodgers are attributing the first two months to some combination of an abbreviated Spring Training and the injuries. While this year was the most extreme example, Snell has been a slow starter throughout his career. He has a 3.95 ERA and 28.4% strikeout rate in the first half of his nine big league seasons. The ERA plummets to 2.39 while he has raised his strikeout percentage above 32% after the All-Star Break.
The main knock has been his lack of consistent durability. Snell has reached the 180-inning threshold on two occasions — his 2018 Cy Young season with the Rays and his ’23 award-winning campaign. Outside those seasons, Snell has topped out in the 125-130 inning range.
That’s not a concern for the Dodgers, who have shown they’re far more interested in chasing upside than bulk. Los Angeles acquired and extended Tyler Glasnow last offseason even though he’d never topped 120 MLB innings in a season. The Dodgers will give Shohei Ohtani another chance to pitch coming off his second significant elbow surgery. They’re almost certainly going to reunite with Clayton Kershaw. They’ve graduated a number of talented pitchers from the farm system but seen a lot of them go down to injuries.
It’s an approach geared heavily toward the postseason. The Dodgers prioritize pitchers who profile as potential Game 1 starters. They’re very willing to assume injury risk while chasing that ceiling. That left them woefully short on starting pitching in 2023, resulting in a sweep at the hands of the Diamondbacks in the Division Series. The injuries mounted again this fall, but they had just enough in the form of Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Jack Flaherty and Walker Buehler to patch together an October rotation. With a star-studded lineup, that was sufficient to lift their second trophy in five years.
Snell arguably fits that mold as well as any pitcher in baseball. Among pitchers with at least 200 innings over the past two years, only Reynaldo López and Tarik Skubal have a lower ERA than his 2.57 mark. Snell’s 32.7% strikeout rate is second, trailing only Glasnow by a fraction of a percentage point. No one has a higher swinging strike rate.
The Dodgers have four pitchers who could start the first game of a playoff series. Snell, Ohtani, Yamamoto and Glasnow are each capable of providing ace-caliber production on a rate basis. It’s unlikely all four will be healthy come playoff time, but the Dodgers have no shortage of talented options behind them. Kershaw figures to be back in the rotation mix once he re-signs, while Tony Gonsolin, Dustin May and prospect Nick Frasso are returning from major surgeries. Bobby Miller is looking to rebound from a terrible sophomore season after turning in a 3.76 ERA across 22 starts as a rookie. Landon Knack and Justin Wrobleski are capable depth arms.
That’s before considering the possibility of further acquisitions. The Dodgers will surely make a push for NPB ace Roki Sasaki, who’d arguably be the fifth starter if he went to L.A. Even if Sasaki signs elsewhere, the Dodgers could pursue Garrett Crochet on the offseason trade market and/or continue adding starting pitching at the deadline.
Of course, the ability to stockpile this kind of rotation talent is a reflection of the Dodgers’ financial might. Even if other front offices share their general approach to valuing upside over durability, few ownership groups are willing to match L.A.’s spending. The Dodgers had generally shied away from pitching splashes under president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman, but that has changed over the past calendar year. This is their third nine-figure pitching investment since last offseason (fourth including Ohtani). They signed Yamamoto for $325MM and extended Glasnow on a deal that included $110MM in new money.
MLBTR ranked Snell as the #2 starting pitcher in the class and predicted a five-year, $160MM contract. The deal’s actual value lands right around there. The specific NPV won’t be clear until the deferral structure is revealed. The expected $32-33MM luxury tax hit indicates the deal will have a net present value in the $160-165MM range. That’d be the second-biggest luxury tax hit on L.A.’s books, trailing only the approximate $46.1MM CBT number on Ohtani’s heavily deferred $700MM contract.
In any case, the deal is likely to push the Dodgers’ competitive balance tax figure north of $300MM. They’ll almost certainly land in the fourth and final tier of penalization, which begins at $301MM. The Dodgers are subject to the highest tier of escalation penalties for paying the tax in at least three straight seasons. The Snell deal itself will cost the Dodgers something in the range of $25-30MM in taxes by vaulting them from the middle of the second penalization tier to the start of the highest tax bracket. Future spending will be taxed at the maximum 110% clip.
It’s a major commitment but one the Dodgers are well-positioned to make. They’re coming off the revenue bump associated with a World Series win. More importantly, the structure of Ohtani’s contract allows the Dodgers to continue stockpiling talent. While the Ohtani deal was not an end-around the luxury tax, there’s a huge benefit from a raw payroll perspective. Paying the NL MVP a $2MM salary for the next nine seasons is a big reason they’re able to continue taking on huge money in the short term.
Snell slotted alongside Corbin Burnes and ahead of Max Fried as the top starters in this year’s class. In addition to fitting the Dodgers’ general preference for high-ceiling arms, Snell came with the benefit of not costing draft compensation. He’s the only of the top three starters who wasn’t issued a qualifying offer. Snell had received the QO during his first free agent trip, so the Giants could not make the offer this time around. Burnes and Fried each rejected a qualifying offer and would’ve cost the Dodgers their second- and fifth-highest selections in the 2025 draft and $1MM from their ’26 bonus pool for international amateurs.
Burnes and Fried become the clear #1-2 options for the other teams seeking top-flight starting pitching. Mark Feinsand of MLB.com reported this evening that the Red Sox, Yankees and Orioles were also in the Snell bidding. They’ve all been tied to top-of-the-market starting pitchers — Boston especially — and should remain active on that front in the weeks to come.
MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand reported the Dodgers and Snell had a five-year deal, shortly after the pitcher revealed on Instagram that he was joining L.A. Jeff Passan and Jorge Castillo of ESPN first reported the $182MM guarantee. Fabian Ardaya of the Athletic reported that the deal contained deferrals that would drop the net present value to the $32-33MM range annually. Jack Harris of the Los Angeles Times was first with the $52MM signing bonus, while Feinsand had the limited no-trade protection. Jon Morosi of the MLB Network reported the absence of an opt-out clause. Jon Heyman of the New York Post first reported the presence of an assignment bonus, which Harris relayed at $5MM. Heyman first reported the exact breakdown of the deferrals.
Image courtesy of USA Today Sports.
28rings
“Luxury Tax” Dodgers strike again
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Imagine they sign snell and Soto and sasaki
Joemo
Sasaki is basically free, he can only sign an IFA deal and will be subject to the arbitration process. So that one isn’t about just chucking money at him
deweybelongsinthehall
I am sick of one team doing this. George nor anyone else never controlled the FA market like this. It is not good for the sport and there needs to be a hard cap in my view. Obviously to get that done, the PA needs to see the books. Back in the day, Bowie Kuhn voided the sale of Fingers, Rudi and Blue to the Sox and Yankees because he recognized it was not in the sport’s interests. I feel bad for fans of AZ and CO especially. While surprises can and do happen, why invest as a fan into a team when this happens?
niel.marshal
“why invest as a fan into a team when this happens?”
Sports fan everywhere except US:
First time? LOL
Look at the brits, they know 2 Manchester teams will buy any good player with the highest price, did it stop the fans from Leicester City to support their team? NO.
Its always happen. Teams with biggest fanbase and biggest wallet always does this everywhere, because its simple logic. Capitalism and Free Market. 2 things that actually comes from America, but unfortunately, the people from the birthplace of the capitalism and free market didnt get used to this. They want more and more socialism in their sports.
deweybelongsinthehall
No. Sports like baseball are a business and sometimes you need to protect even yourself. I wouldn’t invest as a fan on baseball todsy. If it was such a great universal model, why doesn’t the NFL (which is a better comparison) in my view allow unlimited budgets? Imagine if something happens ten years from now like another Madoff scandal. The Mets were severely punished because they could no longer meet their future obligations. Fans got bailed out with Cohen buying the club but what if there is not the next Cohen? Unless you’re a Dodger fan, how can this be good? As a Sox fan, I’ve suffered recently. Not because the team was lousy most seasons but because ownership refused to try. They could have done more with the less they bad. Or fully torn it down instead of giving fans breadcrumbs. They may spend this year but the foul taste of the recent past will remain a d fans will wonder if an injury happens or it just doesn’t work out, will Henry again close his purse?
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Dewey
Premature to comment when hot stove is just beginning.
Premature for drama when Dodgers have not won back to back World Series.
Anyone who wants to bet even money on the Dodgers winning the 2025 World Series and I get the other 29 teams? Of course not.
The Dodgers made a smart gamble here. If Yamamoto, Ohtani, Snell and Glasnow are all healthy, they have a beautiful playoff rotation even without Kershaw and Gonsolin.
Anyone really think all four will be healthy all year?
Dodgers payroll right now is less for 2025 than 2024, have to see whole picture.
bestone
No, no, no…..a hard cap is the worst thing for a sport. This is not some league where everyone gets a trophy for participating. The cap ruined the NHL. The wealthy owners like it because the wealthy teams make even more money.
Perhaps there are too many teams. Maybe what is needed is a tier2 league, where the poor performers drop to, and top teams move up to the premier division.
If your team does well in the premier division, the top players come to your ballpark..
stan lee the manly
It’s not even remotely close to a “gamble” when you are just signing every top free agent every year. It stopped being a gamble a few years ago.
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Bestone
No need to change anything. Dodgers barely beat Padres. Freeman saved the Dodgers against Yankees. A salary floor for under-spending teams would be nice but is not happening. The sky is not falling. The hot stove is still early.
lfcredsox
what an asinine comment, one of the dumbest things I ever read in my life
bcjd
The United States is not the “birthplace” of capitalism and free markets. People have exchanged goods for money for thousands of years.
bcjd
America is not the “birthplace” of capitalism or free markets. People have been exchanging goods and services for money for thousands of years.
Rays in the Bay
@best
A hard cap did not ruin the NHL at all. Would you care to elaborate how a hard cap ruined the NHL? Yeah I hate the idea of losing Stamkos because the Lightning didn’t wanna pay him over his value which was affected by the hard cap. But it ensures that other teams have a fair chance to pay for NHL talent. The overall value of the sport is lower though so every team has a chance, unlike baseball.
Baseball needs so much fixing. The very first thing they need is a floor. Make sure owners are spending. Next is a cap. The Dodgers and Mets basically destroyed the balance of the game by setting precedences of these high salaries. Now player salaries will go up with teams unwilling to spend. Something’s gotta give because this circulation is not good for the sport. There are more players than teams so guys will either be overpaid on the Dodgers or underpaid on the Twins. If they’re underpaid they have no incentive to try too hard.
Paleobros
It was a gentleman’s sweep.
Psychguy
Enjoyable distractions like baseball are no longer any more what’s happening is a microcosm for what’s going on around us. A sad state of affairs only going to get worse.
3768902
Pretty sure capitalism wasn’t “born” in America.
slider32
No wait, how many championships did they win in a row?
RedFraggle
Bruh…They won the series 4 games to 1. And even if “Freeman saved the Dodgers” he’s on the team and they won the games.
Sad.Sox 3
I softly disagree. Teams are free to buy whomever they want. Colorado, Tampa, Pittsburgh……these teams all get a share of luxury tax money. Not one of them uses it as intended, which is, to buy more players. No team is desolate, no team is losing money (thats why they dont open their books). If the Dodgers signing everyone gets other teams to open their FA wallets then it has to happen,
Captain K-Midd
@MLB Top 100 Commenter – Don’t forget to add Sasaki in there for a song
Sad.Sox 3
Why do billionaires need a cap to save them from themselves? They write the checks, if they’re dumb enough to give a player $60mm a year, that’s on them.
If you want to spend, spend. If you don’t want to spend, don’t. If you don’t put a winning team on the field you’ll eventually start to lose money.
How come the Rays owner doesn’t use his share of the luxury tax money to buy players, as it’s intended?
dpsmith22
haha The NHL has the most parody of any professional sport. You are badly informed.
D-fan
Try too hard like Anthony Rendon?
Even when you give the money, you don’t always get their best.
I’m all for a salary floor but needs to come with a ceiling also…. You can’t have one without the other…. If there was a ceiling, the teams would go by it, but players will cry…if there is a floor, then the owners would cry(some anyway).
I’m enjoying the success the Dodgers have had because it’s not my money…. I would not be doing this…. I would act more like the Braves…..
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Captain
Sasaki may go to the Padres, or a New York team. He would be a huge get for any team, including the Dodgers
JoeBrady
I am sick of one team doing this
========================
It’s not one team. If there was only one team bidding, the salaries would be half as high as they are now.
As of today, Cots has them as $305M. Both NY teams ran higher payrolls in 2024. And I suspect both NY teams, as well as Philly will be at that threshold by the end of the off-season.
Sad.Sox 3
You hit the nail right on the head!!!!!! The Braves have the recipe for success. Yes, develop your own team, yes, trade for really good players, and yes, sign free agents.
BUT, once you get those players, and you want continued success, extend them on good terms that work for owner and player.
Go Alex A.
Freeman’s agent
Dodgers are a corporation with multiple partners who are all billionaires. They share the cost and share the benefits. Other teams should follow this model.
Oldguy58
Ohtani will bet on the Dodgers
Psychguy
Have the most money does not guarantee success, good organizational management must also be present. That said, as a Dodger fan I’d prefer to watch home grown talent or talent garnered by trade where both teams benefit.
HankAaronDidGreenies
Yeah no. Billionaires should spend money.
We need a floor, not a cap.
luvochka
It’s a pity people always think capitalism and free markets are the same thing. You don’t even need one to have the other, capitalism is about the control and use of capital, and we know what the other is.
bcjd
It’s not worth lamenting the lack of comprehension from a commenter who thinks capitalism and free markets were “born” in America. The ignorance is astounding.
Captain K-Midd
@bcjd – Adam Smith, Scottish fellow
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Last I checked, Dodgers only won one World Series in the past four years. The planet is still spinning just fine. Let’s see the rest of the hot stove befor drawing too many conclusions.
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Joe
Exactly.
bcjd
Epicurious was regaling the sins of capitalism around 350 BCE.
LordShade
You thinking capitalism was invented in America is all I need to know about this hilariously misinformed opinion. Did you go to school?
DTownWarrior97
so you would prefer to have only 4-6 teams truly capable of winning a WS title every single season? If you say yes, then you are obviously a fan of one of those teams. If you say no, then you agree! This is quickly becoming a problem and people will start to turn the channel.
TJECK109
So you believe if the Pirates use the luxury tax money every year they will be able to keep up with teams like the dodger and padres?
bootsday29
Winning the series isn’t the point. They still spend and make money when not winning the series.
bestone
I didn’t say anything needed to change.
If anything, rather than a salary cap, I’d like to see the mlb divided into two keeping the top teams in a premier division, and the weaker teams in another. The top team in the weaker division and bottom premier team swap positions annually.
YourDreamGM
There is a cap and a floor. It’s just too far apart and not called a cap. You have to pay a minimum salary and if you don’t go beyond that the player union complaint that mlb doesn’t pay attention to. And going over tax 3 times isn’t something teams want to do. Many teams use tax as a cap or excuse to fans to keep payroll lower. It’s too far apart to be effective.
Small markets must be happy because the owners keep agreeing to this arrangement. They are either getting enough $ to contend or don’t care about winning. Probably the latter.
bullred
Luke Skywalker and the rebellion had no chance going up against the evil empire. They should have just given up. Sometimes it’s extra sweet to win when you’re a long shot.
John_In_WI
The players union will never allow a hard cap.
Sad.Sox 3
Yes, i do want teams truly capable of winning a WS every year. And, my team is not one of them. I want 28 teams capable of winning. That’s how you boost viewership. This idea that parity is what people want is nonsense. Parity is by definition mediocrity because everyone is in the middle.
What I want is my owner to spend as much as possible within their limits EVERY YEAR, not sign one player to placate fans and then take the next 4yrs off.
I want my owner to bring in STARS.as well as develop home grown talent. These are not mutually exclusive. The idea that they are was fed to us by cheap owners in Tampa and Oakland and now is gospel
Sad.Sox 3
ITS A START, ISN’T IT?
If i use the money each year to sign ONE player, in four years you have 4 players. But, when you sign ZERO players you amass ZERO
Dogbone
@psych: Spot On. And once mu sk and the orange nitwit get their way with bitcoin – look out below – after they make their billions.
bestone
The NHL has been ruined because teams are punished for winning. To be successful, there has to be chemistry on the team. This is developed through wise drafting and development. There will never be dynasties again!
A team cap results in a pyramid shaped pay structure on each team. The guys know who gets “paid”. Athletes that make it, generally have egos…because they’ve won for most of their life, and have been the reason their teams win. This pyramid also means there are many guys making minimum. It’s easier to fill in these spots with rookies, because they are eager to be there. If a player wants to get paid…they have to move to another team that is underperforming. They may be underperforming because their system, drafting and development is poor. It’s a hard way to end a career.
Perhaps instead of a cap per team…maybe a cap per player based on position? E.g shortstops get paid more than second basemen, but less than pitchers….just a thought…
Teams can load up with top end players, but it keeps the salaries on the earth.
bestone
Yes!
sax332n86
You’re sick of it? Well, then maybe they’ll call it off. It is called the free market, and Blake Snell is free to shop his services wherever he may like. The Dodgers are also free to sign who they want, since this isn’t the NFL with a salary cap. I’m sure if your precious BoSox weren’t a 4th place quality team that were still a destination for free agents that you wouldn’t be taking issue.
Thanks again for Betts. Remind us again what you have left to show for that deal…
differentbears
What have the Pirates been doing with the revenue sharing money they get now?
Enrico Pallazzo
Oh right I forgot that all top free agents sign with LA every single year. Like when Seager, Turner, Scherzer and Degrom all signed there. And when they signed Harper and Judge. The Dodgers sign EVERY SINGLE TOP FREE AGENT. What an idiotic take. Keep crying.
Tigers3232
There actually is a floor. With minimum salary the current floor is minimum x 26. That’d obviously woefully inadequate.
Many teams would put up a ton of resistance to any meaningful floor but have lived with current defactor floor. Maybe a solution would be keep the current defacto floor but have stringent requirements for revenue sharing teams. Requiring them to spend a certain high percentage if not all shared $ as well as the defactor floor(minimum x 26).
With the luxury tax not being a hard cap a soft floor seems like it would complement it well.
Tigers3232
@Rays I once wished there was a cap as well. If you want a negative example of a hard cap, look at the NBA. Most of the trades in the NBA require at least 3 teams these days and at least half of those included are essentially having contracts moved and the player is cut immediately.
Teams have been trading poor contracts for decades. With the NBA it has become a part of nearly every trade.
I do agree something more than the luxury tax has to be done. But it’s impact on the NBA is what has made ne leery of a hard cap.
RodBecksBurnerAccount
That’s not true. The Yanks had a much larger payroll than the rest of the league. In 2005 there was a 69% gap between them and the #2 team, 61% in 2006, 52% in 2008 and 59% in 2009. A team would need to have a payroll of roughly $450 million this year to be equivalent to those Yankees clubs.
MadmanTX 2
I think a hard cap is one thing, but the spiraling cost of signing one guy for half a billion dollars is ridiculous. In my lifetime, we’ve gone from signing Nolan Ryan to a million dollar contract to whatever Soto is about to cost some team. TV revenues are down for some teams that limits competition. It’s going to end up being the same 2-3 teams playing in the World Series every year at some point. This recent throw back to Dodgers-Yankees is what used to happen all the time and likely will happen over and over from here on out
desertdawg
Kinda makes one wonder if this no matter the cost that the Dodgers go for, what if a team just went and sold off their players to other teams at bottom dollar. Would MLB put a stop to that? You bet they would saying that it is not in the best interest of the MLB. But you sure don’t here that with the big money signings. What if the Dodgers say sign Soto, then Burnes, then Fried would that be in the best interest for the MLB to have one team with a payroll of say 500 to 600 million for a season.?
Led Hoyer
The As spending 30 million more dollars isn’t t going to change a thing.
JackStrawb
” 2 things that actually comes from America,”
…would be ignorance and arrogance, an evil combination. The idea that the US gave birth to the ‘free market’ (we’ll pretend those actually exist above the level of small villages), is what’s typically ‘American.’ Good god.
Tigers3232
It’s crazy people there’s people who still believe our Corporate Oligarchy is a free market. With Super PACs and other ways to all but flat out by a vote(s) market is not even close to being free of outside influence. Which is one of the vital ingredients of a free market
920falcon
They will never allow even a soft cap.
Tigers3232
Sadly I think you re right. Owners pick who runs the collective monopoly. Small markets have clear motivation to oppose. Others could fear less talent for them to aquire and increasing value of the mid tier free agents.
There doesnt seem to be a win/win answer but this is one of those points in the game action seems necessary. And to Dodgers fans it was usually the Yankees most other points like this, so this is not said to pick on solely the Dodgers.
itsmeheyhii
How’s ManU lookin on that table tho lol
Frenchredsox
Let’s be clear : MLB is neither capitalist nor a free market . The process of obtaining players is exactly the opposite – you are drafted and are locked into a contract where the player has limited (some would say none) freedom.
Secondly , the league itself is monopolistic – all teams whatever their record are guaranteed to play the next season. The example of football/soccer is poor as a bad team gets relegated and replaced by another. Both Manchester clubs have spent time in inferior divisions and lost revenue and players ( clauses in contracts or simply forced to sell because of pay.)
The inequalities in baseball are due to finances but that hasn’t stopped Rays being relevant for 10+ years or the Rangers winning in 2023. Simply the Dodgers have a plan that works – combining great drafting, trading , FA signings and usage of analytics to improve the club. And unlike some other clubs they USE THE SYSTEM to their benefits (deferrals – enormous signing bonuses).
One point that is also rarely mentioned but valid in this case is that Snell , even after 2 CY wins still hasn’t a ring and at his age maybe that also played into the deal. Athletes aren’t bankers or stock market men – they’re competitive and want trophies and recognition- and at the moment Dodgers’ guarantee to be competitive for the next 3-4-5 years with an MVP, a stud in Mookie, Freeman and a rotation that every contender envies .
Frenchredsox
That’s actually not totally true . You can’t “buy” most players (you can offer FA contracts ) because of the draft . The majority of players are unilaterally contracted due to this and even “forced” to play for one team for 6 years. So yes , Colorado or Tampa can offer similar deals to the Dodgers but is it financially viable ? 23 30+ year olds whose later years are a burden on the team ?
Even if teams are owned by billionaires they have to have a semblance of economic balance and certain markets are simply smaller. The Rays are competitive usually because they have good scouts , analysts and coaches – and certain large market teams are uncompetitive because they don’t. That’s why dynasties are so rare nowadays but the biggest issue there is no actual penalty for tanking or being bad. In other sports like Soccer in the rest of the world – the worst teams are relegated for uncompetitiveness thus forcing Owners and teams to try . The White Sox this year just broke a record for the most losses and their reward ? Staying in the league and having the highest chance of getting no 1 pick in the draft !
Tigers3232
The issue in MLB is there’s a handful of teams with stakes or ownership in their own media networks. Other teams are dealing with failing media deals or have reason to be skeptical of the viability of their deals.
These media deals are one of biggest revenue streams. The gap between haves and have nots looks to be only getting worse.
Tigers3232
@Dewey What happened to the Mets was an event that was unprecedented historically. They invested with the former Chairman of the NASDAQ. Numerous celebrities and powerful figures were also hid victims. It’s one of these things you can’t simply plan for. Even if they had the results would ve likely been same, Madoff was committing fraud and covering it up until fincial it was unsustainable.
There are just simply things that are out of everyone’s control.
Tigers3232
@bestone Nobody is asking for anything to be handed for free. People are getting tired of the huge disparity in talent. Many are just asking for an equal shot at the one trophy.
Current system creates almost 2 sets of rules. I to am leery of a hard cap and I don’t know what the correct answer is. I do feel it’s something MLB should be actively researching a solution to.
Hammerin' Hank
There was nothing wrong with Finley selling off his stars, and Bowie Kuhn should have stayed out of it
Pete'sView
But it may be what kills us as the rich get richer, the middle class spenders are gutted, and competition is only between the remaining behemoths. It’s true in every aspect of American life.
The Player’s Union should demand a floor and be willing to have a ceiling cap. And walk out if the Owners balk. But they don’t have the guts because they’re still making boo-koo bucks. It’s the bystanders/fans who lose.
Tigers3232
That’s not guts that’s ignorance considering the tumultuous history of the 2 sides in regard to bargaining.
Bivouac-Sal
“failing media deals” result from not enough people watching. put a decent product on the field and voila, an audience and a better media deal.
Tigers3232
@Bivouac With cable the networks were getting paid x amount from each subscriber. The result was every network bring paid regardless of the customers preferences.
The change in how customers use media has flipped the business model. The MLB like all others are trying to adapt as it shakes out.
As for the product it’s the same game it has aways been that has been ever evolving since it’s inception. If your comment was of the so called “traditionalist” variety, there is not a human alive who has watched any MLB game played by its original “traditional” rules or form.
ghostofmookiebetts
The United States may not be the birthplace of capitalism but it certainly has bastardized it to the point that it only truly works for a small minority of people.
ghostofmookiebetts
@tigers They’ve been running the bases the wrong way for awhile now! lol
Blue Baron
ghostofmookiebetts: You do hyperbole very well. Finished wringing your hands yet?
Blue Baron
bootsday29: Sounds to me like a smart operation.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Most teams can do the same thing the Dodgers do if they actually felt like trying.
Bivouac-Sal
Tigers
You are also getting an equal share of 48% of ALL MLB TV revenue (as do all 30 teams) , not to mention the same piece of merch, concessions, sponsorships. That is not to say the teams with the richest tv/radio deals don’t make more. Of course they do.
Tigers3232
The shared TV revenue only applies to a small portion of overall TV revenue. Of I remember correctly it’s for the nationally televised games on broadcast channels. It does nothing to even the playing field as far as media revenue.
Bivouac-Sal
actually the shared revenue is from ALL local tv money and all national tv money.
morssglobalfinance.com/major-league-baseball-finan…
Tigers3232
blogs.fangraphs.com/lets-update-the-estimated-loca…
This article gets into the $ shielded from the revenue sharing. There is a reason these #s vary by source and many of the sources trying to put definitive #s are rather obscure sources.
Tigers3232
What is a constant is nearly every credible source states Dodgers and Yankees have a huge advantage due to their very lucrative media deals.
Bivouac-Sal
no dispute there. they have more money than every other team.
Doral Silverthorn
The Dodgers signing everyone? How come the Padres get a pass for the last five seasons in which they’ve turned their roster over three times? Because the Dodgers got Ohtani? They missed on Soto, Hader, Machado, Darvish, Cease, everyone they’ve been rumored to be in on, and where did every one of them end up?
Doral Silverthorn
Padres also got Bogaerts, Taylor Scott, Pomeranz when he was good. They’re literally in on every single person available at all times and the Dodgers get dumped on…Gary Sanchez, Joe Musgrove, Michael King….the list is endless with the Padres. The Dodgers have maximized their signings for sure, but also missed out on Harper, Cole, Seager left, Turner left, no Judge, Scherzer left…there’s more. FOH when you say it’s only the Dodgers.
Tigers3232
@Doral This is not just about the Dodgers. The disparity has been around for decades. Most of which the Yankees were clearly team benefiting the most. Red Sox and Mets have often been guilty of the same. Padres and Rangers both were guilty recently and even Tigers did it to an extent while contending.
Having teams spend more does provide some value and creates villains for fans of smaller market teams. So to say it is universally bad is not true either.
Currently though the media deals have exaggerated problems that have long persisted in MLB. This is not the first time a team has pushed boundaries and much of the crying foul involves false perception. A ton of fans have all these misconceptions regarding deferrals and think that they are providing advantages that they simply are not.
The worst thing about the Ohtani contract is all the fans who don’t understand deferrals crying foul. Ohtani’s agent seemingly knew that inflating the contract #s with the time value of $ would add to the Ohtani lore and further fuel his immense endorsement revenue. It seems to have come at the cost of many questioning integrity of the sport. Ultimately Ohtani’s deal is not that far off Judge’s in present value and likely will be exceeded by Soto in present value. Yet this number $700M looms large.
Bivouac-Sal
it’s amazing in the face of all that Padres glory that the Dodgers win anything.
Tigers3232
I’d say Bogey was a mistake for the Padres. That $ would ve been better spent elsewhere. They ve also missed time with Tatis and endured pitching injuries. They obviously aren’t alone there but it still had an impact.
All in all though it shows while the big spenders usually end up in playoffs, it guarantees nothing. But there is a clear advantage to spending and usually gets a team at least into playoffs.
ghostofmookiebetts
Baron you’re nothin but a two bit troll. Buh bye.
fox471 Dave
They signed one FA. Good lord!
fox471 Dave
Just wasting your time , top. Reason does not have a home here.
fox471 Dave
Here we go. Another sad puppy hating success.
Gator50
Oh good. Now the Dodgers payroll is only $315 million.
Miken31
They’re not signing Soto.
Skyrider123
Soto just saw the Dodgers celebrate their World Series championship on Yankees turf. He knows how good that team can be for years. Why wouldn’t he want to be a part of that team? Everybody thinks he’s going to sign with the Yankees or the Mets. If there’s any other team that has the better chance of signing him it would be the Dodgers
rmullig2
He isn’t willing to defer money and the Dodgers aren’t going to pay the full cost of a 600M contract.
Miken31
For one he wants to be on the East Coast. Also, these things are cyclical. Yes the Dodgers won a championship last year, but that doesn’t give them the right to win every championship now. The Mets and Yankees were both amongst the final four and have a shot at the World Series as well. Not to mention Steve Cohen has more money than anyone. Just stating a fact there. Obviously, I don’t really know where Soto is going to go, but it’s extremely unlikely in my opinion that he will end up with the Dodgers.
Doral Silverthorn
@rmullig2
signed, Juan Soto?
tuck 2
Here’s a clue – Soto is changing teams but is not moving his residence
Joggin’George
Yes, there are basically four or five teams that will win the majority of WS from here out.
giantsphan12
@joggin, yep! The Dodgers,
The Yankees, Google and Meta. Nothing like some variety!
Smacky
He’s not leaving the East Coast.
lemonlyman
@Joggin’ that’s what they said 30 years ago and MLB has the best parity of any major American sports league.
Whiskey and leather balls
They’ll just throw a 400 mill signing bonus at him and take the hit in year one
l9ydodger
That would be the only road block to me.
The biggest tr0ll
I know we’ve had this debate but it’s one of those three: Yankees, Mets, or Dodgers. One of those three will sign Soto. I think Snell was plan B for the Yanks if they didn’t get Soto, so we will see how they pivot from that one
paddyo furnichuh
LAD don’t need another stud future HOFer LHB like Soto.
LAD did “need” another reliable elite SP
LAD have more of a need for Teoscar back or another solid RHB OF.
Please refer to the Lerner offer Soto turned down if you think he’d take going with a winner for less money in lieu of the most guaranteed money he can get.
His profile along with his agent (yes, also Snell’s -but clients can assert themselves) really looks like it’s Cohen paying record contract for Soto.
ghostofmookiebetts
lemonly pays attention.
Dodger Dog
You are right about everything here. My personal thoughts are the Mets probably blew their shot by not blowing Soto away with an offer. My thought is he ends up somewhere else in the east.
Dodger Dog
Accurate
Dodger Dog
I think the Phillies are quietly lurking
Pads Fans
His residence is in Coronado.
Pads Fans
CBT is based on AAV.
roob
Steve Adam’s just predicted in today’s chat that the Dodgers wouldn’t spend big on a free agent.
Don'tBeDumb
Dodger dog
There’s no way he waited all these years to NOT hear every offer this winter. What offer would’ve kept him from taking other meetings, a billion dollars?
Skruf
….. and Fort Lauderdale, Florida
larkraxm
Mets fans. So arrogant. I think that the Mets are being used to get the Yankees as high as they will go, which is his preferred destination. The Yankees are the most storied franchise in the history of professional sports, and the Mets are an expansion team that wears the same uniform as the Boise State Broncos.
Baseballisthebest
Pads, Really hate the way the threading works here. Whose residence is in Coronado?
stymeedone
Yes, lets sign the most expensive player at a 110% penalty topper! A glaring mistake in the article says that other teams aren’t willing to spend at the Dodgers level. The correct statement is they aren’t ABLE to spend at that level. (Maybe the NY teams). It’s an unequal playing field.
deweybelongsinthehall
Long commute to Toronto … lol
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Mike
Not a good idea for Dodgers to sign Soto unless league creates two DH spots
Anthony maresca
Plus every Soto dollar will cost 110% tax so even if Soto deferred 60% of his $700 million contract the hit would be $506 million just on $460 million full value meaning Soto will cost $1.1 billion plus the deferred money owed. Its not happening period
stan lee the manly
@lemonlyman there has never been a gap this big between the top spending team and the bottom. 30 years ago it was the Grand Canyon, now it’s the entire Pacific Ocean. Unless something is done to preserve parity, it is dying at a very quick rate
JerseyShoreScore
Smart!
slider32
In baseball more than any other sport, the best team on paper doesn’t always win
Brackiss
Personally I wouldn’t consider it winning. If their payroll is 5 times the average, it’s more like they bought the ws.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Soto is not going to the Dodgers. Goodness. Money seems pretty important to him and no way the Dodgers provide the best contract for him. It’s all Mets or Yankees.
Miken31
Dodger Dog:
Huh? How did the Mets blow their shot? I realize you’re just giving your opinion but it’s based on absolutely nothing. Everyone is just submitting their bids now and negotiating. Nobody blew anything.
Miken31
larkraxm
Yes, Mets fans are so arrogant. Yankee fans have never been known for their arrogance… I mean your post now reeks of arrogance. Not everyone in the world is dying to be a Yankee just for the sake of being a Yankee. That brand has certainly become a little stale.
Hammerin' Hank
Soto doesn’t care which coast he winds up on. He just wants to get paid the maximum dollars he can get.
Miken31
Hammerin Hank:
I think you’re wrong. Why does it matter with Japanese players when they want to be on the West Coast but it doesn’t matter with Soto, who wants to be on the East Coast, closer to the Dominican Republic? The fact is, it does matter. Geography matters and it’s been reported repeatedly that he prefers to be on the East Coast. Now, if there was more money coming on the West Coast, that’s a different matter, but the fact is there’s going to be just as much money, if not more, coming from the Mets and Yankees.
Baseballisthebest
Anthony, the CBT is recalculated every season.
Baseballisthebest
Soto and Boras both said it doesn’t matter. Are you saying you believe writers over the horse’s mouth?
Miken31
Baseballisthebest:
Of course they’re going to say it doesn’t matter because they want every team involved to give the highest offer possible. The guy wants to be as close to home as possible.
ghostofmookiebetts
@mike that’s just ridiculous. There are plenty of Japanese players on the east coast and Dominican players on the west coast. It’s always about the money. The only time geography comes into play is when the money is the same or you’re in your 40’s, still grinding and want to be close to your immediate family like Morton.
Miken31
GhostofMookieBetts:
Good Lord, of course there are Japanese players on the East Coast and Dominican players on the West Coast. I didn’t say that they won’t play on the opposite coast. I just said it’s a preference. When you’re trying to negotiate contracts, you’re looking for every edge possible and these are general preferences.
ghostofmookiebetts
Mike, that’s fair but I’d argue that it’s a preference for select individuals
Miken31
GhostofMookieBetts:
I 100% agree with you. Some people could not care less where they play. I’m only putting it out there with Soto because I’ve heard he wants to be close to his parents in the Dominican Republic. Listen, obviously I’ve had no conversations with the guy and who knows but I’ve heard and read many times that he prefers the East Coast to the West Coast. Of course I don’t know that completely to be true, but if the money is close or all the offers are close something like that certainly could become a deciding factor.
ghostofmookiebetts
Agreed. If the offers are close and the teams are both committed to winning then he most likely chooses the east coast
mlbdodgerfan2015
I’d take that bet any day of the week. Couldn’t be more wrong. That’s not how MLB postseason works. Take a look at the last 25 WS winners of this decade alone. White Sox, Marlins, Royals, DBacks, Rangers, Nationals and even the freaking Angels have won. 16 different teams won an WS over the last 25 WS. I don’t think that’s going to change. Yes, there will be a a few teams with multiple WS. Even the Cards won twice so not sure why you’re crying so much. Dodgers hadn’t won one since 1988 when the Dodgers won it in 2020.
The biggest tr0ll
And most people don’t even count 2020…
Baseballisthebest
I take it you believe every conspiracy theory. The earth is flat. The moon landing was fake. Elvis is still alive.
Baseballisthebest
Quick search of Baseball Reference shows more Japanese players have played in NYC than LA.
Baseballisthebest
Do a search for Soto buys house in Coronado. After reading 3 or 4 people post about that he lives there, I looked it up. $20 million house on the water.
So no matter what you heard, Soto lives in California. I bet that is why teams came to California to meet with Soto.
Baseballisthebest
As well they shouldn’t troll.
The biggest tr0ll
Don’t worry about me trolling. I’m just one of Fever Pitch Guy’s upvoters and we all know everyone loves him at this place, especially acell10.
Miken31
Baseballisthebest:
I’m not sure if what you posted was meant for me. If it was, it’s so absurdly out of line it’s not even worth responding to.
Miken31
Baseballisthebest:
Appreciate the research. Obviously not every player is the same. You’d have to have lived under a rock to have not have ever heard that many Japanese players prefer to play on the West Coast because it’s closer to Japan. That doesn’t mean that every player is going to end up in that situation. I’m just discussing a preference. And it’s been reported that Soto has a preference to play on the East Coast because it’s closer to his parents in the Dominican Republic. Really not crazy or far reaching stuff.
Miken31
Baseballisthebest :
I wouldn’t doubt that Soto has several homes. He did play for the Padres so I don’t know when he bought that home. At the end of the day I think it’s all pretty moot because I would say the Mets want him more than any other team and they have a principal owner who has more money than any other owner in the game so that’s where I think he’s going to end up. You don’t have to be so stuck on the West Coast East Coast thing we can just leave it at that.
Baseballisthebest
Mike, The threading is terrible on this site so don’t know what you are even responding too that I said.
Baseballisthebest
Bottom line is more Japanese players have played in NYC than LA.
Soto lives in California, not Fort Lauderdale as has been reported including by the writers on this site. Sometimes you actually have to do your own research and not believe what writers that get paid to get you to click, not to be correct.
Not believing what you find out to be a fact because someone else reported something different is really kind of crazy.
Miken31
Baseballisthebest:
I totally agree. It’s impossible to follow a discussion on this site. I have no idea why it’s the way it is. Let’s just forget it. Hope you had a happy Thanksgiving! Lol.
Baseballisthebest
Soto has 2 homes. One in the Dominican Republic and one in California.
He hasn’t lived in Florida since 2021 when he sold his house in Fort Lauderdale.
He sold his house near DC in 2023.
He bought a $20 million house in Coronado in 2023.
He had teams meet him in California this offseason.
He doesn’t live in Florida. He lives in California.
All of those are things you can do look up yourself. Its not hard. Then you don’t have to repeat someone else’s opinion or say that Soto is lying when he says that it doesn’t matter where the team is located.
Miken31
Baseballisthebest:
Scott Boras is also located in California and I read they met in his office. That’s why teams were meeting in California because that’s where Boras is located. I’m assuming he bought in California when he was on the Padres as i read he bought there in 2023. And it would make no sense for him to buy a new house when he knew he was going into free agency. Again, his parents live in Dominican Republic and I read he wants to live long-term as close as possible to where they are. Why would he have bought a new host house before free agency when it hasn’t been settled? Again, it’s all a moot point because I feel he’s going to end up with either the Yankees or the Mets and I’m thinking the Mets.
The biggest tr0ll
Sometimes I’m just better at trolling this foolish site with its poor threading and useless ads popping up everywhere. It’s not professional at all.
Baseballisthebest
Mike, I think he will sign with the Mets or Yankees too because they will give him the most money. Then live in his $20 million Coronado waterfront mansion in the offseason. Because for all but a few major league players, where they live in the offseason or where their parents live has no bearing on where they sign to play. What matters is who gives them the most money.
CardsFan57
So he will likely buy a house in whatever city the team he signs with plays. That sounds like what he’s been doing. It makes perfect sense. Now, “Show me the money!”
fox471 Dave
Only fummirs.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Signing Snell, Soto, and Sasaki would be an all-time, amazing alliteration.
VonPurpleHayes
It would be splendidly stupendous.
Blue Baron
VonPurpleHayes: It would be something surprisingly spectacular solidly setting a standard for stupendous success.
Pads Fans
Still less than the $1 billion they spent last offseason.
HalosHeavenJJ
It’s still early.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Bart
Snell, Soto and Sasaki is super silly star situation
DarrenDreifortsContract
We don’t want or need Soto.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Yeah, but he helps with the alliteration.
Doral Silverthorn
said no one ever
Blue Baron
DarrenDreifortsContract: We? What team’s roster are you on?
avenger65
This reminds me of the NY Cosmos of the North American Soccer League. They hoarded the best players in the world, like Franz Beckenbauer and Pele, and became so dominant the rest of the teams couldn’t come close to competing. The league folded after about two years, give or take MLB won’t fold, but it isn’t particularly healthy for the league for one team to have all of the cookies in the cookie jar.
Blue Baron
avenger65: They don’t.
lemonlyman
I’m a season ticket holder. Do you think people shell out tens of thousands of dollars for tickets without feeling a sense of identity with a team? I feel sad for you.
Wren
I agree but doesn’t seem like the FO sees it that way
Blue Baron
lemonlyman: That’s nice. But it’s still juvenile to refer to a team as “we” when you don’t actually play.
I had the privilege of meeting Keith Hernandez on a flight recently. He played 7 seasons with the Mets and has broadcast their games for 19.
In our conversation, even he referred to the Mets as “they.” That’s called being an adult.
Dodger Dog
The NL West and East are both going to be pretty competitive for a bit.
angelsfan1391
You know what’s juvenile? Someone getting their panties in a bunch over how someone else refers to the team they root for. Go back to your dungeon and stop being a troll.
Blue Baron
angelsfan: Remember when I asked for your opinion? Me neither.
Let me guess, your parents are cousins.
proton
Blue Baron did anyone ask your opinion? Didn’t think so.
Let me guess your parents are brothers. Sounds stupid when someone writes it doesn’t it? In retrospect you sound stupid.
My team the Mariners are going to sign Sasaki and trade Castillo. Would we have the best staff in MLB with Sasaki? Depends on how he performs if like in the Nippon league have to be one of the best. I wonder what we could get for Castillo? Would be nice to get out from his contract. That is money we could spend on a bat. We deserve Sasaki since the Fallen Angels lied to Ohtani and pulled him away from us. You watch he won’t get hurt playing for the Dodgers. A team that knows how to use their staff. He wouldn’t have been hurt in Seattle since we know how to use our staff too.
Blue Baron
proton: Were you born on the highway? That’s where most accidents happen.
Look, I certainly am not perfect, but at least I’m not you.
Unclemike1526
We all knew they were going to sign one of the FA P’s at least. So the mystery is over. So why is everybody moaning?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Baron
Your first sentence would have been fine, the second sentence is inappropriate
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Proton
You managed to sink to his insult level
leftcoaster
But the Dodgers only have 8 championships. The league shouldn’t do anything until they at least pass the dominant Yankees.
Frenchredsox
There is want and stopping your competitors having him . Soto is young and a generational bat – a game changer like Ohtani and one of the reasons the Yankees got to the WS.
Now if you can get that on your team it simply deprives your opponents of a weapon. The Dodgers will be in the last 3-4 suitors and even if it isn’t their priority they will willingly bid to drive up the market price , just to cripple their competition.
Blue Baron
Frenchredsox: And what rule or law would that violate?
Doral Silverthorn
@avenger
Yes, because soccer.
Miken31
FrenchRedSox:
I get your point, but if it’s the Mets who get him, they certainly will not be crippled. They can afford Soto and a whole lot more.
Led Hoyer
For sure. What team would want the best hitter in mlb in the last decade?
Sayhay88
Don’t want to
frankf
That’s going to be one hell of a starting 3 (4 if Ohtani’s in) assuming those guys are ever healthy at the same time.
JerseyShoreScore
Yup, the S.S.S. Off-Season Plan!
ChiSox_Fan
And trade for Crochet
aaronharper
Damn, I hate the dodgers. For real. I hate them.
fox471 Dave
Of course you do.
fox471 Dave
They aren’t signing Soto.
padam
Deferred dollars is going to be interesting. This is going to be one hell of a staff now.
Joemo
They need to make the contracts cost the full amount ahaindt the luxury tax regardless of the deferrals. The massive increase in Ohtani’s tax value would prevent them from signing some of these players.
Kubanis427
Salty??
Joemo
No? Just telling it like it is. I would rather my team sign Burnes, Fried or Sasaki
BaseballBrian
No, he played for the Red Sox.
YourDreamGM
Deferred $. Every team can do this. No reason to hate the Dodgers for being smarter than your team.
Joemo
My team has had contracts with deferred money so…. Good try?
The whole point of the luxury tax is to punish teams from spending too much. By decreasing the luxury tax hit from a defferal, you’re going against the whole point of the luxury tax. Might as well do away with the luxury tax at that point.
Yankee Clipper
Joemo: I don’t think your assessment is correct. All co tracts are evaluated the same way for the purpose of the luxury tax penalties, to my understanding: the total contract valuation divided by the years of the contract, thus providing a calculated AAV.
Now, with that said, it does save the LAD real mi eh they aren’t paying out which gets mandatorily put into an investment account and earns interest.
In short, there is a pecuniary benefit, but it’s nothing to do with the luxury tax.
Joemo
Yankee – look at the extreme example, Ohtani. His salary is 70MM yearly with 68MM deferred. This makes his luxury tax hit yearly at 46MM.
spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id/24661/shohei-ohtani
If the full 70MM counted towards the luxury tax, they’d be paying an addition 24MM + whatever the penalty is for being over the tax.
Yankee Clipper
Yes, that’s true and from that perspective I understand what you’re saying. To clarify, I also wasn’t suggesting your opinion is flawed regarding the deferment of money, but it’s been allowed in MLB for several decades. I don’t think it’s a wise practice, but many teams have done it, just not to the extent of Ohtani’s deal.
You have a good point though – if they want to curb the deferment practice, penalizing teams at the rate agreed upon would certainly make an impact.
YourDreamGM
They are being punished. Just stretching out the punishment. Your team hasn’t done it enough. Not at LA level or you wouldn’t be complaining.
Blue Baron
Yankee Clipper: Which many teams also do. There aren’t separate rules for the Dodgers.
YourDreamGM
For the record I don’t care if they keep the current system or change it so you can defer $ at all or something in between. Just the dodgers are doing what every team agreed to be possible to do. Any team can and other have do this. Just nothing compared to LA who obviously has much more $ than most the teams.
JSC Cubbs
No, there is. Other teams can’t pay 300 million, even if they can avoid 20 million via tax dodging.
For this, we hate the team that corrupted the last CBA and bought a world series without paying the rest of us what they owe.
Yankee Clipper
Your Dream: I feel exactly the same way…. It’s not a matter of whether I like the deferments or not because it’s the system that’s in place and any team may use.
paddyo furnichuh
No, the CBT is to encourage a high level of competition across all teams each year and there are penalties to dissuade owners from going too far over the limits.
However, Ohtani is a unicorn with a unique international appeal that translates to LAD having a unicorn-like advantage in revenue over most if not all other teams in MLB.
Dodger Dog
Im actually surprised they still let teams defer money, as it makes a franchise way more difficult to sell if they have future payroll obligations that far out. Look at Washington, they haven’t been able to find a buyer mostly due to the deferrals in the strasburg and scherzer deals.
Bivouac-Sal
@Dodger Dog
Yeah who would want to buy the Dodgers?
Blue Baron
JSC Cubbs: Speak for yourself. “We” don’t hate any team.
920falcon
Actually, it’s the MASN deal that is holding up a sale of the Nationals.
DroppedThirdStrike
Luxury tax is based on the value of the money, which is fully accounted for in the case of deferrals. Any case made to the contrary is rooted in the gratuitous C- grade received in high school economics.
slider32
Get used to it, the Dodgers are the new Yankees, plus they have the climate most players like!
Baseball Babe
No every team can’t do this. The player has to be willing to take the deferred money and players will make an exception to be on a super team. Not so much for the White Sox or Marlins. Plus only a handful of teams — really possibly only the Dodgers and Mets – have the financial resources to give out a $52 million signing bonus. It’s extraordinarily unfair and non competitive for the sport.
ckc12537
Eventually the Dodgers will have more salary committed in deferred money than the A’s or Rays are spending on their entire payroll that season.
Mazinger31
It has less to do with being smart and more about understanding the situation. The Dodgers play in a big market, making players more willing to take deferred money. The Dodgers also can afford to absorb the costs of paying the deferred money without much issue. While all teams are allowed to do it, using deferred money doesn’t make sense for many teams.
Stealing Signs
No, the whole point of the luxury tax is for the cheap @ss owners who don’t want to spend money to benefit from those who do.
Stop feeling sorry for billionaire owners who’d rather pocket profits than improve their teams.
A'sfaninLondonUK
@ckc12737
Try in about 18 months time. The deferrments have to made within two years of the start of a contract. So on opening day 2026, the Dodgers have to bank $46 million for Ohtani. If you add the deferrments to Betts, Freeman and others, I guess you’ll be close to the A’s & the Ray’s.. .
ckc12537
No, that isn’t true.
Yankee Clipper
Which part? Sorry, I don’t know if you’re responding to me or someone else.
ckc12537
not you, there was a comment that salary deferrals for ohtani were to be paid out within 24 months or something. but it’s gone now?
Blue Baron
Joemo: Who are “they?” And there’s no rule being violated and no magic wand anyone can wave to change anything.
Joemo
It would probably need to be in the next CBA.
And it’s completely legal you’re right, but goes against the whole purpose of a luxury tax.
If you’re going to say hey you’re paying this person 35MM for the 2025 season, but their luxury tax hit is only 26MM due to the deferrals, you’re not actually punishing them for spending more money. Their luxury tax hit for 2025 should be 35MM.
YourDreamGM
Kicking the $ down the road it will eventually have to count. Eventually they will have to cut back on contract spending. That will be when Mookie Ohtani Freeman etc are non MVP level guys nearing the end. They are taking advantage of their studs when it makes the most sense to do so. It’s a smart completely legal move as you acknowledged. Easy to hate the Dodgers but you should be hating your stupid team for not doing it. Other than Nationals fans whose team has done it.
Blue Baron
Joemo: Whether any team should be punished for its spending is based on a socialist concept and highly debatable, which is why negotiations around it are so contentious.
JSC Cubbs
Manfred could change it. It is the commissioners obligation to protect the spirit of the competition. He has done it before when he did not allow the padres offer to Aaron Judge.
Different sport, but it’s the same as when the nfl banned the Holy Roller after it “didn’t break any rules”. It broke the spirit of the rules and must be changed.
No, the dodgers didn’t “cheat”.
Yes, they won a World Series, and that should be acknowledged.
How they bought that championship needs to be fixed.
And Ohtani must pay state and federal taxes on his 680 million he intends to leave America for, but that’s another issue..
Flyby
@yourdream
I agree it should eventually count but it doesnt in the end for tax purposes ohtani will only count for about 480M total where his contract with deferments is around 700M so the dodgers save about 220M probably closer to 450M if they are consistently hitting the taxes.
if they took 48M for each of his playing days and 22M for his deferred years i would agree with the way it is done.
YourDreamGM
I thought it all counted whether 2025 to 2035 or 2045 to 2055. Still don’t care. It’s legal. Every team can do it.
Same with cap. If I owned a flyover team or fan of one I would want a cap. If I was in a mega city I wouldn’t want a cap.
TheGr8One
We have Bobby Bonilla day for a reason. Orioles are still paying Khris Davis. Deferred money not new.
kingbum
The one constant that happens every year is inflation. What the Dodgers are counting on is that the CBT tax level will double from where it is at right now. If ya got a $500 million budget all the sudden $70 million is just a 15% hit. All the while ya collected interest on that money as well
MLB Top 100 Commenter
In some respects, it is a government-sanctioned monopoly.
Teams are slightly penalized for spending.
The system is not broke, despite the economic difficulties flowing from broadcast deals, baseball is healthy and thriving. No changes are needed to the current system, although players and owners can always explore agreed-upon adjustments. To me, it is not broken and does not need fixing.
JerseyShoreScore
100s of contracts have had deferrals, lets not pretend this is a NEW or Dodgers issue. Bobby Bonilla has decades of deferrals!
maxmilna
Crybabies crying again.
Wire to wire 2024
Sports are only fun if it’s competitive, go watch the globetrotters
paddyo furnichuh
Tell Bob Nutting… or even Crane or Ricketts
The latter two are owners of MLB teams of the 3rd and 4th most populous cities in the US. Yet they spend more like they love Nutting and despise Guggenheim, Cohen and Steinbrenner.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Interesting argument on baseball not being competitive when most fans claimed that the Dodgers 2020 WS was not real and that the last time they won a WS was 1988. Seems like baseball has been plenty competitive.
As good as the Dodgers roster will be most likely there will be a new 2025 WS champion. Baseball postseason is unpredictable. Better team doesn’t always win. It’s not always like 2024.
IsIt2025Already?
Weird how that seems to be fans over every team not in NY or LA!
Joggin’George
You think the same four teams dominating every year is good for the sport?
VegasMoved
What teams are you talking about? The 2 titles in 36 years Dodgers? The no titles in 15 years Yankees? The no titles in 38 years Mets?
Joggin’George
I’m talking about the FUTURE. Things have changed. Moving forward, a small handful of teams will dominate.
Joggin’George
Understand the point I’m making is based upon the CHANGES that seem to have suddenly occurred. The top teams are suddenly outspending the rest by a much wider margin than in the past.
Pizzaboy
They tend to dominate the regular season. Playoffs are a bit of a crapshoot
YourDreamGM
Not only spending more but spending wisely. Especially Dodgers.
JerseyShoreScore
Yup, those are the top payroll teams in recent years…
Dodgers were laughingstock as recently as two months ago, wasting money, opportunities, and just ONE full season world championship since 1966!!!
mlbdodgerfan2015
Who are these top 4 teams? They don’t dominate every year. Dodgers lost in NLDS in 2022 and 2023. How many back to back WS have we had? Did these top 4 teams participate in the 2023 WS? More whining than real facts.
Pete'sView
I’m not sure about the Titles so much as the 162-game season which fans of every team want to watch . . .unless the KNOW it’s a fools errand.
Joggin’George
Why is it so difficult to understand that WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE!!!?
No, the top four spending teams haven’t dominated in the recent past.
But TRENDS ARE CHANGING.
That’s what we are saying.
towinagain
Why bother anymore.
towinagain
Go out and get Buehler Padres!
Well....shoot
And Sasaki!!
Doral Silverthorn
@towinagain
Bye
towinagain
@doral you leaving, so soon? Bye my friend
Pickle_Britches
Fans and merch sales makes up for it
Bivouac-Sal
merch sales are shared equally by all 30 teams
VegasSDfan
My only concern with Snell would be will he be healthy.
neurogame
You could say that about the ENTIRE Dodger starting rotation.
Every pitcher on it, or who could be projected to be on it, has had arm trouble in the last year.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Snell is a health risk. But a reasonable one.
It is funny that some posters complain that the Dodgers are spending too much and say that this deal is an overpay or bad judgment. If they really thought that, then they would be happy as there is an opportunity cost to spending money on Snell. The “outrage” is a concession by posters that Snell, while risky, is indeed a valuable commodity with a low floor but a super high ceiling.
roob
Now, the Dodgers are just wasting money. They’re so loaded. Ridiculous overpay for a 5 inning pitcher who has thrown more than 129 innings only twice and he’s 31. This contract will not age well but the Dodgers don’t care.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
They KNEW THIS WAS COMING.
THATS WHY THEY EXPANDED THE PLAYOFFS.
That’s whynthey let 40% of the league into the playoffs
So most fans don’t complain.
Think.about.that a while.
163 game.season = deliberately the long haul.
Then they do this.
40% or 12/30 get into the playoffs.
fox471 Dave
Oh please!
vaderzim
Looks like someone didn’t want to wait until March this time.
thefallensoldier
Each of the Boras boys from last offseason sucked big time to start the season so maybe they finally wisened up to the importance of building up through the offseason with the team.
gravel
Matt Chapman did just fine.
roob
He’s not a pitcher.
stymeedone
But he started slow.
Pads Fans
Snell was just given a $6 million raise over the AAV of his last deal. Boras got him a 20% raise over his last deal and did it one year later. $22 million more than this site predicted. He didn’t wisen up. He was just presented by the Dodgers with more money than anyone thought he would get.
DroppedThirdStrike
He literally got exactly what was predicted.
Rexhudler86
@dropped. Even if he got a dollar someone would’ve said it was a overpay.
Michol
They learned a lesson. No more demanding $300m contract, lol.
YourDreamGM
They all did fine. They negotiated poorly for long term deals. Had unrealistic expectations. Music stopped they were left without a chair. So they did the next best thing and took 2 or 3 year high aav deals. They either do well and get a huge pay day like Snell Chapman. Or don’t do that well or even stink like Bellinger Monty and use their player option. Good fall back.
Pads Fans
Snell never demanded a $300 million. The guy just got a $6 million raise over the AAV of his last deal and Boras got that for him one year later.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Snell learned that there are only a few teams that can afford brilliance with a low inning count. Smart move to take the money.
C Yards Jeff
@MLB Top 100 C. Agreed.
Also, he’s getting up there in age. To his credit; he just put himself in the best possible place to get a ring before it’s too late.
Frenchredsox
Or he wanted fro have a chance to go to a competitive team and finally go/win the WS ? For all his brilliance in the second half of the season he watched the playoffs (again) at home . This got him the money and he signed with a team who are annually guaranteed a shot at the WS.
sean-11
Jesus Christ
no soup for you
Buddha
yeah, sure!
Me
9/11ths
@yeah, sure! I like your spirit! I shall consider it holy.
Sayhay88
Hare Krishna
mahalkita
My saviour. God in the flesh.
Old York
Amaterasu
9/11ths
David Fletcher
hiflew
Flying spaghetti monster.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Dark Lord Beelzebub.
Old York
@Bart Harley Jarvis
Honestly, my only true god is The Fightins guy.
9/11ths
Also gotta like Satan. I like their Samuel Alito’s Mom Abortion Clinic.
I even bought a lunch box!
Blue Baron
sean-11: Jesus saves. Moses invests.
9/11ths
Did 9/11ths autocorrect to Sean-11?
lol Sounds like a Chinese knock-off of Ben-10.
FatChance65
Imhotep
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
The Void
ghostofmookiebetts
Fat Chance wins
unpaidobserver
Imhotep was an architect…
RyÅnWKrol
Sauron
ghostofmookiebetts
SATAN
BaseballBrian
Alahu Akbar.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Babe Ruth
myaccount2
Had him around $150M. Curious to see what he gets.
“More to come…” before people start telling me the contract details ARE IN THE ARTICLE haha
mahalkita
182. the contract details ARE IN THE ARTICLE
Joemo
They update the articles
MattyC 2
182 plus a 52M signing bonus
theroyal19
The $52M signing bonus is included in the total $182M. It’s not extra, just an upfront payment
FenwayFanatic
Is it??
Okay that makes more sense
RunDMC
Anyone reporting how much is deferred? I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the signing bonus, which would come in close to what was deferred for Freeman (57M).
theroyal19
Fabian said the expected CBT number is $32-33M meaning the deferral should be in the $60-70M range
YourDreamGM
Boo my2. Let the have their fun.
Johnny Devil
More to come is still win now pay later,friend. Sadly the dodgers keep blowing out arms. Smells barely 100 innings won’t help the cause.
Ann Porkins
As a Giants fan, c’mon Dodgers… at least give us a month before crushing our spirits again
SFan
“Oh I want to stay with the Giants!”
oldgfan
Probably did, but then the LA wallet opened up.
gravel
“Good for the rivalry.”
Freeman’s agent
Dodgers hate Padres more than Giants now. Especially Profar.
DigglinDickers
Yikes 5 years
bhd360
Dodgers about to revolutionize the game with the 13 man rotation
myaccount2
13 starters is probably smart when 12 of them can’t stay healthy.
Freeman’s agent
You’re not wrong. I feel like they are going to rest starters throughout the season. 2 weeks off here and there.
Big Poison
I’m shocked that he didn’t sign with a small market team. JK. Baseball’s financial structure is broken. Pro sports are all competitive but one. Just baseball.
myaccount2
16 different World Series winners this century. NFL has 15 different Super Bowl winners this century.
Harrison Butker's Mount Rushmore Worthy Speech
Hey just a heads up
Super Bowl has only been around 50 something years
A century is 100 years
16 out of 100 years is a lot smaller percentage than 15 / 57
Harrison Butker's Mount Rushmore Worthy Speech
Also there’s been 20 different Super Bowl winners
20 different winners out of 58 total super bowls
The NBA ABA merged was back in 1976 and there’s been 18 different winners since the merger
wreckage
He said this century, not in the last century.
DanzigInTheDark
Doesn’t take a lot of thought to realize OP is referring to the current century we started in 2000.
Harrison Butker's Mount Rushmore Worthy Speech
This century is from 1924 to 2024 which includes dates from pre merger times for both nba and nfl
sorayablue
“this century“
VegasMoved
He’s talking about the 21st century. As in, the last 23 years.
Harrison Butker's Mount Rushmore Worthy Speech
Obviously not since there’s been less winners not 15 since 2000
Out of 25 possible super bowls
Kc won 3
New England won 6
Tampa won 2
Ravens won 2
Rams won 2
Giants won 2
Steelers won 2
7 teams won 19 of 25 meaning 6 teams would need to win the other 6.
Macknoche
Glad some can read! Good job wreckage!
uberalec
You can’t really be this dumb, right?
Joggin’George
Generally century refers to “18th”, “21st” etc… not one hundred years ago.
Harrison Butker's Mount Rushmore Worthy Speech
1924 to 2024 is 100 years
There haven’t been 15 different Super Bowl winners since 2000
You all just believe everything you read on the internet and don’t check?
wreckage
Eagles, Packers, Colts, Broncos, Seahawks… So it’s just about there already. Maybe the OP missed by 1. But the point is there is parity in all leagues and there are far more than 15 winners in the last hundred years than 15. Cowboys, Redskins, 49ers in the 10 years prior to 2000. Then add teams like the Bears, and Raiders.
myaccount2
If you’re going to criticize me, please double check first. I said “this century” aka the 21st century, as in since 2000. Thanks.
myaccount2
That would not be the proper term. Centuries are counted from year 1 to year 99. You can refer to 1924-2024 as “a century” but not “this century.”
myaccount2
@wreckage- Yep, I counted the Rams twice. Their wins were far enough apart that I didn’t recognize I counted them both times. Thanks!
wreckage
This century is from 2000 til now, the last century is 1924 – now. There has been about 14 NFL teams to win this century, and about 25 to win it since it’s inception.
wreckage
@myaccount, Wasn’t 1 in st Louis anyways so it could technically be 2 different teams?
myaccount2
Yep, that was directed to Butker, but I appreciate you backing me up on this and agree with you haha
myaccount2
Uhh, that’s exactly what I meant… Lol great point, wreckage!
JScottG
Better to stay silent and make people wonder if you’re stupid then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Most of the class understood the this century reference that starts in 2000.
wreckage
It’s been 16 different MLB winners in the past 24 years. 23 if you are one of those that don’t count the dodgers shortened season. And only 5 current MLB franchises have not won a WS title meaning at least 25 teams have won in thr past 100 years, not including defunct teams.
myaccount2
And some are newer like the Expos/Nats and Rays who have gotten very close multiple times.
wreckage
We agree 100% @myaccount2. Anyone claiming there isn’t parity in championships is wrong. To say there isn’t parity in team salaries could be correct, but teams salaries don’t always equal championships. And there have been issues with team salaries for far longer than the past 24 years. Hence why the NHL had to address it in the 90s when teams like Detroit and the NYR bought enough of the top tier talent that the NHL had to hold out for a whole season plus to save teams like Winnipeg, Edmonton, Calgary, and Minnesota from collapsing and created opportunities for cities like Tampa, Carolina, Arizona, Columbus, ect to exist. MLB nearly contracted Minnesota and Montreal before revenue sharing got to this point. And it’s smaller market teams in the NFL be able to continually exist if not succeed.
wreckage
Rams won with 2 different teams so technically 2 different championships. One in St Louis and one in LA. Gets it to 15 in my eyes.
Chicken In Philly?
Learn your prepositions, bro. Killing me.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Actually it started on 1st January 2001.
Baseballisthebest
This century started with 2001
Baseballisthebest
You are right. 14 different teams have won a Super Bowl since 2000.
Baseballisthebest
They were also in different cities. St Louis Rams and Los Angeles Rams.
i like al conin
It’s not just about titles but length of competitive windows. No one can win it all every year. Most big market teams compete nearly every year, small and mid rebuild and retool. The system is broken.
ohyeadam
How many of those WS winning teams are in the bottom half of payroll? Two, Marlins and Royals? It’s basically the top 15 teams and them
VonPurpleHayes
It’s almost as if teams should spend more money.
YourDreamGM
10 years ago how many teams spent over 200 million? 15 years ago? 20? Small markets are about a third of the league they are all spending under 130m. Aren’t spending anymore than they did 5 to 10 years ago. You can’t compete with 200 300 million long term. You need to do everything perfect and get lucky short term. Only 1 small market team has win the world series this century. KC Royals. Marlins aren’t a good market but they where top half of payroll when they won. Famous for “buying” championship and selling off after. A few teams will dominate. Few will get their share. Few others here and there. But for small markets it will be a rare occurrence. Out of all of them they might win once every decade or two. They are due.
myaccount2
@DreamGM- So now we’re moving the goalposts and penalizing winners even of they were just top half spenders? Come on. 2005 White Sox and 2011 Cardinals weren’t top 10 when they won, Phillies in 2007 were either 13th or 14th in payroll depending on your source, 2002 Angels were 15th… my point is it is not completely dominated by large markets like everyone makes it out to be. Yes, it skews towards top half spenders just like the NFL skews towards teams with top 10 QBs.
wreckage
10 years ago a beer at a game was also only $9 (still grossly over priced) and a hot dog was $7. And a family could afford upper bowl tickets at least. At home you could buy groceries for a week for 2 people for under $100. And most pubs had 25c wings. Try finding any of that now.
Ann Porkins
I couldn’t find any of that 15 years ago lol
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
What do you mean the athletics aren’t on par with the Yankees?
Stop Giving Billionaires Money
Free market is competition. You guys want dodgers and Yankees fans money to go to the royals and reds. That’s not competition, that’s socialism
seamaholic 2
In the end though the Yankees and Dodgers depend on there being viable, competitive teams to play against, or there is no sport to charge people to watch.
i like al conin
It’s not a free market, there’s an imbalance in revenue streams impacting competition.
hiflew
It’s not socialism. They are all part of the same league. Each team is not a fully autocratic entity, they are all branches from the same trunk.
VonPurpleHayes
Baseball hasn’t had a dynasty in over a decade. We see a different winner every year.
Hawkeye75
7 straight LCS appearances and 2 championships is a dynasty. They called the 1990s Braves a dynasty and they only won once. Just sayin.
VonPurpleHayes
Fair. Fair. The Stros are a dynasty, but a tainted one.
uberalec
The Braves weren’t a dynasty, and neither are these Dodgers (yet) – they’ve won one full season title. Nor the Astros. The 90s Yankees, Bulls, Cowboys, Cornhuskers, 00s Patriots are dynasties, the current Chiefs probably as well.
VonPurpleHayes
That’s my take as well.
Led Hoyer
Except the dodgers.
hiflew
That’s just because the postseason is more about luck than dominance. Any team can win a series. Regular seasons in baseball determine dynasties, The Braves of the 90s were a dynasty even though they only won one title.
VonPurpleHayes
If that’s the case, then the 2007-2011 Phillies should be a dynasty, but no sane person would agree.
Yankee Clipper
Only 10 different NBA champions this century. And both the NBA/NFL have 32 teams v baseball’s 30. Baseball has the greatest parity among major professional sports.
Brettlez
Not true at all my friend.
Sure, that many have won since 2000 but this problem has gotten significantly worse since 2010. Since 2010, 85% of the world series representatives have been from the top 10 big market/payroll teams while only 15% have been from the other 20 teams. Only 3 winners in 14 years have been outside the top 10 big markets and if you expand it to the top 15 big markets, only ONE of the winners has been from the bottom 15 markets (KC). At least in football every team is on a level financial playing.
Yankee Clipper
Okay, but that just proves the same “financial playing field” does not equal parity.
Look at the NFL or NBA in that same time frame. Multiple championships for the same teams and I don’t see very many of the same small markets winning either. Could it just be that this is an ownership problem?
See the real problem is that people who laud the NfL system ado so because THEIR team is the one winning. It has nothing to do with parity.
Brettlez
Yesh but ANY team can become a dynasty in the NFL, therefore parity. KC in the MLB can never become one because they can’t retain stars or sign new stars. Shocking how you can’t grasp that.
Brettlez
I’m not a KC or NE fan but I can still see that they built a dynasty in a competitively balanced environment. They made a dynasty because their organization is good, not because they have more resources.
Yankee Clipper
But the nature of your argument is failing in its application. You’re good with teams building dynasties but not okay with a higher percentage of teams winning overall? That’s antithetical to your argument of competitive balance.
You’re asking for financial parity, NOT competitive parity. I would suggest you really look at the outcome you are asking for.
Yankee Clipper
YOU say it’s competitively balanced but the evidence does not. You’re failing to see the flaws in your own argument.
Brettlez
Lol, too much of a biased yankee homer to understand I guess. You’re taking one specific stat and claiming that makes it an even playing field when it’s not. It’s clear by stat with more context that it’s almoat always the top 15 market and money teams winning, with the top 10 winning at an even higher rate. The NFL is a level playing field financially and on every other level. Just because teams are able to build dynasties doesn’t mean it’s not a level playing field. By your logic the NFL should sabotage or penalize dynasties which would then not make it a level playing field.
Yankee Clipper
If the NFL is “more even” why do fewer teams win? But your “Yankee homer” comment tells me you realize you cannot justify your point so you resort to personalization.
Educate yourself, stop the circular argument, and produce evidence to support your claim. Or don’t, but silence is better than looking the part of a fool.
Brettlez
I have a very clear and logical argument. You obviously have no idea how to interpret information and make conclusions from very limited, out of context points of information. I’ll say this again and maybe you can put it into chat GPT or whatever you need to understand it. More teams in MLB do win but all of these teams EXCEPT KC are top 15 in market and spending, therefore, the bottom 15 teams have next to no shot at winning a world series. If you go back and look at MLB payrolls the year a team won the WS, all of them EXCEPT KC were top 10 in spending that year. That is not competitive balance, every NFL team has the same resources to win a superbowl, just because there are good front offices and bad front offices DOESNT mean that it isnt competitively balanced. How about you do some actual fact checking and research instead of looking at one stat and forming an opinion? Oh right, that requires an IQ > 100.
Yankee Clipper
So….. your argument is still “ten teams pocket revenue sharing money so because of that let’s cap the teams that spend…”. Yes, very sound logic indeed…..Nope. BTW, does what proof is there that the front office is the difference? Again, a baseless premise I don’t accept because your proof is what you’re trying to prove (circular logic on your part).
You have a prototypical elitist argument: “I believe what I’m saying makes sense so any other argument means you’re an idiot.” Learn more, do better, and you *might* not look foolish.
Go respawn on your video game where everything is just how you design it to be.
Brettlez
Yes, cap spending and revenue share just like the NFL does. It would be nice if all 30 teams were maxing out payroll every year like the NFL. The proof that the front office is the difference is the fact that there is no difference in the amount of money a team can spend and they both start with the same number of draft picks. What else would it be if not for the front office drafting well, hiring good coaching, and fostering a winning culture? Look at the perennial good NFL teams, KC, PIT, SF, GB. Most of these are small market teams that would be at a massive deficit without a salary cap and revenue sharing from bigger markets.
Brettlez
Sure, that many have won since 2000 but this problem has gotten significantly worse since 2010. Since 2010, 85% of the world series representatives have been from the top 10 big market/payroll teams while only 15% have been from the other 20 teams. Only 3 winners in 14 years have been outside the top 10 big markets and if you expand it to the top 15 big markets, only ONE of the winners has been from the bottom 15 markets (KC). At least in football every team is on a level financial playing.
Frenchredsox
Actually all US pro sports aren’t competitive- they’re “closed” oligopolies. What happens to the worst team in any US sports , are they relegated to a lesser league or replaced by a different team ?
Nope – they get actually get *rewarded* by getting high guaranteed picks in the next draft !
An US athlete finishing last in his heat/race is eliminated … in English soccer last 3 teams drop out of the Premier League …
In nurse follars
“I want mine” – Blake Snell.
“My wife is my rock” – Jim Thome signing with Phillies.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Underrated comment
RunDMC
Congrats to Blake’s great grandkids. They just got paid.
9/11ths
Bless up! The can afford surgery to not look like the squirrel from Ice Age.
RunDMC
lol
cooperhill
Some woman is drunk enough to have beer goggles that thick?
9/11ths
chin pewbs bauer had a hot wiman motorboat his moobs. Snellio Kontos gets laid.
Ann Porkins
Someone has been willing to be naked with my ugly broke ass, so I don’t think a millionaire athlete has to worry
seamaholic 2
He’s already made $80m in his career.
johncoltrane
Do the dodgers still go after roki sasaki?
NickTheDev
Absolutely.
hiflew
Of course they do. They go after everyone because they are the richest.
Cam
All teams are rich. Not all teams are prepared to spend.
hiflew
Oh shut up. You know that is not true.
Joggin’George
Not all teams can afford the budget of the Dodgers. Don’t be ridiculous.
Stop Giving Billionaires Money
That’s because Dodger fans spend that on their team. None of these clubs are losing money. Even the A’s owner is part of a family worth multiple billions
Ashleyr
If the Dodgers are so rich, WHY do they have to defer money into the next century. They will owe 100 million per season from 2030 – 2050 and all the players will be retired. Deferrals will bankrupt baseball, but the fans don’t care. They want championships here and now and couldn’t care less about the fans of tomorrow.
DanzigInTheDark
MLB teams contribute ~48% of their local revenues to be split amongst the 30 clubs, a number that is estimated to be about $110M. In addition to that, they all receive an equal share of the national TV rights deal, which is an additional $90M.
So before selling a single ticket, hot dog, or parking spot, teams are generating $200M in revenue.
Every team could have easily signed this contract if they wanted to; arguing otherwise is just carrying water for billionaires that would rather pocket that revenue than put a superior product on the field.
Joggin’George
You are exhibiting typical fan ignorance of finance.
The TEAMS money is separate from an OWNERS money. Because an owner is a millionaire does not mean the TEAM is not financially struggling.
Joggin’George
Because deferred money is better for billionaires. They can invest the money today and MAKE money off it.
They put the money owed in an investment account, GENERATE INCOME, and then pay out later. It’s like borrowing interest free.
It’s GOOD for the team to defer money, now and in the long run. If anything, the PLAYER is losing out.
Cam
@hiflew – stick to being the troll and class clown around here. Getting angry and telling people to shut up isn’t as entertaining
BMOa
Dodger owner group invested the deferred money in the stock market. They have the cash to pay Ohtani, deferring allows them to build a team. In 9 years the invested from Othani’s deferment will be worth 1.4 billion.
hiflew
You weren’t supposed to be entertained, you were supposed to shut up. But apparently you can’t do that either.
TheGr8One
Your comment (and most on here) are missing one very important truth. As you poop on the Dodgers don’t forget the deferral was Ohtani’s idea not the team. Team just vigorously nodded at the hand given them
Another missed point is whether his AAV was rated at 70 or 48 or 193 Shohei Ohtani prints money. He changes his number and there will be 12 million new sales of jerseys in Japan alone. In no way does or would his AAV affect Dodger business. Probably the only player that is self financing his own deal.
stymeedone
What does the A’s owner’s family being worth money have anything to do with the teams budget? Just because your mommy lets you live in the basement, rent free, and pays your car insurance, doesn’t mean that’s how it works for everyone.
stymeedone
@Danzig
Before selling a single ticket, please tell me what a MLB teams expenses are. You know, payroll, stadium costs, advertising, insurance, travel, lodging, promotions, utilities…
As most of that $200MM is player payroll, not a lot left.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Joggin
But they can afford more than they are spending.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Joggin
You have to take into account the appreciation in value of the team. Many owners just pocket that increase in value rather than reinvesting g it in the team.
slider32
All teams are rich enough to support a 240 million dollar budget, but most want a bigger profit! The Rays and the Bucs are in the same market, and so are the Royals and Chiefs!
Johnny Devil
The dodgers spend on their team because their players either break down, can’t speak English or get the heck out of crazy town.
Johnny Devil
Sure
RunDMC
Ohtani is making 2M/season, with most deferred until mid-century. All teams can afford that, but most wouldn’t mortgage the future, and even fewer would be attractive enough for Ohtani to be interested in that type of commitment. Maybe not ‘all teams’ can afford that, but most could.
jaimeb311
This! The payers would be better off taking the money now and investing it, the same way the owners are doing it with the deferred salaries.
DanzigInTheDark
Since MLB teams guard their full books more fiercely than the hounds of hell, it’s pretty difficult to parse out exactly those numbers.
But, to use one example, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported in 2022 that the Pirates covered their entire team payroll for most years between 2007-2021 through strictly ticket sales and concessions. The new CBA kicked in the year after that, so one can easily assume that most of that $200M revenue share coming in would be available for payroll.
DTownWarrior97
OMFG! Yeah, the Dodgers are where they are b/c their fans spend on their team! Give me a break chief! They are where they are b/c of the pockets of guys like Magic Johnson Mark Walter! I see thousands of Old English D’s around Michigan and we can’t afford players like Ohtani and Snell. So tell me another one bro
Stealing Signs
Owners are billionaires, with a B, not millionaires & if the team is being run so poorly that it’s financially struggling than it should be sold to someone that.can run it properly..
hiflew
Yeah and look at how the Chiefs were in the 50 years BEFORE they got Mahomes. And look at how the Bucs were for 95% of their history. Is that really the argument you wanna go with?
Besides, last time I checked baseball and football were two different sports.
Baseballisthebest
Danzig, I starred your comment for the first paragraph. Its correct.
The 2nd isn’t. All teams probably have about the same non-player related expenses judging from the fact that those expenses for the Braves and Blue Jays have been only $1 million apart the last 4 years. Around $130 million each year. Both of those teams are owned by publicly traded companies so we get to see that info.
If there was a large disparity between those two that would point to large differences with other teams. At most it’s a few million.
Some teams like the Rays and Marlins have little revenue beyond what you mentioned. Those two teams may be the two mentioned by Manfred in 2022-2023 offseason when he said no team had annual revenue below $250 million and that only two had not climbed above that figure.
$130 million non-player expenses would leave teams like that a maximum of $120 million in player related expenditures without going into the red. That includes all the things CBT tries to count. While a team at the bottom of the revenue scale could sign a player with a $36 million salary, that would keep them from signing other players. So yes, they could have one Snell but no other top players.
A team like the Dodgers with much larger revenue can afford to sign Snell and 4-5 other players with that size of salary.
Just to put things in perspective, the Braves and had revenue higher than Forbes said the Dodgers did and yet neither of those teams was mentioned in the top 5 while the Dodgers were acknowledged as the number two team in total revenue.
That being said, no team should have a CBT payroll less than $100 million. Especially a team like the A’s that had local media contracts 4 times as high as the Rays. If they do they are just pocketing millions at the expense of the fans.
Baseballisthebest
GR, Jersey and all other licensed merchandise sales revenue, the 15% royalty MLB receives on the $4 billion worldwide gross sales, is split equally between the MLBPA and MLB. Then MLB splits that money equally among all 30 teams. Ohtani selling more jerseys helps all teams equally.
I hope he sells 200 million jerseys a year so that the team I cheer for at the other side of the continent gets more money.
As others have said, Ohtani is not self-financing his deal for his team with increases in revenue. He could afford tobdo that large of a percentage of deferrals because he personally makes so much annually in endorsements. Ohtani earns around $30 million per year in endorsement income while no other MLB player is over $4 million.
Ohtani undoubtedly increased the Dodgers revenue streams, but not by close to the $48 million annually they are paying him.
thecrown24
The dodgers are the richest? No sir they are by far the richest. Steve Cohen is the richest owner in Baseball and it’s not even close
hiflew
I am not talking about which owner is the richest. I am talking about which TEAM is the richest. Owners do not generally spend their own money on payroll. Team revenue for teams like the Dodgers and Yankees is much higher than the rest. Until MLB implements some kind of REAL revenue sharing, it will always be that way.
seamaholic 2
I’m normally a pretty chill dude, but honestly, are you all really that dumb that you think an owner’s other wealth determines how big his team’s payroll is?
Also, you’re wrong on your own terms. The Dodgers are owned by a huge hedge fund. It could buy and own Steve Cohen many times over.
stymeedone
@ the crown
Cohen is not the Mets. The Mets generate revenue among the top teams in the sport. The Dodgers team generates more. Also, the Dodgers have multiple owners. Wouldn’t surprise me, if added together, they were worth as much as Cohen. It still has nothing to do with team revenue.
VegasMoved
Pursuing Roki has nothing to do with being rich.
johncoltrane
Ohtani, yamamoto, glasnow, Kershaw. may & gonsolin returning from injury. AND roki? Each pitcher will throw on 12 days rest
hiflew
Nope, they will go with 2 starters. Both go 4-5 innings and alternate which one goes first. That’ll cover 10 pitchers. You’ll have a regular closer and 2 mop up guys on the rare instance that one of their starters pitches poorly.
I say that in jest, but there will be people that insist it is a great idea and will revolutionize the game.
brocnessmonster
3-4 of those guys will be hurt at any given time. That’ll leave them with a bonkers 6-man rotation all season.
SoCalBrave
The Dodgers need to sign 11 SP to field a 6 man rotation
YourDreamGM
Dodgers should have 2 teams. AL NL. MLB wants expansion. Be like Raw Smackdown have a draft every year. It’s not fair they already have Freddy so can’t go after Pete and Walker.
Cambo
Should just let the Dodgers sign guys in November and December, then the rest of the teams can participate with what is left.
stymeedone
They missed on Stassi. So there!
twozero6ix
SMH wack
BronxBombers23
Dodgers are doing Yankees things and the Yankees s***
Black Ace57
This isn’t what the Yankees ever did. George would pay the luxury tax bill the Dodgers are circumventing it.
Ryan W
The La Dollars
MatthewStairs