The calendar has not yet even flipped to May, leaving more than three months to go until MLB’s trade deadline on July 31. That hasn’t stopped some teams from assessing their needs and even beginning to look into potential targets for the summer, however, and USA Today’s Bob Nightengale writes that the Phillies and Diamondbacks both already have an eye on Cardinals closer Ryan Helsley. There’s no indications that St. Louis is currently listening to offers on their closer, nor that either Philadelphia or Arizona has reached out to Cardinals brass at this point, though Nightengale goes on to suggest that Helsley is “likely” to be dealt prior to the deadline.
It’s easy to see why Helsley would be an attractive candidate for teams looking for a closer. The righty emerged as the Cardinals’ closer in 2022 and has been nothing short of dominant ever since, with a combined 1.83 ERA (225 ERA+), a 34.6% strikeout rate, and and 2.35 FIP to go with 83 saves over the past three years. Those numbers are nothing short of elite: Among all qualified relievers during that stretch, Helsley’s ERA is third (behind Emmanuel Clase and Devin Williams), his FIP is fourth (behind Williams, Matt Brash, and Edwin Diaz), his saves total ranks sixth, and his strikeout rate ranks eighth.
Those sensational numbers made Helsely a prime trade target for clubs in need of relief help over the winter, including Arizona and Toronto. The Cardinals seemingly rebuffed offers on their closer throughout the offseason, however, even as they opted not to discuss an extension with their closer as they shied away from making long-term commitments this winter. St. Louis’s 12-15 record puts them 4.5 games back of the Cubs in the NL Central and three games underwater. It’s still plenty early enough for virtually any team in the majors to go on a run and get themselves into the playoff conversation, but failing a surprise reversal in fortune a Cardinals front office that attempted to soft-launch a retooling over the offseason appears likely to sell rental pieces like Helsley this summer.
Should Helsley be dangled by the Cardinals later this year, they’ll surely find plenty of suitors. Toronto pivoted to sign Jeff Hoffman after they failed to land Helsley, and that decision is going swimmingly so far. The Diamondbacks did not find a closer over the offseason, however, so Nightengale’s report that they have continued interest in Helsley makes plenty of sense. That’s particularly true after A.J. Puk was shelved last week due to elbow inflammation that seems likely to keep him out of action for the foreseeable future, further denting a bullpen that relied primarily on Puk and Justin Martinez to close out games.
The Phillies, meanwhile, attempted to address the losses of Hoffman and Estevez in free agency by signing non-tendered Jays closer Jordan Romano. The 32-year-old had been one of the league’s top closing pitchers not long ago, with a 2.29 ERA and two All-Star appearances between 2020 and 2023. Things changed last year, however, as Romano battled elbow inflammation and pitched to an ugly 6.59 ERA in the 15 appearances he did make. That led the Jays to non-tender Romano, and the Phillies eventually snapped him up on an $8.5MM guarantee. That deal was signed with the idea that Romano would join lefties Jose Alvarado and Matt Strahm in the late innings for the Phillies this year, but things haven’t gone to plan as he’s allowed a whopping 15 runs (14 earned) in just 9 1/3 innings of work over 11 appearances.
It’s hardly a shock that such an ugly performance has inspired the Phillies to begin surveying closing possibilities on the trade market. The club’s core is continuing to age and with players like Ranger Suarez, Kyle Schwarber, and J.T. Realmuto set to hit free agency this winter the team could look extremely different this time next year. If 2025 proves to be the Phillies’ last opportunity to win with their current core, it would make sense to be aggressive in supplementing it this summer even as they enter play today with a relatively pedestrian 14-13 record. Adding a solid back-end reliever like Helsley, as they did when they dealt for Estevez last year, could go a long way to helping Philadelphia gear up for a playoff run in what looks to be an extremely competitive National League this year.
As sensible as the addition of a player like Helsley may be, Nightengale is quick to note that the Phillies aren’t interested in trading their very best and most impactful prospects. Specifically Nightengale writes that both Andrew Painter and Aidan Miller won’t be included in any trade, and that’s hardly a surprise given that both are well-regarded pieces with high ceilings who are already in the upper levels of the minors. It would be a shock if either of them were traded this summer and it’s almost unfathomable that either could ever be considered in a deal for a rental relief arm, even one as electric as Helsley.
Loser gets Bednar
So we know that the “winner winner” gets a “chicken dinner,” but what does the “loser loser” get?
(besides Bednar)
I bet the Phillies are kicking themselves for not re-signing Hoffman. He’s been arguably the best reliever in baseball so far, and his contract was pretty reasonable.
“Kicking themselves”…Of course they are, but there’s no participation trophies, hindsight or do-overs in MLB.
If there were then every single GM in the game of baseball would be the greatest GM ever.
Wow, very insightful
Thanks grandpa
Except that’s not the contract he wanted and by time he reduced to current level because two teams backed out Phillies already spent all their money. It is unfortunate but try to be accurate if critical.
If the Phillies already spent their money instead of waiting until he signed they could be kicking themselves for that because thats a choice they made.
You have to think his performance in the playoffs had to play a big role in the Phillies not resigning him. Phillies have championship aspirations and he spit the bit in a huge way on the biggest stage against the Mets. Don’t think they trusted him in the long run.
It’s a domino right? Dombrowski has bad expensive deals with Walker, Turner, Realmuto at this stage and I’d argue Castellanos. The owner drew the line at long term deal until a few fall off the books. The worst ones are at least another year away.
I’m shocked!!! Wow!!! Blown out the Water!! This is fake news. Will never happen. Dumbrowski would have to part with actual prospects.
“Part with actual prospects”..The “Dom” has made a career out of acquiring excellent Major League baseball talent, while giving up LOTS and lots of maybes, wannabes, no talents, never weres and not even closes.
Has not done that in Philly
“Has not done that”…The “Dom” was building winning, contending baseball teams when you were still bangi*g cheerleaders.
What do you call the Phillies becoming automatic contenders and going to a World Series very early in the Dom’s tenure?
What’s that 3 or was it 4 different baseball teams he has built and taken to the World Series, winning at least twice?
Nonsense is your name
It does seem like clickbait given today is April 21, and the STL front office won’t just say but actually believe they’re in the hunt for the NLC. It’s gonna take a 10+ game losing streak to kill that buzz.
Phillies and Phillies fans are hating not having Hoffman. But, as been the case if guys dont choose Philies in December, the Phillies arent signing them.
Lots of teams are interested in other teams good players. Not sure why this is a story.
1) MLB team
2) Involves a trade
3) It’s a rumor
= MLBTradeRumors
The Cardinals aren’t shopping Helsley. It’s April. It’s not really a rumor just nonsense.
They didn’t say they were shopping. It said diamondbacks and Phillies are interested.
Im not sure who’s had a more nightmarish start
Devin or romano
Devin for sure. Romano was coming off an injury marred season so there were no guarantees, and I didn’t think the Phillies were planning on him being the full time closer.
Yankees, on the other hand, needed Devin to be better because he was their closer. There was more riding on him.
@chandlerbing…”nightmarish start”…The Brewers always seem to know exactly when is the best time to move a pitcher.
If I’m an opposing team, I’m not sure I’d even bother trying to acquire one of their pitchers.
I respect brewers. Squeeze out the most they can from every player & prospect then ship em out… altho with devin it was pretty ez. After pete’s bomb devin was cooked and milwaukee knew it
I like the Arizona system better than Philly’s. I really like Drey Jameson.
I expect an IL stint or even a DFA of Romano is upcoming. They didn’t even trust him to protect a 10-2 lead yesterday with two days of rest. Alvarado and Strahm are going to be burned out by the All-Star break if they aren’t joined by one or more effective righthanders.
There are many different considerations that go into making a significant trade. Foremost are the needs of both teams and the reasons they want to trade a specific player(s) and acquire specific player(s). Second is the equity of the trade. Finally, there are money matters, such as how does the trade positively or negatively impact the financial condition of both teams, how many years do each player have remaining on their existing contracts, and what is the possibility each team will be able to extend their newly acquired players. Taking this into consideration, a trade that would benefit both teams would be the Cards trading third baseman Nolan Arenado and closer Ryan Helsley to the Phils for DH Kyle Schwarber, starter Taijuan Walker, and a utility infielder like Otto Kemp or Buddy Kennedy. Both teams would acquire necessary players, improve their financial conditions, and have one player (Helsley and Schwarber) who become free agents after this season. The Phils desperately need a consistent closer and offensive help if they are to make it to the playoffs this year. The Cards, who are not expected to be a playoff team in 2025, need to take Arenado’s huge contract off the books and acquire a starter and infield reinforcement. For the Phils, Arenado, Bohm and Harper could become a tandem with the three taking turns at 1B and DH and with Arenado and Bohm sharing time at 3B. Arenado would more than offset the loss of Schwarber’s bat, as would the Phils ability to make their DH position one by committee in which the likes of Realmuto, Castellanos, Sosa and Turner would be able to get periodic breaks from defensive duties and chance to still hit in games. Helsley would be an immediate cure for their bullpen’s current disarray. For the Cards, a huge financial burden would be removed while a valuable starter and young infielder with potential would be added. One alternate possibility for a trade between these two teams would be substituting Ranger Suarez for Taijuan Walker in the trade. However, Suarez becomes a free agent after this year, so Walker might be a more prudent choice for the Cards to acquire. For the Phils, adding Arenado and Helsley and promoting Justin Crawford to platoon in centerfield with Johann Rojas would significantly enhance their chances to make it to the playoffs, and possibly even world series this season. For the Cards, acquiring Schwarber for the remainder of 2025 and possibly beyond, would take the offensive sting out of losing Arenado’s bat, and acquiring Walker and a young infielder would help the Cards as they start rebuilding.
“There are many different considerations”…Paragraphs are not really that expensive nowadays.
fan, Paragraphs waste too much space!
We letting bots post now?
Zero chance the Phillies trade Schwarber unless they fall completely out of the race. Every year Schwarber has 100 runs scored, 40 home runs, 100 RBI, and 100 walks. With Kyle doing that well, I really don’t understand this persistent idea that the Phillies would be better off rotating other players into the DH spot.
phillie, Schwarber is off to the best start of his career. However, the past being prologue, he will probably become inconsistent as the season progresses and not be as attractive a trade chip at the trade deadline as he is right now. What’s more, the Phils and Schwarber could not come to a contractual agreement to extend during the past offseason. If the Phils don’t win the world series, Schwarber will become a free agent and other teams will probably offer him more money than the Phils are willing to pay. Despite all the loyalty rhetoric, Schwarber will probably follow the money. If the Phils trade him now, they could have a productive Arenado, and possibly Helsley, for three seasons. If they wait until the trade deadline, they may not get as much back for him as they can right now, and if they wait until the end of the season, they may not get anything back for him at all. What too many readers fail to realize is the Cards are not just going to just give a future Hall of Famer and one of the best closers in baseball away for nothing. They’ll expect something in return. Schwarber, Walker and an infielder would be a fair return.
The Phillies live and die by the long ball and they are 13th in the National League in home runs right now. Schwarber may be the one player they can least afford to lose. As long as they’re still contending despite their problems, they cannot afford to make the 2025 lineup worse. I think their window of contention may be over after this year anyway, but it is way too early to give up on 2025.
phillie, As things stand, the Phils may not even get a wild card this season. So, they have to make a few major changes. None of these changes are likely to be popular. It’s true that Schwarber is one of the Phils’ top home run hitters but, in case you haven’t noticed, he hasn’t hit one in the past few series. Also, it wasn’t too long ago that Schwarber was hitting well over .300. He’s currently hitting .242 with 28 strikeouts and 51 runners left on base. The important point to remember is that Schwarber has always been a highly inconsistent hitter and not always the best guy to have at the plate in a clutch situation. The fact that he can’t play any defensive position doesn’t help matters either. So, I maintain the Phils are going nowhere with their current lineup, but could become a playoff team by trading one home run hitter – Schwarber, for another – Arenado. Adding Helsley and Walker to the trade would greatly facilitate the Phils’ pennant aspirations.
Ditto for Suarez, especially with Nola doing poorly and Sanchez possibly injured. I don’t think STL will be satisfied with Philly’s leftovers and dregs. Replace Schwarber with Bohm, and add Crawford along with a couple of lottery tickets and you might have a deal.
Thank you, ChatGPT.
No human wrote a single syllable of “onthebucks” post.
Crawford is not ready…cannot help (as a player) this year.
Schwarber is NOT being traded.
Prospects “MAY” be dealt.
28 other teams are too, I’m sure.
Cleveland should get this guy. Screw it, it would be the nastiest bullpen of all time (or close to it)
Bet if someone takes Arenado they get Helsley for a cheaper rate.
Cardinals acquire:
Alec Bohm 3B
Taijuan Walker SP
Johan Rojas CF
Mick Abel (#8)
Phillies acquire:
Nolan Arenado 3B
Ryan Helsley RHP
Steven Matz LHP
Jordan Walker OF
Taijuan Walker has to be included to offset some of Matz and Arenado salary, and has been pretty good. Do the Cardinals accept this deal, or should I go to Hellsley?
Phillies lineup:
1. B. Stott 2B
2. T. Turner SS
3. B. Harper 1B
4. K. Schwarber DH
5. N. Arenado 3B
6. N. Castellanos RF
7. M. Kepler LF
8. JT Realmuto C
9. J. Crawford CF
Bench:
E. Sosa INF
B. Marsh OF
J. Walker OF
R. Marchan C
Rotation:
1. Z. Wheeler
2. J. Luzardo
3. A. Nola
4. C. Sanchez
5. Ranger
6. A. Painter (AAA when needed)
Bullpen:
R. Helsley CL
J. Alavardo LHSU
M. Strahm LHSU
O. Kirkering RHSU
J. Romano RHSU
T. Banks MR
S. Matz MR
J. Ross LR
Cardinals won’t move Walker and have a Tijuan Walker. He goes by Miles Mikolas.
ac, The Phils will not trade Bohm because he was the 2024 NL starting all star at 3B, as well as the equivalent of Arenado and Bregman statistically, is starting to show signs of returning to his 2024 form, and is making less than $8 million a year, compared to the $35 million Arenado and Bregman are making. Also, the Phils will not trade Rojas who is turning the corner offensively while he continues to be one of baseball’s top base stealers and defensive centerfielders. When Crawford is promoted, he and Rojas will create one of the top platoons in baseball. You’re right that Walker must be included in the trade for financial reasons and contract length. Also, I would have no problem including Abel in a trade for the right return. The Phils would profit if the Cards included Matz in the deal, but the crowded Phils outfield probably has no room for Jordan Walker. All in all, a nice post and closer to what the Phils need to do to salvage their 2025 season. Substitute Schwarber for Bohm in the trade, and you may be on to something. Congrats.
Cards say no. Arenado didn’t move in the winter because they weren’t willing to eat salary this off-season. Why would they do that now?
Additionally, there’s no way they tack on Matz who costs less and is a FA after this year for Tai Walker who also has an additional year to pay out.
They wouldn’t want Bohm either, as part of the reason to move Arenado is to give Walker his best chance at succeeding with a position he actually knows how to play.
lol why would the cardinals take on all of your garbage and give up 3 valuable trade assets for them? Every player you are trying to trade off to the cardinals has negative trade value and is useless, except Abel who has a tiny bit of trade value. Just because these trade work in a video game doesn’t mean they work in real life little buddy.
Cardinals aren’t going to trade Walker. He’s still young. He’ll be the next “one that got away” if they do. People give up on young players too quick.
And Steven Matz has no trade value.
Alvarado and Romano should be DFa’d. Move Bohm and that other clown Marsh out of there too. Maybe the Cardinals will pull the trigger on those losers
lol
Maybe Topper can talk Mariano Rivera out of retirement. I would bet real money he can still close.
Cards don’t need to trade Arenado so won’t attach him to a Helsley trade. Cards are looking for prospects back. Cards can find plenty of teams ready to offer them for Helsley.
Helsley would be an excellent addition…
Offer Crismatt or Abel and Kemp.