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Cardinals Reluctant To Make Long-Term Commitments This Winter

By Nick Deeds | January 26, 2025 at 12:54pm CDT

The Cardinals have been among the league’s quietest teams this winter as they’ve to this point failed in their attempts to trade third baseman Nolan Arenado despite both sides preferring he play elsewhere in 2025. That difficulty in trading Arenado won’t force other cost-cutting moves according to club brass, but it does seem to have forced them to take a passive approach to the offseason with limited budget space available until and unless Arenado or another significant salary is traded. Recent comments from president of baseball operations John Mozeliak, as reported by Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, have further illuminated the club’s goals this winter.

During last weekend’s Winter Warmup fan event, Mozeliak told reporters that his goal for the winter has been to create a “clean slate” for incoming president of baseball operations Chaim Bloom, who will replace him at the head of baseball operations when Mozeliak’s contract expires after the 2025 season. That desire to offer Bloom maximum flexibility as he takes over baseball operations has seemingly informed the club’s attempts to move Arenado. As Goold notes, Arenado is one of just three players who have a guaranteed contract in place beyond the 2025 season. The other two veterans, slugger Willson Contreras and right-hander Sonny Gray, both declined to waive their no-trade clauses earlier this winter and plan to stick in St. Louis going forward.

Aside from attempting to shed long-term commitments where possible, Goold adds that the Cardinals appear similarly reluctant to make new ones this winter. While the club is reportedly in the market for a late-inning reliever to replace Andrew Kittredge, it appears they club is hoping to avoid a longer-term agreement with a bullpen arm. That shouldn’t be too much of an obstacle given that the majority of the winter’s top relievers are already off the market and most veteran leverage relievers still available such as David Robertson, Kenley Jansen, and Tommy Kahnle are at an age where the vast majority of players are already limited to one-year offers on the open market. Filling the club’s reported desire for a right-handed bench bat who can complement a heavily left-handed lineup should be similarly easy to do on a one-year deal, as multi-year deals for projected bench players are few and far between.

Given the nature of the club’s external needs this winter, Mozeliak’s preference to avoid longer-term commitments this offseason appears likely to have more of an impact on the club’s approach to extensions. Closer Ryan Helsley, a free agent after the 2025 season, spoke candidly last weekend about the lack of extension talks between his camp and the Cardinals to this point. Meanwhile, reporting earlier this month suggested that the Cardinals were discussing a multi-year extension with utility man Brendan Donovan but no deal ultimately came together. Goold sheds some light on that situation, writing that the Cardinals have previously expressed interest in a multi-year deal with Donovan but did not “aggressively pursue” long-term deals with either him or any of the club’s other arbitration-eligible players this winter.

With one president of baseball operations finishing out the final year of his contract and his successor already both in the organization and announced as the future head of baseball ops, the Cardinals find themselves in an unusual position when it comes to committing to longer-term contracts even in the case of their own players. When asked about the possibility of extensions this offseason, Mozeliak indicated to Goold that the club remains open to conversation this spring but that Bloom would be involved in any negotiations given that he would be the person inheriting those longer-term commitments. Given that two top decision-makers would be involved in any negotiations this winter, it’s easy to imagine both sides preferring to table any extension talks until next year for players under team control beyond the 2025 season. At that point, Bloom will be fully in charge of baseball operations and have another year of direct evaluation under his belt with which he can make decisions.

Speculatively speaking, the Cardinals’ desire to provide Bloom with as much flexibility as possible when he takes over baseball operations after the 2025 season may also influence their decision to resist the idea of trading players who aren’t veterans on long-term, guaranteed deals. By keeping players with a handful of years of team control remaining like Donovan and Lars Nootbaar in the fold for 2025, Mozeliak offers Bloom the opportunity to decide whether or not the club should entertain an extension or trade for those players next winter.

Even rebuffing interest from rival clubs in players like Helsley and Erick Fedde could be a decision made in order to maximize flexibility when Bloom takes over, offering him the opportunity to extend the Qualifying Offer to either player if they turn in a sufficiently strong performance in 2025. MLBTR’s Anthony Franco discussed the Cardinals’ “half-measure” offseason in an exclusive article for Trade Rumors Front Office subscribers earlier this month, and the club’s apparent goal of maximizing the options at Bloom’s disposal when he takes over next winter could be an explanation for their apparent lack of urgency.

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  1. deeds

    3 months ago

    Not just this winter! Dewitt is too busy counting his money.

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    • thebirds

      3 months ago

      I thought for a second they did something. Whew, thank got I was wrong. Let’s continue to keep this thing cheap and confusing.

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      • 17dizzy

        3 months ago

        Cardinals Fans will be so glad when John Mozeliak is gone!!!
        Why have the DeWitts set on their rears and allowed one man — Mozeliak— single handedly tear down the Historic Cardinals franchise over the past 5-8 years is beyond belief.

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      3 months ago

      Cardinals are a rebuild more than the current FEMA.

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      • padrepapi

        3 months ago

        Crazy they have only had 1 losing season in the past 17 seasons. This was the first season they didn’t draw 3m+ fans aside from the Pandemic seasons.

        The rest of the Central should be taking advantage of this time while the Cards are not so strong cause I imagine it won’t be long until they are back to being one of the top teams.

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      • excusemeflo

        3 months ago

        They’re too proud to admit it’s a rebuild. For them it’s just a “retooling”.

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        • Major League Baseball Fan

          3 months ago

          You are the greatest poster in mlbtr history.

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        • PITA

          3 months ago

          What names were you using when you proved it numerous times, dude, pinkiepink, KOCITA, BITA, blackpinkinthearea, JoelP, etc?

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        • PITA

          3 months ago

          You’re the one changing names constantly, brotato.

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        • PITA

          3 months ago

          Right….that’s why it says “Reply to pinkiepink” instead of “Reply to KOCITA”. You’re a hoot and a half. Bless your heart. Or hearts. One for each of “you”. 🙂

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        • paulk-2

          3 months ago

          Good thing that some of us with common sense know that wanting to trade all your high-priced talent means rebuild.

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    • 17dizzy

      3 months ago

      Not just DeWitt Jr. ……. DeWitt III is worse!!
      Check out the downfall of the Cardinals Franchise.
      The gradual downfall of the Cards has gone hand and hand with the gradual increase in responsibility turned over by DeWitt Jr. to his son DeWitt III.
      Coincidence? Many who are associated with him don’t think so.

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  2. mad1

    3 months ago

    Cards joining the rest of the NL central teams. Cheap Cheap Cheap

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    • Kyle 12

      3 months ago

      NL & AL* Central clubs. This league is broken.

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      • laynestaley2002

        3 months ago

        It sure seems to get that way, more and more every year.

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        • Major League Baseball Fan

          3 months ago

          Cardinals are Down In A Hole, Layne.

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        • n2thecards

          3 months ago

          Losing their soul

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        • LaFleur

          3 months ago

          They’d like to fly
          But their wings
          have been so denied

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    • Lanidrac

      3 months ago

      They’re not cheap. They’re just reallocating their money. Overhauling player development costs quite a bundle.

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      • websoulsurfer

        3 months ago

        The entire player development system for the Braves cost $14 million. Players, facilities, benefits, coaches, scouts, everything outside of the MLB payroll. That includes salaries for a few players on the 40-man but not the 26-man rosters.

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        • websoulsurfer

          3 months ago

          I should have said MLB payroll, facilities, and staff.

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  3. lwingo44

    3 months ago

    One must wonder if the Cardinals are going to be offered For Sale soon?

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    • rct

      3 months ago

      If that were the case, one would think they will wait until they get a great team together. Might take a few years to get the major contracts to end and build up a solid young core. They’re not far off, especially in the NL Central.

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      • YankeesBleacherCreature

        3 months ago

        I don’t share your same optimism with the Cards. When your entire offseason revolves around trading Arenado who is amenable yet has his own conditions, you need to pull the trigger with plan B or C if plan A doesn’t work out. Some short-sightedness, complacency, and incompetency are at play here.

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    • 17dizzy

      3 months ago

      rct & lwingo——-
      The hand writing is on the wall!!!
      It’s obvious “Why” the Cardinals owners are throwing up Their hands and quitting ——-

      The DeWitt’s can’t afford the price of the superstar players anymore, but then again, few can afford them.

      However —- by the Cardinals Front Office and current owners actions of attempting to dump all of their high salary and long term contracted players…. It’s obvious that the Cardinals owners can’t even afford the Star and semi-star players they currently have on the team. They’ll be next to go.

      Why else would any owners offer to pay another team Multimillions of dollars just to take on their teams Star players existing contract??

      Although the Cardinals are telling the press their stars are aging and that’s why they’re giving up on them —- that is just a cover up excuse!!
      The answer is —— they can’t afford him.

      It was easy to dump Goldschmidt because he hit free agency. Their story is —- once they can dump Arenado —- it Will free up salaries for the others. Not so.

      In fact —- after Arenado is gone —- you’ll see the owners getting rid of any players that have any value —- such as Donavan, Berkman, Gray, Helsley, etc., etc., etc. Besides Gray, those are their so called Future-stars.

      Instead of tearing the Cardinals team down to ribbons, the DeWitts need to quit playing games —- and sell the Cardinals to new owners who actually cares about the fabled Cardinals and their illustrious Franchise History.

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  4. highflyballintorightfield

    3 months ago

    The “clean slate” explanation is just dumb. Bloom is already in the organization and can make those decisions now. The real story has to be something else, lack of money, organizational disfunction, or paralyzing indecision. I suppose “and” works there, too…

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    • Payne Train

      3 months ago

      What he said …

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      • Ol’ Uncle Charlie

        3 months ago

        Bloom was brought in to assess/fix the long-term strategy, but Mo is taking all the hits this season. The team wants for Bloom to not have a crappy ’25 season blamed on him since the fan base is so tired of Mo’s BS.

        Yes, there’s absolutely organizational dysfunction and that’s why the club has re-invested in player development after letting it get so lax for so long. Cards let it get this bad in addition what seems like SOME bad luck.

        It’s bad that the organization let things get to this point, but at least it’s finally being acknowledged and there’s SOME KIND of plan in place to fix it.

        It’s not pretty, but there is a plan…and keeping Bloom in the background this year is a big part of that plan.

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        • 17dizzy

          3 months ago

          I hope you’re right about Bloom being in the background it hopes he can rebuild the Cardinals to contenders after 2025!!!

          However —- I’m hesitant to think that after looking at what happened to Boston while Bloom was there. ———-
          Didn’t they hit rock bottom before he left?????
          Or am I mistaken????

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    • Bud Selig Fan

      3 months ago

      Why Bloom isn’t already running the show is perplexing. Mozeliak is wasting a rebuild year.

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      • Major League Baseball Fan

        3 months ago

        Nah, it’s just that us normal posters can’t level up to your elite poster status. On behalf of the rest of us, thanks for providing clarity and the commensurate insults. Now, we can proceed.

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      • Lanidrac

        3 months ago

        It’s not a rebuild, and either way, why should the new guy be saddled with the transition year? Bloom gets to start when they’re seriously ready to compete again next year.

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        • 17dizzy

          3 months ago

          Oh —— that clears it up!!!

          So Bloom gets to start when the Owners are seriously ready to compete again???

          Now you do realize that the current Majority Owners are the DeWitts.

          They can’t compete with the top MLB Owners for top quality players anymore.

          So the roaring 20’s of the 2000’s is out. We’ll see who owns them (The Cardinals) in the 30’s.

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    • Lanidrac

      3 months ago

      The real story is simply what they’ve said: They’re still trying to compete but needed to cut MLB player payroll as the money is reallocated to overhaul player development to improve the team’s long-term outlook.

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      • LaFleur

        3 months ago

        What you said is spot on, dead on, right on,

        Bloom has been tasked with over hauling a lacking player development department. The plan to cut payroll was to allocate funds to that for bloom before he takes over next year as Mozeliaks heir. Basically he’s rebuilding the farm system. Good seeds need equally good soil

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  5. Flyby

    3 months ago

    crazy thought … what if they consolidated say cincinatti and cleveland. or move one of them to a different market like nashville thats a growing market. Should bring the overall dollar up i would think if there is only one team for the state.

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    • It’s

      3 months ago

      I get where you are saying but to think that people will root for a team in a different city probably doesn’t work. Nashville, while it’s growing like crazy is still smaller than Cincinnati. No smaller market team will ever be able to compete against teams in markets 5x their size. This doesn’t end until their is a salary cap

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      • aLifetimeOfDefeats

        3 months ago

        Nashville has twice as many people as Cincinnati. Nashville (city not metro) is larger than Atlanta (city not metro).

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        • Lanidrac

          3 months ago

          Why does this matter when it’s the metro area that counts for sports franchises?

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        • Flyby

          3 months ago

          There is no metro area of “tampa bay”. The metro area is tampa so that is not a hard rule. Same with the Texas, Minnesota, etc etc. They could be called the Tennessee Rock n Rollers and its on the edges of both atlanta and st louis so might be easier since its not in direct competition like the nationals and orioles. It has also been discussed in the past for potential expansions.

          The fact is that everyone is complaining neither team is spending or has the revenue to do so. With one team for the area there is more revenue and do i think every guardian/reds fan will embrace the other team? No but if you increase it by 30% (reasonable increase) on one team that gives them more revenue and ability to get better players.

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        • Lanidrac

          3 months ago

          I was referring to how aLifetimeOfDefeats was. comparing city populations instead of metro area populations.

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        • Tigers3232

          3 months ago

          @Flyby The metropolitan area of Tampa Bay is commonly referred to as Tampa Bay Area. It also includes cities such as Clearwater and St. Petersburg.

          Braves have been the team for most southern fans for decades. If there is a trong demand for MLB Baseball in Nashville, most would likely already be fans of Braves. Just putting a team there does not automatically generate interest or any connection to fans. STL has a very rich history and has traditionally has done quite well drawing fans not particularly close to the center of their media market. Many of those fans have ties that goes back multiple generations. So they would be in immediate competition. Just creating a franchise does not magically create a bond or allegiance.

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        • aLifetimeOfDefeats

          3 months ago

          I live in Nashville. It’s a transplant city. You see Braves hats here, but you see just as many Cubs, Cardinals, and Dodgers hats too. Baseball would do just fine here.

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    • Major League Baseball Fan

      3 months ago

      Miami plus Tampa to Nashville. Yes.

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    • Bart Harley Jarvis

      3 months ago

      I believe you nailed it with the first word of most eloquent observation.

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    • Lanidrac

      3 months ago

      There’s no need for contraction when the leagues are actually well overdue for expansion. If Ohio was truly a concern, one of the two teams could simply relocate.

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  6. Robertowannabe1

    3 months ago

    Won’t matter if the get sold or not. A new owner will be operating with the same revenue streams and will not run the team any differently than it is now. No owner spends their own money player payroll or the daily operations of their organization. They spend what the team generates.

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    • Lonniemac

      3 months ago

      I am not buying that the Cardinals can’t operate at a higher payroll. Clear case of ownership knowing the fans will still show up so why spend the money if you don’t have to.

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      • Lanidrac

        3 months ago

        Then how are they supposed to overhaul player development?

        Are you forgetting that St. Louis is still only an average-at-best media market, and they recently lost some future revenue needing to renegotiate their broadcast deal? No matter how many fans they draw, they will never be able to spend on payroll at the same level as the largest markets.

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    • Lanidrac

      3 months ago

      …except Cohen.

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      • seamaholic 2

        3 months ago

        Maybe maybe not. I think he’s still making an annual profit. But if not he’s the only one.

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  7. CarverAndrews

    3 months ago

    Watching from afar, I remember all of the narratives about the Cardinals fan base as the best in the game over the years. Knowledgeable, patient, calm and always with a more relaxed approach to the game as they watched their consistently successful team compete from year to year. And I sincerely enjoyed being able to partake in a couple of games out there during some business travel over the years…a wonderful place to take in a game.

    Well, as we see the team go through a small dry spell that is not all that bad as compared to a number of other franchises in the game, that narrative has been blown to smithereens. ; )

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    • BigV

      3 months ago

      As Cardinals fan I agree. I’m tired of all the bitching the situation is not that bad.

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      • CarverAndrews

        3 months ago

        @bigV – To be fair, of course what we are going to see are the whiners on here and elsewhere during a downturn. This doesn’t mean that much of the fan base does not retain something of the flavor that I mentioned…some remaining semblance of the old baseball heaven atmosphere.

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    • mad1

      3 months ago

      A narrative championed by the locals over and over by dopes like costas and buck. Truth be told St. Louis just like the fanbase in every city

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      • gbs42

        3 months ago

        Few Cardinals fans actually call themselves the best fans in baseball.

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      • CarverAndrews

        3 months ago

        Partly true, mad1. The reality is that there are differences amongst the various fanbases around the country, but they are not so vastly different that anyone should get too far into concrete labels.

        The older, established teams from the Northeast tend to have deeper and more passionate fanbases than some other areas; the FLA franchises are both newer and are in markets that it will take another generation or two to establish themselves as so many residents came from elsewhere; the WC fans are a bit more laid-back and so on. But everything is only to a degree, as you are right…people are people. Every fanbase has a few too many aholes, just as most folks are rather cool and easygoing and only there for entertainment.

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        • stymeedone

          3 months ago

          FLA franchises have the problem that its the aging population moving to their market, with only some young families. It doesn’t build a base when that aging population doesn’t have a next generation coming behind them. Instead they get replaced by more transplants.

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        • Lanidrac

          3 months ago

          Plus, the people with the most money in Florida, the Snowbirds, don’t actually live there during most of baseball season.

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        • realist101

          3 months ago

          There are of course many retirees in Florida, but these narratives about the age of the population get overblown.

          The median age in the Tampa – St. Pete metro area is 42.3. It’s 42.0 for Miami. It’s 40.0 in St. Louis.

          houston.org/houston-data/median-age-metro-area

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        • Lanidrac

          3 months ago

          In this context, a difference of two or more is actually quite significant.

          St. Louis also doesn’t have so many transplants and no Snowbirds.

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    • BITA

      3 months ago

      What are you talking about????

      The narrative is his site is run by Cubs fans. There is no actual news or rumors to report here but they keep pumping these hit piece articles out time after time.

      It’s not that bad. The fans are not rioting in the streets. Most fans don’t really care if they trade Arenado or not. The people making a big deal about all this are biased Cubs fans trying to create the news instead of report it.

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      • CarverAndrews

        3 months ago

        @bita – Correction…YOUR narrative is to incessantly whine about your perverse and annoyingly repetitive statements that the site is basically a Trojan horse for the Cubs.

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        • BITA

          3 months ago

          This article has nothing new in it at all. Haven’t we beat this horse to death already?

          This guy is a Cubs fan. Look it up.

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        • gbs42

          3 months ago

          Carver,

          I think BITA is right. Tim Dierkes – a Cubs fan!!! – started this site nearly 20 years ago with the the purpose of writing hit pieces on the Cardinals.

          Everything he’s done since then – adding writers, adding other sports, creating the Front Office subscription, even making the site his full-time job – has simply been to enable these Cardinals hit pieces.

          It’s the only explanation.

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        • BITA

          3 months ago

          When the site first started it was almost all Cubs fan writers.

          Do you remember the Brian Roberts rumors? Do you?

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        • gbs42

          3 months ago

          I don’t remember the Brian Roberts rumors, nor do I care about what they posted 15-20 years ago.

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        • BITA

          3 months ago

          My point is they have been doing this since the sites inception. If you hadn’t been around that long then shut up and listen instead of telling me what you don’t know.

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        • CarverAndrews

          3 months ago

          @BITA – Please, for your own sake (and those of all of your alts), take your meds.

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        • BITA

          3 months ago

          Dude screw you. Don’t tell someone to take their meds this is 2025 that’s not cool anymore. You don’t say that.

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        • CarverAndrews

          3 months ago

          @bita – You know what else isn’t cool? Incessantly vomiting the same garbage all over the comments section, time and time again under various alt identities, no matter the subject matter at hand. You need help. .

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        • BITA

          3 months ago

          Various identities????

          I had to start a new account because some loser was trolling me and copying my name. Which he is doing again today in case you are wondering.

          All offsesson its garbage like this. This site should be ashamed.

          Its OK man. Keep posting here. The Fox News of baseball reporting eat it up.

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        • gbs42

          3 months ago

          BITA,

          Telling some to shut up isn’t cool no matter what year it is.

          I’ve been around several years, and I’ve never seen a pro-Cubs or anti-Cardinals bias.

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        • BITA

          3 months ago

          You have never seen a pro Cubs bias?

          Either you are blind, a Cubs fan or simply not telling the truth.

          Which is it?

          Every freaking offseason it’s article and article about how much the Cubs have to spend, always spun in the most positive light possible. They just said last week the Cubs have 40 million to spend. Just last week

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        • stymeedone

          3 months ago

          In some cases, its appropriate.

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        • gbs42

          3 months ago

          I was going to say BITA was playing the victim card, but then KOCITA actually declared themselves to be the victim.

          Calling yourself the victim because of a perceived bias on a baseball discussion site is odd, but you do you.

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        • BITA

          3 months ago

          The guy is a troll. He’s playing a part it’s an act. Figure it out chief.

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      • Champs64

        3 months ago

        Nick must not have had anything to write about today so he just changed the date on a previous article. They have beat this story like a gold mine mule.

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        • gbs42

          3 months ago

          KOCITA (aka pinkie pink),

          Who cares if he’s a Cubs fan. This isn’t a hit piece, it’s an accurate accounting of the Cardinals’ complete lack of any significant moves.

          I don’t know if the blame falls on ownership, Mo, Bloomington, or (most likely) a combo of all of them, but it’s been a very disappointing offseason for St. Louis and their fans.

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    • It’s

      3 months ago

      Card fans are great, not saying they are the best fans in baseball, but STL loves the cardinals. The frustration comes from years of the front office feeding the fans a stead line of BS. Loosing is one thing but one bad decision after another and speaking to the fans like they are dumb will anger your fan base. Running the same team out there year after year and expecting different results is stupid. Most fans are happy that the front office is finally letting the young guys play.

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      • BITA

        3 months ago

        You can’t win every year. Last year the team was a playoff contender in July. It wasn’t a terrible year. All this stuff is being overblown by this site specifically.

        Attendance is down and the tv deal is jacked. That’s why money is tight. A lot of other teams are in the same boat it’s not unique.

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    • paulk-2

      3 months ago

      Cardinal Nation has been calm. This frustration has been mounting over the past 3 years as the team has declined. Last year the fans finally showed that frustration and ownership didn’t appreciate that.

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  8. John Dan

    3 months ago

    there is no competitive balance at all in the mlb anymore and it is bleeding fans. My ( now adult) children have completely lost intetest. I agree with above comment that the league is broken. Broken badly.
    As a fan ( for over 45 years ) I am willing to endure a season or two of no mlb if that is what it takes to introduce a real salary cap. The league is done without it.

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    • ReyDay

      3 months ago

      What’s the point of a salary cap if it doesn’t incentivize the bottom teams to spend ? Rather see a floor then a cap

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      • John Dan

        3 months ago

        perhaps a cap prevents a few teams from overspending and creates more balance? it sure seems to work that way in other pro sports

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        • ReyDay

          3 months ago

          Right but as you see with deferrals you can manipulate the cap so wouldn’t a floor be better ? Say it’s 240 cap the first luxury tier only 4 teams are above that threshold right now, you have 6 teams under the 100MM threshold at the moment.

          Reply
    • Brettlez

      3 months ago

      Not just salary cap, the owners need to open their books. They keep crying poor but I don’t believe it. Salary cap with a hard salary floor based upon revenue and expenses. Also needs to be more revenue sharing among big market teams.

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      • Robertowannabe1

        3 months ago

        I do not believe the other leagues, all have caps, open their books to the public.

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        • Lonniemac

          3 months ago

          True. But they do open their books to the players and players unions.

          Reply
        • Brettlez

          3 months ago

          They do open their books to NFLPA etc. I think a bigger issue than a salary cap is cheap a$$ owners trying to scrape every penny of profit and spending as little as possible.

          Reply
    • gbs42

      3 months ago

      John Dan,

      Has a cap improved competitive balance in other leagues?

      The NFL has had Patriots and Chiefs dynasties.

      The NBA had four straight years of Warriors-Cavs finals with the Warriors in the finals 5 of 7 seasons.

      I don’t pay much attention to the NHL, but a quick review of the last 10-12 finals shows a similar result as MLB.

      How exactly do salary caps help?

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      • John Dan

        3 months ago

        those teams won multiple championships because they had the best teams within the salary cap. They drafted well, were blessed with good health, excellent coaching , and of course great players of which some are the best to ever play their sport. They didn’t spend two or 3 times more than their opponents .. not that guarantees you win a thing. I am not here to argue but I think that an upper limit on team salary is good for pro baseball and fans too. If you disagree , well , that’s perfectly fine too. Enjoy

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        • John Dan

          3 months ago

          i was referring to the nfl teams btw

          Reply
    • Lanidrac

      3 months ago

      Besides, a floor is actually a realistic goal when dealing with the MLBPA, who will never allow a hard cap and are too powerful to have it forced on them. Remember what happened in 1994?

      Reply
  9. Niekro floater

    3 months ago

    Why is Mo even hanging round ? Cards ownership should have remedied that. If your moving past him as GM then do it, cut the leash n let new FO take over. He’s lame duck.

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    • Lanidrac

      3 months ago

      What’s wrong with having one of the better GMs in franchise history as a lame duck in his last year before retirement in a transitional year while the new guy gets used to the franchise?

      Reply
  10. seamaholic 2

    3 months ago

    Completely irrational for the Cards to spend money right now. No one in their division is getting better (arguably the Cubs a little). No one’s spending big money. They can’t keep up with the Mets and Dodgers anyway. Eh. There’s no moral obligation for them to spend their profits.

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    • spudchukar

      3 months ago

      Lotta ifs going into the ’25 season.

      Reply
    • gbs42

      3 months ago

      If no one else in the NL Central is getting better, that makes it the perfect time to try. Win the division, get a home playoff series, and take your chances in a series or two against the big guns.

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      • seamaholic 2

        3 months ago

        No need. If they stay healthy and have a couple breakouts they can win that division. Why spend money?

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        • Nuggethoarder

          3 months ago

          Correct. There is no reason to buy expensive, marginal wins through middle-tier free agents. Their strategy of supplementing with those contracts instead of letting kids play and spending on top tier FA has not worked very well. If the right long-term opportunity was there, sure. But it isn’t.

          Reply
  11. Nuke LaLoosh

    3 months ago

    If you guys don’t want to lock up Donovan, Mariners will take him.

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    • BigV

      3 months ago

      What are you giving up for him?

      Reply
      • Nuke LaLoosh

        3 months ago

        Woo. But would need an extra arm and/or bat coming back with Donovan.

        Reply
        • BITA

          3 months ago

          I believe the Mariners pitchers are overrated.

          Donovan is a very good fit for the Mariners I agree with that. But the Cardinals don’t want or need to trade him.

          Reply
        • sillywabbit

          3 months ago

          Castillo or no one. The young 4 are untouchable.

          Reply
        • BITA

          3 months ago

          Castillo for Arenado might make sense except Arenado isn’t going to accept a trade there.

          Reply
  12. This one belongs to the Reds

    3 months ago

    The RSN fiasco has a lot of teams taking a similar approach this offseason. But Robby the robot says there’s nothing wrong here, look over there.

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  13. Lou Sassoll

    3 months ago

    Its weird seeing STL kind of doing a reset/mini rebuild. I’m so use to them being perennial contenders. Still a great organization.

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  14. baseballfreak25

    3 months ago

    I’ve been following the Cardinals since the 70’s and I’ve never seen them in turmoil like they have been over the past decade or so. They have always been able to field a competitive team but over the past decade they haven’t had any success drafting players nor trading for quality veterans. Plus the dugout has been without a leader for at least that long. That puts the blame squarely on the GM that doesn’t have a clue about baseball programs, just programs on a computer that tells him exactly which moves to make in order to maximize the dollars in the owners’ pockets. Cashman is the exact same puppet. Until teams get these computer geeks out of the front office and install guys that have actually played baseball and understand the fundamental elements of building a championship caliber team, we are going to endure this garbage of piss poor teams feeding teams like the Dodgers that don’t mind spending money to put trophies in the case and asses in the seats. All these computer geeks drove the price of Juan Soto through the roof even though he’s a one dimensional player. All those walks and hits mean nothing if you have the speed of a turtle and you have negative defensive value no matter where a team may try to hide your nonexistent glove. If any player in the league should be getting $800mil contract it should be Mookie Betts. Potent bat, versatile defense, good speed, and a heart to win. Too bad he signed one of the most team friendly contracts in the majors while Ohtani and Soto are signing these outlandish contracts. He’ll, Ohtani gets hurt just running bases. Can’t wait to see the media tearing Ohtani and Soto apart in a year or two when these contracts look like the worst in history by far. Two DH’s making over $50mil a year and can’t play the field and their bats are mediocre at best.

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    • gbs42

      3 months ago

      baseball freak,

      The return button exists. Paragraphs are your friend.

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      • wifflemeister

        3 months ago

        I am partial to punctuation, but I see your point

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      • Major League Baseball Fan

        3 months ago

        Well, he is a freak, just not about paragraphs.

        Reply
    • stymeedone

      3 months ago

      Turmoil over over the past decade? While making the playoffs in 9 of the 10? I have a much different definition of turmoil. Go look at the last decade of Miami or the White Sox.

      Reply
  15. Citizen1

    3 months ago

    Cardinals in their lean years yet only Milwaukee has taken some advantage of competing in the division. They all seem to think don’t spend any money, cut payroll & just win 85 games and get to the playoffs. But brewers haven’t gotten far in the playoffs

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    • BITA

      3 months ago

      The Cubs spend money but they are so bad at it they end up with 83 win teams filled with overpaid players.

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      • Citizen1

        3 months ago

        Yeah the James talon contract is not good. Cubs don’t even spend wisely by taking underwater contracts for top prospects

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  16. dsett75

    3 months ago

    The headline misspelled “everyone”. I think Flaherty had a good point in the article before this. Everyone just wants a wild card and they think anything can happen in the playoffs. You’d think more than just the Dodgers and Yankees would be trying to be better than that.

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    • seamaholic 2

      3 months ago

      The Dodgers and Yankees aren’t “trying” so much as they have SO much revenue they can have $400m payrolls and STILL pull big annual profits. Weird coincidence that the teams “trying” are all in big markets with massive TV deals, huh?

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  17. BITA

    3 months ago

    Another hit piece article written by a Cubs fan with no new information whatsoever.

    Stay classy Chicago

    Reply
    • stymeedone

      3 months ago

      Cut paste repeat. You need new writers.

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  18. Jump 84

    3 months ago

    Sure.

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  19. terry g

    3 months ago

    I think the off season is going very well overall. Most of the top FA’s are signed with only a hand full not signed. That’s the usual. A lot of “you’re not doing what I want you to do” from some fans but you can’t please them all.

    The playoff’s are a crap shoot and always have been. The best teams don’t always win. In fact most of the time they don’t. which is why teams try to be “just” good enough to get into the playoffs..

    I consider my home team successful by a different gage then most, not by winning the WS or the off season. but being competitive and entertaining to watch.

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    • dsett75

      3 months ago

      That’s why only a few are spending. Everyone else is pocketing the money, thinking they have just as good a chance at a WC as anyone else

      Reply
      • stymeedone

        3 months ago

        Pocketing the money? Businesses do try to make a profit. A MLB franchise is not a charity. With the TV situation so unsure going into the future, with tariffs expected to raise price and reduce disposable income, having some cash available going forward is a wise thing.

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  20. mpwr2

    3 months ago

    Mozeliak just can’t decide on a strategy and stick to it. Typical Mo.

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    • Lanidrac

      3 months ago

      He has been sticking to a strategy: Try to still compete while somewhat cutting player payroll for a single transition year to overhaul player development.

      It’s just that other people are misreading the strategy or trying to insert their own intrigue that isn’t actually there.

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  21. Old York

    3 months ago

    The Cards look adrift at sea. Team already lost the season before spring training started.

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  22. el_duderino

    3 months ago

    re how they got here in the first place…the idea that they had to sacrifice minor league support staff in favor of major league player payroll is adorable, btw. they were short like 12 instructors in the minors. what’s that, 5-10mm/year maximum in instructor salaries? they were too cheap to change the oil lol? the excuse is laughable. they’ve kneecapped themselves by making the wrong calls on players – internal and external – too many times. looking forward to a new regime.

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  23. MPrck

    3 months ago

    That’s just being smart. The Leagues need more like that.

    Reply
  24. draker

    3 months ago

    I guess I don’t understand the logic of wasting a year in organizational stasis just to give the incoming guy a “clean slate”. It would be one thing if Mozeliak was actually cleaning house and taking responsibility for tough decisions but by simply doing nothing they’re just leaving the same mess for Bloom to clean up.

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    • BITA

      3 months ago

      What magical trade is out there to be made that hasn’t been made yet?

      What exactly are they supposed to be doing?

      You tell me

      Reply
      • Champs64

        3 months ago

        I understand why the Cardinals are changing their strategy for the future with more emphasis on player development because they will never be able to spend like the big spenders. But why keep MO for the reset year? I think DeWitt Jr does not want it to reflect badly on MO because he was also behind many of the decisions or lack of direction. I think it would have been the ideal time to let Bloom begin his term and appear at the Fan Fest. Keeping MO and not letting Bloom begin does not pass the smell test with fans.

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        • Lanidrac

          3 months ago

          What advantage is there in saddling the new guy to start out with the transition year? It would be like changing pitchers when you already plan to give the next batter an intentional walk (especially before IBBs were automatic).

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      • Major League Baseball Fan

        3 months ago

        Trade Helsley and Fedde for youth.

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        • Lanidrac

          3 months ago

          Not while they’re still trying to compete this year, just on a lower payroll. Check back again near the trade deadline.

          Reply
    • Lanidrac

      3 months ago

      They still needed to cut payroll this year whether Mozeliak or Bloom is in charge, yet they’re still trying to compete as well as they can with that lower payroll. Next year, they’ll bring payroll back up a degree and try to compete seriously again under Bloom. What’s so hard to understand?

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  25. Mo's Bowtie

    3 months ago

    Trying to parse Mo’s and the DeWitt’s vague explanations of their strategy is exhausting. Why are they waiting for the official arrival of Bloom? Maybe they should just ask Bloom what he thinks the best strategy is.

    They cannot make a definitive statement about any aspect of their plans.

    They should be trying to sell the youth movement to fans. For example, “We love our young core players. We have some great young pitchers coming along. We have revamped our minor league development program by hiring X, Y, and Z persons. We have updated the ‘Cardinal Way’ for a new era.”

    Instead, they are like “we’ll just keep the status quo until the Great and Powerful Bloom shows up.”

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    • Major League Baseball Fan

      3 months ago

      It’s imparsible!!!

      Reply
  26. SupremeZeus

    3 months ago

    MoTie still has influence and is the front facing voice of the organization. Malpractice. Ownership is trying (unsuccessfully so far) to clear the decks and clean up the balance sheet while attempting to soft-pedal what is occurring. All in an effort to limit the hit their pocketbook takes at the turnstiles in 2025. The Cardinals are punting on the 2025 season. See you in 2026.

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  27. sillywabbit

    3 months ago

    Effectively a lame duck season.

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  28. jmaa

    3 months ago

    Anybody following the cardinals closely could see this train wreck coming six years ago. It’s amazing on how much ineptness is accepted these days. Cards won’t contend again in my lifetime. Piss off Mozelak.

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  29. draker

    3 months ago

    Oh, Mozeliak has already made lots of magical trades – for the other team – Adolis Garcia, Randy Arozarena, Sandy Alcantara, Lane Thomas, Zach Gallen and Luke Weaver, to name a few. Unfortunately, he’s also saddled the team with a bunch of no-trade contracts for aging veterans, limiting the moves he has left to make, the exception being his inexplicable decision to hold onto Ryan Helsley. Firing Mozeliak and trading Helsley are two moves that anyone with a brain would have made by now.

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    • Major League Baseball Fan

      3 months ago

      Trading Fedde too.

      Reply
    • Lanidrac

      3 months ago

      Garcia wasn’t traded, and it’s a good thing he’s made LOTS MORE GOOD TRADES such as Lackey, Goldschmidt, Arenado, Gallegos, Romero, Lester, Happ, Quintana, Montgomery, Kittredge, Fedde…dating all the way back to David Fresse and everyone he got for Colby Rasmus.

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      • draker

        3 months ago

        Garcia was traded in 12/21/19 to Texas for cash considerations.

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  30. Four4fore

    3 months ago

    Fans will reluctant to show up at Busch Stadium if the front office is reluctant to commit. St. Louis’ relative success has fans spoiled.

    Reply
    • BITA

      3 months ago

      What teams fans show up when the team isn’t winning?

      The Cubs. That’s their brand. Who else?

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      • Major League Baseball Fan

        3 months ago

        Mariners

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    • Lanidrac

      3 months ago

      They are committed to overhauling player development for better long-term success. Most fans understand this.

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  31. wifflemeister

    3 months ago

    I am going to nominate Mo for a Grammy for the worst GM performance, Lifetime Achievement, with Distinction

    Reply
    • wifflemeister

      3 months ago

      No, Mo sings a sad song year after year about the futility of life, or even trying. Yes, it is most assuredly a cover of an old tune, but he does it sooo well and with such feeling.

      A Grammy it Is!

      Reply
  32. bucsfan0004

    3 months ago

    Its tough to rebuild or retool or whatever when the players who make large sums of money decline to waive their no-trade clauses. The players negotiated them in for a reason… maybe they simply like the city of St Louis and want to play there

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  33. Jiggs

    3 months ago

    Every team should be reluctant to sign high price FA’s.

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  34. Lanidrac

    3 months ago

    OR
    Trading players like Donovan and Nootbaar would just be stupid when they plan to compete seriously again in 2026 and 2027, anyway.

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  35. FrontOfficeStan

    3 months ago

    Another post with half the comments coming from black pink. Love that he’s getting trolled now. That’s probably the best way to deal with it tbh.

    Reply
  36. websoulsurfer

    3 months ago

    Bloom’s skill lies in rebuilding farm systems at the expense of the product on the field at the major league level. Get ready for a sustained string of last place or near last place finishes Cardinals fans.

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  37. Jiggs

    3 months ago

    Now who gets knocked off the roster?

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  38. dano62

    3 months ago

    Current mgmt is pathetic & taking a very dedicated fanbase for granted. If you want to do a rebuild, do it- ship out Hensley, Fedde, Contreras etc to get to bottom out. Bloom will likely be a major improvement but there’s no reason to delay things, keeping a mediocre manager running things.

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    • FrontOfficeStan

      3 months ago

      Contreras has a no trade clause that he is unwilling to waive. Agree on Helsley, and Fedde though.

      My theory is that they do not want to do a rebuild, they just want to not spend. It is easy to be pessimistic, but the reality is that the roster should still be competitive in the NL central. If they aren’t, then the blame goes on Mo and crew instead of Bloom. Mo has intended for himself to be the potential scapegoat if it goes wrong, giving Bloom an extra year essentially to correct things.

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  39. Card66

    3 months ago

    I have said it many times MO needs to go, its clear he has no intention of trying to improve the team, he has made no attempt to add anyone to the roster, not even some of the low cost options available. He needs to step down and let Bloom have his chance to make some changes. If it stays the way it is there will be more season ticket holders as I did become former ticket holders and become disgruntled fans.I also believe the DeWitts should sell the team to someone who wants to put a winner on the field , they have lined their pockets enough of what once was a very loyal fan base.

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  40. GM

    3 months ago

    Going to be reluctant myself, to pay for any tickets or drive to the stadium for the third year in a row.

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