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Poll: When Should The Marlins Trade Sandy Alcantara?

By Nick Deeds | April 17, 2025 at 11:59pm CDT

While this year’s trade deadline is still more than three months away, there’s perhaps no more obvious trade candidate in the game right now than Marlins ace Sandy Alcantara. The 2022 NL Cy Young award winner, Alcantara missed last season due to Tommy John surgery but is back in action with Miami this year. While he was out of commission, the Marlins tore the roster that made the playoffs in 2023 down to the studs, trading everyone from Luis Arraez and Jazz Chisholm Jr. to Trevor Rogers and Jesus Luzardo. With no end in sight to the rebuild and Alcantara controlled through the 2027 season, it would be a complete shock if the Marlins held onto him until his contract came to a close.

Whenever the Marlins trade Alcantara, he’s sure to be an extremely sought-after commodity. The right-hander’s 4.70 ERA in three starts this year is far from impressive, but his peripherals have looked better. He’s generating grounders at a phenomenal 65.1% clip with a 3.86 FIP and a 3.91 xERA despite his lackluster 19% strikeout rate and 12.7% walk rate. Those strikeout and walk figures will become concerning if they hold up over a larger sample size, but unless that comes to pass, it seems fair to expect the righty to return to his previous dominant form. Since his full-season debut in 2019, Alcantara has posted a 3.33 ERA with a 3.71 FIP, a 51% grounder rate, and a 21.4% strikeout rate against a 7.1% walk rate.

Those numbers don’t hold a candle to his Cy Young season, where he posted a 2.28 ERA and 2.80 FIP in a campaign that led MLB with 8.0 bWAR, but it’s still clearly front-of-the-rotation caliber production overall. Perhaps even more enticing to teams than Alcantara’s rate production is his status as a true workhorse in a game where arms capable of pitching deep into games on a regular basis have become vanishingly rare. Alcantara hasn’t posted less than 184 2/3 innings in any of his four full seasons, and his 858 1/3 innings of work from 2019 to 2023 were second only to Gerrit Cole. That sort of volume would have value even if Alcantara was a league-average pitcher, given the increasing difficulty with which teams are forced to piece together their rotations.

He’s also appealing from a financial point of view. He is making $17MM this year and next year, less than half of what some other ace pitchers get. Then there’s a $2MM buyout on a $21MM club option for 2027.

Given his ace-level upside, workhorse reputation, years of control, and affordable contract, Alcantara’s status as one of the most valuable trade chips in the sport is unlikely to change. That gives the Marlins the ability to stay flexible with their plans regarding the prized righty. Reporters Will Sammon of The Athletic and Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald have suggested that the Marlins have not yet decided if they’ll trade Alcantara at all this season. Alcantara himself tells Jackson that he wants to stay in Miami but is aware that he has no say in the matter. “I’m [just] a player,” he said. “If they want to trade me for a bag, they can trade me.” While the righty eventually getting moved appears to be something of a fait accompli, the Fish would still have two full seasons of team control to market if they opted to move him this offseason instead.

Of course, teams will likely be willing to pay a higher premium for Alcantara at the deadline, when they’d have him available for three pennant races and he wouldn’t be competing with a free agent market rich in rotation talent like Dylan Cease, Zac Gallen, and Framber Valdez. Unless the 8-10 Marlins are able to make a surprise surge into contention for an NL Wild Card spot this summer or Alcantara’s performance declines enough that lucrative trade offers start to dry up, it’s hard to see the club getting more value out of their star by waiting for the offseason. With that said, another year of information regarding their prospects and young players could allow them to make more informed decisions about which areas of the roster to target improvements for in the return package.

Could the Marlins benefit from moving Alcantara even earlier, as they did with Arraez last May? Such a decision wouldn’t give Alcantara much of an opportunity to prove he’s healthy and back to his usual form, but the extra few months of starts could be very attractive to clubs like the Yankees, Cubs, and Padres that are dealing with injury woes in their rotation already. What’s more, it’s not impossible to imagine a team like the Astros (Valdez), Twins (Pablo Lopez), or Royals (Seth Lugo) that is currently attempting to compete winding up on the outside of the playoff picture come July and marketing their own top starters. That would give potential suitors for Alcantara alternative options they surely wouldn’t have available to them this early in the calendar.

When do MLBTR readers think the Marlins should start trying to trade Alcantara? Would jumping the market and opening up the bidding now allow them to maximize their asset, should they wait to see if Alcantara can re-establish himself more before putting him on the market this summer, or could waiting even longer to deal him this offseason be the best course to take? Have your say in the poll below:

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  1. Gwynning

    2 months ago

    Now. Get him, Preller!

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    • Longtimecoming

      2 months ago

      I’d second this suggestion. Rotation is looking good (hopefully, Yu returns in a month and is still like 2024), but not sure how long you depend on Hart and Vasquez and not much at all behind them right now!

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    • SODOMOJO

      2 months ago

      Someone get AJ a fresh line of the good stuff

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    • straightuphonestguy

      2 months ago

      It’d be Salas and De Vries +. Alcantara is a stud, but rotation should be okay this season even if Darvish doesn’t make it back. I’d be okay trading for him this winter if the Padres don’t resign King.

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      • Gwynning

        2 months ago

        I’d balk at that price. Maybe he’s cheaper to obtain this Offseason, for sure. Hope King extends, 5Y/$120MM?

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        • Longtimecoming

          2 months ago

          G – I suggested 5/130 on King on another post. Then the FA post popped up with some data suggesting that might be light. Let’s say 6/150 ish. The extra year just lowers AAV. You are paying for the first 5. Whatever happens in 6 is not a big deal.

          I would not go Salas and DeVries but pretty much the rest of the top 30 might be required!

          I think King extension is my #1 priority. Hosmer / Cease and King salaries in 2025 all rolled together can make it work in 2026. Joe takes Dylan’s spot.

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        • straightuphonestguy

          2 months ago

          @Gwynning & Longtimecoming
          I think somewhere between 5/120 and 6/150 will get it done, will have to see what his market looks like and how aggressive teams are with the looming work stoppage.

          Padres issue right now is they cleared out a lot of (IMO) marginal prospect talent in Arraez, Adam, and Scott trades last year alongside Merrill’s graduation. The farm is not awful, but most upside talent is at the lower levels. They just don’t have a lot of talent to offer that’s not far away. Maybe you could get away with just one of Salas or De Vries headlining, but it’d require the Marlins to be exceptionally high on some secondary/tertiary pieces. Frankly, I don’t see the need in another starter until the fall.. if Darvish comes back and they can extend King, that’s 4 playoff-caliber starters thru 2026.

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      • Baseballisthebest

        2 months ago

        He has a 4.70 ERA and is walking players at twice his career averages. His SO% is way down from his 2022 peak. They are not going to get Ace return for him.

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        • straightuphonestguy

          2 months ago

          @Baseballisthebest
          He’s coming off TJ, that’s to be expected. Velocity is right where it left off. No one is getting 3 seasons of workhorse production @ ~55M for anything less than a haul. He’s AVERAGED 200 IP his last 4 162-game seasons, the man is a modern-day miracle.

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        • Baseballisthebest

          2 months ago

          He is coming off TJ and missed time to injuries in 2018, 2020, and 2023 so he is not a workhorse. He doesn’t have 4 full seasons. In 2023 he only made 28 starts before the injury.

          His 4.19 ERA with below average SO% in 2023 before the TJ and 2025 after the TJ points to #4 starter. He has just not shown he is that good.

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        • rhandome

          2 months ago

          If Alcantara sucks so bad, I assume you don’t even want your team to trade for him, right?

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        • straightuphonestguy

          2 months ago

          He was a rookie in 2018 and threw almost 30 more innings than 2017. He was 2nd in IP behind Cole from 2019-2023. He’s even 26th in IP from 2021-2024 without a single out last year. We disagree on the definition of a workhorse.

          As for his performance, he has a 3.34 career ERA over 916 IP. He vastly outperforms his SIERA (almost by a whole run), but partially that’s due to his low Ks (which allows him to pitch deeper into games). His situation is similar to Cease coming off 2023 with the added wrinkle of TJ: career year into a down season. Would you have called Cease a #4 coming off his 2023?

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        • Pads Fans

          2 months ago

          You just said the major reason not to acquire him. ERA is not as predictive of future performance as SIERA is. This season his SIERA is 4.24. In 2023 his SIERA was 4.24. So what should you expect as a ceiling going forward? Something close to 4.24.

          The Padres acquired Cease for far less than anyone predicted precisely because of his 2023 season. Alcantara will be no different except he will cost the acquiring team much less than Cease because not only did he have a mediocre season prior to surgery, he also HAD TJ surgery and is not performing well now.

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        • straightuphonestguy

          2 months ago

          Some guys are perpetual SIERA/xFIP underperformers because neither of those accounts for the quality of contact. Matt Cain’s career ERA was a half-run lower than his SIERA and xFIP, for example. Once the sample is large enough, you are what your stats say you are, and I would expect Alcantara’s 2025 ERA to end up closer to his career ERA than his career SIERA/xFIP marks.

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        • roob

          2 months ago

          Guess what? They’re going to get Ace return for him. Because, he’s an ace.

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        • robw5555

          2 months ago

          Look around the league right now. If you think he is a #4 starter, you are either fooling yourself or unaware. Lets look at Carlon Rodon 1-3 5.48. He is now I believe #1 with the Yankees. He was #2. He is 20-20 since joining the Yankees. Whats the cost for his blended ERA over 4.50. Cost 27 a yr to to 2028. How is that going to play out? Snell is pulling in 31 a yr. One yr in the past 7 yrd wins at double digits. Always hurt. He may only toss sub 150 innings. Maybe less. Wake UP!

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        • robw5555

          2 months ago

          Put him on a team link the Yankees and the guy is a big winner. I love the stat heads you come up with all these fomulas and such. The facts are these days pitchers ats 6 inning men. This is a guy that typically that can go 7-8 innings. Tossing a few less strikeouts works out fine to get more innings. These days teams are usuing 6 guys in a 9 inning game. Many pitchers are 5 inning men. Even a guy averaging 6-7 innings these days is not that common.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 months ago

          straight – We have no idea how long it will take for Sandy to return to pre-TJS form. If it takes him all season, teams wouldn’t want to give up a huge haul for just 2 more years of his services.

          For example Buehler returned from TJS May 6th and he is still pitching like crap a year later.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          I assume you don’t even want your team to trade for him
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          As a RS fan, I’d love to have him. But I wouldn’t pay for him like he was an ace.

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        • straightuphonestguy

          2 months ago

          @Fever Pitch Guy

          Buehler was never a CY winner, and his velocity is down almost 3 MPH from his peak. I get your point, though. All the more reason for the Marlins to hold Alcantara to the deadline unless they’re blown away by an offer.

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        • NYCityRiddler

          2 months ago

          He’s an overrated, over hyped hack. Next! Ahahahahaha

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        • outinleftfield

          2 months ago

          An Ace? In what league? He was only middle of the pack when he got hurt with a 4.14 ERA and 4.03 FIP and now he has pitched like a back of the rotation starter since coming back. Maybe if the Marlins hold him until the offseason and he can show he is actually at least back to being #3 starter quality by then, but that just hasn’t happened yet.

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        • outinleftfield

          2 months ago

          Rodon had a 2.88 ERA prior to signing for big bucks, so you are comparing apples to oranges.

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        • Pads Fans

          2 months ago

          SIERA is the best predictive pitching stat for a reason. Because the exceptions to the rule are few and far between. Right now there is one active player that used to have a low ERA despite his high SIERA. He hasn’t been able to in the last 2 seasons he has pitched in 2023 and 2025. He got absolutely destroyed today for the 2nd outing in a row.

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        • Pads Fans

          2 months ago

          Players don’t get a return based on what they do AFTER they are traded. They get a return based on what they have done BEFORE they are traded.

          Rodon had consecutive seasons with an ERA in the 2’s.
          Snell had a 3.12 ERA in 2024
          Alcantara had a 4.14 ERA in 2023, then got hurt and had TJ, and now has a 7.27 ERA after today’s game.

          Polish up your crystal ball son.

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        • Pads Fans

          2 months ago

          In his last two games including today Alcantara’s velocity is down 2+ MPH from his peak. He used to sit 98+ and now he only hit 98 twice today with his average at 96.5.

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        • straightuphonestguy

          2 months ago

          Haven’t seen anything from today’s game, but you’re incorrect about his previous game (4/12 against Nats) according to Statcast: his average fastball velocity was 97.6. His average fastball velocity from 2021-2023 was 98.0. Before today’s game, his average fastball velocity in 2025 was 97.4.

          I’m not going to judge a pitcher in his physical prime too harshly over a 20-inning sample size coming off of TJ. He has a career ERA of 3.34 and an “averaged” career xFIP and SIERA of 4.10. I’ll say if he stays mostly healthy this year, his 2025 ERA finishes at or below 3.72. Let’s check back on this one at the end of the year.

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        • Pads Fans

          2 months ago

          So he averaged being average in SIERA? That is the point. Average pitchers don’t get teams to give up something like what the Padres gave up for Cease.

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        • Baseballisthebest

          2 months ago

          That was for the season through his 3rd start, not sure that 3rd start.

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        • Pads Fans

          2 months ago

          roob, an Ace doesn’t have a 4.14 ERA and then a 7.27 ERA the next season he pitches.

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        • SportsFan0000

          1 month ago

          Marlins will get a good return for him.
          But, it WILL NOT INCLUDE SALAS AND/OR DE VRIES.

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        • Pads Fans

          1 month ago

          8.31 ERA now. Should have traded him earlier. He looks AWFUL!

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        • straightuphonestguy

          1 month ago

          Rock and a hard place IMO. They could’ve traded him without him making a start, but teams would wanna see his performance coming off TJ; they’d be handicapping their return. No point in selling low; they’ve got so much control they can see if he can’t get back to his pre-TJ performance. He does look awful, though, you’re right.

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        • Baseballisthebest

          1 month ago

          They would have received a bigger return if they had traded him before he pitched a game than if they trade him now.

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        • outinleftfield

          4 weeks ago

          8.42 now. Luckily for him he is facing the White Sox today so it shouldn’t go up much.

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      • Big whiffa

        2 months ago

        You gotta be a marlin fan ! After the Luzardo trade, and all the prior debacles, I have no faith in Miami to get quality returns for big league commodities

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        • Simm

          2 months ago

          The marlins should roll the dice and wait at least another month or to the deadline. No reason to trade him right now when there are some questionable results so far.

          Though scouts likely can see if the stuff is there now and that he will bounce back.

          Three starts is literally nothing especially after missing a year. The workhorse part is probably not a big reason to trade for him this season. Since the is coming off a major injury.

          This is the type a player preller usually goes after but I don’t see it this year. If darvish is back in a month or so they really don’t need him. My guess is we could see them pick up someone for the backend of the rotation if needed. Right now left field is the Padres biggest need. I don’t see them trading neither of Salas or DeVries. Perhaps they could move Cease and then acquire him for more long term stability.

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    • Pads Fans

      2 months ago

      He hasn’t been very good so if Preller is going to go after him, now is the time.

      If his performance improves and he puts up an ERA in the 3s by the deadline he is going to be very expensive. With 2 full seasons of team control for just $34 million, he would be a major acquisition just a touch less expensive than Cease was to acquire. A top 100 prospect and several good, mid-level prospects. Possibly as much as 3 organizational top 30 prospects.

      As it is today he is returning from a major surgery with poor results out of the gate and that is after a mediocre season prior to the injury that precipitated the surgery. He would not garner the type of return most think. A couple of middle of the organizational top 30 MLB ready prospects and a lottery ticket should get it done today.

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    • SportsFan0000

      1 month ago

      Padres and AJ Preller will make a compelling offer.

      Preller has made at least 2 major deals with the Marlins over the last few years including landing Marlins relievers Tanner Scott and Bryan Hoeing in a six-player deal. and All Star Infielder Luis Arráez in separate deals

      The Padres and AJ Preller have informed all teams
      that both C Ethan Salas and SS Leo De Vries
      ARE BOTH ON THE UNTOUCHABL.E LIST.

      Salas will be the Padres starting catcher in late ’25 or early ’26.

      De Vries will be the Padres starting SS in late ’25 or early ’26.

      Padres have been great at scouting, drafting and signing International free agents.
      They Padres RELOAD their farm every year,
      They have plenty of highly regarded talent on their farm
      to land Alcantara without trading Salas and/or De Vries.

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      • outinleftfield

        1 month ago

        Salas is hitting something like .179. He needs to learn to hit before the Padres think about calling him up.

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  2. HEHEHATE

    2 months ago

    Before don mattingly blew out his arm and threw away his second cy young

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    • diperdiZzLe83

      2 months ago

      Mattingly was long gone by that point.

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      • HEHEHATE

        2 months ago

        Naw he was throwing him 150+ pitches in games like a little leaguer. He killed this guys trajectory.

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        • NashvilleJeff

          2 months ago

          @HATE: A simple google search will tell you that the most pitches Alcantara has ever thrown in a game are the 117 he threw in a complete game vs the Yankees on 8/12/23. He also threw 115 in another complete game 0n 5/22/22. Has never come close to being forced to throw “150+ pitches in games like a little leaguer” by either Mattingly or Schumaker. Sorry the facts don’t back up your narrative.

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    • robw5555

      2 months ago

      Dont blame Mattingly. He pullet him out many times. Always had to fight Sandy to pull him.

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    • ThatsIT?

      2 months ago

      I bet you hate the internet exists. Probably went your whole life making crap up and people thought you knew what you were talking about and now they call you out every time and get their phone out to verify your stupid statements lol

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  3. carlos15

    2 months ago

    No sense in trading him after TJ when results are bad you’ll be trading him at the low point of his market. Let him string a few vintage Alcantara starts together and then start talks.

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    • juggernaut

      2 months ago

      Exactly!

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  4. Dumpster Divin Theo

    2 months ago

    At 3:39

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  5. mike z

    2 months ago

    Yesterday.

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  6. Domingo111

    2 months ago

    Depends on what you get now. Every Start is a risk and if you get a good return now I would do it.

    If you get 95 cent on the dollar take the offer. But if you get only offered 60 or 70 cents on the dollar it would be better to wait till the deadline.

    So basically tell teams you can have him now but only if you are willing to really pay up.

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  7. dshires4

    2 months ago

    I don’t foresee a better pitcher hitting the trade market, so I’d be holding onto him until either the trade deadline or the off-season. Team could panic in July, or you wait until all 29 teams have the same record in November.

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    • juggernaut

      2 months ago

      100% Correct!

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  8. playhard9

    2 months ago

    Now and back to St. Louis. Throw in another Cy Young candidate and we’ll give you Ozuna. Have to get him from the Braves somehow. Seriously, Mozeliak should make this trade to undo his biggest blunder since ignoring Max Scherzer wanting to be a Cardinal.

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    • bwmiller79

      2 months ago

      Cardinals are looking good, Matz had a good start, their starting pitching has looked solid. Only Mikolas has looked shaky.

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      • refugee

        2 months ago

        The whole Cards team has surprised me a bit. Imagine if Contreras gets untracked!

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        • bwmiller79

          2 months ago

          I think Contreras is a little overrated but think if Jordan Walker ever gets it going in the power department and if JJ Weatherholt finds some playing time, they could have a really nice offense.

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    • robw5555

      2 months ago

      Ozuna? At his age and salary? That will NEVER happen even if the Braves paid his salary. A guy who is going to be 35 and a free agent to be DH?

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  9. R.D.

    2 months ago

    2 years vs. 2+ years I really don’t think the return is that different. I’d say only deal him if someone overpays for now.

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  10. swanhenge

    2 months ago

    It’s gonna take a huge haul to get him. As good as he would look in Boston, I don’t know if I’m comfortable giving up a package led by Anthony or Mayer.

    If we could go w Raphaela, Arias, Sandlin and Cespedes, I’d be over the moon. FL would want more though.

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    • Baseballisthebest

      2 months ago

      He has to actually show he is a TOR starter to get a return that includes any top 100 prospect. His 4.70 ERA and 4.7 BB/9 don’t say Ace, they say #5 starter.

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      • robw5555

        2 months ago

        To weeks into the season? What is Rodon 1-3 5.48? Snell knocked out, Cease 1-1 6.65. Do you guys know the game at all , or do you think a few starts makes a guy a #4 or #5? WTF?

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        • outinleftfield

          2 months ago

          His last season in 2023 was at 4.14 ERA. That is league average. A #3 starter.

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      • Domingo111

        2 months ago

        Even if he is not an ace this year he will command 2 top 100 prospects and one more solid org prospect.

        He is 29 and under control next year with a 20 mil 2027 Club Option Teams will what that even if he is a 4 era pitcher this year which is normal in tj return.

        Question is what kind of top 100 prospects it will be.

        If it is the 40th overall, 90 overall and a good orgs top10 guy imo it would be a decent price that a contender should pay.

        But maybe they ask for a top10 overall prospect which is a steep price.

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        • Domingo111

          2 months ago

          Meant what not what in that sentence above:).

          I don’t think a top5 overall prospect is on the table, those guys are untouchable these days. But maybe someone is willing to give a prospect from the backend of the top10

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        • outinleftfield

          2 months ago

          The last 2 guys I can think of traded with 2 years of control were Cease and Crochet.

          Cease had a 3.37 ERA in the 2 seasons prior to the trade. The White Sox got 1 back of the top 100 prospect for him, 2 players at the back of the Padres top 10, and a reliever.

          Crochet had a 3.58 ERA in his only season as a starter. The White Sox got 2 Top 100 prospects, #25 rated Teel and #54 rated Montgomery, and Boston’s #11 and #14 prospects prior to the trade.

          Alcantara had a 4.14 ERA in the last season he pitched, had Tommy John surgery, and now has a 4.70 ERA this season.

          Alcantara will not get a return even close to Crochet and the one for Cease is out of the question too unless he really picks it up between now and the deadline.

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        • outinleftfield

          4 weeks ago

          Sunday, that 8.42 ERA so far this season is not going to get the Marlins much in return no matter how much team control he has.

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    • Poolhalljunkies

      2 months ago

      Anthony or mayor? Consider what they just traded for crochet who was younger cheaper with the same amount of control and not coming off major surgery. .then realize there is zero chance the marlins get a top 20 or better prospect in all mlb for sandy..especially with hows hes pitched thus far

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  11. Strunk Flugget

    2 months ago

    Cubs must engage.

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    • refugee

      2 months ago

      Absolutely! ” Mr Alcantara?, Jed Hoyer on line 1.”

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      • Major League Baseball Fan

        2 months ago

        Line 1? What century is this?

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        • Longtimecoming

          2 months ago

          You don’t have call waiting on your cell so you can take another call on the other line?

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        • Major League Baseball Fan

          2 months ago

          That’s call waiting on a cell phone.
          Do you not understand “line 1”?

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        • Longtimecoming

          2 months ago

          Sure do – not sure why you ask “what century is this” like you don’t think people don’t have multi line hardwired phones in their offices or something though.

          It isn’t some “last century” specific term – yet anyway. It may be next century.

          I just threw a sarcastic reference back at you to make a point. If instead of line 1, someone has used the term “call waiting” from landline lingo, would you have asked the same question?

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        • outinleftfield

          2 months ago

          You only have one line on your cell phone. I have 3 separate numbers that feed into my cell phone including an 800#. All with separate ringtones. Time to move into the 21st Century brah.

          Reply
        • Longtimecoming

          2 months ago

          Out – I can be on a call and another comes in and I can tap “hold and answer”.

          If that isn’t the exact same process and result as the household landline (with only one line) call waiting then I don’t know what it could be called.

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  12. BlueSkies_LA

    2 months ago

    Peak value for top talent is always in July. The Marlins assume some risk holding onto him that long, but no reward comes without it.

    Both Marlins fans will be disappointed either way.

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    • Baseballisthebest

      2 months ago

      So far he hasn’t shown he is a top talent post-TJ.

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      • BlueSkies_LA

        2 months ago

        Hardly anyone bounces back from TJ that quickly. Another argument for letting him ride until July.

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      • Major League Baseball Fan

        2 months ago

        He wasn’t great during the season before the injury.

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      • Pads Fans

        2 months ago

        He was mediocre in 2023 as well.

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          2 months ago

          Nevertheless I agree with the premise of this article that he will be one of the hottest commodities in the trade market this summer. Feel free to explain why you believe otherwise.

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        • outinleftfield

          2 months ago

          I always wondered about that statement. Does that mean he will have a lot of teams asking about him because back of the rotation starters are in high demand or does it mean he will have just a couple of teams asking about him because they think he is better than a #3?

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          2 months ago

          Yes.

          I hope this clears up any confusion you may have.

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  13. AL B DAMNED

    2 months ago

    Anytime. They have traded every other good player they have had in the past! Haven’t kept a single one! Alcantara will not be an exception! So anytime!

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  14. User 949619609

    2 months ago

    I’ve followed his entire career and have watched every pitch he’s thrown. Trader beware. He’s on the downslope and not worthy of anything more than a high AA

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  15. Baseballisthebest

    2 months ago

    Nicky boy, pitchers coming off Tommy John are not workhorses. Add in the fact that he missed time to injuries in 2018 and 2020 and definitely not a workhorse.

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    • robw5555

      2 months ago

      From now to the end of the yr who will have more innings. Snell or Alcantra.? Snell makes 31 mm. The Dodgers would love to work it out for him. He would slot into that team as maybe the most innings from any of their starters or close to it. Who will have more innings Alcantra or Glasnow? To get 135 innings from Glasnow is alot. Having a guy who can go further gives the relef squad a break. Glasnow at 30mm. Money talks.

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      • outinleftfield

        2 months ago

        What does Snell have to do with Alcantara? What does what a pitcher did after they signed have to do with what their value was before they signed?

        Snell put up a 2.25 ERA with SD and a 3.12 ERA with SF before signing his deal. He put up one of the best 2nd half in MLB history last season. That is why he was worth so much in the FA market.

        In 2023, Alcantara put up a 4.14 ERA, then got hurt and missed an entire season and now has a 4.70 ERA and got lit up in his last outing.

        Innings or starts do not = value without high performance.. See Patrick Corbin who never missed a start from 2021-2024 and had the 4th most starts in the game. He is making $1.1 million in 2025.

        If Alcantara had put up a low 2 or even a low 3 ERA in 2023 like Snell did in his last 2 seasons before becoming a FA you might be able to say that he had Ace upside, but he had a 4.14 ERA which was just a little better than average. With declining SO rates and increasing BB rates that is not going to entice some team to pay a huge return for him for the 2025 stretch run. He needs to prove he is better than a back of the rotation starter 1st. That is why they should hold him at least until the deadline.

        This season he started out ok with velocity right at his career averages, but since then he has already had to skip a start since returning this season and his velocity in his 3rd start against the Nationals, a game in which he got lit up for 4 runs in 5.2 IP, was 2 mph lower.

        The Marlins need to hold onto him and hope that he can turn things around this season so they can get a good return for him, because as of today, that is not happening.

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        • Pads Fans

          2 months ago

          OILF, I said something very similar up above.

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  16. bwmiller79

    2 months ago

    What else do the Padres have left to trade? If they are trading for a starter you’d have to think one of their top two prospects would have to be included.

    They missed a bargain in Quinn Priester.

    I wonder what starter the Rays are looking to trade after Joe Boyle flashed some potential? Any of the Rays top five would cost a top prospect but Littell could probably be coaxed away for less than your top two.

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    • User 949619609

      2 months ago

      Padres window closed two or three years ago after spending like clowns. It’s going to take them years to retool. Most likely not even worth it

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      • bwmiller79

        2 months ago

        I sort of agree, they are in the deep end of the pool. Id say they have to either trade both of their top two prospects and go for it this season or trade both of their starters and stack some prospects for ’26. Im interested to see which and would be surprised if they didnt make any trades at all.

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        • straightuphonestguy

          2 months ago

          You never know about injury or poor performance, but the Padres still have a majority of the team under contract for ’26. They’re set to lose Arraez, Cease, and King this fall while Suarez will probably opt out; along with Hosmer’s contract ending, they’re freeing up around 57M. Even with arbitration raises for Adam, Morejon, and a few other guys, they will have plenty of options and flexibility.

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        • Pads Fans

          2 months ago

          The Padres have the best record in baseball. They ARE going for it and they will continue go for it for the foreseeable. They haven’t had to trade their top two prospects either and have no reason to. This is the deepest team in the franchise’s history.

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        • Pads Fans

          2 months ago

          Amount coming off CBT Payroll after 2025
          Hosmer – $17.240 million
          Arraez – $14 million
          Cease – $13.75 million
          King – $1 million ( He also got a $3 million signing bonus and a $3.75 million option buyout of the $15 million player option for 2026)
          Iglesias – $3 million
          Sheets – $1.6 million
          Diaz – .$1 million ($2 million option buyout on $7 million mutual option for 2026)
          Gurriel – $1.35 million (he will be gone far before the end of 2025)
          Heyward – $1 million
          Maldonado – $1 million
          Joe – $1 million
          That is a total of $64.69 million

          Peralta – $4.25 million ($8.9 million player option for 2026-2027 @ $4.45 million each season)
          Suarez – $10 million ($16 million player option for 2026-2027 @ $8 million each season)

          BOTH Peralta and Suarez would have to have exceptional seasons to opt out. Merely good would not be enough to get them more guaranteed money at 34 and 35 years old respectively. If they do pitch well enough to opt out, the Padres will have likely gotten to best seasons they will have in the rest of their careers at that age. I really hope they pitch well enough to opt out.

          If everyone opts out, that is $78.9 million coming off the payroll and will leave the Padres approximately $45.6 million below the 1st CBT before arbitration raises. With approximately $35 million in arbitration raises for 2026 if they retain everyone and Merrill’s new contract kicking in, the Padres would be right around the CBT before filling any of the holes left by those players leaving.

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        • El Niño

          2 months ago

          There’s a new CBA coming in ‘26 and with the way salaries are skyrocketing the CBT will be raised without a doubt.

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        • Poolhalljunkies

          2 months ago

          Pads fan..i totally get your excitement..i would be excited as well but lets not forget they have not even played 20 games yet and 13 of which have come at home..over 140 to go..

          Reply
        • bwmiller79

          2 months ago

          Padres are certainly an interesting team as far as payroll and contracts go. It will be interesting to see how they handle the the trade deadline, because the pay increases to Machado and Tatis are approaching and they are going to bite.

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        • Pads Fans

          2 months ago

          If there is a 2026 season. MLB is already saying they will lock out the players again.

          Reply
        • Pads Fans

          2 months ago

          Last time the Padres had this record, they went to the WS. The last 5 times any team had this record, 3 of them went to the WS. 2 won it. All 5 went to the playoffs.

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        • Poolhalljunkies

          2 months ago

          Why wouldnt there be a 2026 season? The CBA doesnt expire until 12/1/26. If the owners locked put prior to expiration they would be in breach of contract. The most likely scenario is a lockout prior to 2027 like last time i think.

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        • outinleftfield

          2 months ago

          Pads, 2027. The current CBA runs through 2026.

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        • Pads Fans

          2 months ago

          OILF, you are poolhall are both right. I blew that one. 2027.

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      • SportsFan0000

        1 month ago

        What are you smoking?!

        Mookie Betts stated that the Padres were actually a better team than the Dodgers when they met them in the playoffs last year.

        Padres window of contention is wide open.
        And, the Padres signed the top international prospects the last few years catcher Ethan Salas and SS Leo De Vries (who hit for the cycle yesterday with 2 home runs. Both will be starting in the majors for the Padres by 2026.

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    • SportsFan0000

      1 month ago

      AJ Preller and the Padres Scouting system has been among the best in baseball at finding, drafting and signing talent both in the majors and internationally.

      Many who do not know the Padres knack for finding “sleeper talent” say that every time the Padres make a trade that their farm is empty?!

      But, Preller and the Padres keep trading prospects and keep quickly finding much more talent both in th4e MLB yearly drafts and in international free agent signings that every front office in MLB is interested in trading for and having on their team and/or in their farm system.

      The Padres ARE NOT TRADING CATCHER ETHAN SALAS AND/OR SS LEO DEVRIES. BOTH ARE “UNTOUCHABLE”.
      Both players will be starting on the Padres before their 20th Birthdays.
      They are foundational pieces and core p[ayers for the Padres
      starting in late ’25 or early ’26 for the next decade.

      SS Leo Devries just hit for the cycle this week including 2 home runs in one game.

      In order for smaller market teams like the Padres to compete
      and not let their payroll situation get completely out of hand, the Padres and similar teams need to keep drafting, signing and promoting to the major league team a regular stream of young, cost controlled talent.
      Salas and Devries fit that bill.

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  17. rhandome

    2 months ago

    This is getting a little ridiculous. From the headline I thought he was a FA next year. They have him under contract for two and a half years!! Just because a team is rebuilding, they don’t have to immediately fire sale everyone.

    We can have this convo in the 26-27 off-season, or summer 2027.

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    • Baseballisthebest

      2 months ago

      The reason is that his value goes down with each passing day. Its not like he has shown he is a TOR pitcher since his return from TJ, so they need to maximize the return while teams still think he has value.

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    • robw5555

      2 months ago

      This team has no money. Zero dollars. They will move him. They will fire sale every player who gets to arbitratation. Those are the facts. Other players on the block as well this yr. Anyone who makes over min can be moved.

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      • Cora the Destroya

        2 months ago

        Sure had a lot of money in 2012 and 2013. Just didn’t use it right

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  18. BobGibsonFan

    2 months ago

    How about CF Jesus Sanchez? Tigers need a CF.

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    • Major League Baseball Fan

      2 months ago

      He’s not a CF.

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      • BobGibsonFan

        2 months ago

        He’s more of a CF than Ryan Kreidler.

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  19. CardsFan57

    2 months ago

    Wait until he’s pitching well. I didn’t vote because it wasn’t an option.

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  20. Rsox

    2 months ago

    When they get the offer that they want, that’s when

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    • Major League Baseball Fan

      2 months ago

      100/100 times.

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  21. beknighted

    2 months ago

    “Sandy Alcantara’s Sandy Alcantara, but the Mystery Prospects could be anyone! One of the could even be the next Sandy Alcantara!”
    “Then why don’t we just keep S-”
    “We’ll take the Mystery Prospects!”

    – how the Marlins continue to do “business” today

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  22. Red Wings

    2 months ago

    Marlins are an embarrassment and I live in South Florida.

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    • Major League Baseball Fan

      2 months ago

      Marlins are an embarrassment and I live 3000 miles away from them.

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      • Cora the Destroya

        2 months ago

        2 World Series is more than other teams…

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  23. dajuba

    2 months ago

    The Marlins should pick up his $21m ‘27 option and give him a 3yr extension with a 4th year team option.

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  24. Blah blah blah

    2 months ago

    Marlins history is marred by accidentally competing amidst intentionally tanking. Just keep him until July

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    • Cora the Destroya

      2 months ago

      2 World Series is more than others

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  25. cooperhill

    2 months ago

    The Orioles are calling as we speak!

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  26. Sean P

    2 months ago

    Should be Boston. Probably NY. But Baltimore probably has the best to offer and most need.

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  27. GarryHarris

    2 months ago

    I’m all for the Tigers to acquire Sandy Alcantara while they have the current pitching staff.

    The Tigers need some basepath speed too. They’re going to waste so many runners on base with those easy double plays by their lack of speed.

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  28. letitbelowenstein

    2 months ago

    Mike Elias on line….oh, never mind. He hung up.

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  29. GreatLiberator

    2 months ago

    The pole forgot the option “before Will Warren’s next turn in the Yankees rotation.”

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  30. Letsgolos

    2 months ago

    To Baltimore for Kjerstad, Mayo and Povich

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    • Make Roids Legal Again

      2 months ago

      Mayo, Povich and a toolsy low level lotto ticket like Joshua Liranzo should be enough. I thought Elias would go get Crochet or Cease this year, so what do I know.

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  31. dajuba

    2 months ago

    The Marlins pick up his ‘27 team option and sign him to an extension should of been an option to choose from as well

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    • robw5555

      2 months ago

      What? Thats funny. FYI Sherman and Co have no money. No deal like that would ever happen.

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      • Cora the Destroya

        2 months ago

        Marlins had money in 2012 and 2013 then traded everyone out

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  32. آلي مكبيل_.._.بيتزا بيبيروني آشتون كوتشر

    2 months ago

    Tuesday 3:22PM

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  33. RocDog19

    2 months ago

    Hoyer needs to sniff. One arm down. Not sure of any viable trade material though?

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    • SportsFan0000

      1 month ago

      Plenty of young talent percolating in Padres farm system.

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  34. saj

    2 months ago

    Immediately before his injury.

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  35. Dumpster Divin Theo

    2 months ago

    Related: when is Prince Spaghetti day?

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    • Dumpster Divin Theo

      2 months ago

      A. Wednesday
      B. When Doves Cry

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    • Cora the Destroya

      2 months ago

      Arighetti?

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    • beknighted

      2 months ago

      1999

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  36. Cora the Destroya

    2 months ago

    It’s unfortunate… Marlins never have that open window to compete but it’s not doing them any good holding on to him. They should trade and try to get an open window for competition with prospects again

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  37. warnbeeb

    2 months ago

    The Tigers are not going to be able to sign Skubal to a long term contract. Alcantara would be somewhat close to Skubal for a lot less money. Gets them through 3 seasons.

    Tigers go into September with Skubal, Alcantara, Flaherty, Jobe and Olson.

    Heck, trade Flaherty…again…this year. Substitute Mize for jack F.

    I’m telling you right now. Max Clark is not the next coming of Bryce Harper. More like a Johnny Damon (with a better arm). Would Miami be interested?

    Clark, Colt Keith and Keider Montero. Would that be enough? I would even send Olson instead of Montero.

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    • bwmiller79

      2 months ago

      Guardians have a lot of nice prospects, they could land Alcantara.

      Max Meyer has looked good though, sure would be a nice 1/2 in Miami with Meyer and Alcantara if somehow Miami keeps him around.

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    • warnbeeb

      2 months ago

      No No No

      I take it all back. Alcantara lit up by Phils tonight. The Fish should take whatever they can get.

      The Tigers don’t need him…if this is how he’s going to pitch.

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      • Pads Fans

        2 months ago

        He has given up 11 ER over 8.2IP in his last 2 starts. Its not pretty.

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        • Pads Fans

          1 month ago

          Now its 16 ER given up over his last 10.2 IP. It keeps getting uglier and uglier.

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  38. Old York

    2 months ago

    I like how some of the MLB teams have become development pipelines for the top MLB teams.

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  39. Captainmike1

    2 months ago

    Trade him whenever they get an offer they can’t refuse

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  40. bwmiller79

    2 months ago

    Yankees have better options than the Cubs, Cubs dont have a single pitcher of interest in their AA/AAA in my opinion. I’ll have to take a closer look Yankees have some decent pitching prospects. Hess, LaLane, Schlitter, LaGrange.

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    • MRSHOWTIME

      2 months ago

      Cade Horton

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  41. Pads Fans

    2 months ago

    He has given up 11 ER over 8.2IP in his last 2 starts and has a 7.27 ERA this season after having a 4.14 ERA in his last season before the TJ surgery. Its not going to take as much as you may be thinking to get him. One more start like tonight and the Fish will be stuck with him at least through the end of the season.

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    • bwmiller79

      2 months ago

      Alcantara is going to get it rolling again

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      • Pads Fans

        1 month ago

        AND you are wrong again. He got absolutely destroyed.

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      • bwmiller79

        1 month ago

        He wants to stay in Miami, they are hitting the ball. He will get it back on track. They should keep him.

        Plenty of good starting pitching going to be available outside of Alcantara.

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      • Pads Fans

        1 month ago

        LMFAO. He keeps getting worse with each start this season. At his current pace his ERA will be over 9 by the end of his next start on Cinco De Mayo.

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      • bwmiller79

        1 month ago

        Max Meyer got shelled yesterday, Cabrera hasn’t been great either. The starting pitching was supposed to be their strength.

        But they are hitting, and Edwards, Ramirez and Stowers look like a good start. They arent that far away from putting together a really strong team. There is a case for keeping Alcantara if the return in trade isnt superb, and that could actually be a blessing in disguise.

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      • Pads Fans

        1 month ago

        Alcantara got destroyed again on Cinco de Mayo. For him its more like SINK O de Mayo.

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      • bwmiller79

        1 month ago

        all his pitch metrics are in line with his ’23 numbers, as far as I can comprehend, fast ball velo is there, movement on his pitches is there, he isn’t throwing his slider with as much confidence. He hasn’t regained his acumen as a pitcher but its there, he might be dogging it, taking it easy, with all the trade rumors.

        Im certain he will get it going again, but if he wants to stay in Miami, then the Marlins should offer him a team friendly extension with a no trade clause.

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      • outinleftfield

        4 weeks ago

        How about he was a middle of the pack pitcher in 2023 before the injury and he is not nearly as good now. Can you comprehend that?

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  42. SportsFan0000

    1 month ago

    Padres always have plenty of talent growing down on the farm
    that has not yet been discovered by the East Coast baseball media.

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  43. SportsFan0000

    1 month ago

    Alcantara to the Padres

    To the Marlins:

    OF Tirso Arnelas
    RHSP Brandon Nett
    RHSP Humberto Cruz
    RHSP Henry Baez

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    • Pads Fans

      1 month ago

      WAY too much.

      Reply
  44. SportsFan0000

    1 month ago

    Alcantara comes with some risk in 2025.

    He had surgery what a year ago?

    He may not be ready to compete at an high level in ’25 and may also be on an innings limit.

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