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Poll: Should The Pirates Trade Mitch Keller?

By Nick Deeds | June 30, 2025 at 10:17am CDT

The second year of the Paul Skenes era in Pittsburgh is not going well. The Pirates are currently 35-50, leaving them buried in both the NL Central and the Wild Card race. The Bucs stand as one of the few clear sellers this summer, and it seems as though the team is operating with very few untouchables. One of the names that’s gotten the a good bit of buzz this summer is right-hander Mitch Keller, who has drawn attention as one of the few established, controllable starting pitchers with a chance to be dealt.

The Cubs have come up as a potential suitor for Keller, and USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reported yesterday that the sides have been discussing a deal for more than a week. That’s not necessarily an indication that a trade, whether with the Cubs or otherwise, is particularly close. Still, it lends credence to the idea that the Pirates are serious in their willingness to consider moving the right-hander. That’s at least a mild surprise, given that he’s in just the second season of a five-year contract, but there’s a case to be made that the Pirates should capitalize right now.

After all, Keller is making $54.5MM over the final three years of his contract. That’s a below-market sum for a solid mid-rotation veteran but still steep for the perennially low-budget Pirates. Pittsburgh has already assembled an impressive group of young pitching talent with Skenes, top prospect Bubba Chandler, and injured-but-talented righty Jared Jones leading the pack. With affordable arms like Mike Burrows, Braxton Ashcraft and Thomas Harrington already having debuted, and well-regarded prospect Hunter Barco not far behind, the Pirates are amassing some enviable pitching depth. (That doesn’t include left-hander Bailey Falter, who’s affordably controlled for three more seasons.)

Pittsburgh would arguably be better off spending Keller’s salary on some sorely needed offense. Teoscar Hernandez, for example, signed with the Dodgers for a similar amount: $66MM over three years, with enough money deferred to lower the net present value of the contract to just under $60MM. Gleyber Torres, Tyler O’Neill, Christian Walker, and Pete Alonso are among the other hitters who signed for $60MM or less guaranteed this past winter. Not all of those deals have worked out, and there are always dangers of spending on even mid-range free agents like this, but the Pirates could have made reasonably competitive bids for some notable veterans on the open market with a sum comparable to what they still owe Keller.

Aside from the ability to reallocate financial resources, moving Keller would surely come with a solid return. Cost-controlled starting pitching is typically the most valuable commodity on the trade market, and while Keller is hardly elite given his 109 ERA+ this year, his affordable contract and year-to-year stability would give the acquiring club additional long-term certainty in their rotation that a rental pitcher like Zac Gallen could offer.

Using the Cubs’ system as an example due to their status as a rumored suitor for Keller, it’s easy to see why the Pirates might be willing to deal within the division. Chicago has a number of quality position player prospects knocking on the door of the big leagues. Outfielder Owen Caissie has 12 home runs and a 125 wRC+ at Triple-A Iowa as a 22-year-old this year. Catcher/DH Moises Ballesteros, outfielder Kevin Alcantara, and infielder James Triantos are all close to MLB-ready as well. Triantos’ stock is down after a difficult and injury-marred start to the 2025 season, but a package centering around one of those other young hitters could be appealing for a Pirates club that is looking to players like Andrew McCutchen and Spencer Horwitz to fill out the middle of its order at present. Other clubs with upper-level position player prospects have undoubtedly inquired on Keller, too.

As appealing as some of the arguments for trading Keller may be, there are real concerns that would come with making a deal. Keller was once looked at as a potential No. 2 starter during his prospect days and, while he hasn’t lived up to that potential yet, he’s not far removed from a three-WAR season wherein he struck out 25.5% of his opponents. His 4.21 ERA that year was pedestrian, but his 3.83 SIERA was 18th-best in baseball among qualified starters, just behind Logan Gilbert and ahead of players like Corbin Burnes, Blake Snell, and Dylan Cease. Keller is still just 29 years old, and he certainly wouldn’t be the first pitcher to take a step forward in the middle of his prime. If the Pirates believe Keller still has another gear, they might prefer to hold onto him in hopes that he can unlock it and increase his trade value or his value to the Pirates themselves.

Aside from the possibility of selling at less than peak value, it’s worth noting how much uncertainty there is when it comes to developing pitching. The Tigers drafted Tarik Skubal and Casey Mize back in 2018 but only began to truly see the fruits of that labor last year after both players were derailed by injuries early in their career. Jones is already recovering from elbow surgery, and with pitching injuries seemingly more frequent than ever, it can be hard to part with a steady arm like Keller. Given the soaring price of pitching in free agency, the Pirates would likely have to keep scoring deals on low-cost veterans like they did with Andrew Heaney this year in order to fill out and create depth behind their young rotation mix.

How do MLBTR readers think the Pirates should act regarding Keller? Should they move to trade him in order to help boost the offense for their young arms, or should they hang onto him as a veteran presence and hope he can increase his value from here? Have your say in the poll below:

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  1. Old York

    4 hours ago

    No. They should trade Paul Skenes to the Dodgers.

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    • ronnsnow

      3 hours ago

      Use me as a downvote.

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      • Old York

        3 hours ago

        @ronnsnow

        Why?

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        • SandlotBenchWarmer

          2 hours ago

          Are there players you want from the Dodgers versus another team like the Yankees, Phillies, or Red Sox? Why make the Dodgers better than they already are?

          As to why, there’s a ton of reasons why it makes no sense to trade Skenes now. His value will only increase barring injury which you cannot time the market on (but armchair GMs on this site seem to think you can). If we don’t compete next year, I can see more of an argument to move him at next year’s deadline but there is no deal that could be made that actually make us more competitive right away so we should see if they can actually have a better start next year. I know people seem to think that the Pirates have never been competitive in the past ten years but, as I’ve said many times before, we were in the playoff conversation this time last year and up until the end of July.

          And I know that people for whatever reason feel bad for Skenes for being on a losing team but based on the competitor he has shown himself to be, I think he’s attracted to the possibility of actually leading a team to the playoffs on his back rather than being an arm in the midst of a plethora of other arms on a competitive team like the Dodgers or other big market team that would be the only ones who could afford to acquire him at this point. I think he could be excited by the possibility of being the biggest fish in a small pond that makes a legitimate run and I think we have the chance to do that next year (with a new GM).

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        • Old York

          2 hours ago

          @SandlotBenchWarmer

          It really doesn’t matter. I’m just putting something out there for a conversation.

          I don’t feel bad for Skenes and know he’s going to get his bag at some point but I doubt the Pirates are paying him that contract in the future. Sure, you could say, let’s trade him next year and that’s true too. I’m just thinking, if the plan isn’t to invest in the team right now, you might as well cash in on the guy to fill your roster with top talent that’s also cheap vs. 1 pitcher that is currently cheap but running out of time.

          Ultimately, I don’t care what the Pirates do with him. They can wait till the end of his current contract and just let him walk but I feel that would be the worse decision. Who knows? Maybe ownership will have a change of heart and give him a bag of money to stay with the Pirates.

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        • SandlotBenchWarmer

          2 hours ago

          Yeah I definitely don’t think they’ll just let his contract run out and have him become a free agent. Pirates ownership makes dumb decisions all the time but even they are not that dumb. They’ll get some sort of return from him but I was just saying that it makes much more sense to trade him next year than this year. The whole trade him this year conversation seems to be concocted by baseball media that (1) need something to talk about and this is a juicy story and (2) want to cover a more interesting big market team to drive revenue and the more they have to talk about small market teams like the Pirates because Skenes is legitimately a generational talent, the less money they make. Trading Skenes right now makes next to no fiscal sense from the Pirates vantage point and I think baseball media knows this but needs to perpetuate the story.

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        • Old York

          2 hours ago

          @SandlotBenchWarmer

          I appreciate your thoughtful input to my somewhat unrealistic proposal.

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        • MrSplashGetsMeWet

          21 mins ago

          wHy?

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        • Mendoza Line 215

          3 mins ago

          Old York- I think that it is a sticking point of small market fans about trading him to a big market team because only they have the money to pay the superstars.
          They will eventually get him anyway as the Dodgers have the excess money to hoard many of the very best players.

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        • Old York

          4 seconds ago

          @Mendoza Line 215

          True. It’s unfortunate that the players don’t stay with the same team their whole career but the players fought for free agency and this is what we got. I don’t think there is any situation where we have free agency and players sticking around with their same team for the whole career unless the player just wants to play the game and not care about money.

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    • 99Captain Judge99

      3 hours ago

      No thnx, the Dodgers have to many starters as it is.

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      • Old York

        3 hours ago

        @99Captain Judge99

        Nothing wrong with having more pitching.

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        • Mendoza Line 215

          1 min ago

          For whatever reason the Dodgers seem to tend to have the most injuries of starting pitchers so that they have to hoard starters to not run out of them.

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    • James123

      2 hours ago

      sure, Skenes for Pages, Rushing, Roki and some other stuff.

      THe value is insane on Skenes, but if anyone could do it it would be the dodgers. Even just Roki and Rushing likely get the pirates to the table to kick the tires on what else they could extract before the dodgers walked away.

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      • Old York

        2 hours ago

        @James123

        Honestly, it makes sense. If the Dodgers are going all in for a few years, why not get one of the top SPs in the game right now? What are they going to do? Have some of these guys sit on the bench or waste their prime in the minors? If I’m the Dodgers, I’d at least call and see what the interest level is and where the conversation would start.

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  2. Dice 66

    4 hours ago

    Not to Cubs! AL team,Texas, Orioles maybe Tigers.

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    • Gwynning

      3 hours ago

      Padres

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    • For Love of the Game

      3 hours ago

      And that’s why they should trade him. There are many teams that could use an extra arm, and the Pirates could extract significant value by trading him into a hot market.

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      • Gwynning

        3 hours ago

        Exactamundo, FLotG!

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    • alproof

      3 hours ago

      Skenes to Mets (Tidwell, Sproat), Keller to Tigers (very young highly regarded infield prospect)

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      • retire21

        2 hours ago

        Laughable

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      • Pete'sView

        1 hour ago

        Pirates would be nuts to trade Skenes, no matter the return. But dealing Keller makes a lot of sense if they get at least two top prospects ready to rise to the majors.

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    • James123

      2 hours ago

      last year i was calling for Keller to the Os for the boatload of blocked prospects the Os had…. this season they may be intersted solely since Keller is locked up for a few more years, but the Os are sellers this year.

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  3. bucsfan0004

    4 hours ago

    It was always the plan to trade Keller. Give him a nice extension, hope he performs well, and trade him for a low level prospect before the back-end money kicks in.

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    • Boston’s Alignment

      3 hours ago

      You will get a lot more than a low level prospect for him.

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      • James123

        2 hours ago

        yup- he is underpaid by 20-30 million over the remainder of his deal. That is top 50 prospect level. If someone really wants to go all in now, you may get a pair of top 100 prospects for him. The idea of building around Alcantara, Triantos, or Cassie was basically that they are likely to get a high minors top 100 guy plus some depth.

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    • TheMan 3

      3 hours ago

      I have been reading on several websites that Cherington will demand either a top level prospect or a player who has several years of control and is major league ready
      Cherington is trying to save his job, low level prospects won’t accomplish that

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      • wvsteve

        3 hours ago

        BCs legacy will be really bad trades and vague interviews. Hopefully they require a really good player in return. Hopefully not with Cubs

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      • WashedUpOldTimer

        3 hours ago

        But does Cherington even know what a top prospect is? He sure hasn’t shown that he does in his time here
        Should anyone in this roster be “untouchable?” Yeah, they swept a banged up Mets team but getting a boatload of good, young hitting prospects to rebuild yet again should be the goal, with a new GM

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        • ronnsnow

          3 hours ago

          Remember when Cherington traded for Nick Yorke, who was essentially major league ready, but blocked in Boston? Then he seemed to give up on him completely after 11 major league games so he could give playing time to Tommy Pham?

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        • greatwhiteangus

          3 hours ago

          They had to sign a cheap MLB free agent. If they didn’t the MLBPA would have thrown a fit.

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        • Mendoza Line 215

          3 hours ago

          Yorke started slowly this year and still is not doing great in AAA or he would have been called up already.
          Frazier has been playing and hitting much better under Kelly and should get a decent mid level prospect at the trade deadline.
          Yorke will come up then.
          Pham as a free agent had to start.He has clearly raised his game since he seemed to get his eyes straightened out.

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        • TheMan 3

          2 hours ago

          Pham makes $4 million dollars this year, Yorke makes major league minimum.
          I know it sounds crazy but Cherington wasn’t about to bench Pham in favor of a rookie because of what they’re paying Pham

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      • Buuba ho tep

        3 hours ago

        It’s been reported the cubs also want bednar…cherrington cannot get oects,who are 2,3 years away. He needs everyday position players…I’m all for trading both..not because I don’t like keller. It’s just the pirates have pitchers ready to go. And besides Keller is better than 2-10…they don’t hit fir him.

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        • Mendoza Line 215

          3 hours ago

          Keep Bednar and extend him.Every good team needs a good closer.
          I wonder if having one of the best closers ever on the team last year affected him adversely.
          I would not trade Keller unless I got good ML players in exchange,even if I had to sweeten the pot.
          They need an outfielder plus a shortstop and third baseman.
          Nobody is looking at Keller’s record this year.

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        • James123

          2 hours ago

          Keller is a mid rotation guy. The 109 ERA plus means he is 9% better than average. He gets poor fielding behind him so the ERA is not that great, but put him on a team with good fielders and he will play up like a true #3 arm.

          He will land a top 100 prospect in AAA alone. your team may not, but someone will want a #3 SP for 5-10m below market. The FA comp from last year would be Kikuchi (and Severino and the rest of that tier of SP) and they all got 3/70. So there is a lot of excess in 3/55

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        • James123

          2 hours ago

          Closers tend to be a terrible use of your FA budget. Dropping over 10m per for under 100 innings is a hard pill to swollow. With that said, aside from the Chapman overpay, i have not seen a closer move for something that i would take in almost a decade.

          If they can land something like Ballesteros and Triantos for Keller- the pirates would be crazy to pass it up. The cubs do not have the deepest farm system, but with the logjam they have in the OF, you may be able to get Triantos and Alcantrara- and that would be a good deal with 2 every day player types in AAA coming back.

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      • greatwhiteangus

        3 hours ago

        I think BC knows his job is already lost. It’s why he put his house on the market

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        • WashedUpOldTimer

          2 hours ago

          It’s a never-ending rebuild. If Cherington is gone….and he should be…whomever comes in is going to take a look at this team and the farm system and undoubtedly decide to burn it all down again, whether it’s players or organizational staff

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        • James123

          2 hours ago

          I have no issue with rebuild, contend for 2-4 years and then rebuild again. The reality is that not every core is going to work out. The current core was just the wrong guys over and over again. With Skenes i would also understand going for high minors guys to have a run with Skenes still there.

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  4. Outfieldflyrule??

    4 hours ago

    Skenes to the Dodgers…two weeks later Skenes needs TJ surgery.

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    • Canuckleball

      3 hours ago

      You think it’ll take two weeks?

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    • Steinbrenner2728

      3 hours ago

      First it was the deferral jokes, then the payroll jokes, and now it’s the Tommy John jokes… Not even the 4-time World Series Yankees dynasty in the late 1990s had this much hate, it’s weird.

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      • Canuckleball

        3 hours ago

        They did. There just wasn’t twitter and sites like this back in the day.

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      • Rudy Zolteck

        2 hours ago

        They definitely did, especially when the fans keep finding ways to bring up the 90s WS teams in a post about Pirates starting pitchers

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    • Steinbrenner2728

      3 hours ago

      Also I’m sorry that Freddie Freeman chose the Dodgers over staying with the Braves, Outfieldflyrule?? I found out you were a Braves fan.

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  5. Atlanta Jack

    3 hours ago

    Keller for Armstrong sounds about right.

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    • mike127

      3 hours ago

      I doubt the Rangers are going to give up on Armstrong so quickly. He’s having a pretty solid season.

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      • greatwhiteangus

        3 hours ago

        I see what you did there. Well done.

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        • mike127

          2 hours ago

          Nah—I’m just a little older. I was brought up understanding that the highest form of respect you can give someone is to know and remember their name.

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  6. Acoss1331

    3 hours ago

    Yes they should trade him, Cruz and Hayes. They won’t trade Skenes but everyone else is pretty much on the table. Maybe not Reynolds, but who knows with Nutting and Cherington…

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    • Sid Bream Speed Demon

      3 hours ago

      They would be lucky to get a bucket of baseballs for Hayes. They should have tried him at SS and 2B to increase his value, he can’t hit a lick.

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      • Buuba ho tep

        3 hours ago

        Sid brillo creamcheese..Hayes is on a hitting tear. You should do your homework before you post…garbage

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        • Sid Bream Speed Demon

          3 hours ago

          Sick burn bro. Got that OPS+ up to what now, 68?

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        • Sid Bream Speed Demon

          2 hours ago

          He’s now slashing 246/297/305. What a stud.

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        • Mendoza Line 215

          2 hours ago

          Buuba- Tru dat,but much of it came against the Mets.
          Bream is no doubt looking at his two home runs,246 average,and 602 ops for a third baseman over this year.
          Not quite Mike Schmidt numbers,let alone Eugenio Suarez.
          Let’s wait and see if he can keep it up.
          I have always said that his ceiling is 275,12-15 home runs,and 700 ops.
          Let’s see how close he can come to that which with his undeniable fielding prowess would make him a valuable third baseman.

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        • TheMan 3

          2 hours ago

          .246 in comparison to hitting close to the Mendoza line in just a few weeks.
          He’s been hitting over.,400 over his last 10 games.
          He’s heating up

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      • ronnsnow

        3 hours ago

        Hayes is the BEST defender in baseball. He absolutely has value.

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        • Sid Bream Speed Demon

          2 hours ago

          No one wants a 3B that has such crappy batting stats. That is why I said they should have tried him at SS, he could have some value there if he plays it well.

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        • FrontRowBob

          2 hours ago

          Any Relation to Willie Mays Hayes?

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      • greatwhiteangus

        3 hours ago

        Ahhhhh, yes. The old as dirt “bucket of baseballs” saying. Good job aging yourself, gramps.

        BTW, I’m almost 60 so take that at what you will.

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        • Sid Bream Speed Demon

          2 hours ago

          I am a good bit younger than you, but it’s an applicable expression.

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        • greatwhiteangus

          56 mins ago

          As many balls as they do through each game you may be right.

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    • Boston’s Alignment

      3 hours ago

      Hayes and Reynolds are bad contracts.
      Cruz is a ridiculously overrated player.

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      • Wire to wire 2024

        3 hours ago

        Maybe overrated by some pirates fans but he does have value.

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        • Sid Bream Speed Demon

          3 hours ago

          He has value but he is treated like a superstar because of his outputs like sprint speed, exit velo, etc without putting up superstar numbers.

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        • greatwhiteangus

          2 hours ago

          Nope. Cruz, until his recent really bad slump, was easily our best talent and his numbers proved it. He was well above average in OPS+ which is one of the best actual stats to base performance.

          Try again

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        • Sid Bream Speed Demon

          2 hours ago

          His OPS+ is 104, so 4% above league average. Career 110. Not a superstar.

          Best position player on the Pirates? Probably. That is like being the valedictorian of summer school.

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        • Mendoza Line 215

          2 hours ago

          Cruz ‘ best position would be first base where he can do the least damage and most good with an enviable stretch.
          Donn Clendenon had one in 1966 when the Pirates set the ML record for double plays.
          Cruz does not really have a baseball mindset. Is he a student of the game?Maybe,but maybe not.
          I think that he could be a good CF if he had started his career there but he never wanted to get off SS where he was involved in more plays but made far too many errors
          The Pirates hype him because,well,they are the Pirates and until Skenes came along who else did they really have to hype?
          The Dodgers must have seen this in 2016 but in his defense he certainly has the physical talent maybe even to be great and that is what spurs fans to think of what could be.

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        • Sid Bream Speed Demon

          2 hours ago

          The highest it was all this season was 110.

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        • holecamels35

          1 hour ago

          I actually think the opposite. Other fans think he’s great because he hits the ball very hard and far but still has so much inconsistency in his game. Pirates need him to be a superstar type player and he’s a slightly above average starter.
          I just watched a video from that Jim Riley guy who was going through trade scenarios and he values him highly.

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        • greatwhiteangus

          55 mins ago

          Not true at all. It was in the upper 120s for the first 2 months.

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    • TheMan 3

      3 hours ago

      Cutch isn’t available per Cherington

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      • crise

        3 hours ago

        He’d retire if he was traded. Ben is just saving everyone the trouble of asking. (But he should have phrased it that way.)

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        • James123

          2 hours ago

          also- who is giving up anything of real value for Cutch at this point.

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  7. Aaron Sapoznik

    3 hours ago

    The Cubs should offer the Pirates all four of their top AAA prospects for Paul Skenes and closer David Bednar, sealing the deal by including RHP Ben Brown.

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    • bwmiller79

      3 hours ago

      You’d hope they could do better than the Cubs lousy prospects.

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      • James123

        2 hours ago

        I dunno, Skenes and Bednar for Brown, Triantos, Ballesteros, Cassie and Alcantara……. still feels a little light. But if i were the pirates, i would be open to talking along those lines with the understanding that there needs to be several lower minors (birdsell?) guys to actually get this done.

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        • bwmiller79

          1 hour ago

          Wiggins, Kipp, Brown, Cassie and Ivan Brethowr – that could be light but Brethowr is a player to grab if your trading with the Cubs.

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    • Buuba ho tep

      3 hours ago

      to all you posters. Quit pleasuring yourselves with skenes being traded…HES GOING NOWHERE

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      • Mendoza Line 215

        2 hours ago

        They have nothing better to do.

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      • Aaron Sapoznik

        35 mins ago

        Paul Skenes will be out of Pittsburgh near the end of his arbitration eligibility and ahead of his first foray into free agency just like fellow Pirates #1 overall pick Gerrit Cole. 🙂

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    • Hannibal8us

      2 hours ago

      Throw in Crow Armstrong since we’re making stupid offers that nobody would accept.

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  8. Centralpa

    3 hours ago

    You can have all the affordable pitching prospects you want it takes a set rotation of 4-5 SP to give you a chance day in and day out. As for the offense when they play against top tier teams they play up to their potential that tells you its a mind/game set issue and they BottomDollarBob has plenty of money to put into legit #1 position players/Bullpen help without over spending/trading on washed up talent.

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  9. danodea

    3 hours ago

    The Pirates will never spend $60 million on a free agent and I don’t know why this article acts like that’s a realistic possibility. If Keller goes, the savings are going directly into Nutting’s pocket.

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    • greatwhiteangus

      2 hours ago

      Totally agree. Nutting hasn’t spent $100MM on payroll in about 10 years while inflation has gone up.. Hasn’t signed a multi year FA contract since Ivan Nova and John Jaso.

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      • James123

        2 hours ago

        the good ole days- Jaso is a name i have not heard in almost a decade.

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        • greatwhiteangus

          53 mins ago

          My apologies for bringing that up. lol

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  10. cooperhill

    3 hours ago

    The Orioles are interested.

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    • greatwhiteangus

      2 hours ago

      No they’re not. And they don’t have much to offer anymore.

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  11. bhambrave

    3 hours ago

    At some point you need to stop churning and establish your core. The Pirates need to keep him. For one thing, if they trade him just two years into the extension, then any future FA’s will be even less likely to sign with Pittsburgh.

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    • RunDMC

      3 hours ago

      Free agents already believe that. If anything, it will deter extensions, but that’s doubtful considering some youngins want guaranteed money. If they need to address it, they can include player options or NTCs to entice, when other teams won’t. While Keller could be a building block, he won’t be a top of rotation SP or sell many tickets to be worth the risk of the right trade package, which also help PIT go cheaper (Nutting’s goal).

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    • greatwhiteangus

      2 hours ago

      Nutting doesn’t care about who signs with Pittsburgh. Players know that he won’t sign anyone for multiple seasons. The guys who sign with the Bucs get to be major leaguers one more season and hopefully play enough to showcase other teams.

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  12. wvsteve

    3 hours ago

    Only if they reinvest the $$$. Pirates looked great this last weekend

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  13. bwmiller79

    3 hours ago

    What happened to Mick Abel the other day, he got pulled from his start last week without throwing a pitch. I thought that was odd.

    I’d say Philadelphia is looking to add the best starter available and Abel is part of that trade.

    Whose it going to be?

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    • KlausSchwabIsRight

      2 hours ago

      rain delay. The Phillies need a bullpen arm and a right handed hitter.

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  14. ronnsnow

    3 hours ago

    Yes the Pirates should trade Keller for a bat that can immediately inserted into the lineup. Not for a haul of A ball prospects.

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    • greatwhiteangus

      2 hours ago

      Such as?

      And before you answer please remember who pays the salaries on this ballclub

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      • bmcferren

        18 mins ago

        Ian Happ

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    • Skeptical

      2 hours ago

      One bat at the cost of giving up solid pitching will not make the Pirates into a contender, probably wouldn’t make the Pirates any better, most likely worse. The Pirates would need multiple bats if they trade away Keller or Falter. Keep Keller, trade Heaney.. Teams need not five quality starters, but six to seven to cover the inevitable injuries. The current Pirates resources suggest a team centered on pitching and defense, not offense. That is not to say that the offense could not be improved, but it should not be improved at the cost of pitching.

      Too many posters subscribe to a single model of success. There are multiple roads to building a successful team.

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  15. mlb1225

    3 hours ago

    I would really rather not trade Keller. He’s the definition of a rotation anchor. He’s pretty much a guarenteed quality start every outing, and in most cases, does better than that. The return would have to be for something pretty decent, like a player who already has MLB experience/success to fill the line-up. If you trade him for just prospects that are still a year or two (or more) away, you might as well just tear it all down again.

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    • Gwynning

      3 hours ago

      I mentioned Cronenworth and Vasquez in a different post… perhaps there’s something there???

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      • bwmiller79

        3 hours ago

        I was thinking Cease to the Phillies for Mick Abel and Alex McFarlane. They could probably add a low level position player to the trade but Abel would be enough and McFarlane has a couple nice pitches, he could be a nice bullpen arm.

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        • Gwynning

          3 hours ago

          I doubt Philly pulls that trigger, but as a Padre fan I’d sign off on that.

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        • CarverAndrews

          2 hours ago

          @Gwynning – Exactly. The Phils strength is the rotation – why on earth would they trade for an up and down Cease as a rental, and give up high quality prospects for the privilege?

          Wheeler / Sanchez / Suarez / Luzardo / Abel / Painter in the wings and Nola back in a matter of weeks. Just a silly trade suggestion that fails to take into account the other team.

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        • bwmiller79

          1 hour ago

          Only need four starters in the playoffs, they likely aren’t in danger of losing out on a wild card so you’re probably right, it wouldn’t make much sense for the Phillies unless they value the buy and feel they are soft in the five, and it hedges any injury risk, a half season to play.

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      • mlb1225

        9 mins ago

        I wouldn’t hate Cronenworth, I just really like Keller.

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    • SandlotBenchWarmer

      2 hours ago

      I also don’t want to trade Keller but it is hard to think about what a return for him would look like and, depending on what is offered, I could see an argument to trading him even though he’s a great arm to have in a rotation. As the article says, it’s hard to find a healthy arm in this market that is as controllable as Keller so I could see the Pirates having a hard time saying no if the return is good. But if it’s true that clubs want him and Bednar, then that return needs to be VERY good and I don’t see that happening. I think it’s much more likely that Heaney, IKF, and Hayes goes than Keller.

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  16. Mendoza Line 215

    3 hours ago

    They do not need starters.
    They need relief pitchers.
    Although I did see an article in the regressive Philadelphia Inquierer that said that Dombrowski has an ace idea up his sleeve.
    He will only need three or four starters in the playoffs so he will use his excess starters in relief.
    We will see how that works.

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  17. Bil 2

    3 hours ago

    The Mets need pitching. He’s a good replacement for Griffin Canning.

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  18. Old York

    3 hours ago

    Do you really want a mediocre pitcher with a LOB% of 67.7%? Doesn’t have strikeout ability and his SIERA of 4.14 vs. ERA of 3.90 tells me he’s getting a bit lucky.

    They should trade him to get anything for him but I’d be looking elsewhere as a buyer.

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    • greatwhiteangus

      52 mins ago

      No mention of Keller’s top 10 FIP???

      Cherry pick much?

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      • Old York

        9 mins ago

        @greatwhiteangus

        FIP isn’t the best a predicting future ERA. It’s the 7th best means of prediction so I wouldn’t put a lot of value in FIP.

        tht.fangraphs.com/kwera-the-starting-point-for-pit…

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  19. PiratesFan1981

    2 hours ago

    Trade Keller for a big bat and can produce runs for the Pirates. Cruz, Hayes, Falter, Dennis Santana, Bednar, and Reynolds should also be trade candidates for more offensive help. And for the love of god, release Pham!

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    • greatwhiteangus

      51 mins ago

      Bob won’t pay for a “big bat”.

      Reply
  20. Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman

    2 hours ago

    Looks like nobody has any faith in the Pirates whatsoever !

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  21. Bruce wulff

    2 hours ago

    Yep, the cubs-buccos match up perfectly for a deal sending both Keller and Bednar to cubs for3 -4 tops cubs prospects and to make it real blockbuster would be adding Hayes to trade because cubs still weak at 3b. Turner, brujan and berti not good backups for cubs.

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    • Logjammer D'Baggagecling

      57 mins ago

      Then does Matt Shaw go back to triple A ? They really don’t need a 3B. I like Hayes but if the Cubs acquire him he blocks Shaw since he signed an extension a few years back. There’s like 5 years left. I don’t think the Cubs will give up on another 3B this quickly

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  22. dajuba

    1 hour ago

    If a team with a comp pick calls in the next couple of days and they have a top 25 prospect they’re willing to include, let’s say a team like the Tigers, I think the Pirates should listen, other then that I think it’s an offseason move.

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  23. bhambrave

    1 hour ago

    I wonder how many of the Yes votes are just people wanting Keller to be traded to their team, not people who think it would be best for the Pirates?

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  24. Logjammer D'Baggagecling

    1 hour ago

    Jed, go get Mitch Keller and David Bednar. Give the pirates cash to pay for Keller’s remaining contract. Then send them Kevin Alcantara. Then go get Seth Lugo and Carlos Estrvez from the royals.

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  25. highflyballintorightfield

    59 mins ago

    I hope the Pirates keep Keller. I would be nice if Pirates management and fans didn’t consider the team’s main role to be as a provider of players to other teams.

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    • greatwhiteangus

      50 mins ago

      Well, they aren’t. There hasn’t been a big number of ex Pirates that became good, much less great, after leaving the Bucs. You can count them on two hands since 2012

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  26. hebrewhammer

    55 mins ago

    The problem with the article and certainly with this exercise is that it assumes that should the Pirates trade Keller (or anyone really) then the money that was allocated to that player would then be reallocated to another – in this case a hitter more capable than most if not all of those currently on the roster. History, however, teaches us that the owner – Nutting – is not playing a zero sum game. He spends less today than he did 10 years ago – and that’s just based on straight numbers, not accounting for the past 10 years of inflation. His $100 (about) million dollar payroll of the mid to late 2010s is more than his $80 million dollar payroll now by far more than the simple $20 million dollar difference. He spends money only because he has to. He prefers to make a nice tidy annual profit, which he can do with a losing team. Sure, he could spend more, maybe have a winning team, but maybe make a smaller profit. While he might make even more thru increased ticket sales, match sales, etc., he might not. He is risk adverse, so he won’t do it. He has proven that for 20 years. He said early on, once the team turns the corner, the spending will go up. The team did, but the spending never happened, and the three year run of very good teams ended. Unless and until Nutting sells or undergoes a massive personal transformation and realizes that owning a sports team is a public trust, whether the Pirates trade Keller or anyone else is a discussion about nothing. When the public supports a team with a publicly financed stadium it is a trust. But because that trust is never memorized in the deals to build stadiums, it is not a legal trust but just an empty unenforceable promise. And when the owner has no plans to follow through with the promise, you end up with ongoing mediocrity. I’ve been a fan of the team since birth – literally my mom went into labor at Forbes Field. Nutting has ruined my love of my team and in part my love of the game itself.

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  27. Bruce wulff

    54 mins ago

    The cubs would not be giving up on Shaw. They just need another infielder because what they currently have are weak. The cubs could also move Shaw back to 2nd if they move Horner in the off season. I also believe Horner has an expiring contract so we’ll see.

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  28. cheapseater

    40 mins ago

    No management needs to spend more. It’s a travesty that two of the best ballparks in MLB are occupied by low spending teams, Pirates and Marlins. It’s a stain on the game.

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  29. joew

    39 mins ago

    All depends on what the return would be. A single semi sure thing to be league average prospect and or a pair of pretty good prospects to get the ball rolling 50-55s at least.

    Wouldn’t hurt to keep him or most others much. Team just needs some offense. If you can get that by trading Keller that’s fine but if not, hold and see what happens between now and spring

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  30. RichardJarzynka

    38 mins ago

    They should trade ANYBODY in the organization if the trade makes the team better.

    Reply

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