The Pirates will be deadline sellers yet again, which should be clear to anyone who takes a glance at their 32-50 record and -68 run differential. There’d been hope earlier in the year among some fanbases that Pittsburgh would even weigh the merits of trading ace Paul Skenes for what would perhaps have to be the richest trade return in history, but GM Ben Cherington has publicly quashed speculation on that front. Outside of Skenes, however, it seems the Bucs will be broadly open for business. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic and Jon Heyman of the New York Post have both reported within the past 18 hours that Skenes and franchise icon Andrew McCutchen — who has repeatedly stated since his return to Pittsburgh a few years ago that he has no desire to play elsewhere — are the only two big leaguers who are seen as off the table.
That seemingly puts not only the expected trade candidates in play (e.g. Andrew Heaney, David Bednar, Dennis Santana, Isiah Kiner-Falefa, etc.), but also more controllable names like center fielder Oneil Cruz and longtime stars like outfielder Bryan Reynolds and right-hander Mitch Keller, both of whom signed an extension within the past two years. The Bucs surely aren’t going to move top prospect Bubba Chandler, but the majority of their major league roster could at least be discussed.
Keller stands as one of the most interesting names to watch, not just on the Pirates, but around the league as a whole. The former second-rounder is in the second season of a five-year, $77MM contract and being paid $15MM this year. He’s owed $16.5MM in 2026, $18MM in 2027 and $20MM in 2028. That’s a steep cost for the low-payroll Pirates but affordable for many clubs, particularly given the increasing prices of free-agent pitching on the open market.
The 29-year-old Keller isn’t an ace but was thought to have No. 2-3 starter upside in his days as a top prospect. He’s settled in a step below that, regularly giving the Bucs plenty of innings and an ERA in the low 4.00s with quality rate stats. The 2025 season is no exception. Keller is sitting on a 4.02 ERA in 94 innings. He’s averaged just under six frames per start this season. His 18.5% strikeout rate is a career-low, but Keller’s 6.1% walk rate is excellent and his 45.5% ground-ball rate is strong. Keller’s velocity is down a touch, sitting 93.9 mph in 2025 after averaging 94.4 mph in 2024 and 95.2 mph in 2023, but he’s picking up steam as the season goes along. He sat 93.5 mph in March/April but has averaged 94.1 mph since the calendar flipped to May, for instance.
The current version of Keller would draw plenty of interest even if he weren’t to make any gains with a new club, though teams around the league could well hope that Keller is the latest premier starter to thrive upon being traded away from the Pirates. Gerrit Cole, Tyler Glasnow and Joe Musgrove have all gone on to enjoy top-of-the-rotation success upon being traded by Pittsburgh. Keller, a former top prospect with a 6’3″, 212-pound frame who’s shown flashes of greater bat-missing potential — he struck out 25.5% of his opponents in 2023 — could prove tantalizing, particularly in a market that’s thin on pitching.
Rosenthal suggests that with Pirates not enjoying the attendance increase they likely expected at the time Keller was extended — the Bucs were hopeful of emerging from their rebuild at that point, but injuries and downturns from young players have scuttled that thought — the right-hander and his increasing salary could be more likely to move. Heyman suggests that a Keller trade isn’t as likely due to what’ll surely be a steep asking price.
Given the dearth of starters on the trade market and the deep stock of young arms the Pirates have cultivated, it does seem there’s a real chance to cash in on Keller. Skenes is already cemented as the Pirates’ ace. Jared Jones will miss this season but hopefully return in the first half of 2026. Chandler will debut this summer, and the list of rotation candidates beyond that trio include Braxton Ashcraft, Mike Burrows, Thomas Harrington, Hunter Barco, Bailey Falter (if he’s not traded) and the currently injured Johan Oviedo. Additional arms could join that contingent within the next five weeks, as the Pirates will be adding various new prospects and/or young big leaguers via a series of trades.
A trade of Reynolds would be more difficult to engineer. The 30-year-old is signed through 2030 but is currently scuffling through his least-productive season since the shortened 2020 campaign. In 330 plate appearances, Reynolds carries a tepid .233/.303/.372 batting line — 14% worse than average production, by measure of wRC+. That’s not what a team would want from any player, of course, but it’s magnified by his seven-year, $100MM contract extension, which stands as the largest deal in franchise history.
Reynolds, however, is still hitting the ball on the screws; in fact, he’s hitting the ball harder than ever before. This year’s 91.5 mph average exit velocity and 48.1% hard-hit rate are career-highs. His 10.7% barrel rate is just barely shy of his career-best 11.1% in 2023 — a season in which he produced a much more robust .263/.330/.460 output and slugged 24 homers. Reynolds is hitting just .600 on line-drives this year, and while “just .600” sounds like a ridiculous statement, the league-average on liners is .705 and his career mark entering the year was .697.
It’s not all bad luck driving his downturn at the plate. Reynolds’ 25.8% strikeout rate is a career-high in a 162-game season, although even that’s a bit misleading. The switch-hitter’s 11.6% swinging-strike rate and 25.1% chase rate on pitches off the plate both stand as the second-best marks of his career. His 72.6 mph bat speed, per Statcast, is actually his highest mark since that stat began being tracked in 2023. Reynolds isn’t punching out more because he’s expanding the zone or because he’s no longer capable of catching up to velocity; he’s simply swinging less, particularly within the strike zone, which seems more correctable than a decline in bat speed or erosion of plate discipline.
Reynolds is being paid $12MM this season and has five years and $76MM left on his contract thereafter. He hit decently in May before falling back into a slump, but Reynolds has shown some signs of life with eight hits (three doubles) over his past four games. If he can keep building up momentum, it’s possible a well-timed hot streak and this year’s gaudy batted-ball metrics will generate some interest. Still, his contract contains a limited six-team no-trade clause, and while we saw Rafael Devers shipped out just a few weeks ago, it’s nonetheless exceedingly rare to see a player traded when he has this much time left on a guaranteed contract.
Cruz, 26, is the other name who is notable by his absence from Pittsburgh’s list of purportedly untouchable players. He long rated as one of the organization’s top prospects and one of the top prospects in the entire sport. He posted monster numbers in April and hit decently in May before falling into an awful slump this month. Cruz carried a .230/.347/.481 batting line into June but has cratered with a .148/.247/.210 line this month. He’s now hitting .205/.317/.398 on the season.
It’s an unexciting line, but Cruz has some of the loudest tools in the game. He’s a towering 6’7″, 240 pounds and offers explosive athleticism. Cruz is 26-for-29 in stolen base attempts this season and has swatted 13 home runs. He’s averaging a ridiculous 96 mph off the bat with a 22% barrel rate and a 56.7% hard-hit rate. Only Aaron Judge has a higher barrel rate. Only Shohei Ohtani, Kyle Schwarber and James Wood have better hard-hit rates. No one in MLB has a higher average exit velocity or higher bat speed.
There are major hit tool concerns, evidenced by this year’s 33% strikeout rate and Cruz’s career 31.9% mark. However, Cruz is walking at a stout 13.5% clip as well and has actually reduced his chase rate and swinging-strike rate over last year’s levels. Like Reynolds, he’s swinging far less often this season; Cruz swung at 46.2% of the pitches he saw last year (and 61.3% of the strikes he saw) compared to just 40.7% in 2025 (and 55.9% of the strikes he’s seen). The team’s overall swing rate on pitches within the zone from 2024 to 2025 is virtually unchanged, but for whatever reason, Cruz and Reynolds have taken up much more passive approaches — ostensibly to their detriment.
Cruz has gone from a poor-fielding shortstop to a passable center field defender while learning his new position on the fly at the big league level. His plus-plus speed and elite arm strength — he not-so-shockingly leads all big leaguers in arm strength as well, per Statcast — lend themselves well to center field. It wouldn’t be at all surprising if he emerged as a plus defender there as he gains experience. Cruz was benched earlier this week for failing to run out a grounder that someone with his speed should easily have been able to beat, resulting in an inning-ending double play, but he said after the game that he’d lost track of the number of outs. Cruz took fault for the situation and said he supported manager Don Kelly’s decision to lift him from the game (link via the Associated Press).
Even if Cruz’s recent struggles persist, the asking price in a trade would presumably be enormous. Players with this type of tool set simply don’t come around often. Add in that he’s controllable via arbitration for three years after the current season, and Pittsburgh would need a substantial return to consider parting ways with him. The upside on Cruz is so great that it’s hard to see the Pirates actually trading him, but he’ll be a fascinating long-shot target for teams seeking center field help.
There are plenty of other trade candidates to consider. Lefty relievers Caleb Ferguson and veteran infielder/outfielder Adam Frazier are on a cheap one-year deals and could be moved. The Bucs would likely love to shed the four years and $36MM owed to third baseman Ke’Bryan Hayes beyond the current season. He’s still an elite defender, but chronic back problems that developed after he signed his $70MM extension have severely sapped his production at the plate.
Free Skenes!
Few untouchable players…but for one.
Is there a stat for the most tough-luck loses by a starting pitcher? If there were, Skenes is positioned well to go for that.
He’d still be trailing Keller, at least for now.
Shelby miller 2015 – 6-17, 3.0 era
There probably is, but what I can tell you is that Skenes is right now the second starting pitcher ever and the first since Ed Siever on the 1902 Detroit Tigers to have an ERA+ over 190 and a W% below .500 in at least 15 starts.
I mean, when was the last trade deadline when the title to this article wasn’t true?
Kudos for using ‘quashed’ instead of ‘squashed’.
I aim to please.
Someone is going to get Cruz for cheap. The Pirates are done with him.
For what? A bag of balls? Nobody wants this head case. Lousy skills and poorer attitude.
Umm… yes? Correct? Like I said, someone is going to get him for cheap.
Nah, the Hayes contract is going with Cruz. When in Pittsburgh, think like the Nutting.
Lousy skills?? Worst take
You must be thinking of Elly de la Cruz, the guy in Cincinnati who has MLB caliber tools. The Cruz in Pittsburgh is a stiff.
Why are we acting like Cruz wasn’t a good hitter in 2024, and up until the last 2 weeks. Plus he’s started to look a lot better in CF.
I’d take that bet. It will take A LOT to get Cruz
I wish there was a laughing emoji available
Boy, if this isn’t MLBTR in a nutshell when making excuses about Oneil Cruz….especially by this writer.
5….FIVE….paragraphs were written about this player. He’s referred to as a “prospect”. He’s 26 years old. Played a little in 2021 and 2023. But he had about half a season in 2022, and played fulltime in 2024 and now 2025. He’s 26 years-old. When does he stop being a “prospect”?
And all those paragraphs noting eyepopping ancillary statistics comparing him to the best hitters in the sport. What nonsense. Ready —> Oneil Cruz is a crummy major league baseball player. In fact, he hurts his team in multiple ways. Bottom Line regarding the stats —> He has a lifetime ML wRC+ of 105! Just above league average. Then we have to factor in that he can’t play defense consistently; and with all due respect to his running fast and stealing bases he’s not a particularly good baserunner. Add in that he’s high-maintenance and sets a terrible example for his teammates because there’s nothing at all professional in how he conducts himself.
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The big story in MLB this year has been the realization that the ever-evolving analytics are now totally overused. The collapse of first the Orioles and now the Red Sox is due to FO heads that don’t have enough baseball understanding and common sense to realize that trying to compete for a division title with a bunch of highly-touted “prospects” that don’t play fundamental team baseball is difficult. And having little veteran leadership in the clubhouse and on the field to bring those youngsters along makes it impossible.
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I’ve written this stuff about Cruz for 3 years, and wrote in the off-season that the Orioles would be sellers at the 2025 deadline. And it’s not that I’m so smart….anyone that has played the sport and was coached in it saw the same thing.
Many franchise owners need to find baseball people and minimize the use of stats. The Rays don’t win every year (I wrote the first week of the season that they were the most underrated team in MLB) because they’re analytic gurus. Sure they use the information. But every single year they have good pitching – which is the name of the game – and they have it because it’s defense supports pitchers…..not how many runs the offense gets them. And every year the Rays have 2 veteran Catchers to handle the pitching staff, 2 gold-glove caliber SS’s, and 2 CF’s that are ballhawks. That’s fundamental baseball! It works.
if they were done with him he’d either be playing at Indy or benched and neither are likely to happen
But they’re doing so well. You’d think they would want to keep everybody. LOL
Perpetual rebuild at this point. Haven’t had a successful season since, 2018 I think? It’s been a while…
They are just rebuilding their rebuild.
You also need to “reimagine success”.
But GMBC just said he believes this team can win in 2025! The best move they could make this year is not bringing back GMBC. Been a train wreck
From 2021 through 2024, the Pirates spent about $77 million on free agents (completed, non-shortened season contracts). Their combined bWAR was only 8.2 and fWAR was 10.7. They spent about $9.4 million per bWAR and $7.2 million per fWAR. On average, 1 WAR=about $8-9 million. So not only are they cheap, but Ben Cherington has been very inefficent with the little money he has.
What the H is BC supposed to say??? That his team stinks??? That he needs to tear it all down???
Chances are BC is on his way out since hes selling his house near Pitt.
Apparently he was moving closer to Pittsburgh, but yeah. I don’t get the anger over Ben Cherington basically saying he has confidence in his players. Though I think he knows the sort of team he has on his hands isn’t a good one, at least when it comes to hitting, even if he won’t come out publically and say that.
Plus he is responsible for the entire team in terms of trades and free agent signings.
If BC didn’t show confidence in the players, he’d be laughed out of town
Don’t worry mccutchen no other team wanted you anyway lmao
Ok, he’s been above league average and is well liked around the league.
His defense is horrible his bat is barely even league average. He’s a below average bench bat.
Could maybe help Detroit or San Fran.
McCutchen has a .744 OPS. League average is .712. Teams will be interested.
How many times you gonna be wrong today?
Yet he has 2000+ hits among other notable stats. While I agree that he is at the sunset of his career, he is still productive on a comparable basis. And how many big league hits do you have?
Would love to see him join Detroit for a playoff push
Your comment is as lazy as Cruz’ defense.
He is hitting .319/.390/.444 against lefthanded pitching, I would love to have him back on the Phillies. He says he only wants to play for the Pirates but he really looked like he had fun playing for the Phillies.
yes, no one would want a potential future hall of famer who has hit over 439 doubles, 327 homers, 2200+ hits, has drawn more than 1100 walks and has been awarded an MVP trophy
1-Not a HOF
2-No one cares what he did ten years ago. But he can play some. I wouldn’t mind him in Boston just for the fun factor.
I don’t believe that Skenes is untouchable. While the Pirates pitching is middle of the road solid, their lineup is 4 or 5 bats from being even mediocre. They only have one regular with an above average OPS+ or wRC+ and only IKF is on pace to be a 2.0 or MLB average player overall. The only way that they ever become a decent team is to trade away the one guy that will being back multiple MLB ready talents.
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The Pirates get a compensatory draft pick after this year if Skenes finishes top 3 in NL CY Young voting. He’s well on his way to that. That same stipulation applies to next year as well. The Pirates won’t seriously entertain offers on Skenes until after 2026
Just curious Ronky Donk, how do the Pirates qualify for Compensatory pix based on Skenes’ CY status?
It’s part of the prospect promotion incentives in the last CBA. It applies to MVP awards as well. The Royals are getting a compensatory pick in this year’s draft because Witt finished 2nd in MVP voting last year
That’s so not true Skenes isn’t eligible for an extra pick he’s not a rookie and they didn’t get one for him last year because he didn’t start with the team and they didn’t call him up in the first two weeks. They lost of a year of control of Skenes with nothing to show for it because despite the later call up he still won rookie of the year. Hope that helps.
You’re right, I thought that only applied to ROTY voting. I’ve heard this sentiment parroted on multiple podcasts this year so I assumed it was true. In fairness, the PPI structure is unnecessarily convoluted
True, but will that compensatory draft pick even make it to the bigs by the time Skenes walks (runs) away?
It’s doubtful that the owner would allow Skenes to be traded, at least not yet
Very few untouchables? More like very few tradeables! Was this a serious article?
I don’t understand the logic of trading bats for bats. BRey isn’t an elite bat but he is not going to command a return of a markedly better bat. Same with Cruz. The Pirates need hitting and to trade our only mediocre hitting talent for others likely mediocre hitting talent or even prospects whom the Pirates organization has shown no ability to develop makes no sense.
The only people on the table should be our pitchers cause we have enough to make up for whoever we sell, glove-first players like Hayes and Triolo (though we’ll likely get beans for both), and rentals who we won’t resign at the end of the year anyway. Reynolds and Cruz (in addition to Skenes and Chandler) should be untouchable.
Nutting pocketed $69 million in profit last year. He has no reason to sell or invest money into the team when he’s making this kind of dough. As long as he owns the team, this will continue to be a moribund team with zero chance of winning the division let alone a World Series. His team, his money.
Agree, but DK said that Nutting lost $2MM in 2024.
Sorry but there isn’t a sarcasm font here.
The numbers have been disputed, but Nutting is just the head of the serpent of owners that stepped in to buy the Pirates when they were bankrupt. The group kept the team in Pittsburgh at a price. How many of that owner group want to invest more in the players versus profiting from their investment? Heck, how many of that owner group are still in the red on their investment? Anyone know?
Nutting bought out most if not all of the minority owners after they refused an equity call at the end of the McClatchy era, when the team couldn’t borrow any more to make payroll.
Realistically, trading Skenes could move you from the rough path you’re currently on and inject an absolute cornucopia of talent back into your organization. At the same time though, letting go of this level of talent in Skenes is not something to be done lightly, you have to be absolutely sure of the return you would get.
The pirates aren’t going to resign him and (unless God looks down on Pittsburgh) won’t win a World Series with him, the pirates could get a Soto-like return and be like the nationals right now
Yeah, and where are the Nationals right now? They have 1 more win, and only two fewer losses than the Pirates do going into today, and their farm system ranked about middle of the pack entering this year, right around where the Pirates also were. Their rebuild is going just as good as the Pirates’ are right now, but at least they got a ring from their last core.
The problem is finding a contender with enough prospects, plus having to have faith that the trade could lead to a proper rebuild. You’ll get 3-4 very good prospects, but you need a lot more.
For my part as an O’s guy I would love to deal for Skenes, realistically this year is a wash for us barring a miracle though. I imagine we still have enough prospects to get a deal done, but with our front office currently they really do not seem to entertain trades involving said prospects even if Skenes is not a rental as he hits free agency in 2030.
Scruff-The O’s are one of very few teams that have the prospect capital..but guarantee it’d take something like Mayo, Kjerstad, and 3 of their top 5 prospects to raise eyebrows for the Pirates.
Highly doubt the O’s would be willing to do that though.
O’s don’t have the prospects to get it done for Skenes. You’d have to start with Gunnar and then add about 3 more to get it done, and it still wouldn’t happen.
I was thinking about it as an Os fan even know I know this is made up land. Holliday and Gunnar probably untouchable. Starts with Basallo. Os #1 and MLB #15. Then probably two major league ready guys like Cowser and Mayo. Then next top hitting and pitching prospect which is probably Bradfield and McDermott
I would do that but prob not enough quality for Pittsburgh though 3 top prospects and 2 major league ready guys is quite a haul
Gorav-If I’m the Pirates, I’d do Basallo, Cowser, Mayo, Bradfield, and McDermott.
That gets them set at C, 1b, and OF for the foreseeable future.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
guarantee it’d take something like Mayo, Kjerstad, and 3 of their top 5 prospects
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I think those two guys time has come and gone. It would have to start with Holliday. Or trade Gunnar and switch Holiday back to SS. That might require a 3rd team since Gunnar’s service time is limited.
Joe, it would be an absolute SHOCK if the O’s were willing to give up Henderson or Holliday. I assume those two are completely and totally untouchable.
It’s robbing Peter to pay Paul at best.
A better plan is to hope a core of Skenes, Chandler, and Griffin can provide top shelf talent. And then supplement those 3 with above average players like Jones, Cruz, Reynolds, Gonzales, Horowitz, Ashcraft, and Falter. Then trade Keller, Bednar, and other pitching depth to get productive position players at 3B and LF.
Maybe, just maybe, there’s a path to contention there.
Scott-Cruz is nowhere near “above average”.
But in baseball, you can never be sure. Top picks bust; last round picks/international FAs/rule5 signings shine.
Ferguson would attract some interest for sure. A veteran lefty and still only 28 years old.
The Pirates should have ZERO untouchable players.
If you’re going to trade Cruz and Keller, you might as well trade Skenes. This offense is so devoid of any potential, and trading the one guy in the Major Leagues right now that has shown he can do something with the bat basically means you’re giving up if you ask me. If you trade Keller, it has to be for a somewhat proven MLB bat, like Wilyer Abreu, or something like that. Keller has been one of the most durable pitchers in baseball the last few years, and does so with solid numbers. Only 14 pitchers since 2022 have both at least 600 IP and a 100+ ERA+.
Cruz for LF and Keller for the Pads’ rotation… what gets it done, mlb1225? Shouldn’t be a cost-prohibitive trade, prospect wise… but overly curious what Pittsburgh fans think.
Me personally, the Pirates have to get back a MLB-ready top position player prospect for Keller, at the very least. If not, you’re basically forefitting the rest of the next 2 seasons by getting even Leo
De Vries, which I doubt the Padres want to move.
ZERO chance they move de Vries. He’s about the only untouchable for the Pads in the minors.
The Os don’t have much of fair value for position players unless Pitt is willing to try Coby Mayo at 3rd. That’s his spot but hes probably gonna end up at 1st or dh. The other match would be with Krejstad or Cowser but both outfielders. Mounty plays 1st but hes not close enough in value. I don’t think Os would give up Westburg for Keller. Def not Gunnar or Holliday. Pitt could get Urias which doesn’t sound like much but man all that dude does is hit and plays a mean defense
No no no no. No more long term contracts that kill roster flexibility. Haven’t Padres fans learned that yet. Especially pitchers.
Long term contract? Does Keller for 4 years qualify as long-term? I think it’s the perfect contract for the Pads to take on to limit the prospect return for Pitt.
4 years? Yes. 3 years max for starters. 2 years max for pen. Preferably 1. Position players no more than 3. Do we have to live through another Hosmer, Myers, Bogaerts, Cronenworth, Darvish, Peralta , Matsui, Musgrove and Machado monster contracts every season? When things blow up, which they do, can’t get out from under them. None of these contracts are tradeable. And are overpriced.
Let the record show that in an era where we have teams pacing to be the worst of all time on an annual basis, the Pirates are still the most disgracefully run franchise in the game
Rockies, man.
Beat us to it. I don’t think there’s a good argument for any team other than Colorado
Great, we’re better than teams like the Rockies, White Sox, and A’s: 3 teams who have had historically bad seasons each of the last 3 years, and 1 who moved out of town. What a high bar to set.
But remember the Bucs and A’s in the 70’s? Fun baseball! It’s a different business now.
mlb1225
Great, we’re better than teams like the Rockies, White Sox, and A’s:
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Wait, I don’t think anyone concede the A’s. You win over the Rox and the WS because both teams are larger (should that be bigger or larger) markets?
The A’s aren’t that badly run.
The Rockies are undoubtedly a dumpster fire as well but at the very least they try to sign free agents. Even if they give big contracts to the wrong players. Coors Field also makes in hard to develop pitchers and attract free agent pitchers. The Pirates have no excuse other than an owner who only cares about his own financial well being
Honestly, I just said there’s no good argument for me, but this would probably be the closest to one. Like, there’s something to be said about Rockies ownership thinking they can win, right? They actually push their chips in, even if it goes terribly.
One thing I’ll say for the Pirates, any time they are remotely in contention, they will make multiple moves at the trade deadline to improve their team.
Annual ritual for Pirates.
“Cruz has gone from a poor-fielding shortstop to a passable center field defender”
Is this true? I don’t watch him every day but every time I see a clip of him playing CF, he’s taking a bad route or giving a lackluster effort to get to a ball. His arm is great but as far as actually fielding the position, I don’t know. Any Pirates fans want to weigh in?
Last year, he looked like a Gold Glover in September, first month of 2025, he looked like he never played baseball, now he’s been okay. FanGraphs recently wrote a great article on his defense in CF. I think he was pressing at the start of the year. You could tell he was trying to make dazzling catches on things he had no business trying to do that on, or trying to throw the ball before he got it in his glove. He slowed things down and he’s been better off with it,
blogs.fangraphs.com/oneil-cruz-looks-like-a-center…
Thank you for this info and for the article!
I think what you see as lackluster effort might be true and probably is at times, but his speed and loping stride may just give the impression of lack of effort.
I see that someone in this comment section has claimed – without any supporting evidence – that the Pirates made a $69 million profit in 2024.
This thorough, four-month long investigation of the Pirates finances found that they LOST money last season and that their owner did NOT make a profit:
dkpittsburghsports.com/team/site-stuff/feed?page=0…
That DK report has been debunked
Truth is, no one knows. The truth is probably somewhere in between. If they had the local TV income of tge Yankees or Dodgers then that claim probably holds more water…or cash in this instance.
Except the Bucs get a nice portion of the Yankees and Dodgers revenue, local tv included.
The investigation by Kovacevic included revenue sharing money that the Pirates received. Even after that, they lost money.
That the Pirates lost money is preposterous. If he’s losing money there is one easy solution, sell the team. I mean who would want an investment that loses money? Right?
DK’s report has been disproven countless times, most notably by the Athletic’s Stephen Nesbitt and Ken Rosenthal back in Feburary 2024. Just last month, Bob Nightengale reported that “The Pittsburgh Pirates, according to information received by the players union and confirmed by several owners, are one of the most profitable teams in all of baseball, stashing a huge chunk of their revenue sharing monies instead of investing in their team year after year,”” Forbes also reported a plus profit for the Pirates in 2024, at $324 million, which was only $2 million less than the Arizona Diamondbacks with an Opening Day payroll approaching $190 million, along with the Minnesota Twins ($145 mil. OD payroll), Detroit Tigers ($144 mil. OD Payroll), Cincinnati Reds ($117 million OD payroll), and Washington Nationals ($115 million OD payroll). The Pirates’ OD Payroll was under $100 million.
Sources:
forbes.com/mlb-valuations/list/#header:revenue
nytimes.com/athletic/5286289/2024/02/21/pirates-lo…
si.com/mlb/pirates/news/pittsburgh-pirates-rank-on…
None of the organizations that you cited did the thorough four-month-long investigation that Kovacevic did.
Nesbill and Rosenthal could not possibly have disproven the findings of Kovacevic’s investigation in February 2024. Kovacevic’s investigation hadn’t even begun at that time and wasn’t concluded until February 2025.
Nightengale says he talked with the Player’s Union and some team owners, both of which entities have a biased interest in stating that the Pirates made a profit.
And yet, you’ve provided 1 article from a reporter that’s been extremely unreliable.
No way did the Pirates make $324 million in profit.
read it again
Pretty sure the $324 was revenue not income.
This always gets brought up but I don’t buy it. He writes this:
“All other costs, including administration, staff, travel, development, draft, international, stadium ops, analytics and way more: $171.7 million”
But doesn’t break it down or describe how he arrived at these figures other than “research” and “interviews”. Nutting is 100% making a profit in my opinion and that doesn’t even account for the unrealized franchise valuation rising should he eventually sell. If the Pirates are actually spending $171.7 million to run the team, not including team payroll, I’ll eat my hat.
We have your opinion vs. the findings of a four-month-long investigation of the Pirates finances done by someone who expected to find that the Pirates were making a handsome profit and has criticized ownership in the past.
His four month long investigation resulted in like ten skimpy paragraphs without any itemization of the Pirates spending. You can continue to believe it. I will need to see actual evidence. For example, how much of the $171.7 million was spent on “administration”? “development”? “stadium ops”? These are extremely nebulous terms that could mean anything. The guy who did the investigation looks like he just took everything at face value and didn’t dig deep into anything.
This is the same DK who still believes the Steelers are going to actually get a 2nd wr. He is a corporate shill
@rtc It’s DK, he’s published embelished stuff countless times without any deeper digging or waiting for more sufficent information. Not to mention he’s known to be an a-hole to his employees/writers.
@mlb1225: Thanks again for the context as above. I’m unfamiliar with this reporter but his article is too superficial for my tastes, especially since he is making a major claim and doesn’t cite his sources.
Every article on whether the Pirates/Nutting are making a profit or are losing money is superficial and lacks evidence. Sorry, but people are arguing about something for which they cannot provide evidence to support only projections, anonymous sources, and so on.
Yeah, how much of that 171.7 million is ownership pre-paid dividends?
The article states that it has been verified many times that the owner does not pay himself a salary or take a dividend.
Operations of a major league stadium are going to be similar from market to market. Some variance due to taxes, and employee wages/demand. Travel should be similar as requirements are set by the players union. The major difference is in the money coming in. Market size determines media revenue for game rights and advertising. If you want a good approximation of spending to operate, look at Atlanta. They are the only open book. Once you find their amount, you can estimate why Pittsburgh costs should be higher or lower.
You forgot a boatload of expenses including debt servicing. One can’t assume that the other expenses are similar across teams especially the debt servicing.
That’s a DK article. Take it with ALL the grains of salt
DK is a joke. I don’t believe his “thorough investigation” at all. One of the worst sports media members in a town full of terrible sports media members. He should stick to hockey, where he has some feel for the sport.
Nobody else has done an investigation as thorough as Kovacevic’s.
But the Nutting-haters have been hating Nutting for so long that it has become a part of their identities. Their self-images must reject the fact that Pittsburgh has been a bad market for baseball for half a century. The mere thought is perceived by them as a personal attack.
You can choose to believe DK’s investigation. Maybe he actually did do a thorough job. But he has a horrible reputation, both in terms of his reporting and his treatment of emplyoees and writers. Personally, I find it hard to believe a guy who has embelished stories multiple times before, and has had workers speak out agianst his mistreatment.
I would very much suggest reading more into DK’s credibility, and the problems he’s had in the past. He’s spotty at best, and completley unreliable at worst. On top of that, if this is the only article that suggests the Pirates are not making a profit, I’d do more research. 1 article from a reporter who’s credibility isn’t his best trait is not enough proof to convince people.
The “fact” that Richard continues to take one single, solitary report as “fact” says all you need to know.
Any person who relies on only one source of evidence to substantiate their opinion is simply asking to be made a fool of.
DK Sports is not a credible source even though they wrote that article
I would believe Mark Maddon over them and the latter is equally as unreliable
Counterpoint… who would want most of them?
Mitch Keller is on pace for a 4.1 WAR and is signed to a long-rem contract and the Pirates have prospects ready to replace him. He will, therefore, be very much in demand.
David Bednar has returned to his 2023 performance, when he was an elite closer, and he is signed through next season. He will be very much in demand.
Left-handed starting pitcher Andrew Heaney, left reliever Caleb Ferguson, and SS Isiah Kiner-Falefa will all draw interest and be traded before the deadline.
Skenes is a no brainer, but Cruz would bring back some serious interest and Keller will be in demand. Bednar would be wanted. IKF and Heaney will get attention because their contracts are up. Falter would also be in demand.
If Nutting really cares about winning, he’ll only let BC trade impending FA’s this summer, then replace him immediately after season, and let the new GM make bigger trades next winter.
This is what I want to believe, but know I can’t with full confidence.
Skenes should have pulled an Eli Manning and refused to play for Pittsburgh when he was drafted. Their fan base must be going crazy. They have done nothing since the Bonds years, and even then, that was during the Braves dynasty. I still think the Mets have the prospects to go in all in Skenes.
That’s really dumb. Good luck telling a 21-year-old not to sign what at the time was the largest signing bonus in MLB draft history because ‘the team is ran poorly.’
Also he wouldn’t let BC work this year’s draft even though his team has done really well on the pitching end of the prospects.
I wouldn’t want BC trading or drafting he needs to be fired. He sucks at signing free agents
Skenes probably gets traded when he’s got 2 years of arbitration control, that’s my guess. Hopefully that when that trade happens, Pirates get good prospects back, and actually be quality MLB players…
Braves should trade for Cruz, send Harris down to AAA.
Next season you can rework Cruz in as a SS or simply play him in LF and let Profar DH
Except Cruz doesn’t want to be a left fielder (or a right fielder) so there’s that. But maybe for a different team? Devers?
Everyone is available except the one guy people want. I guess they could trade Dennis Santana for some team’s #5 prospect but that’s not going to make a splash. Does Mitch Keller have much trade value? I think his contract looks reasonable, but not a great bargain.
Keller is making less than $20 million and is pretty much a guarenteed 30+ starts with an average or better ERA. That’s absoultley a bargain in today’s market.
A bargain I think. In Pittsburgh, Keller has been pitching from behind. Put him in a situation where he has run support, I suspect he can and will do a lot better than #4 or 5. He has stuff.
I just hope Bob Nutting has come to terms with the sort of legacy he’s leaving for himself and his family in Pittsburgh. His name will forever be tarnished in this city, and I hope he’s happy with that.
It will be tarnished even more, with those who irrationally hate him, when he rightfully moves the team out of the bad market of Pittsburgh as the lease on PNC Park, which ties the team to Pittsburgh, expires after the 2030 season.
Even with how poor things are right now, I don’t think he’ll move the team out of Pittsburgh. They just put in a ton of rennovations in 2020 and 2021, including a new jumbotron, kids’ area, and a huge bar in center field. Nutting is cheap, but at least he spends it on improving the stadium, and if he truly wanted to move out, investing that much money into stadium renovations when you’re abandoning them in a decade makes zero sense.
Nutting’s children don’t want any part of the franchise and Bob has said that he will eventually sell it before he’s ready to retire
He’s 68 I believe and is worth several billion dollars already
Nutting contractually can’t move the team until at least 2030 but why would he move them?
Despite the nonsense DK wrote, Nutting is making money hand over fist
Pittsburgh is a great market for baseball, and football for that matter. Spending as little as possible while hiring subpar front office staff tends to create terribly losing baseball. Turns out fans come to the games less when teams lose more than any other team of the last 20 years.
I read your comments regularly and respect your knowledge of the team and what can be known about the business. My understanding is that ownership is a number of investors, not just Nutting. True? If so, what are those other owners’ roles in all of this?
I am not sure on the current ownership situation, all I know is that Bob is the majority owner.
I predict the Red Sox trade an outfielder and put together said unprecedented trade package for Skenes
I predict that your prediction will be wrong
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We DON’T want GM BS Fraudington being the one to trade Skenes! He got 15 prospects for Musgrove, Taillon, Bell, Frazier & Holmes… of which, only Bednar provided any value. Then he made that horrific Spencer Horriblewitz trade, sending 3 arms to Cleveland… and Ortiz may be the THIRD best pitcher he gave up! He’s got a .370 hitter at AAA & won’t give the guy a shot! Nooo… don’t even think of a Skenes trade with this joker as GM. He’ll get NOTHING in return! Fraudington’s track record speaks for itself! The only reason he still has a job is because he drafted Skenes… and that was by ACCIDENT! #firecherington
I’m not a Ben Cherington fan, but that .370 hitter is Nick Solak, a 30 year old who, aside from a good showing back in 2019 which amounted to only 153 plate appearances, has a .664 OPS since the start of 2020. The Pirates aren’t keeping down some top prospect, or a guy with at least some success in the Major Leagues. Horwitz has been doing better as of recently, and let’s not act like Ortiz is an ace. 4.30 ERA/95 ERA+ wouldn’t still be worse than Skenes, Keller, and Falter.
The Bucs have a system problem of course. Would Keller have better numbers if he weren’t always pitching from behind? Ditto for the rest of the starters. Would the better hitters be better if there were better hitters in the line up protecting them a bit more? Hayes, Keller, and Reynolds got long extensions; does that security affect them psychologically? Reynolds has a growing family; how does that affect his game? Are these even reasonable or answerable questions? It’s money, but it isn’t just money; all of these players are talented enough to play in the bigs and “put their pants on one leg at a time just like every other player”. The psychology of the clubhouse may be playing a role. Cruz not hustling is a glaring example of that.
The lack of discipline on the players began under Shelton and continues now with Kelly
Kelly also continues the Shelton policy of giving players a day off even when there’s an off day during that week
I don’t think Kelly is a better manager than Shelton was.
Crazy to let this gm make any kind of deal with any real talent
Why would mlbtr even mention Reynolds or Skenes to trade who a few years ago had no interest in resigning with the pirates unless they made some move’s improvements their team. This just goes against that and continues to make them a farm
System for the rich.
AJ Preller and Pads….buy low on Reynolds and think about the outfield of him, Merrill and Tatis for the next 5 years!
No! No more long term inflexible contracts you can’t get out of. Stop the insanity in SD.
The more times the pirates say skenes is untouchable, the more Skenes trades appear on fan sites.
I wonder why the article didn’t mention Davis. As a RS fan, he’s the guy I’d be interested in. 50% DH/50% catcher.
Skenes is the new Cole and Jones is Glasnow. The Pirates need to be wise and either lock up their star kids now if possible or move them while the value is there (Skenes now, Jones later down the road when he comes back) and seriously load up as did the Nationals with the Soto trade – which right now looks like a robbery.