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Inside the Deadline War Room: What Really Happens When GMs Make Their Moves

By Zack Scott | July 30, 2025 at 1:59am CDT

Zack Scott is a 4x World Series Champion with the Red Sox and former Mets Acting GM who applies championship leadership principles across professional sports and corporate environments. As Founder & CEO of Four Rings, he consults with teams like the 2023 World Series Champion Texas Rangers while coaching senior executives at growing companies to build winning leadership cultures. He also founded The Sports Ops Launchpad, helping aspiring sports ops pros break into the industry with a proven 20x success rate.

I’ve been in war rooms where a single phone call can change three franchises, end careers, or create legends. Most of the time, though, absolutely nothing happens.

I spent 20 consecutive years in trade deadline war rooms, including 17 with the Red Sox and one each with the Mets, Pirates, and Rangers. The reality is more mundane and less dramatic than fans probably expect.

How the War Room Works

The real work starts weeks before the deadline. For much of my career, a big part of the job was ensuring decision-makers were prepared when deals started moving. We gathered performance analyses, scouting evaluations, contract data, medical history, makeup reports, and intelligence on who was buying, who was selling, and what each team wanted.

The trade deadline has a unique rhythm. Long stretches of nothing, then everything happens at once.

You’ll sit in a conference room, which typically includes the GM, assistant GMs, scouts, analytics staff, and other baseball ops folks, for hours making small talk, going over the same reports, and waiting for phones to ring. Some GMs set up too early, and you end up with a room full of people staring at each other for weeks.

Most of the time, we’re doing exactly what fans do: refreshing MLBTR and X, hoping to catch something we missed.

But then something shifts in those final hours. Teams that were “just checking in” suddenly get serious. The pace picks up, conversations get urgent, and that’s when the real drama begins.

When Every Second Counts

People think the 6 PM deadline is just a formality. It’s not.

I’ll never forget when we traded Nomar Garciaparra. Hours of waiting, scattered conversations, then suddenly we’re in a four-team deal with the clock ticking down to the final minute.

This was the face of the franchise, with multiple teams trying to coordinate. Someone called out: “We’ve got ten minutes!” You have people on phones with different teams, trying to ensure everyone’s on the same page while the minutes disappear.

We got it done, but barely. Those kinds of deadline deals show you who can handle pressure and who can’t.

The Human Side of Historic Trades

Not every great trade comes from sophisticated analysis. Sometimes it’s about delegating and setting others up to succeed.

The Dave Roberts trade almost didn’t happen. And if it hadn’t, the 2004 Red Sox probably wouldn’t have become the first team in history to come back from down 3-0.

Theo Epstein asked an intern to research available outfielders. The initial list was terrible, but instead of dismissing it, he challenged the young staffer to think differently. That’s when the intern heard the Dodgers were trying to acquire Steve Finley. Since they already had plenty of outfield talent, maybe they’d be willing to trade away Dave Roberts. The intern rushed to Theo’s office with the idea. Within hours, we’d made the trade.

You know how that story ended—bottom of the ninth, Game 4 of the ALCS. Roberts steals second, scores the tying run, and we complete the greatest comeback in baseball history. That trade happened because Theo had created an environment where everyone’s input was valued.

When Deals Fall Apart

But not every story has a happy ending. You can get so close to a franchise-changing trade, then watch it disappear overnight.

In 2009, we had a three-team deal almost done: Adrian Gonzalez from San Diego to Seattle, Felix Hernandez from Seattle to us, and several young players, including Josh Reddick, Daniel Bard, and Justin Masterson, going to the Padres.

Seattle’s GM slept on it, then decided he couldn’t move the King. Just like that, a deal that could have changed three franchises was dead.

When Everything Gets Complicated

The complexity isn’t always about multiple teams. It can be about competing priorities and external pressure.

In 2008, we had to move Manny Ramirez. He was threatening not to play for us if we didn’t trade him. As defending champs with aspirations to repeat, we couldn’t just give away a great hitter. We needed to find another impact player to replace him.

That’s how Jason Bay entered the picture, but it required multiple teams to make it work. We had two options: get an established impact player like Bay, or ask for a prospect who wouldn’t help us immediately. At one point, we even asked the Marlins for 18-year-old Mike Stanton (now Giancarlo) straight up for Manny. That move would have hurt us immediately but helped us in the long term. That took huge stones to even consider.

The situation became a stalemate that required Commissioner Selig to mediate. We finished after the deadline, but Selig allowed it because he felt it was in the best interest of the game. We got it done: Manny to LA, Jason Bay to us, and prospects to Pittsburgh.

When I Finally Ran a War Room

When I became Acting GM at the Mets in 2021, I finally got to run a war room. After 17 years of observing various approaches, I had developed clear ideas about how to do it effectively.

I kept multiple conversations going simultaneously because more opportunities meant a better chance of finding the right deals. I also made sure we had a room packed with people, because I’d learned that good ideas can come from anywhere. But instead of letting people sit idle, I came prepared with specific questions and tasks for each staff member throughout the day.

The challenge was that we were working with incomplete information: missing projection systems, gaps in scouting reports, and limited data on our own prospects. We were trying to rebuild these systems while competing for a playoff spot.

That pressure led to trading Pete Crow-Armstrong for Javy Baez and Trevor Williams, players who made a positive short-term impact. Even with our limited information, the underlying intelligence suggested the long-term risk was higher than the expected short-term gain. But being in first place created enormous pressure to improve immediately. I chose the short-term need over long-term value, and I own that decision.

It taught me that no matter how well you structure your war room, external pressure can still override your process.

What Really Matters

A trade deadline war room is loaded with technology, including multiple screens, databases, and video systems. But here’s what I learned after 20 years. The deadline isn’t just about having the best information. It’s about creating an environment where the best ideas can come from anywhere.

The deals that change franchises often come from unexpected places. That’s what makes it electric and maddening all at once.

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  1. J.H.

    2 months ago

    Ew, I don’t need to know the intimate details when a GM makes their ‘moves.’

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    • NashvilleJeff

      2 months ago

      So…..don’t read the article.

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      • J.H.

        2 months ago

        I guess this isn’t the place for jokes… maybe I should have just made a political comment instead?

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        • cartography ponderance

          2 months ago

          I thought it was funny. But let’s go like 50 comments back and forth over which color politics we like better!

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          2 months ago

          As a Sox fan, I enjoyed the article…and learned about the almost King Feliz to Boston deal

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        • marinersfan1977

          2 months ago

          it’s a great article with some inside info that’s never been revealed! Why make it into a joke?

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        • Bart Harley Jarvis

          2 months ago

          Two Corinthians walk into a bar…

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        • J.H.

          2 months ago

          I don’t know, I like Star Wars and Spaceballs….

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        • Kermit The Frog

          2 months ago

          As a Mets fan, I learned why we’re watching our young MVP Center Fielder play for the Cubs.

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        • ba$eba||F@n21

          2 months ago

          Don’t mind him, I guess he may be a bit salty about his city still not having a team

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        • Steinbrenner2728

          2 months ago

          He seems to be an Angels fan, what do you mean by that? ba$eba||F@n21?

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        • ba$eba||F@n21

          2 months ago

          Oh okay, I didn’t read all of his posts, I was just trying to make a joke about the Nashville in the name

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        • dixoncayne

          2 months ago

          I don’t mind jokes here. I just prefer funny ones.

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        • ba$eba||F@n21

          2 months ago

          I missed the part where anyone asked you

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        • NashvilleJeff

          2 months ago

          @BaseballFan21: Don’t care if Nashville ever gets a team. I’m a Braves fan. Grew up in Atlanta and now live in Nashville. OK. troll?

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        • FenwayFanatic

          2 months ago

          I love this article

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        • ba$eba||F@n21

          2 months ago

          Troll? Not even close. I’ve been on this site for years. Read the room, it was very clear people were being facetious in the replies. You were the only one who took it seriously and said “so don’t read the article” in response to a very obvious joke. Here’s a tip – don’t take things so seriously, especially online.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 months ago

          JH – I’m all for humor, but when a guest writer puts a lot of time and effort into writing a very lengthy and insightful article, it’s gotta be disappointing for him to see the first several comments have absolutely nothing to do with the subject of the article.

          As for the article itself, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Why front offices often procrastinate until minutes before the deadline is beyond me. Maybe they get off on the pressure, but rushing to meet a deadline is never a good thing as mistakes and bad decisions are more likely to be made.

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        • cdchi

          2 months ago

          FPG
          I enjoyed the article. I would have liked to know your comments on the Manny trade LOL.
          You can have all the information ,but sometimes a great trade is about having the ballz to pull the trigger. Like the Nomar trade. Another one I would have liked to read your comments on LOL.

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        • ba$eba||F@n21

          2 months ago

          I would guess it’s a mix of various things that add up to the last minute type stuff – wanting to get the absolute best deal possible, for both parties, pressure to really nail the transactions, indecision/indecisiveness, ownership involvement, wanting to give a team right on the fence the most time they can to commit to one path or the other, scouting, possible extension negotiations prior to trading, etc.
          However, I suspect that general conversations and communication are fluid and can date back to the offseason or possibly even the season prior. Due diligence and feeling out numerous trade partners are likely also fluid, especially with a larger number of teams hanging around in the area of contention.
          Just my thoughts on the things that could impact the timeline and ultimate outcome of trades

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        • cdchi

          2 months ago

          b$21
          The author talked about extra time post deadline with the Manny trade. I wonder if there is some sort of “grace” period after a trade is made in principle . To get all the details ,money , contracts,and or certain players all the minutau.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 months ago

          cdc – I was a huge fan of Manny, but him being traded needed to be done. It was similar to the Devers trade, who BTW I’ve compared to Manny for several years.

          That whole Manny situation really, really upset me because if he stayed they’d have won another championship. He had a monster postseason that year. But the relationship between player and team was irreparable.

          Same thing with the Nomar trade, it came to a point where they needed to part. And to make matters worse, he was dealing with injury issues so they may not have won it all with him on the team.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 months ago

          cdc – Yeah that caught my attention as well. Selig and Henry were very tight, so not surprised Selig did a favor by making an exception for Henry.

          Remember the sale of the Red Sox was a total bag job, it was all Selig’s doing.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 months ago

          ba$ – The way I look at it, teams have days if not weeks to gather information and make decisions. If they don’t know by deadline day whether they will buy or sell and what they want to do, a couple extra hours won’t make a difference. It’s not like some team is gonna decide 2 hours before the deadline they want to sell.

          It’s just human nature to procrastinate. The more intelligent teams will have self-imposed deadlines well before the official deadline, thus avoiding making decisions under intense pressure.

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        • cdchi

          2 months ago

          FPG
          Manny shoving the traveling secretary because he couldn’t get him enough tickets,yeah not a good look. Tough to shake that off as ,”Manny being Manny”.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 months ago

          cdc – Yeah no doubt the roids impacted his behavior.

          There was also him refusing to swing the bat in a key pinch-hitting situation against the Yankees, taking 3 called strikes. Such a shame things ended the way it did, because he was truly the most entertaining player in my lifetime …. and that’s saying a lot when you think about all the characters on those teams.

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        • myaccount2

          2 months ago

          He got 3x the likes as the original “joke” so maybe don’t tell people how to operate on this site. Some of us think that if people are going to make jokes in the comments that they should actually be funny or face ridicule.

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        • cdchi

          2 months ago

          FPG
          I did see Sandy Alcantara pitched well again last night. That is an intriguing name.
          I’m starting to see the merit in Anthony leading off. As well as Duran finding his power stroke in the 3rd spot. It gets a little sappy listening to the NESN folk about Anthony, but it’s true. You can see it.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 months ago

          cdc – As much as NESN does overhype the players, Roman is deserving all the praise he’s getting. I said all along he’d provide a spark for the team, and he certainly has. Still ticks me off they kept him down as long as they did.

          But I’m not budging on Duran in leadoff. Ideally Roman should be batting 2nd, with Bregman 3rd, Abreu 4th, Story 5th, but they don’t want two lefties (Duran & Roman) at the top of the lineup. The thing is, Roman hits LHP well so who cares if he’s a lefty.

          For Duran to be a menace on the bases, he needs to be batting leadoff. He will never be a power hitter, but I think Roman will be.

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        • cdchi

          2 months ago

          I remember that . He did not take the bat off his shoulder. That was gross. One of the most shameful acts I have witnessed in baseball. He was a savant in the batters box. One of the few big money long-term contracts that worked out, for the most part. Ramirez/Ortiz was the Ruth/Gehrig of modern day baseball. It was fun to watch.

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        • ba$eba||F@n21

          2 months ago

          Fever – I agree, the better prepared and informed teams have their information and self imposed deadlines and such but unfortunately they are then ultimately stuck at the mercy of the more indecisive or late decision-making teams, especially if that team has a player that the team has targeted, fits perfectly within the framework of what works best for their team/roster, or if a team has one of the bigger pieces and that domino needs to fall to set everything else in motion. So even the best prepared and decisive decision makers are seemingly held up by the ones that are not in a hurry to make decisions, potentially causing somewhat of a paralysis across the industry. I guess that’s what makes it all so interesting and dramatic at times!

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 months ago

          cdc – Bregman has been scratched from today’s lineup an hour after Cora had him in there, not a good sign.

          This is the thing that really ticks me off, Toro is batting 2nd despite being in a long horrific slump. Why is Toro batting so high in the lineup? No doubt because he can bat righty. Dumb, dumb, dumb!

          Romy playing 1B despite facing a RHP, and Wong catching ….. definitely the B team today.

          Jeffers and Bader are in the lineup, Correa is not.

          Twins pitcher has a 5 ERA, let’s hope the Sox don’t throw away another win.

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        • cdchi

          2 months ago

          FPG
          Just heard on the radio that Bregman texted Cora that he could use the day off .. that is very strange.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 months ago

          cdc – Oh without question Bregman is the one who initiated the change, he’s got to be dealing with the quad. I’m sure he wants to play all 3 against his former team this weekend. Certainly the Sox should be able to win today without him.

          Or maybe him and Correa are spending the day together ;O)

          BTW – I hate the fact after this afternoon’s game I won’t be able to watch another Sox game until Saturday. 72 hours :O(

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        • medic87

          2 months ago

          Yeah, I am sure the first thing he did after this, is to go check out the comment section.. Even if he did, I am sure he has some sense of humor, unlike others here, sadly.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 months ago

          medic – It’s very common for writers to want some feedback on articles they’ve written, going to the comments section is one of the best ways to do it.

          I think most of us are here to have some fun killing time, not the same for the writers though.

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        • Pete'sView

          2 months ago

          J.H. —
          I’m glad you clarified your comment b/c this was a very interesting & informative article.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 months ago

          dewey – It was reported back in 2011, so not a big surprise.

          Probably best it didn’t happen, the last 3 years of his 7-year contract extension were really really bad.

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        • medic87

          1 month ago

          The comment section is usually a cesspool of ignorant people, if that’s where you go to get feedback about an article you wrote, than that’s a you problem.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          medic – There’s many high quality commenters here.

          I disagree with your take that all of them should just give up and allow the comments section to be overrun by ignorance. That approach is why so many great cities have been ruined, by letting the bad apples take over.

          Also keep in mind that:

          a) There’s a Mute feature here that works wonderfully

          b) The age of the commenters (both young and old) is a factor in comment quality

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        • medic87

          1 month ago

          I said “usually” was not being specific to this website, which I do enjoy.

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      • olereb

        2 months ago

        I enjoyed reading the article, did not know so many people were involved

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        • ba$eba||F@n21

          2 months ago

          Yes, it was a good read. There are usually teams of people in draft war rooms so it makes sense that it’s similar for trade deadlines, especially with analytics involved.

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    • cartography ponderance

      2 months ago

      That’s why they chose Zack Scott rather than Jared Porter

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      • angt222

        2 months ago

        Porter was hired as the Mets GM and acquired Lindor & Carrasco from CLE. He was later canned and Scott, his AGM, ran the FO thereafter.

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        • Soto should bat first.

          2 months ago

          The Lindor trade was engineered by Sandy.
          Porter’s first move was Khalil Lee for useful young pitching. Oops.

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        • Kermit The Frog

          2 months ago

          Sandy was really underrated here.

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    • towinagain

      2 months ago

      Love this article!

      Wonderful perspective!

      Ugh, this trade deadline seems like a bust so far, though.

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  2. AceKing

    2 months ago

    So, you’re saying that just anyone can do it!

    We All Knew It!

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    • DonOsbourne

      2 months ago

      I’ve always suspected that most MLB front offices relied on this comment section for guidance.

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  3. Rsox

    2 months ago

    Thank you Zack for the fascinating behind the scenes look at the trade deadline from the inside.

    Thinking of Stanton and Hernandez as possible Red Sox back then makes me wonder what could have been and how different both players careers could have gone

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    • marinersfan1977

      2 months ago

      it’s a great article, but as much as Zack thinks the Sox were close to acquiring Felix Hernandez, I have a really hard time believing that Mariners ownership would ever have agreed to trade him, regardless of the return.

      A decision to move a team icon like that is never gonna be up to the GM (Seattle GM at the time was Jack Zduriencik, then in his first season).

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      • Rsox

        2 months ago

        True, but at the time of that proposal Hernandez hadn’t reached “franchise icon” status yet. As Scott said though Jack Z. Slept on it and backed out so the rest is history.

        Stanton swinging at the monster would have been spectacular though

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        • dshires4

          2 months ago

          This isn’t true. Felix was a franchise icon within a year of being promoted. The hype around him was unreal and he had the city in the palm of him hand immediately. He was the franchise by 2008.

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  4. The Chicago Cubs

    2 months ago

    Jed hoyer and Carter Hawkins are sitting there listening to everyone else engage in trade talks. Some even say while all the gms and presidents were discussing ways to improve their teams the cubs and company were to busy dishing out contract extentions to non players! Welcome to bad baseball again! Let’s lose the central to the brewers for a 15th thousand straight season!

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    • refugee

      2 months ago

      Brilliant take (not)

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      • Paleobros

        2 months ago

        Haha, got ‘em!

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    • 16

      2 months ago

      MLBTR should take that user some away from you, you do not deserve it.

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      • The Chicago Cubs

        2 months ago

        What’s wrong? Afraid of the truth?

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        • Blue Baron

          2 months ago

          No, just lame comments with zero basis in reality or actual knowledge.

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        • The Chicago Cubs

          2 months ago

          So tell me where im incorrect? You got the brewers surging. Blatant holes in the pitching staff, bench and bullpen. Zero trades or impact signings have occurred yet and the deadline is approaching very fast. But hey everyone we extended hoyer! Maybe release that after the deadline? Tucker for smith is looking to be a complete blunder.

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        • Blue Baron

          2 months ago

          Because you have zero knowledge of what else is going on behind the scenes with 48+ hours still to go, which was the thrust of the piece.

          All you’re doing is speculating.

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        • Soto should bat first.

          2 months ago

          Afraid of trolls. Internettrollaphobia.

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        • Soto should bat first.

          2 months ago

          Byebye Cubsie.

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        • RO-MACEN

          2 months ago

          Where you’re incorrect is that by signing Hoyer’s extension it takes pressure off the Front Office and allows Hoyer not to get chased by ambulance chasers knowing that his job on the line.
          With the extension, that variable is out of play.
          Keep thinking you’re the smartest guy in the room though.

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        • Paleobros

          2 months ago

          So you’re saying it’s true that there have been at least 15 thousand seasons of MLB? I have my doubts.

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        • Blue Baron

          2 months ago

          No! He’s saying there have been 15 thousand seasons of MLB with a division called the NL Central. 🤣

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        • myaccount2

          2 months ago

          It is?? Tucker is completely outplaying Smith, who has a ton of holes in his game. Smith still has room to grow, of course, but he’s an average player as is with average results and an unexciting statcast page. Tucker, on the other hand, is a top 10 player in baseball. I don’t see this as a misstep.

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  5. baycommuter 2

    2 months ago

    This is smart and applies to many businesses. “It taught me that no matter how well you structure your war room, external pressure can still override your process.”

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    • lesterdnightfly

      2 months ago

      Cue the meddling owner wielding the pressure: Arte Moreno, Boss Steinbrenner, et al.

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  6. hiflew

    2 months ago

    If that Felix Hernandez deal happened chances are the 2013 World Series turns out differently as well. The biggest move that helped the Red Sox win the 2013 WS was the 2012 salary dump trade with the Dodgers of Carl Crawford and Josh Beckett which had Adrian Gonzalez as the centerpiece. If Adrian Gonzalez went to Seattle, that salary dump might not have happened which means the heroes of the 2013 WS like Napoli and Victorino would not have been signed in Boston.

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    • bcjd

      2 months ago

      Sure. But here’s another alternate reality. Sox acquire Hernandez in 2009, so they don’t sign Lackey before the 2010 season. Hernandez’ 8.7 bWAR nets the Sox seven more wins in 2010 than Lackey’s 1.7 bWAR. Sox win 96, which is tied for first in the AL East.

      Meanwhile, Gonzalez is in Seattle with another year of arbitration to go. Instead of letting Adrien Beltre leave in FA, the Sox sign the future HOF 3b to a long-term contract. The Sox go into 2011 with

      Beltre: 5.6 bWAR
      Hernandez: 3.6 bWAR

      Gonzalez: 6.9 bWAR
      Lackey: -1.9

      So the 2011 Sox are stronger by 4.2 games, and without Lackey perhaps they avoid the “chicken and beer” fiasco altogether.

      Francona and Epstein keep their jobs and we avoid the disaster of the Valentine era in Boston altogether. Jon Lester is signed to a reasonable extension and finishes his career in Boston.

      In 2013 we’ve got Beltre at 3rd instead of Middlebrooks, Hernandez on the mount instead of Lackey, and Beckett instead of Ryan Dempster. That’s an 8 bWAR advantage. We still sign Napoli because Youk is gone, and we still sign Victorino to replace Ellsbury.

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      • stollcm

        2 months ago

        Interesting indeed.

        But I gotta ask….how do peeps have the time of day to put that much time into a post???

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        • bcjd

          2 months ago

          I’m my case, insomnia. It only took about 20 minutes to research and write that though.

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      • hiflew

        2 months ago

        The only problem with that logic is that bWAR des not necessarily transfer from place to place so neatly. Adrian Beltre was decent with Boston, but not anywhere near as good as with Texas or nearly as bad as in Seattle. I don’t think Beltre would have made the HOF if he stayed in Boston. And no one really know how Felix would have been outside of Seattle because he never truly left Seattle. Plenty of players have flopped badly when leaving a pitcher’s haven like Seattle.

        The “chicken and beer” thing was also Josh Beckett and Jon Lester, so I don’t think we can completely lay the blame on Lackey. All the other stuff surrounding that collapse (Francona’s marital problems, the doubleheader complaints, team not getting along with Ellsbury) would have still existed even without Lackey. I just don’t see that dysfunction working. Or perhaps it would have worked and we would have never learned about any of the dysfunction. You never know.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          Adrian Beltre was decent with Boston,
          =======================
          Beltre had a 7.8 bWAR, an AS, and was 9th in MVP voting for a 3rd place team. That’s not ‘decent’, that’s 1st ballot HOF production.

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        • bcjd

          2 months ago

          “Chicken and beer” was the product of clubhouse culture. Culture is the relationships between people. Different people, different culture.

          It’s impossible to say whether a group of guys would get up to the same shenanigans if you replaced 1/3 of them. Maybe Felix or Adrien would have stepped up and said, “c’mon guys, our teammates are playing and we need to be out there supporting them.” Or maybe not.

          My main point was in response to the OP who claimed we would not have won the 2013 WS if that trade had happened, and to point out that the chain of counter-factual causes isn’t as clear cut as the OP suggested.

          History would have been different, but not necessarily in the ways that you’d expect. And maybe better.

          If we’re going to tell stories about what could have been, we might as well get creative and have fun!

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        • bcjd

          2 months ago

          Not only that, but 7.8 bWAR in 2010 was the second best year of Beltre’s career, after 9.6 in 2004 and just ahead of 7.2 in 2012.

          Beltre was clearly on a HOF track when he signed with Boston and I thought it was a mistake to let him leave after one year. (Credit to Chad Finn at the Globe for his columns singing Beltre’s praises that whole year).

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    • redsoxu571

      2 months ago

      Naturally, the domino effect would have been huge. Plus, with Gonzalez traded elsewhere, he likely doesn’t get traded to Boston, which then might have kept Anthony Rizzo.

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  7. YankeesBleacherCreature

    2 months ago

    Thanks again, Zack!

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    • Yankee Clipper

      2 months ago

      Hey, I also learned someone may be available to take Brian Cashman’s place! Mr. Scott, come on down!

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  8. swanhenge

    2 months ago

    Cool read. Thank you.

    I’d like to know who found out about Finley and refocused on Roberts. Was that a young Jed Hoyer?

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    • Dumpster Divin Theo

      2 months ago

      More like young Jedi Hoyer, scout player you must say the sage Green master

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  9. beyou02215

    2 months ago

    Awesome article. I love reading about the behind the scenes maneuvering!!!

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  10. Dumpster Divin Theo

    2 months ago

    In the case of the Cubbies a lot of blow

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  11. Simm

    2 months ago

    So right now everyone is sitting around hitting the refresh button. Something tells me that’s not what preller is doing right now.

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    • Mets Era Thumping Soto

      2 months ago

      No but he might have someone on his staff doing it.

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  12. Mets Era Thumping Soto

    2 months ago

    Owner of the worst trade in Mets history. How good would the Mets be right now? Good article though.

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    • Rsox

      2 months ago

      Probably the same, possibly worse. It’s hard to say that PCA would turn out exactly the same in New York as he has with the Cubs

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      • Mets Era Thumping Soto

        2 months ago

        Do you think elite talent are only elite in one team? 6 of 8 Mets starters are home grown talent from the same era as PCA.

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        • hiflew

          2 months ago

          Yes. Situation plays an incredible role in whether a player breaks out or not. It’s not necessarily just one team, but the difference between a rebuilding team and a contending team is immense for a young player. A rebuilding team can afford the growing pains that PCA went through his first couple years and let him play through them. A contending team would have sent him to the minors or the bench instead of keeping him in the lineup.

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        • Mets Era Thumping Soto

          2 months ago

          The difference between the Mets and the Cubs was minuscule last year. The Cubs were in better contention spot then the Mets most of the year. If you think Harrison Bader was going to hold up PCA then your as bad as Scott for trading him.

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        • rondon

          2 months ago

          Last year PCA didn’t hit for most of the year so the chance that he would’ve been promoted to replace Bader were slim at best. . And the Cubs watched the Brewers run away with the division last year and were never serious contenders.

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    • hiflew

      2 months ago

      The Tom Seaver trade was and will always be the worst trade in Mets history.

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      • Mets Era Thumping Soto

        2 months ago

        The Mets were a 100 loss team when they traded him away and Seaver was 32. They lost a few good years of him on a bad team. They lost PCA for his career for a dumb shot at making the playoffs they didn’t realistically have. The Seaver trade didn’t change how baseball GMA looked at trades. Everyone uses PCA as why you don’t trade elite prospects for rentals.

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        • hiflew

          2 months ago

          Oh EVERYONE does? Well I didn’t know everyone did, so it must be right then.

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        • Soto should bat first.

          2 months ago

          Thump… all of these trades sucked for the Mets. Sometimes a terrible trade eventually leads to a fantastic outcome.
          David Stearns is the fantastic outcome. We’re in great hands for what is going be a long successful period of sustainable excellence.

          Would you rather have PCA and…
          Jeff/Brodie?
          PCA and Jared Porter?
          PCA and Sandy Alderson?
          PCA and Zack Scott?

          I mean, it’s been bad since Frank Cashen.

          Yes, Stearns. No PCA. Our reality.

          Obtw, we got Lindor for a defensive specialist 2b and table scraps.

          BELIEVE!

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        • Mets Era Thumping Soto

          2 months ago

          The fantastic outcome will be when Benge is starting in center but in the mean time we have away a 10 WAR player for a non realistic shot at the playoffs.

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        • rondon

          2 months ago

          Wow. Just let it go.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          Mets Era Thumping Soto
          for a dumb shot at making the playoffs they didn’t realistically have.
          =========================
          They were in 1st at the deadline with a 5-game lead.

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      • meckert

        2 months ago

        Nolan Ryan for Jim Fregosi?

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        • Mets Era Thumping Soto

          2 months ago

          Nolan Ryan didn’t have a starter spot and needed to go elsewhere to pitch every day to become Nolan Ryan.

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        • hiflew

          2 months ago

          “Do you think elite talent are only elite in one team? ” – Mets Era Thumping Soto.

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        • meckert

          2 months ago

          That doesn’t make the trade any less lopsided.

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        • Mets Era Thumping Soto

          2 months ago

          That was real genius that you pointed out a typo of one letter in a sentence. Good argument.

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        • hiflew

          2 months ago

          The fact that you think the typo was the crux of the argument tells me all I need to know about your analytical skills. Enough of my time wasted on this.

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        • Mets Era Thumping Soto

          2 months ago

          Thanks for telling me you where done instead of just shutting up and going away.

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        • gbs42

          2 months ago

          “were done”

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        • Mets Era Thumping Soto

          2 months ago

          Grow up

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        • gbs42

          2 months ago

          Someone’s cantankerous.

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        • Mets Era Thumping Soto

          2 months ago

          People spell checking internet posts that are equivalent to texts are useless people that think they are important.

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        • gbs42

          2 months ago

          You’re just so persistent and seemingly angry that people are enjoying riling you up.

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        • Kermit The Frog

          2 months ago

          Not true. Ryan wasn’t starting because he had military service every other week until the 1972 season. Everybody knew he was ready to break out except for our GM. White Herzog threw a fit and Ryan stayed mad at the Mets for decades.

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      • Kermit The Frog

        2 months ago

        It really wasn’t the worst, although it might have been the one that hurt the fans the most. Ryan’s trade was the worst because everyone knew he was about to break out and he didn’t want to leave. His military service had ended and this was the first year he was going to be able to pitch consistently without stopping. He was known as the best arm in baseball.

        That also infuriated Whitey Herzog and coupled with them choosing Berra to be the manager made him leave too. Trading Ryan (not to mention Singleton and Otis) probably cost us a title in 1973 and ruined the entire decade.

        Seaver was past his prime and ended up trying to pitch until his arm fell off.

        PCA’s story isn’t written yet, but it’s not looking good. In my opinion, the trades that hurt worst are the ones that kept us from winning a title.. Jeff Reardon on the 1984-1985 Mets. would have been huge. Randy Myers & Kevin Mitchell on the 89-90 Mets might have made the difference. Jason Isringhausen as the closer in 99, 00 and 06 might have changed everything.

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    • Soto should bat first.

      2 months ago

      Nolan Ryan?
      Tom Seaver?
      Amos Otis?

      You’re a young man, Thumper.

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      • Mets Era Thumping Soto

        2 months ago

        No Im not. Most of Seavers career and elite years were with the Mets. Ryan needed to go to become Nolan Ryan. He wouldn’t have done that with the Mets.

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    • redsoxu571

      2 months ago

      Easy to remove the lion’s share of blame given that he was first hired to be a top assistant to Jared Porter, who was only a month into getting set up with the Mets all in the midst of the chaos of the pandemic before Porter was then dismissed. Scott openly described how incomplete things were for him at the time of the trade, and given his lengthy career prior to that point he surely knew what the target bar was for information and process. Unique team situation plus unprecedented (for modern sports) societal context is a recipe for some goofy results!

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  13. AI GM

    2 months ago

    Good article. Just make sure when you are selling your consulting services you keep the focus on the 4 rings part and not the trading of PCA for a 2 month rental and Trevor Williams. Or blame Cohen for it!

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  14. In nurse follars

    2 months ago

    Hype machine really spinning now. Its like a local weather forecast. Snow, snow, snow. And then a slight mist of rain. Hype in full swing now.

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  15. stanthefan

    2 months ago

    Awesome intel. I thought it was pretty cool to get an inside take of how this stuff works (or doesn’t) & awesome examples of real-life scenarios to each nuance! As a Met fan, I loath to see how PCA is doing in Chicago now, but I was excited to see what Baez could bring to our playoff run. Nicely done, MLBTR & Mr. Scott!

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  16. RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame

    2 months ago

    Thanks for this Zack.

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  17. Andujar

    2 months ago

    Who was the Red Sox intern that suggested Roberts? And where are they now?

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    • Soto should bat first.

      2 months ago

      It was a young Billy Eppler. I kid.

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    • MysterySpot

      2 months ago

      See a comment below.

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  18. Bryzzo2016

    2 months ago

    Cubs involved in two of those trades. Obviously the damn near criminal fleece of NY to get PCA, but also the Nomar trade. That was a shocker, I think most figures he’d retire in Boston.

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  19. atthezoo

    2 months ago

    Theo’s version of the Dave Roberts trade is a tad different:

    ” … On (July 29) or so, I asked (then-intern) Zack Scott to put together a list of the best potentially available plus-base stealers, guys who could steal a base even when it was obvious they were going. Dave was on the top of the list, but the Dodgers told us they would only move him if they were able to acquire another outfielder they were pursuing. ”

    nesn.com/2020/03/theo-epstein-shares-fascinating-t…

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    • MysterySpot

      2 months ago

      So Zack Scott was the intern who helped identify Dave Roberts as a trade target? Kinda cool that he kept his own name out of the article. Reader focuses on the content of the paragraph rather than “oh this guy is just giving himself his flowers.” I respect that.

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    • redsoxu571

      2 months ago

      Different on the surface, but we can guess how the two stories can be reconciled. Fascinating enough that Scott was referring in oblique fashion to himself (not wanting to sound like he was tooting his own horn, I guess). Seems like he was tasked to research basestealing OFs, and the list was “bad” for various reasons including some guys not being appealing enough and guys who fit (e.g. Roberts) not being available at the moment. Epstein mentions how “they” found out about the Finley trade just short of the deadline, made the inquiring call, found out Roberts was available, and completed the trade just before the deadline hit – sounds like Scott was the one monitoring moves, found out about the Finley trade, and raced to Epstein to let him know that they might have their Roberts opening.

      Given the context that Epstein was surely embroiled in the Garciaparra talks, this all makes perfect sense and also further supports the point of the story, that Epstein had a sub-task he wanted explored but couldn’t focus on himself and wasn’t afraid to hand off to an intern. There are also subtleties that the brief shares leave open: maybe Roberts wasn’t on an initial list but was added by Scott because he caught wind that Roberts likely would be available if a Finley trade happened, or perhaps he was specifically monitoring the Dodgers once they knew the score on his availability.

      This is the funny thing about history: even with heady and honest individuals, recollections can vary due to flawed memory and/or perception, or even just the way a story is relayed could lead to minor varying interpretations that colors some of the understanding of what “actually” happened!

      P.S. Thanks for sharing that link, as it combos nicely with the story.

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  20. HalosHeavenJJ

    2 months ago

    Very cool insight. Thanks, Zack.

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  21. straightuphonestguy

    2 months ago

    Nice article Zack, thanks for sharing.

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  22. Kasper8421

    2 months ago

    Great insight!
    Please, MLBTR staff, try to feature more behind-the-scenes articles like these, especially from GMs.
    After all, you make a living listing and discussing every transaction all 30 teams make. Taking a peek behind the curtain as to the decision process behind these deals should be of great interest to a considerable percentage of the readership of this site.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 months ago

      Look up Kevin Goldstein articles and his chats on FG. Lots of stuff you will enjoy.

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    • Soto should bat first.

      2 months ago

      10 cents a day. Pony up, Karen8421.

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  23. cc22

    2 months ago

    Great read… 2 more days to go

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  24. jorge78

    2 months ago

    Very Interesting! Thanks Tim and Zack!

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  25. matthew07

    2 months ago

    “War Room” lol

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    • Mustard Tiger

      2 months ago

      I know. I can’t stand the use of the term “War Room.” Unless people are actually fighting and dying. Which, thankfully, is not baseball.

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  26. Fonzo2

    2 months ago

    Good read Zack. Please elaborate on the sources of the “external” pressure…Inquiring minds would like to know, especially this Sox fan.

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  27. dasit

    2 months ago

    PCA came back to bite the mets but he was 19 at the time of the trade and countless “can’t miss” teenagers have flamed out or been derailed by injuries. the day of the trade the mets were in 1st place by 5 games so no idea why some people say “they weren’t going to win anyway.” how many opportunities does a team have to win a title? i never fault a GM for taking a shot

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    • LongTimeFan1

      2 months ago

      @dasit

      It was not a smart trade for the main get which was Javy Baez as rental. Even at 19, the reports were PCA could play gold glove defense in the majors even at the time he was drafted out of high school. He was already off the charts defensive talent with big offensive upside, really good speed and great mental make up. You don’t trade a high first round pick for rental so soon after he was drafted, especially for franchise starving for homegrown athletic CF’s.

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  28. LongTimeFan1

    2 months ago

    I’m a Mets fan and the trading of PCA was as stupid as could be – I hated it the moment it was reported. It was incredibly short-sighted then and now even with PCA out with shoulder surgery at time of trade for much of that year after an injury at third base.

    I likened PCA to Brandon Nimmo but with top shelf defense and base stealing capacity. Both with great mental make-up. The PCA trade could go down as the worst in franchise history if PCA doesn’t sign with Mets as free agent when that time comes and becomes super star for the next 15 years on other teams. He’s already moving in that direction, showing glimpses..

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  29. The Saber-toothed Superfife

    2 months ago

    I told you, they should have hired the Superfife.

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    • The Saber-toothed Superfife

      2 months ago

      Flaherty?
      Torres?
      Klondike bar?

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  30. dirtrider5

    2 months ago

    Now, more of THIS….views/reporting by pros who have ACTUAL inner-MLB experience…might just get me to renew my sub here at MLBTR. Tired of all of the wannabe-GM/Prez of baseball ops “reporters” here…who most often parrot highly suspect sources: such as Heavy, Sportskeeda, Jim Bowden, Ken Rosenthal et cetera: who’re more often wrong! Thanks for some Real information

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  31. TroyVan

    2 months ago

    I wish he would do a part 2, but this time how other deals went down or didn’t go down. Seeing E-Rod pitching last night made me think of how that deal didn’t go down and what the Tigers essentially gave up by E-Rod invoking his no trade clause.

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  32. Youkilyptus

    2 months ago

    What a cool write-up and thoughtful analysis. Thank you for sharing.

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  33. C Us Sink

    2 months ago

    The war room with Woody Woodward: “Heathcliff Slocumb for Jason Varitek AND Derek Lowe? Oh, ok. Deal” Come to find out all these years later the story I read or heard somewhere, Woodward misunderstood OR for AND. And the Ms got fleeced. Gave up 2 great players instead of one…not sure if that’s really true.

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  34. Slider33

    2 months ago

    This is great insight into what goes on, thank you! I finally see an MLB job I can apply for… I can handle the scrolling of MLBTraderumors and other sights to stay on top of team moves and interests, and ya’ll handle the rest..

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  35. b24brandonnn

    2 months ago

    Good read

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  36. jamie pote

    2 months ago

    Fantastic read … Definitely need more of this.

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  37. Kermit The Frog

    2 months ago

    So an intern is responsible for the 2004 Red Sox and the person is still known as “intern”. I hope they at least got a WS ring.

    Where did the pressure to ignore the projections on PCA come from?

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    • Joe It All

      2 months ago

      They did get a World Series ring. They actually got 4 of them. The author of the piece, Zack Scott was the intern at the time. If you look up in the comments section somebody posted a link to Theo Epstein’s memory of the Dave Roberts trade and Zack Scott was named as the intern in that piece. Kind of cool that he just said intern so you would focus on that information instead of it seeming like he was gloating that it was him.

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  38. SteveM7

    2 months ago

    So Dave Littlefield gave away Jason Bay AFTER the deadline? Even better. And sounds about right.

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  39. calamityfrancis

    2 months ago

    The PCA/Baez trade was moronic at the time and is now on pace to be an all-time blunder. Especially for a team with no center fielder. Thanks a lot, man.

    -Mets fans everywhere

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  40. sillyscully

    2 months ago

    Thank you Zack for the insight. Funny to imagine how many “what ifs” in the baseball world could have happened. Albeit the pressure to make a move can be just as high as not to make one. Truth is, no one can be 100% certain on any move either way, just have to trust your gut.

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  41. norcalblue

    2 months ago

    “The intern rushed to Theo’s office with the idea. Within hours, we’d made the trade.”

    I’m sure there is a good reason why the intern was not identified; but it would have been nice to know. Great story and point well made though.

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    • Joe It All

      2 months ago

      The intern was the author of the piece, Zack Scott in his early years in Boston.

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  42. Rsox2Pen

    2 months ago

    Possible one of the most insightful reads I’ve seen on MLBTR. I also wonder if somehow all this technology and different segments of operations in the war room at one time , slows down the actual speed at which these decisions need to be made .. against the clock.
    As with too much information and not enough gut feel.
    I have assumed that the Red Sox inability, in the last few years, to make even small tweaks to improve their team at the deadline was rooted in a business model that has too much hierarchy.. requiring too many sign offs to make a decision that needs to be made now .. or the selling / buying team moves on quickly.
    I’m not sure what’s best , but somehow think the bloated war room approach slows down what needs to be gut feel , snap decisions. I think having a damn good GM who’s capable of those rapid decisions is critical .. as a Red Sox fan .. I’m worried about that .. but would love to be proven wrong.

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  43. rememberthecoop

    2 months ago

    Hate to sau it Zack but PCA for 2 months of Baez was a terrible decision. An all-time awful move. Historically bad. Appreciate the stories but apparently you learned that process isn’t as important as performance.

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  44. RockinRobin

    2 months ago

    Interesting read. Well done!

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  45. YellowCleats

    2 months ago

    Nothing new here. He can continue his consulting work.

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  46. 86mets

    2 months ago

    I think they need to find a better qualified ex GM to talk about these things than the guy who traded PCA for 3 months of Thumbs Down 👎 Baez and a spot starter/long reliever.

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  47. CarolinaCubsandKush

    2 months ago

    How long before teams have AI chatbots just spitting out random trade proposals for consideration? Or are we already there?

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    • JRamHOF

      2 months ago

      Give it a try and report back to us

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    • JoeBrady

      2 months ago

      I’d bet a decent programmer could put something together. Separate teams between contenders and non-contenders, highlight areas of needs for the contenders, and add quality of players from non-contenders. Assign values for prospects based on rankings.

      I’d bet a good programmer with BB insight could mock up 80%+ of the trade proposals.

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  48. texasguscc

    2 months ago

    Zack, I understand it’s a tough job and not wanting to play hindsight, but why would you even want a SS hitting .220 and striking out 35% of the time?

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    • myaccount2

      2 months ago

      Probably because that stat you cited is inaccurate. At the time of the trade, Baez was slashing .248/.292/.484 (105 OPS+) with GG defense for Chicago that led to 2.6 bWAR in 91 games.

      After moving to the Mets, he slashed .299/.371/.515 (140 OPS+) and 1.7 bWAR in just 41 games. He also went on to only strike out 51 times in 186 PA (27.4 K%) with NYM. Trading PCA for him is tough in hindsight, but they were surely happy with the results at the time.

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    • JoeBrady

      2 months ago

      The K/W was problematic, but he was hitting .250 at the time, not .220, and with 22 HRs in 335 ABs. Along with GG defense. Baez was a very good player. And he did deliver 1.7 bWAR in 2 months. That’s pretty good.

      And, FWIW, Met fans in here had probably never heard of PCA at that point. He was a a single-A player with 6 Ks & -0- HRs in 24 ABs coming off arm/shoulder surgery.

      Without knowing what he was going to develop into, is 2 months of a 6-WAR player worth last year’s #19 pick?

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  49. runbailey

    2 months ago

    Thanks for the insightful comments, very much appreciated. MLBTR doing a great job here.

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  50. PistolPete44

    2 months ago

    They are guessing to like we do

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  51. myaccount2

    2 months ago

    This was a fantastic read!

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  52. Fgh

    2 months ago

    The dude was an interim GM that made on the of the worst trades in History. Maybe get someone who has been successful at their job

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    • Stevil

      2 months ago

      Right, because 20+ years in front offices screams unsuccessful.

      Brilliant.

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      • Hot Corner

        2 months ago

        I know plenty of cronies who hang around and contribute nothing.

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        • Stevil

          1 month ago

          The MLBTR ‘Front Office’ doesn’t count.

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  53. Scott Delaney

    2 months ago

    GREAT article!! Thank you!!

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  54. Stevil

    2 months ago

    I caught this late, but this was great! I hope everyone who frequents this site reads this.

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  55. carlos15

    2 months ago

    So his only contribution in his short time with the Mets was to deal PCA for Baez. Awful

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  56. mafiabass

    2 months ago

    Is Hernandez to the Sox in 2009 something we’d have ever heard about before now? I don’t remember it, but the rumor mill also wasn’t as sophisticated as it is now.

    Man, that would have been great. Can’t blame Seattle, though.

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    • mafiabass

      2 months ago

      Masterson ended up going to Cleveland for Victor Martinez, right? I was at the game in Baltimore where he debuted.

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  57. Hexbreaker

    2 months ago

    Dumbest MLBTR article yet.

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  58. Hot Corner

    2 months ago

    Why would the Marlins trade a 19 year old Stanton for retirement age Manny and his $20 million salary??? He also blamed the PCA trade on the pressure. Being a GM is all about pressure. That’s what we live for.
    Appreciate the insight but this guy was lucky to have his cake position for 20 years and would sell his soul to anyone buying.

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  59. citizen

    1 month ago

    Id want to know the lapse of reasoning by the mariners for trading for reliver healthcliff slocum and giving up a lot – veritek and co. that made 2004 boston world series or playoffs possible, Kudos to dan duquette for the trade. The mariners with the best record in baseball didnt advance in the 2001 playoffs.

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