The Phillies are bringing him back. Slugger Kyle Schwarber has returned to the Phils on a five-year contract, the team announced. It’s reportedly a $150MM guarantee that pays the Excel Sports Management client an even $30MM per season. The Phils had multiple 40-man vacancies and didn’t need to make a corresponding move.
The deal is a testament to Schwarber’s elite talents as it sets new precedents in a few different ways. Schwarber is primarily a designated hitter, having played the outfield just 13 times combined over the past two years. He is also turning 33 years old in March.
Those are both qualities which tend to tamp down a player’s earning power. As shown in MLBTR’s Contract Tracker, the biggest guarantee for any free agent age-33 or older was Josh Donaldson’s $92MM deal with the Twins, which was signed when he was still a capable third baseman. Pure designated hitters also tend not to get paid. Per the Contract Tracker, Shohei Ohtani is the only free agent DH to get to nine figures. He was obviously a special case as a two-way player and superstar. J.D Martinez signed a five-year, $110MM deal with the Red Sox in 2018. He was still an outfielder at the time but did become more of a DH over the course of that pact.
Schwarber himself has proved to be a special case, as he just keeps getting better at the plate. He has always been a guy who strikes out and walks a lot, with notable power mixed in. From 2017 to 2021, he was generally good for about 30 home runs per year. He got to 38 in 2019, but that was the year with the juiced balls.
Over the past four years, Schwarber has never finished with fewer than 38 long balls. He’s reached 46 in three of those four. In 2025, he set a new personal best with 56. He has also erased his previous platoon issues. In 2024, he slashed .300/.407/.490 for a 152 wRC+ against lefties, compared to a .218/.342/.482 line and 124 wRC+ otherwise. In 2025, those lines were .252/.366/.598 and .232/.364/.541 for respective wRC+ numbers of 162 and 146.
On top of the statistics, Schwarber has received praise for his leadership and clubhouse presence during his time with the Phillies. They clearly wanted to bring him back but plenty of other teams were interested as well. The Mets, Pirates, Reds, Red Sox, Orioles and Giants were all connected to him in recent weeks. The Bucs even reportedly made an offer of four-years and $120MM, a very bold gesture for a club that has never signed a free agent for more than $39MM.
But amid all that interest from other clubs, it always seemed like the safe bet would be Schwarber returning to Philadelphia. He was clearly beloved in the city and in the clubhouse. The Phils have a number of other needs but they have been aggressive spenders in recent years and it seemed like they would likely top whatever deal Schwarber got elsewhere. They have done so and, as mentioned, set new benchmarks for free agent deals for a hitter this age or a designated hitter of any age. MLBTR predicted he could secure a five-year, $135MM deal. He got those five years but did a bit better than predicted in terms of the average annual value.
Per RosterResource, the deal brings the Phils up to a payroll of $270MM and a competitive balance tax figure of $289MM. At the end of 2025, those numbers were $291MM and $314MM. If they plan on getting to a similar spot in 2026, they have about $20MM left to play with.
They still have a few things on the to-do list. In addition to Schwarber, they also want to bring back catcher J.T. Realmuto, who also became a free agent at the end of the 2025 season. Remaking the outfield and adding to the pitching staff are also on the agenda. $20MM wouldn’t be a ton to do all of that, so perhaps they will be willing to raise the payroll again, though they could also try to accomplish a few things on the trade market.
For the other teams, it’s possible that this opens the offseason floodgates. The position player section of free agency has been slow moving so far. Early on, Trent Grisham and Gleyber Torres accepted qualifying offers. The Mariners and Josh Naylor quickly reunited. For the past three weeks, there have been no multi-year deals for free agent hitters.
Now that Schwarber is off the board, the clubs who fell short will be pivoting to other options. Some of those clubs won’t be players for Kyle Tucker or Bo Bichette but perhaps Cody Bellinger, Pete Alonso, Eugenio Suárez, Alex Bregman and others will see their markets heat up in the coming days and weeks.
Jeff Passan of ESPN first reported the five-year, $150MM agreement. Bob Nightengale of USA Today had the even salary breakdown. Photos courtesy of Jayne Kamin-Oncea, Imagn Images


As expected. He was never leaving Philly.
Agreed….
Simm – I bet a very high percentage of people here had him returning to Philly in their picks.
Dombrowski gets it, when you’ve got a player with elite talent you don’t let him get away.
Man, I miss Dombrowski
swan – Me too, he’s the only guy the Sox have had who was on Lucky’s level.
Just think, Bloom let Schwarber walk so he could sign Yoshida. Good grief ….
I thought for sure he’d go to Pittsburgh. Winning organization, First Class nothing but the best owner, All you can eat McDonalds buffets in the clubhouse, What’s not to like there? Guess they’re all in on Suarez now.
Jimmy Hand just got knocked out of first place in the contest!
Phillies fan here since the first season I remember, 1967. I certainly don’t mind keeping Schwarber but we have to improve our outfield
And Boston ran him out of town
Tar – John Henry ran him out of town.
Boston loved Dombrowski.
Fever- I wonder if anyone else even came close with the years and money. Is the Pirates $120 million offer the second highest? If so the Sox were clearly not even in the running.
Uncle – I’d certainly be curious to hear about other offers.
The best way to land elite players is to come at them fast and hard, show they are your top priority.
Let’s see what the Flemming message is all about. I think it’s Breggy.
I hope paul Skenes pegs this guy in the head
Why
Because fucj the mlb
Thats why
Being a pirate fan is worthless
Never watching another game. And before yal laugh , just know i only watched 1 game last year
The league is garbage . Dodgers all-world team won. So pathetic
I’m still not understanding how Kyle Schwarber deserves to be pegged in the head.. Help me out here.
Skenes would be better off pegging his cheap owner in the head. Nutting has the money to spend, he just chooses to pocket it.
Goku the Knowledgable One: Nobody cares how many games you watch. Nobody.
@gokutheknowledgableone
I’m gonna miss you man
You ok?
The funniest thing the nfl did was convince simpletons like you, who is the biggest simpleton ever that every team has an equal chance at winning every year.
Goku – Get help before it’s too late. Being serious btw.
Same with a fourth of the teams in the MLB. I follow individual players now instead of a team when the Twins are your team.
@goku. So you dont watch baseball, but comment on it. Also I had a bunch of taco bell, and corn last night Incase you were wondering.
Why are you even here then?
@bhambrave. He needs to use his instant transmission to a dbz reddit page.
They’re really to a ratings blow if you don’t watch your one annual game.
I don’t think Skenes is into pegging.
Are you okay ?
@eagle. Im listening to MCR. So I should be okay.
Ummm…username does NOT check out
No. The pirates shouldve gone 10 years if necessary
This is the deal they had to get done no matter what
Now paul skenes time is wasted here
The future doesnt matter after Paul leaves with zero playoff appearances.
Might as well just move the team after he leaves . Its pathetic and embarrassing.
@goku. I thought you use your instant transmission to a planet with a unlimited amount of Ramen bowls.
Take all your money and bet those 4 teams to win the World Series. You’ve found an unlimited money glitch. Just make sure you use all your money, sell everything you own
ThatsIt?. You can get unlimited money if you type in rosebud on sims
Is it deferred?
How’s about we settle for a pegging in the right glute and call it a day?
Clearly someone pegged you in the head at some point.
I get the sentiment from a fan of a *crap* owner team, but why take it out on a guy that, YOU, know, wants to win. The Pirates are not going to win. They are like Seattle, you have to trade for guys, to force them onto your team. They ain’t signing there. Polanco isn’t signing either, just like Naylor. Pit has to develop, trade and win before the FA come. Take a breath and pull that bad jue jue out of the aether so karma doesn’t come back at Paul’s arm.
That’s not how pegging works.
And there’s that…
Damnit Joe, making me laugh out loud…
All I saw was “pegging” without reading the prior comments, so I was concerned.
Grogu is a baby
Throwing at someone above the shoulder is not Ok.
A smart (immoral) fan would at least wish it is Keller or Harrington and not Skenes who gets suspended.
who voted you a top commentator?
I’m betting Paul is the one getting pegged, actually. Livvy seems tough.
Idk about pegging him in the head. I think Skenes should just invite Schwarbs over for tea and politely tell him that he made the wrong decision (even though he got a better deal with Philadelphia).
How can you be mad at a guy who has played in the league for awhile rightly deserved has the opportunity to play where h3 wants to be.
It’s a long season when the team isn’t winning.
I’m sure you wouldn’t want to be bagging groceries at the cheapest store in town…
We need to do better in the comments
A lot of saltiness coming from the other side of the Commonwealth today.
Nutting could make a fortune off Salt Mines. Pittsburgh is filled with them these days.
GtKO
“I hope paul Skenes pegs this guy in the head
…
Because fucj the mlb
Thats why
Being a pirate fan is worthless
Never watching another game. And before yal laugh , just know i only watched 1 game last year
The league is garbage . Dodgers all-world team won. So pathetic”
Muted.
Don’t seem like the kind of person who will ever post anything that I will benefit from reading
What’s up mickey the mod hands. Still using old gimmicks. I sharted now, so please mute me.
I am generally against muting but you might be right on that one.
My November 29th post was:
Five years, $160 million, with Phillies most likely.
December 9th:
Sounds like Phillies paid “slightly” less.
who cares about your prediction?
TheMan3
This site is partly about a bunch of random people like me making predictions and proposals and some of us interact with each other in the comment section. Hey, they even have a contest. Sorry that brings you down.
I had him back to Philly at 5/151.
I had him at $1. Without going over, I win.
Months ago, I wrote that Schwarber would sign a contract for $30 million a year for 4-5 years – and he would sign with the highest bidder. He did. That shouldn’t be misconstrued as team loyalty on Schwarber’s part. The bottom line is the Mets and Red Sox were too smart to sign him for 5 years, the Reds and Pirates couldn’t afford him, and the Orioles claimed they were also willing to sign him for the same amount – but only as a smoke screen to keep Orioles fans thinking the team was going to do everything it could to be competitive in 2026. The Phils signed him because they realize not many top players want to play in Philly – regardless of the money. They had money to burn, so they signed him – because of his popularity, and not because of his potential going forward.
Trea Turner, Schwarber 1.0, Zach Wheeler, Harper, Strahm, even Castellanos all were highly regarded free agents who apparently disagree with you on playing in Philly.
Therealeman: There was nothing intrinsically appealing to them about Philly. They signed there because money talks and BS walks.
As expected this team is gonna keep on overpaying aging players without winning a championship. This is gonna be a horrible deal in a couple of years. Get more athletic players (not that they don’t have them). Get rid of Castellanos and don’t clog your DH slot for 5 years with an aging slugger at 30M/year coming off a contract year boost in performance.
Phillies won 191 games over last two regular seasons, tied with Dodgers for the most in MLB.
Congrats Shwarbs!!!
I’m just happy he’s not playing in the AL East with Boston or Toronto. Then again I expect both of those teams to get either Alonso or Bregman.
Alonso is going to play in the AL East.
Thanks for the update, Jeff Passan.
No shock – good for Phils to keep him around. Pirates must’ve scared them – lol.
Ridiculous overpayment
That’s baseball tho
Trash league with no cap
You spelled floor wrong. But hey, nicest AA ballpark.
Goku the Knowledgable One: Then don’t watch. Again, nobody cares whether or how many games you watch.
I definitely won’t be supporting the league next season
Goku the Knowledgable One: But nobody cares. NOBODY.
You won’t be missed!
Bye Goku!
He won’t leave. He’ll just pretend he did and change his name.
@bhambrave. Here’s a new name idea. Nuttersinmymomscreampie.
Overpayment for teams that are playing pretender.
Dude, you need a tissue?
Even if there was a Cap… your owner wouldn’t spend the money.
As a fellow Red Sox fan it sounds like the Pirates owner is taking a page from recent John Henry.
Apparently the trash will take itself out when you stop watching and commenting on baseball.
Is like me saying I won’t watch DBZ because Goku keeps making whiny comments on Mlbtr.
No shock? 30 million on a dh seems pretty shocking to me
He’s a David Ortiz-level DH, so no, not really a shock.
It is a lot of money and term for an age 33 DH, but I am still happy. Schwarbs is a tough guy to replace, and he just might be one that manages to be an impact hitter long after most lose their edge.
Id be happy if it was with my Orioles but im more discouraged now that my Orioles are going to get anything of impact done. Can’t pay that to Pete Alonso. Tucker and top pitchers probably want 50 plus
CarverAndrews: No he won’t. Father Time is undefeated.
Pittsburgh be like “we tried. “
4 for 120 was a pretty good offer. The issue is the Phillies were never letting him go.
More fax than a fax machine
4/120 for a dog crap organization who hasn’t won in how long? No, if you’re the Pirates you offer 6-7/180
Schwarber wouldn’t have taken that as he knows that would have been all of the Pirates budget (legitimately, not just because Nutting is cheap) and he would never have returned to the playoffs. Pittsburgh’s WAY better off having missed on this. Sign a couple professional hitters for half Schwarber’s annual value and they’ll be fine. He’s only a 4 win player now, and will start to decline.
He would have taken whatever was the highest offer. Most of these guys value cash over winning.
@chicago
That’s what the cubs had to in 15, they overpaid for a few players that were key in 16, but before the cubs got serious no one was going to chi unless it was the only option.
Which begs to question: did they do this to say to the fan base “Hey we tried” knowing full well he wasn’t going to sign with them?
The Pirates were just doing Schwarber a favor and helping bump up the money on his next contract.
It was never a issue.
It was ‘We tried’ offer. I suspect Schwarber was going to stay in Philly if the 5th year was there and the money was close. I feel bad for Pirates fans. They have an owner that has a team on the way up but they won’t spend a dime.
The 4/120 helped Schwarber get that extra year.
What would be hilarious, is later that we find out that Pit wasn’t in on any of this and they were just being used by agents to drive up the price and move this along.
bob9988 2 = Bob Nutting
??? 🤔🤔🤔
Great move Phillies!
Oh well, it was fun to dream. Unfortunately this is reality. Happy for the Phillies though bringing back one of the nicest guys in the game.
Bob Nutting: “At least the Pirates tried!!!”
The old Cubs move. Offer an amount that looks ok but will never actually be accepted.
Nice. He’ll reach 500 career bombs with the Phillies
brew, You’re dealing with irrational exuberance when you try to talk sports to a Phillies fan. They should review the home run production of players aged 32 to 37, before they start nominating Schwarber to the Hall of Fame.
Welp at least Pittsburgh tried😂😂😂
poor pirates 😢
I never thought the other rumors were remotely true. Basically thought Phillies or Reds and Phillies weren’t going to be outbid by Reds.
They had this news on Mlb network hot stove First
RoyalsFanAmongWolves: So what?
Sorry you don’t have anything better to do with your time than monitor how fast mlbtr gets a post up I guess?
Terrible. Sure, I got that right on the contest but I was totally hoping he would sign with the Pirates…
Sad day for Pirate fans… 🙁
Why? There are other players available and the Pirates are showing they are willing to spend.
@kozy21
It would have been a nice signing after decades of nothing from management.
Yay! I was hoping Kyle Schwarber will still be a Philly! Plus I do kind of want Philly to win WSl
Philly will go as far as Wheeler will take them
Big question if Wheeler can return to form after surgery
5 years at his age? Ouch.
Wait, I thought he was a lot older than 32. He looks it. Lol
Hes 33 when the season opens and 38 when the deal ends
Philly just had to make sure that Pittsburgh could never sign someone like Kyle , so gave him one of the dumbest contracts in history
There’s other players to sign Goku, I wouldn’t worry about “your” roster until mid-March braddha!
@gwynning. Heard soler is available. Fine I was the source, but thats the pirates speed. If your a pirates fan why would you rage quit now. I would bet my house they slid a lowball offer to say look we tried.
I thought Pitt’s offer was a great one; invariably, it was just used by Schwarb’s camp to drive Philly’s price up. I was rooting for Pitt to steal him, but there are other quality players they can pivot to. Let’s see how the Meetings shake out!
@gwynning. Feel like the market is going to be slow. Definitely should be deals once the landing spots dry up.
Goku, you need to eliminate the “knowledgeable” from your name.
I agree they could sign Bregman or something crazy , but its highly doubtful they do anything like that.
very likely they just end up missing on every free agent and settle on trying to find a random taker for a 8.5 mil 1 year deal on someone worth half that
Rinse Repeat.
I really thought that with the premise of trading away Keller’s 15 mil , that they could really open the books on Schwarber and offer 40mil or wtvr it would take to make a major league move.
But “raising payroll” is just a mirage. They won’t go near spending the 30 mil AAV amount total now, and will still dump Keller’s contract
Kyle Schwaber is only going to be good for 2 more years and is permanent DH
Pittsburgh only going to have Skenes for 2-3 more years, so was only team that made sense to go 4-5 years on Schwarber
This is like desperate to contend short term window with Skenes rostered , and they literally only signed Tommy Pham last offseason…
If Pirates wont spend right now on an impact bat, then theres no point in supporting them ever.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
LoL. predictable.
in fairness all he does is swing a bat
And hits the ball a long way when he swings it
People dumping on the Pirates but here we are just excited we had a fairly competitive offer for a major free agent. Knowing he’d likely stay in Philly just to be included on a 30m per year offer for this team is a huge shift.
Ya and then theyll immediately dump Mitch Keller and save 15 mil ,
After saving 10 mil dumping KeBryan Hayes last trade deadline,
and dumping whatever few million Oviedo was going to make, even tho Pirates obviously couldve used Oviedo in their weak pen
So really you think theyre changing their ways,
but are only spending 5 million more, with offsetting moves— and opening new holes at
3B & SP & RP that will obviously get filled by schmucks internally
Rinse repeat
Weak pen? They were 13th and that is despite trading Bednar at the deadline.
Password over Oviedo is an easy call when your third best OF is Jack Suwinski.
No one here is claiming they are some great organization. You’re dumping on someone excited to see their team make an offer to a top FA which is really weird.
Pirates are never anything to be excited about
Password doesnt move the needle. Just another AAAA platoon guy
They need a real bat, not a fringe minor leaguer who might be ok if theyre lucky
I’ll be excited when they actually sign someone at 25+ AAV and dont just talk about it
As a Mets fan, thank goodness it wasn’t NY signing him! Five years? No thanks.
@MiniMets yeah cuz five years of him hitting 35+ bombs and 100+ RBI’s is a bad thing. He’s DH, so he ain’t slowing down
so his bat speed won’t slow down and his vision won’t get worse? last i checked, philly fans were screaming there needs to be a big shakeup. they will bring back the same lineup once they re-sign realmuto, which will also be regretable
That’s what I was thinking.
Same players – same results.
Look at the bright side. Your owner can now pay a lot more for Alonso. 🤣
Now the true test will be if this money is redirected by Nutting to a different free agent. You can get both Suarez and Polanco for what was offered.
Kinda want Alonso but Suarez covers a bigger need
Not saying that they should/would, but Bellinger would cost roughly the same AAV for longer years. They could use him for 2-3 years of the contract and trade him off.
I think they’ll make more trades from the pitching surplus, and a possible attempt on a 15-20M FA.
yes because this is all about pittsburgh
People making fun of the pirates as if they didn’t make the exact AAV offer that Philly did. They just added that 5th year which will likely make the back end a real albatross. Very few if any guys are worth $30 million in their age 37 season. The Phillies can eat that, no small market team possibly can.
Nonsense.
With the Pirates though, Schwarber would be gone by the start of year 3, and they would shove as many top 10 prospects as needed to unload him
Smart move for both sides to stay together. I had some hope that the o’s might be able to get him but alas it was not to be.
I don’t mind this contract too much. But I really hope this signing doesn’t prevent them from making other maneuvers. That’s my one primary concern with it.
Aloha folks, congratulations Schwarber! Miss you in Chicago, happy you are thriving in Philly! Mahalo!
Oh word! Got another one?! 5/? now, saw the Diaz one first.
Glad he’s back to Philly and off the board. Sorry, Pirates, twas a good offer, nice to see you’re awake! And to the Mets, go get Pete, you bums!
next up, Bellinger for 5?
I’d take Belli to the Yanks for 5 years, yes. 😀
Rogers Media reports that the Jays “were in” on him.
He was leaving on a jet plane.
A steal for a dh who will regress every year moving forward 🤷♂️
yeah because guys in their mid 30s don’t have their bat speed slow down or their vision worsen. it’s a fair deal and basically the expected payout, but i doubt it ages well. paying a guy in his mid-30s to swing only for 5 years while there are other team members who could benefit from DHing occasionally. let’s see how that works out
If they win a WS in the next two or three years, they won’t care about the back end.
Let the dominos fall…
Okay, Bucs, now pivot right to Pete Alonso with a 5-year, $130M offer and get it done!
5 years? Yikes. Oh well, they have Nola for 5 more, Harper for 6 more, and Turner for 8 more, so I guess that works out. Although by that time, they might need to change the stadium name to Senior Citizens Bank Park.
@fearthecub
Lol!
I like Schwarber (he’s got great timing) and I like Dombrowski (future HOFer). Phils better hope that they win it all in the next couple of years because Kyle could be struggling to hit .200 with half of the home runs after that. Four big contracts for 35 year old players in 2028.
Every team not named the Dodgers or Yankees go through a rebuild, so looks like we know the Phillies will start one in several years when age-related decline hits the roster. Based on that, they might as well go all in now.
He belongs with the Phillies.
I like Schwarber, and happy he’s back, but as a DH only player, it does hamstring the lineup.
If they absolutely need to DH someone else for a spell, Schwarber can’t be any worse in the OF than Castellanos has been, right?
Good, he can finish his career launching bombs for the Phillies.
Acoss – I still think he’ll sign like a one-year or two-year deal with Cincy right before he retires.
Dude that would be cool, too bad if he does do that, Reds won’t be in contention.
Dombrowski lol
Guy ever do anything that makes sense?
G – HOF executives let their results do the talking.
You mean like that .499 career win %?
Despite taking over like 3 teams that were already stacked when he arrived?
Sounds not great
G – Who do you think built the Expos team that would have won the 1994 WS if there was no strike?
Who do you think built the Marlins teams that won 2 titles?
Who do you think inherited consecutive last place Red Sox teams and immediately won 3 consecutive division titles and a 119-win WS champion team?
You are using Win% for a guy who has often inherited bad teams? Really?
HOF’er Dave Dombrowski, get used to it.
Red Sox were already stacked
Phillies already stacked
Marlins 1 good year
Expos 1 good year
Tigers losing record during his tenure
Yawn
G – Blinded by hatred of a HOF executive, yawn.
Somebody must have forgotten to tell the 2015 Red Sox how stacked they were, while they were busy going out and winning 78 games.
Dombrowski sign
Devers? Nope
Betts? Nope
Bogaerts? Nope
Benintendi? Nope
Bradley? Nope
All dude did was trade 2 top 10 prospects for Sale and sign Porcello and Price to horrible deals
Congrats. How tactical of him
The Expose wouldn’t have won the 1994 World Series
We’ll never know, sadly.
Devers was in A ball in 2015. Neither he nor Benintendi would debut until 2017. What do either of them have to do with the 2015 team, which was a mess?
Were they not core players on the title squad?
GMONEY28……He also traded for KImbrell. Traded for Steve Pearce and Kinsler at deadline.
Steve Pearce and Kinsler’s corpse lol
Don’t pick up the phone when this guy calls!
Dirty – Yeah maybe Sale, Kimbrel, Eovaldi, JD, Moreland, Price etc were all secretly hidden in the bowels of Fenway before Dave took over the team. ROFLMMFAO!!!
Dombrowski was hired in August of 2015, a team you are claiming was “stacked.” Most of those guys were barely getting established as big leaguers when Dave was hired, whether or not any of them besides Bogaerts would live up to their billing was still very much up in the air.
carlos – Just curious, why do you think that? They had the best record in MLB that year.
Sale – bad trade, bad contract
Kimbrel – bad trade, bad contract
Eovsldi – bad contract
Price – bad contract
Moreland – Mitch Moreland
Yawn
G – Raffy had a .731 OPS as he struggled offensively and defensively that season.
But who is the one who KEPT Raffy and 10D and instead traded for Sale a infielder and pitcher that have both amounted to not much?
Oh yeah, the same guy who signed Xander to an extremely team friendly extension.
The list goes on and on, you’re just a ridiculously biased and uninformed hater of a HOF executive.
Wrong perspective. He gave up way too much for Sale and Kimbrel. Could have used leftover assets to get more help elsewhere
It mostly makes sense, just with more dollars than other teams are willing to pay. If you give any knowledgeable person a huge budget, he will likely do pretty well. Then it looks bad on the back end, and he gets run out of town.
I wanted the Orioles to sign him but I am also okay with not topping 5 years at a $30 million AAV for a DH heading into his mid 30s.
Congrats on retaining him though, Philly fans!
Thought he would go to Atlanta for some reason but I picked the Phillies on the contest so I go another one right
Never watching mlb ever again
Can you promise to never post again? I mean, if you are never watching baseball again, surely the world could do without your trolling an MLB chat board. Just give it a shot. Your voice never needs to be heard.
Waaaah
Schwarber and Alonso were never going to get deals that will age will
I am increasingly worried that the Orioles are actually going to sign Alonso.
Shouldn’t the point be he takes less to stay home, not clean out the cupboard? He should of signed on Pittsburgh
Not a steal. This is $7.5m per WAR now, which is a little above market, and he’s 33 next year so will very likely end up being quite a bit more than that. This is a desperation move for a relatively old team, and absolutely the right one. They have to win next year.
Schwarbs had the 14th highest war among NL MVP voting last year…yikes! At that rate of $7.5m per WAR guess Philly can expect to resign Christoper Sanchez for $60m AAV.
His value is more than his numbers and his numbers are pretty good.
3yrs great 4 yrs iffy 5 years unload him
wont take long for pitching to figure him out sort of like harper who is no longer 30 mil man
In every full season since 2019, he has had a 120 OPS+ or higher (122,149,131,121,134, 150) and hit 30+ HR (38,32,46,47,28,56).
So what’s the definition of “won’t take long” because the only time pitches had success against him in recent memory was the 2020 shortened season, and those numbers are largely meaningless.
He’s been in the league for that to have already happened….it didn’t.
So will we get Breslow and Kennedy saying they were in on Schwarber?
Congrats to Philly though. Dude can mash and that’s not a bad deal.
IMO. I thought the Phillies were trying to get younger much like the Yankees however like the Yankees they are doing whatever for one championship very very soon if possible. Does anyone want Stanton? He’s much cheaper only two years left on contract?? Haha.
I don’t really follow the Phillies as closely as I should, but if they have the room for a bat like Schwarbers you gotta ago get it – or in this case make sure he doesn’t go somewhere else ha.
I think Stanton’s issue is should be DH only right? Guy can’t move anymore.
He did play some outfield last year.
Stay positive Joemo. We didn’t want a DH-only anyway.
Breslow better get moving though. Top hitter, gone. Top reliever, gone. The markets are set.
Swan – and arguably best starter off the board in Cease. There really isn’t a runaway candidate for that position this year though.
I didn’t realize Edwin signed. I thought the article I saw this morning said the dodgers were interested.
Man must be fun to be a dodgers fan. “Hey our BP was horrible and we still won the world series.” And they go out and get the best RP available.
I think Schwarber was everyone’s pipe dream even though it was always most likely Philly wasn’t gonna let him leave. So as much as it sucks to have that dream killed, it’s actually great that he’s the first major domino to fall. Gives Breslow the opportunity to get serious about other top bats without having to hold back while secretly hoping for Schwarbs.
I won’t be shocked now if Alonso signs later today.
Dirty – Schwarber was the one bat that really would have helped the lineup vs LHP. Really happy for him though.
Alonso’s splits aren’t great. 0.729 OPS vs LHP, 0.929 vs RHP. Schwarber had a 0.964 OPS vs LHP and a 0.904 vs RHP.
There’s still a lot of off-season left! I’m just not really… Believing in Breslow at this point. But let’s see what happens.
At the end of the day Schwarber never was leaving Philly and Alonso stays in New York. So I’m very happy both not going to Boston. Either one or both would be scary good
Joemo…. If they sign either Bichette or Alonso and find someone…anyone to take Yoshida… this off season will be a success
Cooper – if they can just find anyone to take Yoshida (and really any% of salary, his roster spot is the important thing) I’ll consider the off-season a success!
It could look a little sketchy in year 5 if it’s backloaded. Though at this point I think we can also assume some deferments. Otherwise, an expected but still a good move for the Phils who are looking to challenge for the next few years.
Everyone is like not shocked but the Phillies are definitely upset. They were hoping for a discount and lowballed him. They’re lucky he didn’t walk and of all teams to show the up it’s the Pirates haha thank you Pirates!
The husky kid is a bit of The Bull and The Babe; kudos to the Phils for keeping him.
The husky kid is husky. Period. Don’t make analogies history can’t confirm. No one was ever like The Babe.
Phinally!
$15 million is “a bit more.” I wasted my life, I guess.
Thats all? Wow. I’m surprised no one else offered like 3 years 100M lol
Solid marriage between player and club. Fair market value, but nothing crazy.
Good deal all around.
operator, Fair market value????? Maybe in pesos, but not dollars.
So glad he stayed there . Homeruns are nice but the dude is not worth it. He is one dimensional.
A high OBP is nice, too. That adds another dimension.
Which one dimension are you talking about? The way above average OBP or the way above average SLG?
Some perspective: Schwarber already has 350 career homers and it’s not pie-in-the-sky to envision him averaging at least 30 per year over the next five years getting him to the magic 500 and automatic enshrinement in Cooperstown….with a Phillies cap on his plaque.
To correct myself, he has 340 now. But still, it’s not pie-in-the-sky to see him averaging at least 32 HR’s over the next 5 years, either.
He’ll be compared to Ortiz. May have to be closer to 600 home runs because the batting average is not going to help.
Harper has 363 too, both of them could reach 500 around the same time in 2029 or 2030.
mania, You’ve got to be kidding. Do you really think Schwarber is HOF material? I doubt the voters in Cooperstown will. Think about it. The guy is a lifetime .231. hitter who averages more than 200 Ks a season. He was #5 in all of baseball last season for leaving runners on base. In 2024 he was statistically the worst defensive outfielder in baseball. He can’t run or throw, and will probably never play on a world championship team again. Oh, I forgot. He’s good in the clubhouse. From what I’ve been told by reliable sources, so were the hookers at the old Vet. Face it. Schwarber can hit a baseball far – and that’s all he can do. It takes a lot more to get into the Hall of Fame.
Looks like we have the next (probably the final) 2016 Cubbie that will disappoint a new team with a long term contract.
Pirates were the silent guest, never stood a chance
A lot of money for a DH, but paying a premium for someone who can perform at his level might be worth it. Expect complaints in Year 5–the Phillies have factored it in.
Except for the fact in 150 years of baseball history, that type of pedigree always loses their everyday job right about the age that he is now 32 and is out of baseball by 35 – 36.
Dave kingman’s the only guy who’s ever played that late with big power who couldn’t hit. And Dave Kingman was an absolute animal, dude was like 6’6 6’7 maybe any weighed like 210 2:15 solid muscle…. Dude was yoked….. Kyle schwarber on the other hand is in terrible shape. On his best day he’s 5’9, maybe maybe maybe is he 5’10 in his cleats. And he weighs no less than 275 280. And that’s probably when he’s been training. I used to know his ex-girlfriend and met him on several occasions they have him listed at 5:11 but that’s greatly exaggerated because he was the exact same height as me and I weigh 210 and that dude look like he ate two of me.
I know Philly fans get all upset because they love him. And I like the Phillies a lot Don’t get me wrong but this is a stupid deal. Facts in history just prove it. Guys with power who can’t hit do not keep jobs or everyday jobs shall I say much after the age of 32 which is what schwarber is or will be this season.
I bet my life savings he’s out of baseball before this contract’s even up. And I bet money that he will never have more than one season again with 500 at bats.
Always?
Schwarber is my height. 5’11”. In cleats he was a touch taller than me the last time I saw him face-to-face in Clearwater in 2024. I appeared to outweigh him in photos my wife took at that time and I was at 235.
Go to spring training and then tell us how much you think Schwarber weighs.
Now that you have finished your factless rant, put up your $5 of life savings and let’s make both of those bets.
I can’t say that I am surprised.
I’m just glad they got it over with early to spare us the suspense and inevitable disappointment
Now Dumbrowski can focus on more of his wonderful (1) yr deals for the likes of Romano, Kepler and platoons all over the outfield. The only way to save this is by Middleton telling him the payroll is increasing so we can get that RH power bat we have needed for YEARS!!!
My guess is that the luxury tax rates will go through the roof in the next CBA. The Phillies and Dodgers are gonna pay and pay and pay, among other teams. Life’s tough.
And no, I don’t expect a salary cap. Too many teams want that luxury tax money. They like the current system.
no problem paying when your asset keeps increasing in value and you have multiple cash flows/income streams
Overpayment for strictly a DH here who embodies the three true outcomes at the plate. Seems like Schwarbs had Philly where he wanted them, similar AAV from another team, the Pirates, but not sure if Giants or a few other teams that had interest would’ve gone to $30 mill a year for more than 3 years. Philly had to give Schwarbs the dough if they wanted him around to help them still compete to win a title in the next 2-3 years. If he hits at his career avg of .231 and doesn’t hit 40hr again in a season the next 5 years how is this contract gonna look? Do we think he will get to 500 career in a Philly uniform?
Nobody was gonna outbid the Phillies for Schwarber. So they eat Casty’s remaining money and also re-sign Realmuto. What a payroll. And the team ain’t getting any younger.
Phillies have 2-3 years to win a title with the current roster, bigger question is if Wheeler ever comes back to the level he had been pitching at after recent health issues.
And two of those three outcomes result in a lot of runs being scored, thus the large contract.
He profiles very similar to Adam Dunn…
lou, You’re right – and Dunn is not in the Hall of Fame. Neither is Kong Kingman whose game also resembled Schwarber’s – although Kingman was more trusted defensively.
Age 32 season
Dunn – 41 HR, .800 OPS, 114 OPS+
Kingman – 22 HR, .782 OPS, 123 OPS+
Schwarber – 56 HR, .928 OPS, 150 OPS+
One of those things is not like the other two.
Schwarber was 36% better than Dunn at age 32. 27% better than Kingman. Use their age 30-32 seasons the gap between Schwarber and Dunn increases while Kingman’s is equal to to Schwarber in OPS+. The difference is Schwarber improved after 30 and Kingman fell off a cliff because of injuries.
Here are the guys most similar to Schwarber in power through their age 32 season. Rice, Cepeda, Jackson, Schmidt. None of them had an age 32 season with over 40 HR and they 4 averaged 116 HR over the next 5 years in their careers and that is with Cepeda’s career being largely over after 1970 due to a knee injury that he had already had 8 surgeries on by that point.
Look at their career numbers, very similar
If he helps them to get into a series with the Dodgers in the next three years it will have been worth it. OTOH, that would be unlikely without him.
The old keep getting older
Where are the people who were moaning just a few hours ago about no news happening during the Winter Meetings?
And that contract offer he got from the pirates was a complete joke, he obviously never gave it consideration. He wants to get to the WS he would never get there playing for the bucs, signing with the Phils was a smart choice and a no brainer
The big news is that the Pirates have $120M to spend. Let’s hope they do.
Martinez’s $110M in 2018 works out to be $144M adjusted for inflation. $150M isn’t that much of a stretch given his leadership role in the clubhouse. The $10M/year raise is probably the big story here.
Also, Schwarber now gets to re-up with Wawa for even more dough!
cheap, You said a mouthful. There are a lot of businesses in Philly that have a lot invested in Schwarber because of his advertising appeal. So, there’s probably a lot more to his signing than most people will ever know.
Now he doesn`t have to do those HORRIBLE Cure car insurance commercials……..
What a hoot, D.D wasn’t going to let him go nowhere else.
All I have to say is, when he only hits 35-40 Hrs next year we can’t all be up in arms. It’s a real possibility that there’s some regression. People need to be realistic. And be prepared for Bryce extension talks to start again.
Other than that, if they don’t announce a JT 2/34M I’d be surprised.
Too much, but a good fit, and Philly had an unlimited payroll.
Good keep by the Phillies but it is a keep. So far the only two teams that have strengthened themselves so far are Blue Jays with Cease and the Dodgers with Diaz.
It will be interesting to see how Alonso and Tucker land knowing the current standard is 5 years at $30 per. Maybe 6 and $35 per are their ceiling? Question is who steps up.
Not surprised at all. He has a good thing going with them and they’re usually in the hunt. Why would he leave?
I was hoping the Cubs would have signed him but at the same time. I’m glad he didn’t sign with the Reds. I really don’t want to see Cubs pitching give up 10 homeruns in a 4 game series at Wrigley Field in the middle of July with the wind blowing out all 4 games
Lame
So relieved Schwarber not signing with Cincy.
I think I would have missed on Schwarber on this deal
FG projects him for 2.9.WAR.
That’s just over $30 million in value. He’s barely worth the contract in year one.
Congrats to Kyle, but worth mentioning that 4/120 is a surprisingly serious offer from the Pirates.
I hope the Pirates make the same push for another player.
This must mean he’s turning down the 4yrs/ 100 bucks the Pirates offered
Okay. This is fine… if they win a championship in the next 2-3 years. After that, the window will be closed, and given how bad this team is at drafting and developing their own talent the once the window closes it’ll stay closed for a decade.
Window is closed now I think…feels much like the aftermath of the phils run in 2007-2011(that team actually won a WS tho) ….and your on the money with a decade of struggles coming. It was pretty bleak starting in 2012…
Lmao terrible deal
As I’ve said in other threads. In history nobody ever who has big power but can’t hit has ever had in everyday job much past the age of 32. And 9 times out of 10 they’ve been out of baseball by the time they are 35.
And let’s not forget schwarber is in terrible shape.
The only time a guy with power who couldn’t hit has ever played much past this point as an everyday player was Dave Kingman. And Dave Kingman was a monster made of muscle. Kingman was like 6ft 6 and weighed like 210 to 220 just yoked…. Kyle schwarber is like 5’9, 280…. Yeah yeah I know he’s listed at 5:11 but I guarantee you he’s not. I knew the dude, well let’s just say I met him a few times I knew his ex-girlfriend. And he’s listed at 220, and anybody who can see those damn well that dude doesn’t weigh a pound under 250 and it’s probably closer to a trip.
This is right about the time guys with his pedigree stop playing everyday and are out of the game within a couple years. What in the world makes anybody think that Kyle schwarber would be able to prove 150 years of baseball history incorrect??? Especially for a guy that makes John Kruk look like a gym-rat.
Remember when he was worthless in the eyes of most fans, writers and teams
Shows how wrong the majority can be
He is great with the Phillies. He may have a few good years left, possibly enough to get into and win a World Series. However, I doubt he will have five good years even as a DH, but it will have been worth it if he can get them to the post season for three of the five years.
Yeah, its a lot for a DH his age. Phillies hoping for Edgar/Papi mid 30’s production. He does seem like a guy who is a bit like Thome and will continue to rake. It’s not like he’ll lose his patience and good eye. When he hits them, he hits them far so he has a bit a leeway there with a slight loss of power as he ages.
You’re main issue is bat speed. If he keeps that in the ballpark of what he has been historically, he should age nicely.
No one.ever.offered.JD M a contract, did they?
Good thing they don’t need a catcher and an entire outfield.
I am glad this got done..This team has some pressing issues going forth. They need to find a power bat from the right side …Centerfield remains an ongoing issue… Even if they lose Ranger and start Painter, they still need another starter.Walker is not the guy and Nola has been less effective each of the last two years. Arms arms arms arms.. never have enough arms.
Not surprised, but that contract will age poorly.
So now the interesting question…if he just averages 35 HR the next 4 years, he’ll enter the final year needing 20 HR or less to reach 500
His career WAR will probably be 32-35 max unless something wild happens, and a likely career average under .230
I love the guy…but is a .228 career hitter with 500 HR and maybe 34 WAR going into the Hall???
The Pirates making an offer was adorable
Pirates got used to drive the bidding up.
Run it back again.
Shwarbs bay be a top 30 batter in the game. He ks way too much and has a lifetime batting average of .230. His clubhouse presence is good which is important.
With Schwarber apparently resigning with the Phils, it will be interesting to see:
1) How Harper handles a DH making more money than him for the next 5 seasons;
2) How Schwarber handles the increased expectations the Phils, the fans, and the media are about to put on him;
3) How the Phils will be able to address all their pitching and position needs in 2026 and beyond with $30 million less a year to play with;
4) How Schwarber’s resigning will attract other top players to Philly or keep them away;
5) How far the Phils will be willing to go over the salary cap in the next few years,especially if they don’t win a championship; and
6) Will Schwarber’s new contract contain a no-trade clause.
Also, 7) How Schwarber’s resigning will affect the other teams’ (especially Mets, Red Sox, Orioles, Pirates, and Reds) acquisition of free agents and trades; and
8) How much the Phils will overspend this offseason to improve the team and become more competitive.
Remember – resigning Schwarber only leaves the Phils as good as they were at the end of 2025. The Phils may be without Wheeler or forced to play with a recently injured Wheeler in 2026, and may also be without any combination of Realmuto, Suarez, Bader, Kepler, and other experienced players who contributed to the Phils’ success in 2025. So, only resigning Schwarber doesn’t improve the Phils for 2026. The team still has to acquire better players at several positions to improve, and that will require either money or the loss of established players or valuable prospects.
1 – Harper has never indicated he wanted to be best paid player and he signed for less than others. So no change.
2 – How are they different?
3 – Phil’s payroll is $23 million less than last year after this signing and they have indicated they do not have a ceiling they have to stay under.
4 – What in the heck?
5 – They are already well over the CBt threshold and the 2nd threshold.
Do you remember the Phillies had the 2nd best record in MLB. Being as good as they were last season is still really good.
leftfield,
1) Harper began asking the Phils to rework his contract shortly after Trout was extended by the Angela and paid more than him. When you hear Harper has renewed that request in the near future, remember where you read about it. Schwarber’s contract is sure to cause friction between the two. Don’t forget – Harper is supposed to be the star of the team. As I’ve said many times here, Harper will never retire in a Phillies uniform. Schwarber’s contract may cause Harper to leave sooner than later.
2) His new contract will increase Schwarber’s expectations by the Phils, fans, and media. They will expect more from him, and not less.
3) The Phils’ projected 2026 expenditures, including salary, pre-arbitration and arbitration salary increases, is currently $256 million. That does not include salaries to be added. For example, Realmuto and Suarez’s possible salaries, if they resign, are not included, neither are the salaries of any new players that have not yet been signed. Wheeler’s $42 million counts toward the luxury tax if he pitches in 2026 or not. The current luxury tax threshold is $244 million. So, the Phils are already over it. In Sportrac’s analysis, Schwarber is down for a $18 million salary in 2026, not the $30 million he just signed for. So, expect the numbers to rise significantly before the season starts.
4) Schwarber’s resigning may either entice other players, such as free agents or trade candidates, to join the Phils this season because they think the Phils, with Schwarber, could be a championship team, or Schwarber’s signing could dissuade other players from joining because they may not like the idea of playing with Schwarber – a $30 million a year DH, they may not feel the Phils, with Schwarber, are world series bound, or they may feel Schwarber’s hefty salary may deprive them of their share of the pie if they were to join the Phils.
5) The Phils are already over the luxury tax threshold. If they were to add a big name player like Cody Bellinger or Ketel Marte without getting rid of similar amounts of salary, they would go over the threshold even more.
What? No deferrals? That’s what all of the cool teams do.
I like Shwarber and all….but this core peaked a bit shy of a championship…it isn’t going to happen. I think they bring Realmuto back also….I can imagine what this team will be like in three years…old Harper…old Shwarber…old Realmuto.. a team of dh’s
Im not certain the starting pitching is going to be as lockdown in the coming season either. Nola and Wheeler huge question marks, Suarez coming back?…Not sure with the outfield situation being what it is. Gonna have to invest something out there as we have seen what their ceiling is with middling outfielders..
Feels like we’re heading towards that 10 year drought between competitive teams in Philly….
Kyle Schwarber just said on MLB Network that the difference for him was playing in the post-season and raising a trophy. Guess he didn’t believe the Orioles or Pirates could get there.
The obvious winner in the Schwarber resigning is Schwarber who will now earn $30 million a year for the next 5 years to hit 4 or 5 times a game, take batting practice between innings while his teammates are busting their guts playing defense – and usually getting criticized for it the next day in the media, strike out 1.25 times a game, leave more runners on base than only 4 other major leaguers, slow down the Phils’ running game when he gets on base, hit .230, disappoint Phils’ management, fans, and media as he is unable to match his numbers from 2025 because opposing teams decide to not give him anything to hit, and oh yes, do commercials and be a great guy in the clubhouse. Opposing teams learned how to dramatically curtail Harper’s home run production by not giving him anything to hit and frustrating him at the plate. They’re about to do the same to Schwarber. MLB is about to also hurt Schwarber with its balls and strikes challenge which will increase his strikeouts and decrease his walks and batting average. Why? Because he watches a lot of 3-2 pitches and usually gets the call, although replay clearly shows his Ball-4s were usually Strike-3s.
The obvious loser in Schwarber’s resigning is the Philadelphia Phillies. Now cash-strapped for well into the foreseeable future, the Phils will not be able to afford the kind of players they have to acquire right now to plug the many holes in the team’s current lineup, and in coming years, they might not be able to hold on to stars like Sanchez, Luzardo, and Bohm whose salaries will significantly increase. What about Crawford, Miller, and Painter you ask? Sure, they may be able to help the team, but not immediately – and as they mature, the team’s core – Harper, Turner, Sosa, Nola, maybe Wheeler, possibly Realmuto, and oh yes – Schwarber, will continue to age. What about trades, you ask? Sure, the Phils may be able to make a few trades that will improve the team – but at what cost? For years, many have been urging the Phils to get rid of Bohm and acquire either Bregman or Arenado. The Phils could – and get less production for 3-times the amount of money. That’s smart.
It should be apparent that resigning Schwarber for much more than he is worth and for longer than he will be able to produce will hurt the Phils who did it more because of the guy’s popularity and association with the Phils’ business partners than because of his ability to lead the Phils to their next world series championship. If you’re still not convinced, ask yourself if the Phils are better off by resigning Schwarber or if they would have made their team stronger by not signing him and using the money to sign centerfielder/first baseman Cody Bellinger, outfielder Kyle Tucker, or first baseman/DH Pete Alonso. Also ask yourself how many solid players the Phils will have to trade away to match the salary of a player like Ketel Marte.
The Philadelphia Phillies have just signed Kyle Schwarber to an exorbitant contract that will ultimately prove to be an albatross for the team and its fans. It’s not personal – it’s just business, but it’s the kind of business that window dressings like adding Don Mattingly to the bench, the boys in the TV booth, and the Philly news media will not be able to justify, rationalize, or improve any time soon.
Schwarber is a beast, always loved that guy. Reaching 500 homers for him would be amazing, very do-able if he stays healthy. 525 might be very reachable if he can manage a couple more 45+ seasons in 2026/27.
Pirates waited until the Phils offer was known and offered just a little less just so they can tell their fan base “we tried”. Seriously though there was no chance he’d have signed with Pittsburgh. The Pirates interest in him wasn’t to try and finally invest in winning, it’s to sign a side show attraction to draw some fans in. Trying to win would be to jump on trying to land guys like Cease and Bichette to go along with Schwarber.