The Mariners are still hoping to make at least one more notable splash between now and Opening Day, but Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times suggests that they’re reluctant to deal anyone from their big league roster to make it happen. Divish writes that the M’s are willing to move top pitching prospect Jurrangelo Cijntje in a package for Cardinals infielder Brendan Donovan but are less inclined to trade anyone from the big league roster to get him. He adds that president of baseball ops Jerry Dipoto and GM Justin Hollander have both “been adamant” about not wanting to trade an established big league starter as they look to bolster the lineup.
It’s a fairly similar approach to the one taken by Dipoto, Hollander & Co. last offseason. In the winter of 2024-25, the Mariners pursued multiple big-ticket trade items but found many clubs with players available in trade were seeking young big leaguers — not the top prospects that proliferate the top of a stacked Seattle farm system. There are more pure rebuilding clubs this winter, at least on paper, but the Cardinals have prioritized MLB-ready pitching in trades of Sonny Gray (Richard Fitts) and Willson Contreras (Hunter Dobbins). The D-backs reportedly want to add major league pitching (presumably multiple rotation candidates) in any deal for star infielder Ketel Marte.
While Seattle’s system is deep in high-end prospects — the M’s had eight players on Baseball America’s end-of-season top-100 prospect list, though they’ve since traded Harry Ford — the actual depth beyond the big league rotation is relatively thin. Each of Luis Castillo, Logan Gilbert, Bryan Woo and George Kirby started at least 23 games in 2025. All pitched well — Kirby had a couple brutal outings but was largely strong — but only Castillo did so while avoiding an IL stint. Bryce Miller missed more than half the season due to elbow inflammation. The options beyond that pair are less encouraging.
Emerson Hancock is a former No. 6 overall pick but spent the latter part of the season as a reliever. He’ll head into camp as a starter but has been viewed as a more of a fifth starter candidate than one would expect based on that lofty draft billing. He’ll turn 27 in May and has a career 4.81 ERA with a poor 15.6% strikeout rate in 162 MLB innings. Twenty-four-year-old Logan Evans tossed 81 1/3 innings with a 4.32 ERA as a rookie this past season and briefly drew some top-100 fanfare before his own promotion to the majors. Like Hancock, he struggled to miss bats in the big leagues (16.9 K%, 7.8% swinging-strike rate). He also was hit hard in 11 Triple-A starts last year.
Depth options beyond those seven are thin. Jhonathan Diaz and Blas Castano are both on the 40-man roster but are already in their late 20s with no MLB track record of which to speak. The Mariners have plenty of notable pitching prospects, including Cijntje, Ryan Sloan and 2025 No. 3 overall pick Kade Anderson. Cijntje has all of seven Double-A starts under his belt, though, and could require more development time than most prospects given his status as an extremely uncommon switch-pitcher. Sloan hasn’t pitched above A-ball. Anderson didn’t pitch for a Mariners affiliate after last summer’s draft. Former prospects like Taylor Dollard and Michael Morales went unselected in this year’s Rule 5 Draft despite being eligible. The former has battled injury troubles. The latter was hit fairly hard and notched just a 16% strikeout rate in Double-A this season.
The Mariners could certainly deal from their rotation to improve the lineup and backfill with a lower-cost free agent signing, but it’s understandable if the front office is reluctant to at all jeopardize the team’s depth, given the shaky performances of Miller, Hancock and (to a lesser extent) Evans in 2025. If anything, one could argue that it’d be prudent to add to the current group by signing/acquiring some optionable depth or a swingman/sixth starter to plug into a long relief role to begin the year.

They probably should be willing to trade from the MLB roster if necessary to get Marte.
But Donovan? I don’t blame them for refusing.
If you want Jazz, you ain’t got no choice to! Unless you fella’s wanna send Emerson Colt are way instead?
Colt Emerson. Jazz is not worth a top 10 prospect.
I didn’t say anything about Jazz.
But if there’s an Emerson Colt in the system, I’m sure he isn’t untouchable.
I’m taking to 99Captain Judge99
So was I, because his comment was in response to my comment.
Donovan for Cijnje and Lazaro Montes. The Cards want 2 top prospects for Donavan.
Too much giving up both, Cards will fold in the end.
Why would they fold for what Seattle is willing to give? San Francisco, Boston, and Pittsburgh are all in on Donovan with maybe 3 or 4 teams we don’t know about. That sounds like a lot of leverage for St. Louis.
Also, it’s not like guys who play 5 positions at average-to-plus defense and hit for a 120 OPS+ grow on trees so the Cards have no reason to fold here. They would sooner hold Donovan than take a return that doesn’t advance their goals.
Because nobody will overpay for Donovan for a second straight offseason. Will they fold to the Mariners offer specifically? Maybe not. But I doubt he returns a package St. Louis fans keep mentioning on here. If they don’t trade him, that’s a horrible move. St. Louis won’t compete for years.
By statcast and fangraphs standards, Donovan didnt give plus defense last season. He was adequate. He also has a very significant platoon side. He doesnt hit left handed pitching. His ideal roll is a platoon that can play multiple positions sufficiently. That does give him a lot of value but you are overstating your case.
Nobody’s going to hand STL 2 top-100s for 2 years of Donovan. He’s good but not *that* good.
How is that a horrible move for St. Louis? This guy is the best utility player in baseball. It has won a gold glove. He is also the kind of guy you want on your team around yoga players because he is a leader in hard as nails.
St. Louis has no interest in any of the extremely overrated prospects you have mentioned and personally I wouldn’t want want Central for a major league player at all. He’s just not that impressive it really more of a circuit sideshow throwing with both hands than a legitimate top prospect. I don’t think Bloom has any interest in him either or this is a deal of it probably would’ve already been done. I felt from the very beginning that the Cardinals in Seattle do not match up very well in a trade scenario if Seattle doesn’t want to give up any of it pitchers from the MLB roster.
We don’t want Evans or Hancock either as they are simply MLB back
fill.
As usual, fan bases are overrated players who have done nothing in the major leagues and expecting to get an All-Star and gold Glover in return for players who are expendable to their team.
basically, it’s like we will give you eight $2 scratch off tickets for that $20 bill.
Myacct2- Same. Over the past 3-4 years I’ve been really surprised at the actual return package in many trades around the League.
Case in point: the Randy Arozarena trade. The M’s got roughly 2.3 yrs control for their #12 and #22 prospects and a PTBNL. Is B Donovan worth more than Randy? I can see a case for both SEA and St Louis fans to be right.
Obviously each window is slightly different: with supply/demand, Offseason vs Deadline, market leverage etc playing a factor in each trade. However I suspect you’re right …..I will not be surprised if B Donovan goes for less than whats predicted by passionate MLB fans
CNH3 – that comment was so painful……to read! Haha Are your fingertips wrapped in gauze?
It’s impossible to find common ground between the two fan bases of a rumored trade proposal. For what its worth I do agree with you- Donovan is one of the best Utility Players in MLB. However I also think a lot of Mariners fans like myself are not going to value a Utility players the same way you do and you and other Cards fans will never appreciate the strength of our Farm System: Scott Hunter’s ability to spot and develop young ML talent. The numbers speak for themselves- that M’s Farm currently has 8 Top 100 Prospects including your “Circus Sideshow Freak”
Btw Re: Gold Glove Utility players? The M’s DFA’d theirs earlier this year after he won the 2024 AL Gold Glove at Utility. I’m not comparing D-Mo to Donovan nor am I saying Donovan will be DFA’d. I’m simply saying “Gold Glove Utility player” doesnt exactly have the same caché and value as a Gold Glove MVP or Gold Glove middle of the order hitter…..but we’ll agree to disagree
@CNH- Nice to know you have insider information to let us know who Bloom does and doesn’t have interest in… Just fyi: you’re not running the front office, you have no idea how STL values *any* of these prospects, so going off of general industry/public belief is the best bet. Cijntje is a top 100 player/borderline top 100 player on plenty of lists. Just because you personally don’t see the appeal doesn’t mean Bloom or others don’t either.
@ayrbhoy- Absolutely. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’d move Cijntje for Donovan; I just wouldn’t move Cijntje AND Arroyo. I agree there are arguments for both sides, and maybe STL fans end up being right. I just don’t see them landing two top 100 prospects, plus more.
TB was trying to unload 30mil+, they took what they could get. Donovans buyer takes on half of that. A distant comp maybe, since they were similar players last season, but the surplus value favors Donovan.
St Louis would take one of several better offers without both.
That would be a massive overpay for Donovan
That’s too much for Donovan. He brings some OBP skills and defensive versatility to the table, but that’s it. He’s not worth two of our top ten prospects, especially Montes who looks to be our only big-time power threat in the minors. I could (reluctantly) see giving up that package for Marte, but not for Donovan.
You are overrating your prospects. It would take more than that to get Marte. He is arguably the best 2B in the league and not really that close either. You aren’t getting him for less than two top 100 guys and two other good prospects. Donovan is also underrated and more importantly highly sought after by multiple teams which drives up the price. You might think that is too much for him, but I would bet that the final price for him will be slightly higher. It might not be Seattle, but somebody will pay more than that.
Donovan is not worth 2 top 100s but Marte is probably worth 3 top 100s
How about cjintje, Montas plus Castillo and evans(dude mentioned in article) for Marte? Castillo gives DBacks the SP they need and equals out the money somewhat.
Marte Raleigh Naylor and JRod would be a nice top of the order
Zobrist was six years older than Donovan is now at the time of that trade. And he was a half season trade deadline rental whereas Donovan has two full season of control remaining. Double the price seems about right in that case.
Funny thoughts coming from a known Rockies fan. You still hoping the rookie/A-ball scrubs you got back in the Arenado deal are gonna pan out one day?
All of the major relevant publications put a lot of the Mariners prospects in the top-100 recently. If you think we commenters are overrating them here on MLBTR, then you have to think Baseball Prospectus, Fangraphs, MLB(dot)com, etc. are also overrating them at the same time and that just isn’t likely.
For all we know the bidding war is over, every other team is offering similar return packages, and STL and AZ are now taking their time deciding which ones they prefer based on their needs and internal evaluations.
Why is St Louis so intent on trading him? Cardinals fans keep saying he’s great and you’ve got to get a lot but if he’s that good they should keep him. Is St Louis just giving up on the next 2 years?
Honestly they are giving up. Maybe the next 3 or 4 years. Gonna be some dark times in st. Louis for awhile
Why you got to make it personal? I said nothing about the Rockies. And the Rockies no longer have anything from the Arenado deal and I am still okay with getting that guy out of town. Keep it civil or don’t bother replying to me at all.
And I do believe all those publications overrate those prospects. Harry Ford was a top 50 prospect and was traded one for one for a lefty middle reliever by the exact same team. The Mariners are not in collecting prospect mode, they are in win the World Series or bust mode.
Unless they convince Donovan to sign an extension they ought to trade him because they simply don’t have the talent to be competitive for the next 2 years. The 20+ year run of damn near dominating the NL Central is over. Time to rebuild.
Ferrer just put up 1.4 fWAR in 2025 and he’s under team control for the next 5 years. Pair him with Seattle’s coaching staff and he’ll be at least as good as Munoz. Mariners got squeezed a bit too because they already have the best catcher in baseball playing ahead of Ford and everyone knows it. The two choices were to get the best return they could for him, or make him rot on the bench/in AAA, which would screw up his development and tank his value. Context matters.
1.4 fWAR? For a whole year? Wow, someone get him a Cy Young immediately.
Zoinks I said the same thing about Donovan at the beginning of the off-season and I must’ve had 30 people come at me telling me I don’t know what I’m talking about. Everybody said he was gonna bring in a haul. Donovan is a solid player good to have on your team but he’s not gonna bring in this great return of minor leaguers. My guess is that’s why the Cardinals have kept him so far.
Or they are just waiting for who’s left holding the bag after Bregman, Bichette, and Okamoto sign.
Idk why all the de-valuation of Donovan is going on here. Only 30 guys in the whole league had an OPS+ of 120 or greater and Donovan is the only one of those 30 who plays 5 positions. With 2 years of control that’s worth 2 top 100 guys at least.
He’s produced, in a different way, about the same as Jazz who was traded with similar cost/control
It’s not people devaluing Donavan, it’s you inflating his value. Teams usually don’t give up multiple top 100 prospects for utility type players. When Ben Zobrist was traded from the A’s, the A’s only got a top 100 prospect and a wild card prospect. I guess in your books, inflation has doubled + more.
That’s what I was wondering with the M’s. U need a 3b and Yankees always need pitching. Throw in lower prospect morales and headliner Sloan and I say it’s a wrap to put jazz at 3b. Colt will be SS by March 2027 at latest. We need a 3B NOW.
I’m a Cardinal fan and truly love the guy, but our fans are overrating what Donnie should bring in a trade. I think Cintje for Donnie is a solid deal for both teams.
Colt can be the third baseman NOW.
Sloan purportedly has a higher ceiling than Anderson. He’s easily the best pitcher the M’s have in the minors based off of what he’s shown. He’s the last starter they should give up. He’ll continue to develop for a couple of more years & is expected to be a top of the rotation starting pitcher.
How to acquire RF Burleson? He would solidify Settle’s outfield
If I were th M’s then Emerson, Montes and Kade Anderson would be non starters in a conversation. They’d be going nowhere. Any other prospect would be available. Alas, I’m not the M’s.
Cijinte,McGraw and 2 late 20’s ranked players or unranked players is probably what a PKG will look like for Donovan. I’m a Cardinals fan
BigV, if I were looking for reasonable and quality takes, I wouldn’t be here in the comments. Ask for Julio or something!
Well then add Hugus and Sundstrom to that PKG. Take away 1 late 20’s ranked players
Really curious why the Cards seem so eager to get rid of him….
Because they are not going to compete. Trying to get something fir the future.
I could see the cards adding romero to donovan for cijintje and Montes. Or swap Montes out for 2, 8 to 12 range organizational prospects.
Laz Montes I don’t think will be dealt. Struggled at AA after the call up but he struggled at high A the previous year and made a big jump to start 2025. Strikes out a ton but has hit some absolute tanks and seems to have good potential in the plate discipline department. Has a very high ceiling offensively. This time next year I could be singing a different tune but this offseason I’d be surprised to see him moved unless it was for a cornerstone type guy.
Montes stats looks like he hits like Pedro Cerrano
Get him a chicken.
How dare he struggle with his first taste of AA ball. He’s only 4 years younger than the average AA player…
Reports have always said Montes OR Cijntje, not both.
Clutchpoints?
STL has got to be smoking high…if they expect that type of return for donovan.
Donovan is worth 1 90s prospect and a starting pitcher that’s MLB ready. Not Montes.
90s prospect is a little old nowadays but am sure mariners might find a 90s player still playing/s. Starting pitcher that is under 26 with upside is what they might get.
90s as in top 100 prospects.
I put the /s to let you know I was being sarcastic
Didn’t see that
Montes could become the next Yordan Alvarez, granted his defense will prevent him from having high WAR but offense is more valuable than defense
I agree.
Alvarez did not and does not strike out anywhere near the rate Montes does. His hit tool was always much better than Montes.
I prefer to cash in on the high K rate non athletic guys. Profile busts far too much.
Would not trade Laz for him
They can wish in one hand and….. well, you know that story
Hancock and and low A baller for Donovan
Jerry has lost his edge
Winning does that. He is at the point where he is afraid to upset the status quo. Before the Mariners had nothing to lose and were just throwing stuff against a wall to see what stuck. Now that the wall is mostly stuck, they have to be more careful.
Exactly. Sometimes you have to make a deal that feels like an overpay when you are in “Win Now” mode, tho.
Like dealing Ford for Ferrer or something
Ferrer has just one less year of team control, and dude throws heat! I get you make like Ford, but he hasnt proven anything at the major league level yet. Ferrer has. Maybe we get burned on this a little, but what if ford flames out, and Ferrer is the next Munoz? We needed a shut down lefty, and we got it now. You have to give up something, to get something.
This, plus the Naylor and Refsnyder signings are legit master class deals a contender should make to keep gunning for the championship. They’re doing it without breaking the bank either which is incredible.
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Exactly, lol! It felt/feels like an overpay, moving out a guy who could end up being a solid, everyday player, or better, for a young reliever. It is possible moving Ford may be regrettable in the long run but I think that is only if Cal gets sidetracked somehow. There is risk but Mariners’ management can’t be faulted for getting a young pitcher with proven “pressure” skills who slots right in to the line-up.
I, sitting here 3000 miles away, saw this as a Win Now move for the M’s.
I’m no Jerry apologist, he is not perfect and his trades often suck. But to say he has lost his edge after one of the best seasons in Mariners history is so dumb. Touch grass homie
One of the best seasons because the Astros were crippled by injury. That doesn’t make the Mariners genuine contenders.
Whatever you need to tell yourself. They got old. Happens to the best of us.
Ridiculous excuses for your own team’s shortcomings aside, the Mariners not only won the division, they nearly advanced to the World Series.
They’re ‘genuine contenders’ regardless of your bitterness and excuses. .
It’s kind of funny, isn’t it? As if the Mariners didn’t have incredibly bad luck with the Woo injury right before the end of the season.
Then there were the injuries to Gilbert, Kirby, Miller, Raley, Robles…..
They started the season with Tellez for Pete’s sake!
That’s pathetic, AA.
M’s earned it. That the Astros failed doesn’t diminish that in the least. In fact, because they are in the same division, it’s a given that the Astros would fail by comparison, regardless of the excuses/reasons.
I agree. We easily are a 90 win team when healthy. Mariners are genuine contenders, but they are not genuine winners for the AL West. Mariner fans, stop thinking you are 10x better than the Astros. You are only a little bit, if at all.
That’s their problem for Tellez.
What about Yordan Alvarez, injuries to Blanco, Wesneski, Hader, Paredes, Dezenzo, Ort, Sousa, Walter, Garcia, Altuve, Pena, Arrighetti, Alvarez again, Javier, France, Dubin, McCullers Jr., Guillmore, and more. Was that nothing?
You lose your best hitters, most effective relievers, almost all of your rotation, and you call that nothing? You suffer 28 stints. We still are a good team.
I couldn’t care less about the injuries to Astros. I don’t expect fans of any other team to care about the injuries to Mariners, either.
I just find it funny how some fans seem to want sympathy for their team’s shortcomings.
Christian Walker certainly didn’t help Houston, but “That’s their problem”.
The mariners dealt with a lot of injuries too. Not only that, but Jerry built a team that beat yours, with a payroll of 70 million less. Just imagine what 70 mil worth of players could have done, or even would do, if we were able to sign them this year.
That’s horrible compared to what the Astros got. Astros had 28 IL stints, and lost many key players. How many stints for you?
He did in the end. Walker signing is our problem. I don’t care that you don’t care about our injuries, and I don’t care about Mariner injures. I’m not looking for sympathy. I’m just telling you that the Astros are a good team, whether you like it or not. Do you think they are a good team? Or a bad team? Where do you think they will end up? I think the Mariners will end up somewhere around their 2025 record, but they are a good team.
I’ve seen a lot of Seattle fans just say the Astros are bad, so are you one of those fans?
You had 14 injured players. Only the Cardinals had less. You lost the least money except the Marlins and Pirates. Is that a lot of injuries.
At least we can have money, you are a small market team and rely on the revenue sharing.
I meant, that’s nothing compared to what the Astros got. I didn’t put this in, but don’t forget the Rangers also suffered a lot of injuries.
Yet you feel compelled to tell everyone Houston is still a good team and doubled down the reasons, injuries, you believe that.
I never said Houston wasn’t a good team. I simply responded to another fan who was making excuses and trying to shortchange Seattle’s accomplishments and status.
I don’t have a strong opinion on what Houston is. All that matters right now is how teams prepare for 2026. Most teams have work to do. Seattle and Houston are no exceptions.
But Seattle’s in a better position at the moment. It would be fun to see someone argue otherwise.
Some Mariners fans do believe Houston is bad. I don’t think you are one of them, and will believe that if they really are bad. That fan wasn’t wrong about the Astros, but the Mariners would’ve made it to the postseason either way and are genuine contenders.
Seattle is in a better position right now. We have a bad farm and not a lot of space financially to work with, you have a good farm to work with. I’m not going to argue that Houston is in a better position though.
I don’t care about the Rangers. They are also contenders when healthy, 4/5 AL West teams are contenders for me right now. It should be obvious which one isn’t.
My last messages were at Lance05. He said the Mariners also suffered a lot of injuries and told him that wasn’t the case compared to the other teams.
Seems they could line up well with the Rockies on a few guys. Tovar would be selling low on the bat but the defense plays well behind the Mariners staff. Goodman would obviously be selling high to a team that doesn’t need a catcher, but given his versatility, affordability and the fact from the standpoint he could go up or or down, this would would be a nice near term prospect haul for a Rockies team that needs it
Teams refuse to give up what is necessary to actually get good players, so they settle for worse players and won’t win the world series.
A tale as old as time.
So trade legit starting pitching, something all teams pray for, for a 2nd baseman that’ll barely move the needle (Donovan) or one with lots of risks (Marte)??? No thanks.
I’m not saying trade off either of them, but refusing to trade from areas of surplus to address major roster holes are why teams don’t succeed.
I’m a Red Sox fan and their inability to trade a MLB OF to address SP is a big reason why they failed in 2025.
And trading off a starter when they don’t have any depth behind the top 5 isn’t trading from an area of surplus. And with how inconsistent the rotation was during the playoffs, it’s not like they’re hoarding 5 Skubals in their rotation. They clearly don’t think Hancock is ready for a larger role yet, the vet options behind them are not guys you want to be starting 25-30 games a year, and the low cost of the starters not named Castillo means the Ms can’t exactly just go into free agency to replace them with a veteran given their limited budget.
They didn’t have an actual surplus of OF talent in 2025.
JT – isn’t the low cost of the starters not named Castillo exactly why they can spend on a veteran? I’m confused. They save money on their rotation, so they can spend elsewhere. If they refuse to trade a starter to upgrade the team, and don’t spend in FA, then they will continue to be stuck in mediocrity.
Chicken – Abreu, Anthony, Duran, Rafaela were all great (3+ bWAR). Then you had Yoshida, Refsnyder, Romy, Sogard, Eaton, Garcia.
They could have traded one of Duran / Abreu and have been perfectly fine.
If that’s not a surplus (4 players for 3 positions who are all great, plus many many great backups) then what would be?
They have five good starters but not six. Dipoto knows he cannot replace a starter without spending a boatload of money and prospects. It is better to keep what he has and be thankful he doesn’t need to fill that hole, too.
Joemo- absolutely, in theory they did, but both Anthony and Abreu missed significant time. If they had traded Duran, the OF is Rafaela, Refanyder, and some mix of your above mentioned. However, Romy played mostly first and second, Sogard rarely plays OF, and none of the others are stellar fielders. It wouldn’t have been a strength.
Chicken – and instead, their pitching let them down in the playoffs. Romy has mostly played 1B and 2B because that’s where they need him, he could play OF fine.
If they traded Abreu at the deadline, then their OF would have been Duran, Rafaela, and one of the others. And then they would have upgraded the rotation as well!
What would you consider a surplus if the 2025 Red Sox OF isn’t it?
Marco….
Scutaro
Polo…
The Aristocrats!
Mariner fans would get it.
Gonzalez on a Milb deal as a depth starter. He would have been handy and used last year
Filthiest joke ever.
The Cardinals have already stocked the system with pitching. They will pass on a gimmick of a switch pitcher. Will take position prospects better than Montes (DH) for Donovan.
Mariners had 2024 Dylan Moore. They know how quickly an elite utility guy can turn expendable.
Moore just didn’t hit consistently enough to be truly elite. He could draw a walk, steal a bag, and sock a dinger once in a while but he struck out a ton in between those. Lots of low batting averages and OBPs. Donovan is the more consistent hitter while also putting up good metrics on defense. He’s probably more Zobrist-y.
He was an elite utility guy in 2024. More SBs, more power, and better defense than 2025 Donovan. Donovan would take a step back at the plate moving to Seattle, which isn’t bad. But he is a high-floor DMo because of his consistency as you mentioned.
Donovan is not power/HR focused on is hitting, so I dont think T-mobile would have much affect on him.
-those are the kind of hitters Sea needs- line drive/gap hitters. Hitters not trying to muscle it out.
Weirdly enough ever since they moved the fences in at Safeco/T-Mobile Park over a decade ago to try and gift Justin “Warning Track Jacks” Smoak some home runs it really actually f’d it up for a lot of hitters. Line drive/contact guys just don’t thrive here like they used to, and the power benefits aren’t quite there either. Seattle is and always will be a pitcher’s paradise. I do think Donovan should be fine, wherever he goes. His approach is fundamentally solid, and as long as he’s average to plus at defense he’s gonna be valuable. Main role for him if he ends up a Mariner is that of the superutility. They don’t need him to be elite at anything, just good at a little bit of everything to bridge the rookies and give off-days to the vets.
You’re not wrong about the doubles hitters. Unless they’re down the line or bouncing off the wall, the kinds of line drives that used to become doubles and triples just hang there in the mist and get caught. The deeper fences allowed for more doubles and you had to have a premier defensive outfield to tackle it.
Never understood this take by teams. The Mariners don’t want to deal from their major league roster, a current area of strength. A couple years ago Baltimore was reluctant to deal from their stock of prospects, an area of strength for them at the time. If you have an area that’s a strength and areas that you have needs, aka an area of weakness, doesn’t it make sense to trade from that area of strength to address the area of weakness? As long as you’re smart about it you’ll generally come out in better overall shape.
You don’t understand why a team, 8 outs from the World Series, would give up 1 or 2 proven major league starting pitchers for a second baseman (Marte) with clubhouse problems, doesn’t want to play in the field, and isn’t a spring chicken? Or another 2nd baseman (Donavan) who is utilized better as a utility defender and a decent hitter? You can’t figured out why? Try.
Don’t see the cards wanting major league pieces. They want young players. These 2 teams line up very well. Seattle could use romero too
As the article states. Mariners prospects are also an area of strength for them, and they’ve stated they’re willing to use them to upgrade their already strong major league roster. Exactly what a team needs to put them over the top. Why weaken anything on the major league roster, minor leagues are MINOR, that matters?
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There is a big difference between guys that have made big league rosters and prospects as assets, especially when you are looking to enhance a roster, as opposed to building one.
Seattle is strong enough to chase better now, rather than bet on future growth.
It’s like they only want to get something for nothing but it doesn’t always work out that way. Also, players on the MLB roster can wildly vary in value and talent.
Hancock is on the MLB roster, does that mean they refuse to give him up? How do they expect to pay all of their young starting pitchers? Would probably make sense to move one for a premium position player and maybe go the veteran 5th starter/prospect route??
King- IF you deal from your strength; then what happens to your strength. IF seattle had dealth away on the 5 SP for a big hitter last year, they could have been in a BIG world of hurt it it was Castillo or Woo they had traded. Gilbert, Kirby and Miller went down for periods of time.
Arroyo and Cijntje for Donny, that gets you a bat and an arm. If they can pull that off then hats off to Bloom.
If that’s not enough for those two in the end then you could add JoJo from the Cards and a Nick Becker from Seattle.
I would rather spend $$$ on Bichette than give up top-line prospects for Marte or Donovan. Marte has been criticized by his own teammates for not showing up all the time. Donovan would be a good pick up, but not at the cost of two top-line prospects.
Big money to Bichette is basically the same as giving up Arroyo and Young as they’d be blocked and therefore also lose their trade value.
Always easy to say that when the money is not yours.
They are called prospects for a reason they are not major leaguers until they prove themselves trade when value is high not when it’s low….aka Harry Ford get it.
Seattle paying $$$ for Bichette is not an option. It’s trade or nuttin.
I think it should be an option, but you are right, it’s not.
You are really overvaluing your unproven young players. Prospects they may be, but history tells us most of them never amount to much.
One time saw a team give up little more than Jake Rogers and Joe Musgrove while acquiring Gerrit Cole, Justin Verlander, and Zack Greinke at their peaks. Donovan is a good player. An elite utility guy for the most part. A player of Laz or Jurrangelos talent only gets added if Romero is also included.
Jurrangelo Arroyo and Hancock for Donovan and Romero if not then pivot to try to get Hoerner
I Like your Mariners-Cardinals trade idea. Love Hoener but unlike the Cardinals, the Cubs are not in rebuild mode at all, I think they would want one of our Staring Pitchers even more than the Cardinals.
Not enough hily. Hancock sucks
Evans then…
There’s not much on the major league roster the Cardinals would want…
I’d buy $80 jeans in a store at the mall called Dipoto, Hollister & Co.
Who is going to help them the most win the next two years ? Montes or Donovan? I can see holding on to Emerson, Sloan and Anderson but the other prospects are not elite and won’t help the next few years.
How about a three way trade with Yankees?
Robles and Romero to Yanks, Donovan to Mariners with Arroyo, Becker from Mariners to Cards and Hess from Yankees
This is my favorite trade idea/package that I’ve seen so far
So the Yanks get Robles and Romero for Hess, who is not a top 100 prospect? You’re dreaming
Neither are that good. No idea what to even value Robles. Had one crazy year, never hit any other season and hardly plays.
Bravo!
this is actually a good trade all the way around
They essentially had a world series roster so can’t blame them. I’d like to see them add though.
Guys like Montes get vastly overrated by sites like MLB.com and more often than not become 4A players.
He’s likely a strong side platoon bat but has serious K issues to pair with that. I don’t like this profile but the home runs always catch mainstream prospect evaluators eyes.
I think if he’s a hit than you got Joc Pederson here.
I saw Montes play quite a bit this past spring training and I was impressed not just with his ability to put the ball with power but he had a good eye as well. The last game I watched him in against the Brewers he hit a home run and walked twice.
This is when you PAY A FREE AGENT. For the love. This ownership group is raking it in. You have cash dividends every year AND your asset has already double in value.
The free agent middle infielders who could be starters are Bo Bichette or Willi Castro.
Castro is better as a utility man and Bichette is a different level of spending. There’s time when supply isn’t there. I don’t see supply in the FA market.
I don’t disagree. It’s better to wait to see if Bichette’s market shrinks if/when the Jays pay beaucoup de toonies for Kyle Tucker. If he’s available in February, he’s likelier to accept an opt-out kind of short deal, now that Boras has overpriced him in the market.
Who would you go get then? I just cannot see the M’s paying Bichette or Bregman what they want. Open to ideas!
just Tucker. Bregman has injury issues. Bichette blocks all our infield prospects. not all will pan out, but even 2 of the 4 hit. thats cheap infield, so we can pay at least 3 of the 5 starters when we need to resign them.
I wouldn’t rule out Suarez returning. Not the most likely, but it’s still an option.
on a 1 year deal, maybe.. Even then, from a roster stand point, its an odd fit. Between Ben Williamson, and/or Colt Emerson at 3b. Saurez at DH, but then you have to get rid of Raley or Robles. Plus we gotta carry a utility infielder that could cover short. I love Suarez’s power, but those strikeouts are killing the team.
Ben Williamson and Cole Emerson is a foolish tandem to go into a World Series contending year with them as plan A. I get it, we all love prospects, but I can’t think of a better way to kill your chances this year. Remember Williamson was the starting 3B last year, the M’s were 44-41 with him. They were 33-20 with Geno. If Emerson or Williamson play so well they force your hand, great!! Counting on them to be World Series ready right out the gate is a little foolish, imo.
Oh, and if we’re getting rid of OFs, we could cut Robles for all I care. That guy is a head case.
The Mariners were more 33-20 with Josh Naylor then they were 33-20 with Geno.
Perhaps, but Geno struggled with 13 bombs in 53 games for the M’s. The guy produces even when not playing his best. I like Ben Williamson, but he shouldn’t be plan A. Emerson shouldn’t be expected to do anything this year, unless he forces your hand (like Julio in ’22). I’m not even saying Geno should be plan A, but the M’s can’t go young at 2 positions (2nd & 3rd), while chasing a world series.
I trust in the GM Dippito to play the market… but he really can’t let this moment pass. They are about to have to pay for their young cost controlled pitching the time is now. Trade for donovan so you aren’t blocking your younger players because he is versatile and can play everywhere. Then sign kyle tucker to lock down the OF. Trade your OF depth if needed.
C – Raleigh
1st – Naylor
2nd – young / Donovan
SS – Crawford / Emerson
3rd – Williamson / Donovan
OF – Arozarena, Julio, Tucker
DH – Refsnyder/ Raley / Donovan
With their pitching staff that’s a World Series favorite.
What would you be willing to trade for B. Donovan?
We are in a unique position of being a win now team with a top tier farm system and prospects that need to play. Donovan plays 5 positions in a sense, so you can “let the young kids play” but have him to rotate around and protecting you against one of them struggling. I won’t give up two top prospects for him. But Canzone and a top prospect I’d have no problem.
Except the Mariners are not ponying up for Tucker, unless you mean Michael Tucker coming out of retirement, because then maybe
They still are a small market team. Otherwise why would they have a comp pick and didn’t trade for one.
Seattle’s a mid-market team. They often behave like a small-market team, though.
I think Seattle will be disappointed in Marte. Donovan is much more of a team player and makes more contact. You need someone to get on base and be able to drive a run in by being able to play small ball.
Right, who wants a power-hitting second baseman who rarely strikes out, has a higher OBP, and offers excellent defense when they could have a platoonable utility player like Donovan?
Small ball doesn’t win pennants. OBP, power, and pitching do.
I feel like the Cardinals are asking for either Bryce Miller or possibly Bryan Woo (it would be insane to ask for Kirby or Gilbert) and as much as I believe that Donovan would be such an asset to the Mariners line=up, it is not worth it. I understand the thought to just pivot to Nico Hoerner but the Cubs are not in rebuild and would want one of our Five SP’s as well. Do you try and trade for a RH Relief Pitcher and the pivot to two bats and get Fee agents Willy Castro and Miguel Andujar. Castro can play 2B, SS, 3b and Out and Andujar can plat 3B, LF, 1B and could DH. I know that Andujar has a history of being injured but when healthy he can hit and Castro had a down year last year maybe a 1 year prove it deal cheaper than most would expect.
Woo for Donovan would be insane to act upon for the M’s, Miller might make more sense but would be selling slow and make a hole in the lineup that would need to be filled. Castro would make sense but probably doesn’t hit much and has several teams looking at him from what I’ve seen, so may end up more than expected despite the down year, adds IF and OF depth but wouldn’t move the needle much projection-wise, but would allow them to stash Rivas if they didn’t start the season with him at 2B, which could happen if they think Young needs more time. I wonder what the real budget is because they need more relievers.
Woo can be an ace.
Hes already an ace. His career era is 3.21. his K rate is right under 9ks per 9 innings. He turns 26 in 1 month. He’s as untouchable as any player in the AL. I wouldn’t trade him for anyone right now not named judge, witt jr, skubal, or crochett. That’s it
He didn’t look like one in the ALCS Game 7.
Well he wasn’t 100 percent after getting injured, so of course he wasn’t at his best in game 7.
ALCS Game 7 was Toronto’s fault, not Woo’s.
Hes no ace. He could be and on his way but we need to see at least 1 more full year of this production
You don’t trade an ace for an ace. Any pitcher is out. Woo is only traded unless you get some monster monster monster monster package.
That was his first outing after a month+ of being injured.
Insane indeed.
Woo is awesome, but he doesn’t fit the cards timeline to compete, so i doubt thats the type of player they are looking at. The cards are going to be horrible the next 2 years. They are probably looking for prospects a couple of years away.
Bloom is smart enough to know that he’s not getting Woo for Donovan. Not even close. He’s as good as or better than Gilbert and Kirby.
Woo was the Mariners #1 starter last season. The fact he got injured for the postseason was a travesty and if he was healthy the M’s were going to the World Series and then who knows what.
Straightball, he hits it very much. Curveball…bats are afraid
While a lot of teams are kicking the tires, apparently Tatsuya Imai does not have any concrete offers. He is a Boras client. If I were the Mariners I would prepare a solid but low offer and drop it on him at the last hour. Say something like two years at $12M per year. Let him prove he belongs in MLB and hit free agency again about the time our prospect pitchers are maturing.
I think Bo Bichette is another one. Too many teams have been burned on the long-term deals. He should have signed by now. Still I think a team friendly deal could be structured with buy outs, etc. that would make it possible. Crawford, Arozarena and Luis Castillo are all off the books next season. We can afford Bichette. Buy now pay later.
As for the payroll, Dipoto never said $166M was the limit they would spend. He said, “Similar to where we ended the year as a starting point” I interpret this to mean not less than the $166M they spent in 2025. That is the starting point not the ending point.
2 years, 12 million?
Even if it was a short term deal, it’s more like 2 years, 40 million. Bitchette isn’t going to Seattle (small market team). Where is your ending point?
Cubs? (200MM)
Astros? (220MM)
Padres (255MM)
Phillies (300MM)
I mean by their final spending, all of these teams likely will spend more.
I think we would be fine at $200M per season. We have several contracts coming off the books in the next year. Bichette should be a cornerstone of the franchise. He will not block anyone. The kids can always be traded for players we need just as Ford was.
I think his contract will include a no trade clause. 200 million per year. If he gets a long term deal, ~30 million AAV. Short term has even more. Add that to the totals and you have hit 200MM, do you think you’re done?
The teams that want him cannot afford him. They are all up against the tax or will be. That is why he is trying to expand his market by offering to play 2B. He wants a winning franchise not a rebuilding roster. I doubt he gets want his agent is asking for. There are only about 15 players in MLB that make $30M AAV. He will end up with about $25M per season.
Blue Jays? Wouldn’t be surprised if they signed both Tucker and Bichette.
He’ll take a rebuilding roster if it’s the best offer he gets. These guys don’t care about what kind of team they’re going to as long as they’re getting paid.
Part of the hesitancy in spending the last two years was due to the Root Sports mess. That is behind them now. We should be better able to project team revenues with MLB providing the regional sports package.
If they have 8 prospects out of the top 100 they shouldn’t trade any of them. Unless they are fortune tellers it’s not possible to predict which ones will pan out and which ones will bust. Throw them all against the wall and see who sticks. Especially if teams have to overpay for a guy like Donovan.
As a Mariners fan, I’m fine with this. Utilize the players we have and try to make them as good as possible.
Agreed, they can win without Donovan. Emerson will be ready to join the lineup soon. Some of these Cardinals fans think he’s bringing in some huge haul. It’s not happening.
Could see them trading Randy Arozarena in the right deal, he’s got 1 year at just under $20M. A little rich for a mid market club’s budget, but would leave a big hole in the OF. In a market deprived of RH OF bats, you never know.
Josh Hader of the Astros and Christian Yelich of the Brewers are two other players rarely mentioned in trade rumors, that wouldn’t be shocking to see get traded.
Where does Hader and Yelich come from? I would be very shocked if either are traded. And, if either are traded, it would be a haul of 80% premium prospects and 20% MLB because if either are traded, the team is really bad.
Hader has a full No-Trade clause.
Astros not rebuilding
Maybe at deadline but even then like he said. NTC
Crew qould have to be below .500 at deadline to move Yelich
Highly doubt it in that dog crap division
The Brewers would move Yelich’s 3/72MM left in a second. Yelich has a NTC with his 10 and 5 rights.
Mariners fans think that they won the division so Astros and Rangers are rebuilding.
Trade for Ketel Marte and sign one more good reliever, and call it an offseason.
What good reliever?
Cijntje, Dickerson, and a comp balance draft pick for Donovan
That doesn’t get them Donovan.
That does.
It should, but I don’t think it does.
I think it’s pretty close. I think teams like Tampa may have interest they didn’t have before stocking back up on minor league pieces. That comp pick would hold a lot of value, maybe more for adding to their signing ability for draft picks than anything else. The Cards really need a RHP with a great fastball for Donny. That’s why I think M’a have a great shot. Cards know they aren’t getting Sloan or Anderson, too.
MusialSuspects …great name +1
Starting to feel that the M’s should probably pass on Donovan, he is a good fit, but if he costs what is being suggested, pivot even if that means running out internal options. Prospects may be “overrated” but very likely Donovan is being overrated too, OBP+Versatility from an averagish defender for 2 years who is cheap has value, and a bit of an overpay could make sense, but not if it looks like what is getting floated. I’d sooner see them go with internals over some of these proposals. And the idea of moving from the rotation for him is crazy. Miller is the only one that makes any sense and is a lateral move and would almost certainly require more from the M’s so probably not worth it and requires replacing him and would be selling low. Woo for Donovan should be fireable offense for whoever greenlights it on the M’s side.
Trading a starter for Marte makes more sense, but creates an issue with the rotation. I’m thinking high chance it’s a combo of Young/Rivas/Bliss/Williamson at 2B/3B which is not optimal, but at this point feels highly possible and couldn’t blame them if they don’t like the cost of other options. They have Colt Emerson and Michael Arroyo on the horizon so may be fine at those spots and if they hold a couple of those prospects could reinforce in July if there’s a problem.
You have to understand that all of the proposals floating around are from us delusional bozos arguing in the comments section of a MLBTR article, and not anybody with legitimate connections to the teams beyond rabid fandom.
You can’t trade a top prospect for Davis. No thank you.
I think Cintje for Donnie gets it done and is fair.
I’m a Cardinal fan and Donnie is my favorite Cardinal. I love the guy, but I don’t agree with folks who say he’s worth more.
Cjintje Canzone and Peete for Donovan and Riley O’Brien
You can have Romero, but O’Brien is going to be at least good and maybe special…and with five years of control…no thank you, sir.
Take Canzone off and maybe. Mariners need to try and keep good hitters. Even if Canzone isn’t a true talent 140 wRC+ guy, he’s still a solid hitter who just broke out at age 28.
If the Ms could trade prospects for Freddy Peralta they could put Miller or Castillo in a package for Marte (Miller, Robles or Raley, Young and a quality prospect)
Just seems like that kind of transacting is silly when they could simply trade their prospects to someone else who has a good infielder available and doesn’t necessarily need a team’s top 5 SP.
This is the internet in a nutshell: a man who has proven again and again he can complete trades, and will even overpay to get what he needs, postures that he isn’t eager to give up a major leaguer in the height of his contention window.
So, we kibbitzers spend 100 posts criticizing Jerry Dippto about not being willing to do what it takes to make a trade!!!! Trader Jerry.
Bingo! Nailed it!
Good. Just go sign bichette. Keep the prospects
Cjintje, Williamson and comp pick for Donovan and Arenado with some salary paid. Mariners can then use Emerson to replace Crawford then either sign a shortstop or 3b after 2027 when Arenados contract is up.
Pass. Hold! Just hold. Wait until St. Louis asking price comes or until the Ketel Marte situation gets resolved. I’m fine with rolling out Ben Williamson and Colt Emerson at 3B. If you need a veteran stick, maybe Geno could be had for a hometown discount to DH. 2B has a lot of options, and the M’s have stood by Cole Young. I see Superstar when I saw that kid first come up. He’s gonna be special.
Williamson is Brooks Robinson at third base. He is so good defensively, would hate to give him up.
Yeah, I’m not reluctant to include Williamson in a deal for Donovan. I’d rather hold him too. Bottom line is that I trust Jerry and Hollander to make the right move when/if that time comes.
If Williamson was so good why was he replaced by Suarez at last years trade deadline?
Because Suarez jacked 49 bombs last year, but he tanked when he went to Seattle. So now there’s hesitancy to bring Geno back to Seattle. Williamson at least played Gold glove defense. He would have been a legit contender for a gold glove had he got to play the whole year. And his .250 batting average was serviceable but his .293 slugging was not. I’d rather have him and Colt Emerson fight it out for 3rd base over Geno than have to overpay for a player like Donovan. The Naylor signing was HUGE! A lot of teams dont realize that. Which is good for us, I hope they don’t either. Dipoto will wait til the time is right, like when we acquired Polanco, Naylor, and Geno for the right price. Or he won’t and find someone else. Its that simple.
If the contending Mariners didnt want to run with Williamson last year why would they now?
The overpay was Naylor not Donovan. Naylor is HUGE!
You sound like a silly homer.
Did you acquire that Nationals reliver for the right price or did that cost a top 50 prospect?
Must be good to know you’re going through rebuild! Lmao!
Because Williamson was a rookie last year. He went off to AAA and improved his game. Now we are going to get a better version this year. I love how the folks on this board assume our kids are never going to improve. Everyone does. with experience.
M’s were contending with Williamson. Nobody said anything about being better. You just happened to allude to it. All he he has to do is bridge the gap for Colt Emerson whose bat is his calling card. There’s zero rush to make a deal. I love how folks on this board assume that they think they know everything about everything.
Hi Dave Dombrowski here, I have Alec Bohm for ya and all we need is Montes…what ya think?
lol I think u are crazy if u think a top 40 prospect for a guy that was close to getting dfa’d with only 1 year left gets close to a deal. Not a snowballs chance.
If you look at all the MLB signings this offseason, Naylor and Refsnyder signings were brilliant and cost effective compared to the Alonzo type signings. Dipoto is pretty tight fisted with his prospects. I trust Dipoto gonna do what’s best for the team!
Naylor is a chubby 1b who had a good half of a season in Seattle. Refsnyder is a bench piece. The Mariners have lots of prospects. I know this is new to Mariners fans but they are in win now mode. Time to stop hoarding prospects.
Stole 30 bases. Not bad for the 2nd slowest guy in the League. But y’all don’t watch Seattle baseball, like ever. And why would you. But when Naylor showed up, he brought a nasty edge and grit. Things this lineup did not have. It was like turning on a light switch when he showed up. Things that a stat sheet won’t show.
I watched Naylor all his career not just the time he played with the Mariners. He’s not that good. He’s out of shape.
Yep and he still stole 20+ bases because he is a tub of goo
Fewer than 10% of MLB players last 10 years of more. With 11 years of service time Ketel Marte should be about cooked. Taking on the remaining 6 years of his contract thru age 37 is a high risk Dipoto should avoid. Donovan with five years of service time, is a safer bet. But he is going to need a new long-term deal to make the prospect cost worth while. I would pass on both of them.
I mean if they’re willing to trade Harry Ford for a lefty bullpen piece it doesn’t shock me to hear that they’d be willing to send their top prospect for Brendan freaking Donovan. If I was the Cards I’d take that in a heartbeat and lol for years at that high level of thievery.
Ok put the weed down and focus. Ford was not going to be on the Mariners because he lacks power and still is not a good catcher. They knew this last year when they used their 2nd rd pick on a new catcher with power. They traded for a LH reliever who will become a high leverage guy because he pounds the bottom of strike zone and then will smoke 102 past you. The Mariners have been really good at making high leverage relievers
Donovan to the Mariners
For Cjintje a lower level prospect And right Handed bat of Robles
Cards want a right handed OF to play now!
I would do that trade, Eric, if the Cardinals included Dylan O’Brien.
If you don’t like Donovans 22.8mil field value by fangraphs, at his salaries, you must hate Arozarena 23.1mil value at twice the cost.
Give Jerry Dipoto credit. He seem to have draw a line in the sand about how much he will give up for Donovan and he is sticking to it. As much as he wants Donovan, he believes the M’s will be just fine with Cole Young at 2B this year.