The Mets make another splash, acquiring All-Star starter Freddy Peralta and swingman Tobias Myers from the Brewers for prospects Jett Williams and Brandon Sproat. The teams announced the blockbuster trade on Wednesday night. New York designated right-hander Cooper Criswell for assignment in a corresponding move.
After losing out on Kyle Tucker, the Mets have signed Bo Bichette and traded for Luis Robert Jr. and Peralta. Tonight’s move is arguably the biggest of the three, as Peralta gives them a legitimate #1 starter atop what had been a talented but volatile rotation. He’s coming off a career season that landed him fifth in NL Cy Young balloting.
Peralta set a career mark with 176 2/3 innings while managing a personal-best 2.70 earned run average. He punched out 28.2% of opponents behind a near-13% swinging strike rate while issuing walks at a 9.1% clip. Peralta’s underlying marks have been consistently strong over his five seasons as a full-time starter. He misses bats at a plus rate with solid command. He had been a little susceptible to the longball between 2023-24, which elevated his ERA slightly (3.77) over that span. A dip in homer rate was the biggest factor in last year’s results, but estimators like FIP and SIERA feel he has been more or less the same pitcher five years running.
The 6’0″ righty challenges hitters with his fastball, a 94-95 MPH offering that plays up because of its plus spin and life. He backs that up with a changeup that he’ll throw to hitters of either handedness and a pair of breaking balls (though he only uses his slider against righties). His willingness to attack hitters up in the zone with the fastball leads to a fly-ball approach and the occasional home run, but it’s a worthwhile tradeoff for the few baserunners he’ll allow. Opposing hitters have mustered a .210/.288/.367 batting line over the past three seasons.
Peralta also brings an excellent durability track record to stabilize a rotation that was light on established innings sources. He hasn’t required a single stint on the injured list in three years. He’s tied for fifth with 95 starts and ranks 15th with 516 innings over that stretch. Only Dylan Cease and Zack Wheeler have more strikeouts in that time. Peralta and Cease are the only pitchers to record 200+ strikeouts in each of the past three seasons. He battled some shoulder issues in 2021-22, including a lat strain that limited him to 18 appearances four years ago, but his recent health record has been clean.
Mets president of baseball operations David Stearns knows Peralta well from his time running baseball operations with Milwaukee. He’s probably the best starting pitcher who’ll get traded this offseason, so the Mets would surely have been involved even without that connection, but the familiarity only made him a more natural fit. Stearns also brought back closer Devin Williams on a three-year free agent contract as his biggest bullpen move of the winter.
The Stearns-led front office wisely locked Peralta up on an extension before his breakout. Peralta had been an unheralded amateur signee by the Mariners whom the Brewers acquired as one of three prospects in an Adam Lind trade when he was in rookie ball. He worked in a swing role with mixed results over his first two seasons. Milwaukee secured him on a $15.5MM guarantee with a pair of $8MM club options over the 2019-20 offseason. It almost immediately became one of the sport’s most team-friendly contracts.
Peralta is headed into the final season of that deal and playing on the second of those $8MM options. The Mets will happily pick up that salary and the associated $8.8MM luxury tax hit. RosterResource projects them for a $365MM competitive balance tax payroll. They ended last season with $347MM in CBT commitments and paid another $91.6MM in taxes.
This is much more affordable from a salary perspective than were the Bichette and Robert acquisitions, though the pitcher is less than a year from a monster payday of his own. He’s on track to hit free agency before his age-31 season and could command the second-largest contract in the class after Tarik Skubal. He’s a lock to reject a qualifying offer barring a major injury. The Mets would receive a compensation pick after the fourth round in ’27 if he walks. As a revenue sharing recipient, Milwaukee would’ve gotten a pick after the first round had they kept him (assuming he signed elsewhere for $50MM+).
The Mets will presumably make an effort to keep him long term, but the main focus is on 2026. Peralta slots ahead of touted rookie Nolan McLean at the top of the staff. Sean Manaea, Clay Holmes, David Peterson and Kodai Senga are also penciled into what could be a six-man rotation — though the latter two have come up in trade rumors this offseason. Jonah Tong didn’t dominate the way McLean did after a late-season promotion, but he’s a top prospect who’ll be in the mix. They’re getting another touted arm, Christian Scott, back from elbow surgery.
Myers projects for a swing role but is likely to make some starts over the course of a 162-game season as well. The 27-year-old righty is more than a throw-in addition, as he has pitched well for Milwaukee over the past two years. Myers held a rotation spot for the majority of the ’24 season. He started 25 of 27 games as a rookie and posted an even 3.00 earned run average through 138 innings. He recorded a solid 22.3% strikeout rate while limiting his walks to a 6.3% clip.
An oblique strain sidelined Myers to open last season. The Brewers activated him in late April but optioned him to Triple-A after a handful of shaky appearances. Myers was up and down in a swing role for the remainder of the season. He was mostly squeezed out of the rotation by Milwaukee’s bigger arms, but he pitched well in the second half and finished the year with a 3.55 ERA across 50 2/3 frames. He had similar numbers over 12 starts with Triple-A Nashville.
Myers works in the 93-94 MPH range with his fastball. He uses a cutter and slider as his breaking balls and tweaked his changeup to more of a splitter midway through last season. The pitch got good results in a small sample, as opponents hit .108 while swinging through it almost 40% of the time. That should give him a better offering against left-handed hitters after he struggled with southpaws as a rookie.
The righty has between one and two years of service time. He won’t reach arbitration for another two seasons and is under club control through 2030. He has a minor league option remaining, which gives the Mets flexibility to move him between MLB and Triple-A Syracuse.
The Brewers deserve credit for helping Myers develop into a serviceable back-end starter. He’d once been a reasonably well-regarded prospect — Cleveland regrettably traded Junior Caminero to the Rays for him when the slugging infielder was in rookie ball — but he’d seemingly hit a wall in the upper minors. Milwaukee added him as a minor league free agent over the 2022-23 offseason, and he’s now a secondary but meaningful part of a trade that netted them a pair of top prospects.
Williams and Sproat each placed on the back half of Baseball America’s Top 100 prospects list, which was released this morning. BA had Williams as the slightly more highly regarded of the two, but they’re essentially within the same tier. Williams is a right-handed hitter whom the Mets took in the first round out of a Dallas-area high school in 2022. He’s on the shorter side at 5’7″ but has plus athleticism and an up-the-middle defensive profile. Scouts credit him with plus speed and a strong arm with more power than one might expect based on his size.
That athleticism was on display in the upper minors. Williams combined for 17 homers and 34 stolen bases while hitting .261/.363/.465 across 572 plate appearances. He looked no worse for wear after a right wrist surgery had cost him a good chunk of the ’24 season. Williams raked at a .281/.390/.477 clip in Double-A. He struggled after a second half promotion to Triple-A, where he hit .209 with a .285 on-base percentage across 34 games. That’s not a huge concern for a 21-year-old who would have been young for the level even if he’d spent the entire season in Double-A.
Williams is a patient hitter who has worked a lot of walks in the minors. Although big league pitchers will be better positioned to attack the smaller strike zone, he has the makings of a potential top-of-the-lineup spark plug. Williams has played mostly shortstop and has experience at second base and in center field. He’s likely to begin the season at Triple-A Nashville and could challenge Joey Ortiz or Garrett Mitchell/Blake Perkins for playing time midway through the season.
Sproat, 25, is a big league ready rotation option. A second-round pick out of the University of Florida in 2023, he debuted as a September call-up. The 6’3″ righty made four starts, giving up 11 runs across 20 2/3 innings. Sproat otherwise spent the season in Triple-A, where he worked to a 4.24 ERA across 121 frames. He fanned 22.1% of opponents while issuing walks at a slightly elevated 10.4% clip. He has a six-pitch mix and works in the 96-97 MPH range on his sinker and four-seam fastball.
Baseball America’s scouting report credits Sproat with a plus changeup and slider. They write that he has the upside of an average or better starter, albeit with some relief risk based on his average control. He’s not as highly-regarded as McLean or Tong, but it’s not surprising the Mets weren’t willing to part with either of those prospects for a rental. McLean seems categorically untouchable. Michael Marino reported that Milwaukee had tried to involve Tong in discussions on Peralta but were quickly rebuffed. They then turned to a Williams/Sproat framework. It seems they needed to part with Myers to push the deal over the top.
Milwaukee wasn’t going to move Peralta without landing a strong prospect return. His salary was affordable enough that they didn’t need to trade him for salary relief. They certainly weren’t going to re-sign him, though, and it’s their usual operating procedure to hear clubs out on veteran stars who are approaching free agency. It doesn’t make a trade inevitable — they held Willy Adames and let him walk for a compensatory draft pick — but Peralta joins Josh Hader, Corbin Burnes and Williams as recent stars traded within a year or two of reaching the open market.
The Brewers never go into a full rebuild. They’re coming off a 97-win season and advanced to the NLCS. They’ll expect to compete for a fourth consecutive NL Central title. Milwaukee won the division in ’24 after the Burnes trade, which was the most direct parallel for their decision on Peralta. They also landed two prospects in that deal, Ortiz and left-hander DL Hall, who were borderline Top 100 talents who were at the MLB level. Williams and Sproat are probably a little more highly-regarded than the players they got in the Burnes trade, though their deal with Baltimore also included a competitive balance draft pick and didn’t involve the secondary piece in Myers.
Brandon Woodruff will slot atop the rotation after accepting the qualifying offer. Quinn Priester, Jacob Misiorowski, Logan Henderson, Chad Patrick, Robert Gasser and Sproat could all battle for jobs. The Brewers haven’t closed the door on giving Angel Zerpa or Aaron Ashby rotation looks, though they’re each likelier to end up in relief. President of baseball operations Matt Arnold acknowledged that getting Woodruff back made them more comfortable parting with Peralta (relayed by Curt Hogg of The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel).
There’s a lot of upside with this group, but they’ll probably need to dip into the lower tiers of free agency for a back-end arm to provide innings. RosterResource projects their payroll around $126MM, roughly $11MM north of where they began the ’25 season. They should nevertheless be able to sign a starter for a few million dollars as Spring Training approaches. They wouldn’t have issued the QO to Woodruff if ownership weren’t willing to approve at least a slight payroll bump.
Milwaukee fans are familiar with the churn, but it’s surely a blow to lose another homegrown star and fan favorite. Peralta was third in franchise history in strikeouts and eighth in wins. He’s a two-time All-Star who has been a part of seven playoff teams over the past eight years. He’s out of the division but anchoring the rotation for what looks to be one of their top competitors in the National League.
Michael Marino first reported that the Brewers and Mets were discussing Peralta for Williams and Sproat. Pat Ragazzo of Sports Illustrated indicated talks were accelerating, while Jeff Passan of ESPN first had the agreement. Joel Sherman of The New York Post reported Myers’ inclusion. Respective images courtesy of Benny Sieu, Michael McLoone, Sam Navarro and Brad Penner — Imagn Images.





..better than the dodgers getting him
Those greedy pigs will eventually land Skubal..
Let the Dodgers trade for Skubal. (Before or after the lockout?)
Well he is a FA at the end of this year so would have to be before.
Americans are so funny in that they worship capitalism and people like Elon Musk and greed itself, except when it comes to sports and all of a sudden they have limits. It’s just kind of funny, the hypocrisy.
Who’s worshipping Leon Muks? The guys’s a complete dong.
@mark
Who worships Elon Musk?
lol no one worships dude. TF you yappin about? Capitalism has worked better than any other form of model. Let me guess, you’re a socialist? 🤣
Andrew said they aren’t in the SP market.
The Dodgers were never that interested ,that was a rumor, built an absolute sand just for the sake of having a rumor
The funny thing about the Dodgers is that they hate trading their top prospects. In fact, they hang on to many of them too long and then wind up practically giving them away, which the front office gets away with because of free agency. So no, I don’t see them making a trade that would suck up all those minor league assets unless they got an absolutely ridiculous deal in place where they swindled the Tigers and got to keep the minor leaguers they’re hoarding.
Which top prospects have they given away? I can’t think of a single one other than Yordan Alvarez.
Oops, Yordan wasn’t a top prospect
The Mets have beefed up their roster to the degree that their fans will be just that much more disappointed when they don’t go anywhere. Hey, it’s the Mets.
The Dodgers are ruining MLBTR.
At once the Dodgers front office is somehow deleting people’s posts, I don’t actually understand that comment at all.
The other thing I’ll say is that if the Blue Jays signed Tucker to a 10 year contract for a salary that would eliminate 90% of teams from competing with that contract nobody would be saying the Blue Jays are ruining baseball. It’s a dishonest argument based on bias and perspective or lack of.
Mark
The only salient difference between Dodger, Mets and Yankee spending is that the Dodgers won the WS, the Yankees quickly exited playoffs, and the Mets stayed home.
MLB, the Dodgers have taken negotiations to the extreme including adding signing bonuses and deferrals that neither of the other clubs mentioned had done to any large extent (to my knowledge). This has allowed the club to pay later and importantly while I’m not an accountant, take advantage of local tax rules that don’t apply to that extension most other jurisdictions. Add to it how Asian players seem to prefer the west coast for traveling home ease, how they have marketing advantages as well as weather benefits, etc. While some of these were always there, it’s magnified now and is a major concern going into b the next CBA.
I cant wait for the day Scott Boras dons a hat saying “make baseball competitive again”
Don’t you fret. Freddy Peralta probably already had a secret deal in place to play for the Dodgers next year. 6 years 6⁰0 million 589mil deferred until 2200. Paid out to any kids he may have in the future and great great great grandkids
Best comment of the evening, and you are probably 100% correct.
Giants fans salty about the Dodgers. Love to see it.
I think the whole league is salty about the Doyers.
It’s a lil more special when it’s a Giants or Padres fan
This commentator is just being snarky. I actually rooted for the Dodgers against the foreign invaders in the 2025 WS.
LA, the day of reckoning will be approaching. It wasnt long ago when a divorce and illegal real estate dealings ruined your club.
Tobias Myers is nice secondary piece to be thrown in. A bit surprised at that.
Brewers got screwed!!! Why??? Nothing for Peralta.
Nothing? Keep an eye on Jett Williams. Speed, power and defense – like a young Conforto.
What power? He’s also another undersized kid at 5’7″.
Jett Williams look like a Hobbit. Brewers got fleeced for sure
This is the kind of comment I wish gifs were allowed on here. I would post the gif from Clerks 2 where Randal describes The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings movies.
@ctyank7
Yeah, we heard the same thing about Urias and then Ortiz!
Don’t judge a book by its cover. I think of Williams as Altuve 2.o.
The ball makes that “sweet” sound when it jumps off his bat.
ctyank7:
Wait, hold on a second here. Have you actually seen Jett Williams play a significant amount of time to make this statement? He doesn’t seem to have a ton of power to speak of. How does he compare to Altuve? I’m not saying he won’t be a good prospect, but I feel like people are making things up to compare him to other small players.
@Juggy127,
No need to be unkind. The poor kid was named ‘Jett’ by his parents.
Nothing just say you don’t know anything about prospect lol Sproat is a top tier prospect who has big league experience and Jett is basically ready and has been phenomenal both guys have been top 59 prospects in the game at points all for a guy with only a year of control left
NO MacLean, Tong, Vientos or even Clifford! Brewers got fleeced because they’re CHEAP!
@Sharksfan. If they really wanted Vientos they could have had him
mets probably tried to throw Vientos in as a third player, and the Brewers politely declined
This comment thread rules
Man, this was less than what I thought he would command, but such seems the case with nearly every pending-FA rental.
I may be wrong (I usually am), but I wish the Yanks had pushed harder to acquire him. He’s durable, effective, and could slot in as an awesome 3 or 4 in a stout pitching rotation.
As it is, the Mets obviously are not standing pat, and I don’t [think] one year of Peralta (especially at this cost) can be a whiff. Mets have pivoted away from the Tucker/Belli drama quite nicely, particularly since they lost some key production, so I could see why their fans are happy.
I mean, Bichette, Peralta, Robert as the main offseason moves is pretty decent for a pivoted retooling, imho. With that said, Mets are still are little bros, trying to be all cute and run the backpages….(sorry guys, but I still bleed Yankee blue, so I had to…lol).
It’s been a huge off-season for change (for the better in my opinion though I do not advocate the Peralta prospects being given up)
Out: Nimmo, Alonso, McNeil, Diaz
(plus the plethora of deadline gets (Soto, Helsley, Rogers, Mullins), Acuna
In: Robert, Semien, Polanco, Bichette, Williams, Weaver, Peralta
Before this latest flurry, Fangraps had them seventh in WAR expected. Wonder where they are now?
I always appreciate your objectivity.
Its refreshing from the whiners
My prediction: Robert and Soto will get in a fight this season over who is the biggest pinhead. Wait and see.
Good for the Mets, and they didnt give up much.
The Dodgers will get Skubal.
Dodgers waiting for Skubal
And the Dodgers pivot and trade for Skubal. Ugggh. That would suck no matter what the return was.
They’ll pay for professional cooking lesson on how to make a proper pizza and 15 PTBNL Little Caesars just won’t cut it.
They didn’t want him. Simple as that.
An excellent deal for both teams although the Mets rotation is still subpar.
Pete’sView:
Based on what? Last year, the rotation finished middle of pack statistically. And they have Peralta and McLean for a full season now. So what makes them subpar?
true, but the brewers should have gotten more out of this deal.
Wow quite a trade that’s for sure.
Brewers racked up ! Way to sell high on peralta !
Hell no. They got 2 minor leaguers. Mets get 2 major league players.
I’ll easily take a bet that Sproat is a better major league pitcher this year than Myers.
Mets really have no place for Williams to play but I think they’ll regret trading him all the same. Brewers great with pitchers I agree Sproat going to be better than Myers
In the end though have to give something to get something.
They’re the same age and Myers has been in the league for two years now with an era that’s been in the 3’s each year. With quite a few starts. I’d say he’s a bit more proven right now and perhaps safer. Sproat has had injuries in the past.
Baltimore_44:
Possible but I don’t know that I would make that bet. Sproat looked decent and certainly wasn’t overmatched, but definitely needs some refinement.
“I’ll easily take a bet that Sproat is a better major league pitcher this year than Myers.”
@Baltimore_44
Myers was already at Sproats ceiling in 2025. I will seriously take that bet. Give me your venmo. Lets do this.
How much?
Miken31
Im not losing any sleep over Sproat.
It looks like he’s still working on the stuff that he’s been working on for a while like he has super inconsistent pitch shapes and spin rates which is either the cause or result of inconsistent arm angles,
He doesn’t really have any out pitches. His sinker, fb and curve do not have good profiles. His slider was ok and his sweeper was great but if that’s all you have you’re not going to get MLB hitters out consistently.
Also he might get have poor stamina but it’s not clear because everything else is so erratic it’s hard to track clearly.
I think they’ve been over him for a while.
You might want to read that line again. Myers already reached Sproats’ ceiling? Would kinda indicate Myers should beat Sproat this season no? Or Sproat has already reached his ceiling too?
Yeah I worded that pretty poorly
I think what I wanted to convey was that if Sproat had the same 2025 season that Myers had it would’ve been viewed as a sucess
The Brewers will work with him. I don’t think Myers is very good. He was fortunate in 2024 and mostly pitched mop up in 2025.
He’s a fine swingman but that’s the only role I like him in. They spun Priester into a gem. Sproat has more talent than him.
Lmao you like mop up duty? Because that’s what most of Myers appearances were. His arsenal is not special. He is a swing man. You’ll turn on him soon enough.
@padam
Just flat out incorrect. Myers is 27 and he was drafted by the Orioles a decade ago out of HS. Sproat is 25 and was drafted in 2023 out of college. It took Myers 7 years of minor league baseball to make a big league club.
There is almost exactly 2 yrs age difference , Myers is 27, Sproat 25. Myers really turned his career around after 2022, where he was 1-15 with a high 7 ERA in the minors.
Myers in 2022 was 1-15 with a 7.82 ERA in the minors. He really turned his career around. Can’t Sproat improve too?
Baltimore_44:
Myers pitched very well out of the bullpen last year. That’s the value I see for him for the Mets. I don’t look at him as a starting pitcher. I look at him as a multi inning relief pitcher, which the Mets really needed. I don’t think he’s a great pitcher, but I think he’s a pitcher who fits an important need.
Sproat is a starter Myers is a wingman, nf really a fair conparison.
Mets are also incredibly good at developing arms so sproats development could easily take a hit or he could figure it out on his own. Id say Meyers has a good chance to improve coming to queens and sproat is more of a toss up
Definitely
Right. And the Brewers develope pitchers. The Mets only hope to. Williams will thrive in Milwaukee with the way they play the game.
BaseBall Bob:
Fair enough. I know the Brewers are ready to raise yet another championship banner…
If they have no place for him to play, why would they regret trading him? Its not like he forced his way onto the roster with his play in Binghampton or Syracuse. He has been league average in AAA over parts of 2 seasons. He has been much younger than the average age in AAA, but if he was a great player, he would have forced his way onto a Mets roster that was pretty devoid of other competition in CF Would they have traded for Robert if they thought Williams could fill that roster spot?
MLB had a great article earlier this offseason that named Sproat as one of the 5 top prospect pitchers most likely to find his way to the pen
Balt, that is a really inane comment when you are describing a pitcher that has started 31 of the 49 games he has appeared in.
Add to an already ill-informed comment the fact that 90 of Tobias’ 128 batters faced as a reliever were in high leverage situations.
It pays to check the stats first before opening your mouth, or in this case typing.
Sproat is a closer to be. He doesn’t have the stuff to be a starter. MLB had a great article on that earlier this offseason. It is a big part of why he was included in the trade.
Myers was a starter in 2024, a swingman in 2025, and will be strictly a reliever in 2026. In the 18 appearances he has out of the pen, Myers has a 1.62 ERA.
Skip you gonna do some more great research like saying Arraez needs to stop moving around and he’ll hit?
fangraphs.com/players/tobias-myers/22191/splits?po…
Did you think I wouldn’t call you on this? He pitched 2.2 innings of high leverage baseball last year. He was used as a low leverage reliever to eat innings. Those 2.2 innings did not go well.
Pretty dumb buddy
Instead of admitting you made an incredibly stupid comment about Myers, you are trying to spin to Arraez and claim I said something I didn’t say. I posted exactly what Baseball Reference said about Myers AS A RELIEVER. You are posting as a STARTER. Why do you bother to troll when all you are doing is making it even more clear that you have no clue what you are talking about?
“He was used as a low leverage reliever to eat innings. Those 2.2 high leverage innings did not go well.”
That’s a pure fact. He was good as a low leverage reliever that was mainly used to eat innings. That was literally his role and the data is right there in the link.
Your comment
“Add to an already ill-informed comment the fact that 90 of Tobias’ 128 batters faced as a reliever were in high leverage situations.”
That is a lie. You first commented was made directly at me that I needed to do research when you just made something up.
Doubt it
Baltimore_44:
I’m reading this exchange. So your point is discounting his numbers as a reliever because they were not high leverage enough? So a guy pitches well in his role but you’ve deemed it was not high leverage enough so that means it wasn’t good? What’s your point?
Miken, he used stats that do not back up his assertion, because they are not just for his relief appearances but also included his starts and he also tried to spin it to something about Arraez because he knew he was wrong.
So your point is what? He pitched no high leverage innings out of the bullpen? Because he pitched 2.2 innings total the entire season.
There’s a big difference pitching in games that are not close covering multiple innings. He pitched low leverage innings out of the pen and was bad when he started last year.
& this is a complete lie.
“Add to an already ill-informed comment the fact that 90 of Tobias’ 128 batters faced as a reliever were in high leverage situations.”
Do you want to defend this again or are you going to admit you made it up?
Baltimore_44:
A guy can only pitch in the situations he’s put in. And if he pitched well out of the bullpen, he pitched well out of the bullpen.
Yes, I think they got two top-100 prospects for a one-year rental. Myers may be a pretty important piece for the Mets, though, as a SP/RP depth piece which they need given the injuries and youth on that staff.
The most impressive part is NYM didn’t overpay. I’m surprised MIL agreed to this deal, so they must be super high on one or both of these guys. So do the Mets immediately try to extend Peralta, or wait until later this year?
The Brewers have that pitching lab and I’ll assume will work on Sproats best looking secondary offering to throw more of. Williams I’m not sure how his SS defense rates, but seeing as he has CF history he should be useful when Mitchell goes down to injury on top of pinch hitting for Ortiz.
Chris Koch:
Oh my gosh, every team talks about their “pitching lab.” In the first half of the season, that’s all anyone talked about with the Mets when all their pitchers were pitching so exceptionally well. This pitching lab stuff is overblown for every organization. I’m sure sproat will be fine, but it won’t have to do with any pitching lab.
Look how well Priester was for Milw last season due to the lab. Thats who made the Brewers so successful last season.
Chris Koch:
Good Lord. Yeah let’s put Frankenstein in the lab too. It’s such nonsense. What do you think is happening in this lab?
Stop replying to the other guy. Every day I get notification of 5+ replies. Do it on another comment that isn’t mine.
I think the mets definitely overpaid. Jett will see as many all star games as Peralta from here on. And sporat definitely has a better ceiling than myers…if Peralta resigns then its an ok deal..but this is the mets. Peralta will strain his oblique by mid May be out til end of July then sign elsewhere in the offseason
Chitownchicken:
The Mets gave up the prospects that I was most willing to part with. I think you’re overrating them a bit. Sproat struggled a lot and nearly lost prospect status before pitching better in AAA and doing OK in the majors. His fastball is straight as an arrow and he’s not exactly young at 25. I think he’s a number three star pitcher at best. Williams has a lot of ability and could be very pesky player, but he’s really small and I think he might be a tweeter. I think the Mets did just fine here.
The Mets can either extend him or QO him after the season. Thats a 3 player for 2 trade in that scenario. Brewers needed more because of that fact.
@Chitownchicken Peralta re-signing doesn’t make the deal better at all they could have signed him without trading for him. What sounds better to you: Having Peralta, Williams and Sproat or just Peralta?
Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
That’s not necessarily true. I believe a team has an advantage in re-signing a player when a player is in that organization. Of course money talks. The other thing is if they sign him to an extension before free agency obviously that makes the deal better. Because that means they never could’ve signed him in free agency if he went elsewhere and signed an extension.
@Miken31 There is no evidence that having a player in your organization gives you an advantage in signing him. Certainly not when your owner is Steve Cohen who can afford to simply throw more and more money at that player until he finally breaks down and says “Ok, you win, I’ll sign with you!”
And is giving up Williams and Sproat really worth depriving the other 29 teams of the opportunity to try to extend him with absolutely no guarantee of success?
Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
I’m just saying it’s common sense that if a human being is comfortable where he’s at there might be a proclivity to stay there. I mean think about your own self. If you’re happy in a place would you not try and make a deal to stay there? I’m not saying it’s always gonna work out that way, but there is some advantage there. Evidence or not that’s common sense. What you’re not factoring is is that they wanted the guy for this season. They didn’t wanna wait until free agency. They’re trying to win and he’s someone they think who’s going to help them win. I don’t think it’s a factor that can be ignored.
I said better…brewers still stole. They may whiff on the prospects like in the hader deal but they get off the big names at the right time
@Chitownchicken They didn’t whiff on the Hader deal. Robert Gasser is ight and Esteury Ruiz got them William Contreras.
@Miken31 And I’m saying I don’t buy that. And that I would rather pay Peralta a little bit more than give up Williams and Sproat for the chance (no guarantee) that I’ll get him a bit cheaper. People said the same crap about the Cubs with Kyle Tucker last year and look what happened. Also, this is Steve Cohen we’re talking about. The prospects will always be worth more than the $ to him.
Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
Well, you don’t have to buy it, but it is human nature and it is true. People like to stay where they’re most comfortable. I mean, this is not groundbreaking information. Again money talks, but it’s against human nature not to believe that someone generally would have an inclination to stay where they are comfortable and to try and work out a deal there. That just doesn’t make any sense to me to believe otherwise. I’m trying to understand your point with Peralta. The only way they can get him now is to trade for him. So if they didn’t trade for him, what was your solution for a frontline pitcher this year? You’re very focused on the fact that they could’ve kept their prospects and signed him or someone next year. But what about this year? What would’ve been the plan for that?
Not one cubs fan(me included) thought we would resign Tucker
Which is why it was so maddening last trade deadline when the cubs didnt push all in. If they don’t make that trade they have cam Smith and parades and shaw and cassie…instead they have only shaw who they blocked by overpaying for Bregman. At least with the mets they are willing to spend. The biggest contract the cubs ever had was Jason Heyward…let that sink in
The prospects they got missed. They were smart enough to flip ruin for contrares. Again u really wanna make a trade with the Brewers or Rays?
@Miken31 If it is human nature then explain why almost every free agent signs with the highest bidder. Explain why Kyle Tucker, Juan Soto, Justin Upton, Freddy Galvis and Jason Heyward all left after one year even though their teams’ fans SWORE they would spent the rest of their careers with the acquiring team.
Yes, trading for Peralta helps the Mets in 2026. But only in 2026 =P
@Chitownchicken Again, the Mets being willing to spend is a reason against trading for Peralta.
As a Padres fan, I love trading with the Rays (Snell, Cronenworth).
Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
Yeah, I think we all pretty much acknowledge its money that talks in the end. I’m just saying if there’s a tiebreaker or the money is close, you’re saying players never take Hometown discounts? You’re saying when the money is close players never choose the team they were with over a different team? If there’s ever going to be a discount, it’s for the one you know, not the one you don’t know. Not that it happens all the time, but we know examples of that happening. Didn’t Aaron Judge reportedly take less money to stay with the Yankees? Once again, if a player signs an extension before he hits free agency then your assertion is wrong. Only the team that trades for him can sign him before free agency. Once a player gets to free agency anything can happen. But if a player resigns with that team that he’s traded to, the only way that could happen, is because of that trade.
Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
Spend for who? Peralta was not available in free agency. So what’s the alternative plan that you’re suggesting?
@Miken31 What I’m saying is it’s in no way guaranteed that Freddy Peralta will give the Mets any discount at all and even then you have to factor Williams and Sproat into the “real cost” of acquiring him. Is it more cost efficient to pay for Peralta twice, once in prospects and then once in cash, or just pay him a little bit more cash and keep the prospects? And remember, this is Steve Cohen we are talking about. Money isn’t an issue for him.
“Spend for who? Peralta was not available in free agency. So what’s the alternative plan that you’re suggesting?”
He will be in a year.
Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
Once again, you’re ignoring the question I’m asking you. Yes they could have spent for Peralta next offseason. They wanted a top pitcher for this season as well. Who would that pitcher have been then if not Peralta?
Already acknowledged that they wanted Peralta for 2026. That is why they traded for him. Anything that happens after that is an independent variable.
If the Mets win it all in 2026, what does it matter if Peralta extends or not?
Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
Yes, my point is you make a trade like this not because you’re necessarily more likely to resign him but because you want the player for that season. That’s really what it comes down to. Yeah clearly the trade is worth it in 2026 if they win it all whether Peralta signs or not. However, the other point is also true. If he signs an extension before free agency, the only team that could do that is the one that has him under contract. And there’s no guarantee that another team wouldn’t have done the same if they traded for him or that if he went to free agency another team wouldn’t have signed him first
No guarantee he stays with the Mets either and even if he does then Sproat and Williams must be included in the “true cost” of signing him.
Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
Certainly, there’s no guarantee that Peralta stays with the Mets after the season. However, does your opinion change if he signs a contract extension? Especially before free agency next year?
Would depend on the dollar figure. According to Baseball Trade values the Mets would need to save at least $32m on the contract for this to beat out simply waiting a year, signing Peralta and keeping Williams and Sproat.
Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
Peralta is reportedly open to an extension so we will see what happens
Sproat and Williams count as part of the “real cost” of signing him! And so does the saved draft pick by way of not having to deal with the QO to be fair.
Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
Yeah, well the cost of doing business if you want a player who’s under contract with another team.
Wouldn’t have been under contract with another team in a year.
Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
Well, as we’ve already established, first of all, they wanted him for this year. So this is what they had to do to get him for this year. And two, had another team traded for him, they might’ve signed him to an extension, and he perhaps would not have been available next off-season. You can’t make those assumptions.
“Well, as we’ve already established, first of all, they wanted him for this year. So this is what they had to do to get him for this year.”
Yes. I’m with you so far.
“And two, had another team traded for him, they might’ve signed him to an extension, and he perhaps would not have been available next off-season.”
Nope. No longer with you. Jett Williams and Brandon Sproat are not the type of prospects you give up just to eliminate the chance of some other team extending a guy.
“You can’t make those assumptions.”
How ’bout I do anyway?
Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
Yes, you can make those assumptions. And that’s why you’re wrong. Again I didn’t say you give those prospects ONLY to eliminate the possibility of someone signing Peralta to an extension. Again they wanted the pitcher for this season. If you’re with me on that then why do you make statements like that? By the way, at this point sproat is a pretty fringe prospect. It’s not the like they gave up their best pitching prospect and best position prospect. They gave guys up a cut below that.
“Yes, you can make those assumptions. And that’s why you’re wrong.”
Why? Because you say I am? Who the heck are you?
“Again I didn’t say you give those prospects ONLY to eliminate the possibility of someone signing Peralta to an extension.”
It wasn’t just not the primary reason it wasn’t *A* reason.
“Again they wanted the pitcher for this season. If you’re with me on that then why do you make statements like that?”
I never said they didn’t want Peralta for 2026.
“By the way, at this point sproat is a pretty fringe prospect.”
He’s on the leaguewide top 100. And I don’t wanna hear about “Guys at that level bust all the time!” They also turn into All Stars all the time. No matter what you say Brandon Sproat has value. The Mets need to win it all in 2026 for that trade to pay off regardless of what Sproat ends up doing.
“It’s not the like they gave up their best pitching prospect and best position prospect. They gave guys up a cut below that.”
See last point.
Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
Reason you can’t make those assumptions is because you don’t know what will happen. Sure, you can assume it, but you don’t know. That’s the point of me saying that. None of us knows. So making any assumption you want, but you can look foolish in the end. Sproat entirely dropped off the top 100 list and then re-entered at about 100 after he somewhat redeemed himself in the major leagues last year. He’s gotten pretty fringe. You never said they didn’t want Peralta for 2026 but you sure gloss over the importance of that one a lot.
“Reason you can’t make those assumptions is because you don’t know what will happen.”
And neither do you.
“Sure, you can assume it, but you don’t know. That’s the point of me saying that. None of us knows. So making any assumption you want, but you can look foolish in the end.”
It is a fact, not an assumption, that the Mets would have to say at least $32m on any Peralta extension to make trading for him worth it if they don’t win it all in 2026.
“Sproat entirely dropped off the top 100 list and then re-entered at about 100 after he somewhat redeemed himself in the major leagues last year. He’s gotten pretty fringe. You never said they didn’t want Peralta for 2026 but you sure gloss over the importance of that one a lot.”
I don’t gloss over it at all. I always prefaced that they want Peralta for 2026. 2025 was a letdown but they were 2 games away from the WS in 2024 so who knows?
Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
“And neither do you.“
Yeah, that was my point. I’m not the one making the assumptions. You’re the one who said you can make assumptions.
“Mets would have to say at least $32m on any Peralta extension to make trading for him worth it if they don’t win it all in 2026.”
I think this is at least somewhat silly. So if they get a $25 million break it wasn’t worth it but a $32 million break makes it worth it?
Exactly so assuming Peralta will magically fall in love with the place in one year and sign for an 8-figure discount is stupid.
Jett Williams and Brandon Sproat are worth $44.7m according to BTV. Then they have Tobias Myers at $7.5m. Then I deducted $5.2m for the QO comp pick. Means the difference in surplus value between what the Mets sent out and what they got back is worth about $32m give-or-take. Freddy Peralta needs to be worth that much to the Mets for this to pay off. A title is easily worth more than $32m. An extension would depend on how much of a discount it is for. And remember that this is Steve Cohen we are talking about. More money than God. He probably puts an even greater premium on the prospects.
Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
What you need to consider is that sometimes guys sign extensions to guard against potential injury or poor performance. You don’t get as much on an extension as you do in the free agent market, but guys will sign for the comfort and peace of mind that if they have a horrible season or major injury it won’t cost them the money. I’m not talking about this Pollyanna-ish nonsense about him falling in love and giving a massive discount because of that.
Cool. Still need to save that much money to beat out waiting and signing him in FA.
Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
That’s like a fantasy baseball mentality. These guys are trying to win. They’re not thinking strictly about what’s the value if I wait to sign as a player as opposed to the value for trading for him for now. It completely disregards the notion of wanting to win this year. Which you said you’ve kept in mind but you don’t really seem to.
I’ve kept it in mind all day lil’ bro. It is the ONLY reason the Mets traded for him. I promise you Steve Cohen isn’t worried about getting outbid for a player he actually wants.
Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
Ok fair enough. So far as I’m concerned, im not really worried about losing Jett Williams or Brandon Sproat. If you are, we can agree to disagree.
I’ve never subscribed to the idea of giving up actual prospects in order to *maybe* make it a little bit easier to sign a guy when you’re still going to have to pay him either way.
Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
Fine, but we agreed that’s not the main reason for the deal. The main reason is they’re trying to win this year and that’s why the deal was made.
Never said otherwise.
Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
Ok then
Certainly not because Steve Cohen is worried about Freddy Peralta being priced out of his range.
Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
I would never think Steve Cohen thinks anyone is priced out of his range.
Obviously not. If he was able to sign Juan Soto without trading for him first he should have no problem doing the same with Peralta, if he wants.
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Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
Are you a Mets fan or do you root for someone else?
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Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
That’s a bizarre response but what else should I expect?
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Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
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Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
By the way, your take on the Freddy Peralta trade is absolutely awful. Unequivocally, without question, a horrendous take. It was so worth trading two prospects who probably will never turn out to be anything to get Freddy Peralta. And the Mets will have a huge advantage re-signing him because they have him under contract for one year. OK hopefully I wound you up now.
Sure, Jan.
Fernando Ringworm Jr.:
I think the ringworm inside of you is eating that brain away.
Ok?
Fernando Ringworm Jr:
OK, glad we’re on the same page
I guess you’re considered a comic genius in France
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It’s a shame they’re dealing Sproat and Jett for one year of Peralta plus a spare part, when Framber Valdez is available for nothing but money, when Ranger Suarez went for 5/130m in FA (the Mets signed Manaea for 3/75m last offseason) and they dealt the two of them just because Stearns is allergic to signing a pitcher to more than three years.
How does this make good sense?
Stearns is willing to give up 12 years of excellent, top five prospects for a single year of a #2 SP (Peralta’s 2022-2024 he put up an ERA+ of 112 while averaging 139 innings a year—his 2025 was terrific, but it was a fluke, a career year).
The Mets payroll is now over $370m, assuming Bichette opts out after 2026, and they’ll sign Manaea for his age 33 to 35 seasons for 3/75m, but not, say, Suarez, at 5/131m, preferring to deal away a solid mid-rotation candidate and a solid up the middle prospect when they have no one of note behind Semien, whose decline is well underway.
It’s not a terrible deal. Of course it isn’t. But I don’t love the thinking behind it. .
Your argument is biased here fo Peralta. You’re skewing it severely in your direction when you include 2022 when he missed half the season.
He’s made 30 starts the last 3 seasons. That puts him up with anyone as far as durability. I think the Mets have given up far too many prospects for short term players. At the deadline and now. I have to imagine Stearns isn’t as enamored with the players and prospects he moved. He didn’t draft or sign nearly all of them.
I’m a Phillies fan and I roasted the Mets for the Bichette signing but this is a great trade. Plus, Myers is more than a throw in. He’s a good pitcher and won’t be a FA for another 5 years. I’m surprised the Brewers didn’t get more of a return. I know Peralta will be a FA next year but prospects are only that and most never turn out to be good players.
mlb.com/stats/team/pitching?split=sp
The Mets rotation was not middle of the pack last season.
Mlb rankings (30 total teams)
18th in era
22nd in hits allowed
19th in total runs allowed
22nd in earned runs allowed
30th in home runs allowed
1st in hit batsmen
3rd in walks allowed
20th in strike outs
26th in WHIP
11th in wins
26th in loses
NL rankings (out of 15 teams)
6th in wins
12th in loses
9th in era
13th in innings pitched
11th in hits allowed
8th in total runs allowed
10th in earned runs allowed
15th in homer runs allowed
1st in hit batsman
1st in walks allowed
9th in strike outs 26th
13th in whip
8th in batting average allowed
In a majority of these categories the Mets rotation was a bottom 3rd rotation in both the NL and the league as a whole. I’m sorry but adding peralta didn’t push the needle to anything other than an average rotation at best and slightly below average at worst.
They were a bottom tier rotation last year.
I’ll pick other stats:
Mets SP was:
11th in K/9 @ 8.66
1st in HR/9 @ 0.94
13th in ERA- @ 101
10th in FIP- @ 96
10th in xFIP @ 96
and 8th in E-F (ERA-FIP) meaning they suffered a lot from bad defense
Piazza
Is that in the MLB or just the NL?
The Mets used an MLB record of 46 pitchers last season. Many of whom (tong, hammel, pintaro, McClean ect) were guys that very few guys on the league have seen life before. Now Ofcourse you know when you’ve never seen a guy before and haven’t seen the way his pitches break/rise/cut ect that pitcher has the advantage and would artificially inflate those numbers.
It really doesn’t matter how you slice it the weakness of this team has been the same since the second Stearns took over. The have a weak rotation that can’t give you consistent length and a very weak bull pen that relies heavily on the best closer in baseball(by a WIDE margin) and a really good month from Rodgers and raley.
Adding peralta and a throw in guy like meyers while doing next to nothing to actually improving the overall make up of the pen (no. Substituting Diaz for williams and weaver is not an upgrade but infact a massive downgrade) is not going to improve the pitching staff to even an average big league pitching staff.
But hey. If you want to act like this is a good pitching staff then go ahead. One of us is gonna be right at the end of the season (or more likely end of may when Kodai is hurt, manea is hurt and the pen is the laughing stock of baseball) and smart money says it’s gonna be me. Have a good one.
Metsfan3112:
So why do the objective statistical projections disagree with you then? It’s because they’re using logic and facts and you’re using emotion. You suffer from recency bias. Go take a look at the projections. And all you’re doing looking at the bullpen is looking at last season. Again, you don’t seem to be able to look beyond a stretch of a few months to make conclusions.
Miken
Apparently trade rumor didn’t like my reply so I’ll try it again.
Recency bias is anyone who thinks that polocno is going to suddenly become a middle of the order bat after having one good season and on good post season series in his 11th year as a big leaguer.
Recency bias would be looking at Peralta who has exactly one year of being an ace when the year before we had a 3.68 era the year before while pitching infront of one of the better defensive teams in all of baseball in a very weak division.
Recency bias would be looking at Luis Garcia and thinking he can be a reliable back of the pen guy because he had a good stretch of game for the angels after pitching to an ERA of over 5 with the dodgers not to mention his 13 year career era of over 4.
Recency bias would be looking at an 8 game sample from a rookie pitcher and expecting him to basically be Paul skenes when he doesn’t have the track record in college or the minors would be recency bias.
Those would be recency bias statements.
Looking at the career numbers and the trend of those numbers is not recency bias.
Weaver has an era of over 6 in 3 of the last 6 seasons, under 4 in 2 of the last 6 seasons and gave up almost a full run more last year (in 20 less innings) then the year prior (3.62 in 25, 2.89 in 24). Those are not encouraging signs.
Looking at LRJ, if you remove the one good season he had (back in 23 with the juiced balls),he looks just plain bad. He strikes out way to many times to not draw any walks (28 BBs to 141ks in 24 and 40 BBs to 112 ks in 25) he does not hit for a good average (.224 in 24 and down to .223 in 25) does not do damage when he does make contact (.657 OPS in 24 and a .661 OPS in 25, 14 homers in both 24 and 25, 19 doubles in 24 and 12 in 25). Yes his bat speed is impressive but that doesn’t really matter when you don’t have a good grasp on the strike zone or have the bat to ball skills to make contact. Yes he has great speed but he didn’t get on base enough to do anything but inflate his own stats. Again. Those are not encouraging signs.
Devin Williams is a little more complex as he was on his first season since he got hurt (the end of 23 I believe) so his numbers might be an illusion and negatively effected just trying to get back into being able to handle a full seasons load. But that doesn’t mean you can just ignore the fact he’s essentially a one pitch pitcher who in his first and only season in a big market in a competitive division, couldn’t hang in a big market with a competitive division. So do I think he’s gonna stay a 4+ era guy? I hope not. That’s arguably the one where you can say I am using recent bias.
Looking at (Bo who had the benefit of playing in a dome) his lack of power is a major concern. Yes he can hit 20 homers in a dome but does he have the strength to do so in an open air stadium where the wind blows in? He also doesn’t get on base unless he gets a hit as he always has low walks and a lower than expected OBP with someone who flirts with a .300 average. There’s also the question marks about his defense having to play a position he has no experience in for a new team with a fan base that expects him to slide in and have a seamless transition, he wouldn’t be the first guy to falter his first season after getting a big check (remember lindors first season? And he’s a much better overall player than Bo)
I also don’t care about projections. This is baseball. Weird stuff happens All the time. Like last year. Fairly certain tht team was supposed to run away with the divisok and tie the dodgers a run for their money and look how that turned out. Look at how Montas was projected to be and how he turned out. Look at Pete’s projections and how he smashed them.
Bottom line. You can think this team is going to make noise and be great. That’s your right. But it doesn’t mean you are right because you want to be, this team has a much better chance at finishing 81/81 then it does even winning 90 games. You should also maybe google the term recency bias as I’m not totally sure you know what it means bud.
Metsfan3112:
And yet the zips projections have them winning 89 games this year and fangraphs has them winning 90 games this year. Projections aren’t perfect, but they use objective data. I don’t care if you care about the projections. Of course you would say that, because the objective data doesn’t fit your narrative. I can counterpoint everything you just said there and take the other side of it. But it’s really not worth it to me. Objective data says that you are wrong. You saying they are more an 81 team than an 89 win team is incorrect as per the data. That’s the bottom line. I would say you don’t know what recency bias is. How was the Mets pitching the first three months of the season? You completely ignore that for the last three months of the season. That is recency bias. You take data and skew it. But the bottom line is the team is projected to be better than you say based on data calculations that you have not come close to doing. By the way, I have no idea what your point is about Frankie Montas. Who was projecting him to do well?
Miken
Saying “I could do something” and then not even remotely trying to do so doesn’t make you look like you’re trying to have a good faith discussion. Neither does bringing up things that I didn’t even mention (the pitchers from last season) and then responding for me. I’m also not skewing any data as only one of the above mentioned players (McClean) was on the team last year so how am I “ignoring that to focus on the collapse of last year” and skewing it? Maybe take few seconds and reread your comments because you’re not making as much sense to the real world as you are in your head.
Miken
You must be a moderator on this site because it seems only when responding to you my comments don’t get approved/show up. So let’s try this one more time.
First. How about instead of responding to stuff you wanted me to say, you respond to the things I actually said. The only players who was even on the roster last season that I mentioned was McLean and a throw away projection line about Montas who was bad from start to finish. So I’m not exactly sure how I’m “skewing the data”.
Next the reason I mentioned Montas was that he was not projected to be one of the if not the worst starter in all of baseball last season. Yet he still was. It’s the same reason I said that the Mets team from last year was projected to run away with the division and give the dodgers a run for their money and why I pointed out how Pete beat his projected numbers. All of them were projections that were completely and utter wrong. As many many many projections are.
Third. I notice how you completely just ignore the things I actually did say. Like:
– polocno being an average (at best) guy from his entire career (except for the most RECENT season.)
– how peralta was a guy with one season as an ace(again his most RECENT season) and the rest of his career he was more of a number 3 guy (6 out of his 8 years he’s had an ERA of over 3.5 including the 3 out of the previous 4 seasons) while pitching infront of a much better defense then what the Mets are currently fielding
– how LRJ has one season (in 23) out of his 6 year career that he’s been even an average bat. 4 out of his 6 professional season he’s had an OPS under .750 including the past 2 seasons where it’s been under .670, how in 4 out of his 6 seasons he’s had a slugging under .450 including the last two seasons where it was under .400(.379 in 24 and .364 in 25)and how he doesn’t walk or have a good command over the zone (149 BBs to 636 Ks in 577 career games)
-how Williams is essentially a one pitch pitcher and in the only sample we have for him being the closer of a big market team in a competitive division he was an utter disaster as the closer for a big market team in a competitive division.
-how Luis Garcia is an almost 40 year old career mop guy who has a career era of over 4 and was pitching to an era of over 5 for basically half of his season (28 games with the dodgers 5.27 ERA/27.1 innings and 16 total earned runs and 30 game with the nationals and angels where he had a sub 2 era/28 innings 5 total earned runs again. The most RECENT hat of a season)
-how Bo had the benefit of playing in a domed stadium and still saw his power decline (29 in 2021 down every other year to only 18 in 25) which brings into question does he have the “muscle” to put balls out when the wind is blowing in? Do those doubles stay doubles or do they die in the air and are just singles/fly outs
-how weaver has a career ERA of over 4.70, has had an era of over 6 in 3 out of the last 6 seasons (including 2 of the last 4 seasons), how he’s had a an era of under 3.50 in 2 seasons of his 10 year career and how his ERA rose almost a full run over his career season of 24 (2.89 in 24 3.62 in 25) while throwing 20 less innings (84 in 24 64.1 in 25)
If you think that’s recency bias then I truly don’t know what to say other than google the word. It will not say anything even remotely close to what I’m doing.
Metsfan3112:
I have no idea what you’re talking about. Nothing I’ve said is outside the parameters of a “good faith discussion..”. You gotta get off that high horse. I mean, I bought them the pictures from last season because you’ve been talking about their pitching. That was one of your complaints about where I said they’re pitching stood in terms of last season. Again, you can keep ignoring projections, but at the end of the day you’re saying they are an 81 win team and not really backing it up with anything substantial.
Metsfan3112:
I’m not a moderator on this site and I’m not interested in your paranoia. If your post are disappearing, perhaps there’s another reason that you should examine. First, the Mets were never projected to run away with the division last year. I’m not sure where you’re getting your data from. Next, you are focused on Jorge Polanco only having one above average year and it being last year. So I guess you’re ignoring 2021 when he had a 5 WAR and 2022 when he had a 2.7 WAR. As far as Peralta, you are cherry picking stats. You’re talking about six out of eight seasons, when the first three seasons of his career, he only had 23 starts total. At least if you’re going to look at data, look at the last five seasons when he was pitching full seasons. The first three seasons don’t count. The guy is a clear upgrade to the starting rotation. As far as Luis Robert, from 2021 to 2023 every year he had there was an average to above average offensive season. In fact, in two of those seasons were clearly well above average. But that’s not even the point. All he needs to be is what he is, a great defensive player with speed and pop. And there are reasons to think he’ll play better than he has the last two years. And you call Devin Williams a one pitch pitcher who was a disaster in his one season as a closer in a big market. Look at Diaz versus Williams two years ago. You would’ve called Williams the better closer. There’s a lot of volatility with relievers, even closers. I agree he has to prove himself again this season, but I don’t think there’s any reason he can’t do that especially with how he pitched in the second half last year. Bringing up Luis Garcia is just bizarre. He’s like the sixth pitcher in the bullpen. Not really a big deal. Not someone they are greatly relying on. You talk about Bo Bichette having the benefit of playing in a dome stadium but you do realize that this guy’s home and career numbers are basically identical don’t you? His career OPS is actually slightly higher on the road than at home (.809 vs .803). As far as Weaver, I’m not exactly sure how I feel about the signing. He has had some recent success but again a lot of volatility with bullpen arms so I’ll reserve judgment on that one. Who is the set up guy that they should’ve signed that would’ve been a far better pitcher? At the end of the day even with everything you’re saying, and you are only taking the negative stats and completely ignoring the positive side, they are still projected to be about a 90 win team. I laid out the other side of your argument not because I think only the positive aspects will happen but to even out you, who’s only giving the negative side when there’s a clear positive side. And when it’s lay it all out, they’re still projected as a playoff team.
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Finally Stearns is doing something.
Yep, it’s called panic buying.
lol damned if they do, damned if they dont
He’s getting stressed out at people calling him a bad GM
Stearns doesn’t care what dumb fans may think about him.
GMs that care about what the fans think soon find themselves sitting with them
Freddy Peralta isn’t a “panic” buy. He’s a need, and a high quality one at that.
Not going to say it’s panicking when getting Peralta. For Williams, gotta give to get and he’s not proven yet. I’m surprised Myers was added. Same age as Sproat and did relatively well.
Myers is 2 yrs older + or – a month.
bluesteele:
The three guys I said could not be traded were McLean, Tong and Benge. They didn’t give any of them up. How does getting a top pitcher and making yourself better turn into panic?
They’ve been linked to Peralta for weeks though.
Panic how? it’s called making logical FO moves to better the team.
Yeah I’d be pissed if my team got Bichette, Robert, and Peralta…instead we got Moncada, Lowe, and the Tyler Skaggs fam (who deserved the cash by the way)…
If he extends Peralta it’s a great deal. If he’s a one year rental it’s a not so good deal. I do like that he got Tobias Myers in this deal. He can be in the back end of the Rotation or a 2 Inning RP.
It’s a good deal for both teams whether he extends Peralta or not. Jett doesn’t really have a place in the Mets lineup and Sproat has fallen behind McLean and Tong on the prospect ladder.
Just out of curiosity if the Mets win the WS in 2026 but then Peralta leaves and signs with The Dodgers or Yankees would you still say it’s not a good deal for them?
He’s been doing stuff. Signed a top-5 true talent closer who a lot of clueless fans think is bad just because his ERA was high in one fluky season.
Was he the better option over Diaz though? Or did Stearns just have a bias for ex-Brewers that he was responsible for? He had no choice but to sign him after letting Diaz walk.
Williams was signed before. You need to stop commenting on posts related to the Mets.
Absolutely huge. Glad they got a piece that they have control of beyond this year, can shift another rotation arm to the pen.
Fool
Yanks…I mean now the Mets pen of Weaver, Holmes, Williams.
Getting back at the yanks for Cone, Gooden and Straw I guess.
Peralta is a FA after the 2026 season…
Or you referring to Myers?
yep
Miken
It’s not recency bias that’s anyone who thinks polonco is going to be a good every day player because of one good season/post season run his 11 year career.
Looking a the last 2+ season of minter (both lost seasons due to injury) and the fact that even when he did pitch for the Mets he was Down from the high 90s(97-98) to the low 90s (sitting more 93-94) isn’t gonna give you more than around 40-50 innings isn’t recent bias it’s a legit red flag.
Looking at the last 1.5 years of raley (he’s almost 40, was hurt for almost 2 years) and thinking he’s not gonna give you more than around 40-50 innings (his career high is is 54.2 and that was 4 years ago before a a major injury) is not recency bias.
Looking at Devin Williams who very well might have been broken by Pete in the play offs because he struggled as the closer of a big market team and having questions about if he can hack it out side of Milwaukee (wouldn’t be the first player who couldn’t handle the big market pressure) isn’t recency bias it’s an actual red flag but out of all the pick ups I can atleast understand why it would look like recency bias.
Luis Garcia is what 37-38 and has one season in the last 3 years with an ERA under 4 isn’t recency bias it’s again another question of is that guy gonn give you more than 40-50innings as hes gone 6 years since he broke 60 innings.
looking at weaver who has had an era of over 6 in 3 of the last 6 seasons and gave up almost a full run more last year then he did in 24 while throwing 20 less innings (2.89 in 24 3.62 in 25) isn’t recent bias it’s a legit question as to did guys figure him out or was that just a down year?
If a half decade+ of a sample size is considered recency bias then I truly don’t know what else to say.
Finally somebody is making it interesting so they can try to ruin our run for a three peat!!
What position do you play?
I was gonna guess “wet blanket” but it seems you’ve got that covered.
Don’t feel the Brewers are getting enough. Sproat and Williams are good, but not that good considering it’s two big league pitchers they’re losing here
I agree although they only get one year of Peralta but Myers is under control for 5 more seasons which could prove interesting I think he has the upside of a mid rotation arm for them.
@Reply to Slightly optimistic twins fan
That’s what Cleveland thought when they dealt Junior Caminero for him.
Now there are three pitching-savvy organizations who have given up on Tobias Myers: Tampa, Cleveland, Milwaukee.
That should tell you something.
Brewers got an overpay because they weren’t expecting to trade peralta right now
sad tormented neglected mariners fan:
Overpay? For a guy like Peralta‘s track record they got the number 71 and number 81 prospects in baseball. Where is the overpay? Plus they gave another useful pitcher back to the Mets.
Mets prospects could be really good I doubt the Mets are winning the World Series with their 1 year of peralta while the brewers get better and even more deep
If the Mets resign Freddy then I believe they win the trade
Mets prospects are OK, but there is no certainty that Sproat will even be as good as Myers. People are also overlooking that the Mets get a QO pick if they lose Peralta. That has value also.
I’m surprised the Brewers didn’t insist on Tong over Sproat. Especially with Myers being included in the deal
Mets weren’t trading Tong for a rental.
Williams is a heck of a prospect. How many better prospects have been traded this offseason?
Not gonna lie, losing Williams hurts. I was excited to see him be a stud at the plate and SS/CF in Citi Field for a long time. I get it; a trade has to work for both teams. At this point, I hope we work out a long-term deal with Peralta to make the cost more reasonable.
NMK2
Go check out AJ Ewing stuff, he’s ahead of jett in some rankings* and I’m pretty excited about his future
i thought it was baseball america but thats not it, maybe JustBaseball? Either way Ewing looks like really promising
Williams is 5’7″ with mediocre power and a .256 batting average in the minors. He’s unlikely to be a star.
The thing that makes him exciting to me, as a Brewers fan, is his OBP numbers. I don’t care if he hits .256 if his OBP is .365.
Usually won’t be better prospects traded. You don’t trade special prospects. Rare to trade a elite prospect. Hard to great prospects.
Who was traded this year worthy of getting better prospects? I can’t remember. Oviedo got similar talent. Rays for Lowe got similar level.
Crochet got the great level tier top 50 but not top 20. But he was better than Peralta and had an additional year. Burnes got similar level I’d say a lil less but he cost twice as much salary although still cheap. Seems this trade was reasonable par for course.
Yeah I think including Myers tipped it away, they should have included a Baty or Vientos, since they needed a 3b, on top of the prospects. Brewers helping out their pal Stearns on this.
Brewers have no need for a 3B. Farm is loaded with talent that is close to MLB ready and can shift to 3B if a season is had in 2027. Furthermore, Caleb Durbin was beyond solid there all year, both on offense and defense, especially after he started playing more everyday after May. Baby and Vientos would be salary adds. Durbin is still in team controlled years. No need to add Baty or Vientos when salary creates a net negative based on Durbin’s on the field results.
Baty would have been a really interesting add (glad the Mets didn’t give him up though) – he’s got a swing that works well for their park (baseball savant has him with more HRs if he was a Brewer than a Met in 2025) and you could’ve slid Durbin to 2B, Brice to SS, and Baty to 3B and make Joey Ortiz the utility guy/defensive replacement. Would slightly downgrade the defense but I think the offense would be upgraded enough to make it a net positive for them.
Yeah Baty was worth it, already started showing it in the majors. And that alignment would have worked.
Salzilla: my guess is the Mets refused to part with Baty and Brewers didn’t want Vientos.
Most likely or maybe the Brewers just didn’t care enough about Myers to hold this up.
Either way its a good deal for both sides, I just like that extra additional piece for the Mets. Sneakily between these bigger adds, they helped their BP with Garcia and Myers.
agree – i was thinking Sproat+Jett was a heavy but fair price for just Peralta, getting another arm with a decent track record is a huge plus.
Myers is nothing special. He hasn’t been able to maintain a permanent spot in the Brewers rotation so he’ll probably just be a bullpen piece for the Mets.
He’s been that, Hank. And decent there.
Hammerin’ Hank:
But that’s fine because the Mets need some more bullpen help and he was exceptional out of the bullpen last year.
At least the ball is rolling now – spring training is just around the corner! Good pickup for both sides
Mets are probably better than last year now. Probably
They replaced Diaz ages ago and Nimmo was getting old. They’re miles better.
Nimmo was homegrown talent and Diaz wanted to get as far away from that godforsaken ballclub as he could.
The second baseman that they got for Nimmo is older than him. Granted it comes down to which one you think will age better going forward. Could go either way.
Why would the Brewers give this guy up? Are they throwing in the towel already?
I doubt it. They deal guys and usually still win the division. Probably because they actually have a plan.
But as a Reds fan, I totally endorse trading Peralta outside the division.
I echo those sentiments, Reds. Brewers are never out of it I guess….
They trade 1 year remaining players away. Get the best they can get. I am not blown away with the return but they are both types Brewers have gotten the most out of. Won’t surprise me if they out develop the Mets. It’s hard to remain competitive just losing guys to free agency. Kinda have to do it.
They’re basically the Rays of the upper midwest.
Had to. As little as he makes, all things considered, they were under orders to cut payroll and he was one of their bigger salaries.
Apparently you’ve never noticed that the Brewers trade assets in their last year of control for future stars. Both pickups from the Mets are top 100 prospects with years of control. It’s how they stay competitive every year.
Of course I notice their business model. I don’t think it’s a good one since 1). there is no guarantee what you get will turn out bette than what you already have, and 2). championships are often won by upper talent stars.
This is why the Brewers or the Rays, or whoever thinks this business model is something more than it is, will never win the WS. You can’t face the best teams of the year with a well-platooned squad of league replacement players.
Yes, but no low budget team is winning the World Series anyway. It’s been done once in the last 20 years (KC).
LOL, so what’s the solution? The Brewers are among the best-run organizations in baseball and have been for a decade. They won 97 games last season with the 24th(?) highest payroll. This is how they do it. You’re right about the World Series though. Hard to picture that until you have megastars at young ages. playing for peanuts. And you might just see that very soon.
They are paying Brandon Woodruff 22million next season but could have kept Peralta for 8million. Things that make ya go hmmmm
Pretty obvious how that happened.
A healthy Brandon Woodruff will outpitch Peralta too.
The healthy part is the problem though.
They’re a poverty franchise on a shoestring budget walking a tightrope of competitiveness. He’s too good to play for a peasant class of owners. Only the high nobility teams and their fans deserve players of Freddy Peralta quality
Whatever. They’re one of the best and most smartly run franchises in baseball.
“They’re one of the best and most smartly run franchises in baseball, that has never won a World Series.”
This is more accurate.
Built by David Stearns might I add.
Yes, but no low budget team is winning the World Series anyway. It’s been done once in the last 20 years (KC).
We’re going to have to have a conversation about Matt Arnold being better than Stearns. Hard to believe because I was a big Stearns guy.
He signed 2 of the best international prospects in 2024. The Priester & Vaughn trade were absolute home runs. Arnold is a top 5 GM.
They signed a position player to a contract that dwarfs Peralta. They develop pitching and trade when the value is high. Considering how even the best starters can barely crack 200 innings I say they allocate their resources where it’s more needed. While not spending more money than needed on what they are good at developing.
said the douchebag
Woodruff accepted his QO. Worst hitter on team was SS Ortiz. Williams now makes competition on Ortiz. Milwaukee has some SPs returning on top Misiorowski will have higher workload. Sproat is ML ready. Freddy is good but not efficient. One of the best 5 inning pitchers. 6? Or 7 innings? Not often. No more headache on pulling him in the 4th or battling to make it 5.
Probably trying to replicate what they did with Corbin Burnes
Good trade for both teams. LGM!
I’ll be a lot more comfortable if they extend Peralta. Williams is a huge loss for a rental.
QO gets Mets a redo to draft next Williams if he isnt extended.
Why would it make you any more comfortable when they could have just signed Peralta a year from now without giving up Williams?
But I was told by all the whiners that Stearns clearly doesn’t know what he’s doing.
If he doesn’t resign Peralta this isn’t a good deal. Sproat should be a #3 SP and at least a floor of a high end RP. Jett is an everyday solid 3 WAR Player at 2B, SS, or CF.
KennyF’nPowers:
I think the fairest assumption is that they will sign Peralta to a long-term deal.
Even if your faith in these prospects is correct and they succeed when so many prospects fail so what. Stearns knows how to build a farm system. Mets can spend 400 million. If they needed a solid everyday player in cf they just offload some garbage spare parts for Robert. Need a 2b just give Polanco 2m. Why keep a prospect mid rotation starter when they can trade for a #1. Goals the playoffs world series. They want sure thing horses. Not potential possibly. Stearns with Mets resources can find a Williams Sprout and every draft. And when he finds better they will keep them.
Kenny: that’s a whole lot of guesswork.
You have to give up some decent players or prospects to get a top starting pitcher, even if it’s only for one year.
QO after 2026 gets Mets a pick to draft next Williams. Brewers should have gotten a 3rd player instead of the other way around.
The Myers pickup is stealthy. I think he is very underrated.
You check his starter reliever splits? K rate low last year. Brewers really really know their pitching. Don’t think they would have given him up if he was anything special. I haven’t looked at him enough but just some thoughts.
He’s a throw in, the least talented of the four players involved. He had a 6.8 k/9 last year and that was with most of his appearances coming in relief, where guys usually raise their k rate.
Murphy lost faith in him last year, pulling him after two innings of A start early in the year, and then he was in DL/AAA limbo for much of the summer.. Don’t think he did enough to earn another chance with the emergence of Priester and Miz.
Man, it really stinks when your team is doing nothing this offseason and seeing your division rivals and other teams splurge on new players.
But dang, a nice pick-up for Queens.
You must be a Tigers fan…
Rangers.
I am trying to be a rangers fan now because they got Nimmo, but damn, they couldn’t even make an offer to Murakami? Just gonna roll with Pederson and Burger? mid.
Nobody in the Tigers division is doing much.
You traded away the better player Semien who’s contract expires sooner to save a miniscule aav.
Better now though right? Gore is an excellent pickup.
There has to be more going to Milwaukee or else that’s a horrible trade for the Brewers. Two quality pieces heading their way but they need more for a guy of Peralta’s stature & Myers is a solid big league arm, too. Woof.
Peralta’s a free agent next winter, which is partially why. Also, Brewers probably wanted better prospects to plug in soon and not a bunch of bulk.
Two top 100 players and Jett is going to be a stud! Hate to lose him but you have to give up in order to get. Sproat has potential to be a 2 or 3 in rotation fora long time. Long run this is better for Milwaukee.
This is the key. Two top 100 for one year of peralta and a young guy who might be good. I think they did well here.
Long run Mets either extend Freddy or draft pick comp for the longerer better run win.
And Williams is a HUGE gamble. He was great last year but borderline busting in ‘24. Tiny dudes with big swings aren’t a real common MLB demographic. And I’m not sure where Milwaukee will play him other than as a utility guy.
Andy Williams, seam? legend! amazing voice of his time. Great mention!
write off his 2024 numbers.- he had a nagging wrist injury that really messed up his batting numbers. i think he’s going to be a very solid up-the-middle guy who’ll hit 15-20 HR with everyday play and steal a good amount of bases.
I don’t think Williams is a stud. Don’t think Stearns would trade a stud for a rental. Fair trade though. Similar to Burnes return. Crochet got 2 of the next tier of prospects but he was better and had 2 years.
Since Jett can play CF as well around the infield, he gains playing time as Ortiz replacement, when Perkins&Bauers lose their team control for OF. + Yelich contract ending soon.
CF is my guess . After Garrett Mitchell inevitably gets hurt again.
The fact that he’s a rental hurts his value. I think this is a great trade for both teams.
Feels like Brewers still like Stearns and did him a favor. If I was a Brewers fan I would be pissed, Williams is not going to be impactful with the bat.
BOOM
Mets and Phillies fighting for that NL East crown. They are the top 2 teams behind LA now.
Don’t sleep on the Rockies. They made a few moves too.
I’ll never sleep on my Rockies dynasty.
After LA all about the same. Milwaukee can overcome losing 1 starter. Chicago is good. Maybe Padres Braves are a bit below but right their in conversation. Mets are probably next best to LA. Philly getting older. Lost a key pitcher. Another one coming back from injury. Reds made playoffs last year. If pirates add another bat. D backs could do something. Maybe the Giants. Going to be a brutal fight.
Not sure if Philly is in that convo….
Phillies having a rough offseason though. Lost Suarez and haven’t added anything of substance
I think they will be fine. Wayyy too much talent on that team.
Philly aging fast. What’s Wheeler going to be like. Can still get wild card or even win division but Mets seem stronger.
@AI GM,
Relatively speaking, the Phillies are aging at the same rate as every other MLB team. Claiming otherwise would defy the laws of physics.
But if you know some spooky, supernatural, Stephen King-type stuff, do tell!
If Wheeler comes back healthy, Phillies are the second best team in NL after Dodgers.
If Wheeler is damaged goods, then the rotation is Sanchez, Luzardo, Painter, Walker and that is not good enough.
Slot Aaron Nola into that third slot, but he looked awful last year.
Phillies are paying more for the same team, minus Ranger Saurez and Wheeler. They need to sign Eugenio and Bader to have a chance.
The DD effect is in Full Swing. 4 or 5 years of magic, then lots lots of holes start to appear. Welcome to the 2020 Red Sox.
It’s so crazy to me how a fanbase swears that their trade asset is going to demand a tremendous haul and then it happens and your reaction is, meh. That’s it? Fans were swearing any Yanks package would require a Gil or Dominguez plus a couple of real prospects. Clearly Peralta is good but no Chelsea Clinton. But begs the question, “we couldn’t beat that”? But I guess we already have 5 guys plus Cole and Rondon already.
Who’s Rondon? Former Cub Hector?
No you’re just vastly overvaluing Dominguez and Gil.
Brewers fan base should have expected this return. Burnes got 2 top 100 or around it prospects. Peralta got the same. These prospects probably better and safer which Burnes making 7m less and another player included they should be.
Was that a Rush Hour reference?
“…50…million…dollars?! Man, who do you think you kidnapped? Chelsea Clinton?!”
If so….cool.
Including Tobias Myers makes the Brewers return meh.
Dodgers getting skubal now to up one up this lol
The Mets and Dodgers will battle it out for Skubal next offseason as they did for Tucker this one.
Just proves how inept SOX fromt office is. You couldn’t get Sproat or Williams for Robert? The day Reinsdorf and Getz are gone will be the biggest party ever on the South Side.
LouBob trade was a salary dump, plain and simple
denny816:
You’re comparing Peralta to Robert? No the White Sox could not get either of those prospects for Robert.
Robert had big time negative value. They did very well to get Acuna, and I’m not high on him at all.
And if this results in an Acuna family reunion in Chicago…genius
ESPN agrees with your take: Mets c+, White Sox A-
Dumpster Divin Theo:
Oh, if ESPN said it, then I guess it must be true huh?
No…They couldn’t.
Acuna is alot better batter then Jett Williams.
Disagree. But I think Acuna will also blossom this year.
As for the value of Robert? $20m and that production level was not fetching anything more.
Jdawginsc:
I think Acuna’s ceiling is average every day player offensively and plus player defensively. I don’t see more than that in him. As far as the $20 million for Robert, it’s not like the White Sox were locked into that. They chose to pick up his option. It’s not like they did so well to dump his money. They didn’t even need to pick it up to begin with. But they picked it up and got a fringe second level prospect in Acuna. That’s certainly better than nothing.
I was disagreeing with Chisox378 above saying that Acuna was better than Williams but acknowledged Acuna will blossom.
They are oddly similar players with Williams having more power but they are both young.
Jdawginsc:
Understood. This site is oddly hard to follow at times.
nah
Wonder if the extension is next
Definitely. Shocked if not by Spring Training. This is why only a few teams could realistically bid on him.
By your logic the Mets should have never traded for Freddy and just offered him whatever he wants next offseason.
Gotta give up quality to get quality. Sproat and Williams definitely have the talent to make this deal look bad down the line, but that’s what you give up to get front of the rotation pitchers. And they desperately needed one.
Wow, that’s a great trade by the Mets. Williams and Sproat are legitimate prospects (mlb.com has them number three and five in the system and baseball America has them number 71 and 81 in the top 100 prospects), but definitely not the very best in the system. I can live with that price.
I would have argued that Williams was at the top of the system. Him, McLean and Benge were top 3 (not in that order necessarily).
NMK 2:
Williams is a very solid prospect, but McLean and Benge definitely surpassed him.
Tong and Ewing have surpassed as well
I still think williams will be very good.
My prediction last year of the young 3 pitching prospects:
Sproat – 1st to Tommy John
But I actually wanted to see the prospects play after “losing” the favorite players. This is just polishing a turd.
The Mets also have Senga, Clay Holmes, David Peterson, Christian Scott… Let’s calm down a bit
chandlerbing is an anti-Mets troll. Ignore him. They could trade Vientos for Ohtani straight up and he’d be bashing them. He’s a fool.
Lol got it, thanks for the heads up. Won’t engage in the future… LFGM
@joe: LGM!
Senga should’ve gone to Milwaukee in this trade. He’s damaged goods after being buried in the minors in September and not called up for that final series that decided the fate of LOLmets.
How’s your Yankee offseason going, Chuck? Talk about LOL!
Bronx Bombers tend to spend wisely, not like the ballclubs in Queens or Chavez Ravine.
I still believe in Senga… He can be dominant again… But also, if he’s damaged goods then why would the Brewers want him in return?
Get him as far away from Citi Field as possible.
“Bronx Bombers tend to spend wisely, not like the ballclubs in Queens or Chavez Ravine.”
Jacoby Ellsbury, Carl Pavano, Brian McCann
Can’t predict injuries. Anybody can suffer career killing ailments at any time. Hell, Judge could step on a lego tonight and be out for the year because of it.
@Chucky: Yankees have so far spent almost $80 million for 79 starts of a 102 ERA+ from Carlos Rodon. Only $70 million more left on his deal!
Ellsbury. That alone is enough.
I think Senga has nasty stuff, but poor command sometimes and questionable durability.
Bonilla lol 😂 end of story
This is chandlers 40th account
BTW the money saved by deferring Bonillas contract allowed us to get Mike Hampton who had 4.5 WAR for the Mets and the comp pick when he signed w the Rockies became David Wright (49,2 WAR)
Oh yeah, Brewers were gonna dish out twice that cash for that bum as they would have for Freddy.. 4-D chess.
You never want a guy like Senga with a 3.02 ERA. I mean he must stink…like Rodon, Gil, Schmidt, and Warren who all had higher ERA’s than that
and…
wait for it…
Cole who had a 3.41 ERA before he got hurt in 2024.
Peralta
McLean
Holmes
Peterson
Senga
Manaea
Using career numbers and leaving possibly the best pitcher out, that is the #7 rotation in ERA in baseball.
Using the last 3 seasons, counting only starts, and leaving possibly the best pitcher out, that is the #9 rotation in baseball.
I didn’t think it was fair to the trolls to include Mclean and his 2.06 ERA in 8 starts last season or Holmes and Peterson as relievers.
Brewers are still going to win 95 games and I bet Williams and sproat will become regulars for them
I’m sure that’s why they wanted those type of prospects they wanted guys who could make an impact even next year.
Mets don’t have many other options, they’re all either right now or too far down the line to matter for a frontline guy
yogineely:
Not sure where you’re getting this from. The Mets top six prospects now all have an ETA of 2026 or 2027.
It’s crazy how competitive they’ve been for years despite all that roster turnover. Yelich has got to be the only player left from the 2018 squad that first broke out.
No idea where Jett will play. They have solid guys at 2B, SS, and CF, and that’s it as far as where he’s played.
Probably a bit of everywhere. If he’s hitting well he can play every day at a different position like Brendan Donovan does. Scooting over to 3B from SS/2B isn’t unheard of, nor is CF to LF/RF all that crazy either. I look at the Brewers depth chart on fangraphs and CF/LF are fairly soft spots on the projections.
Versatility is an enormous facet of the Brewers game plan. With injuries and rest, there are enough innings and PAs to go around for everyone. So he will be playing all over.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan:
That’s fine. I still think the Mets end up with the best player in the trade by far.
Brewers won’t win 95 games! Unbelievable how many Brewer fans and many others here keep buying the MKE FO bs.
To be fair, that’s what literally everyone said about the Brewers last year and look what happened. All they do is win. But only in the regular season lol
Jett and Sproat are fair value for a 1-year TORP. I figured Sproat would go. Wanted to keep Jett but AJ Ewing is probably a better prospect in a year.
Jacob Reimer, though 3B/1B, is another infield prospect who the Mets are high on.
Love ewing. Would have rather seen reimer go in the deal than Jett but they wouldnt have done it then.
they got rid of Williams at the absolute height of his value. fleeced the brewers imo.
Not a fleece by any means
I would definitely call not making the playoffs leaving
Huge move by Stearns.
exactly what they needed
Not rocket science but we all don’t really know what the true potential of our so called high potential prospects is. Proven players that have a record of big show performance are so much more valuable. Just ask the crew from Guggenheim.
Brewers get a big return. Mets get a 1 year ace that’s a top 15 starting pitcher in MLB, if not fringe top 10 potential (finished 5th in Cy Young). Over 200ks for 3 straight seasons. Mets preserve Benge, Tong and McLean…I guess part of having prospects is trade capital
left in 1986. never came back
Seems like not enough back for the brewers. Would have been a good return for Peralta but adding in Myers Mae’s it feels like.
Gotta think the Mets are gonna trade a starter or two
Like the return for Milwaukee, but sucks to see Freddy leave regardless.
C Mets they just paid the price. Expensive because of salary and potential draft pick.
B Brewers. Speed lil pop potential cf reasonable b k. A pitcher who is good not great but the type they can work with.
nonsense
Dr.Zeus also said that life outside the forbidden zone was nonsense. “scientific heresy” he called it. Taylor knew otherwise
AI GM:
The Mets gave up the number 71 and 81 prospects in baseball. They have better prospects than those guys. I’m not sure how you come up with your grading system.
Mets paid fair price. Thought about it a bit and they did on tbe better end of fair. So B to C+ I will give B. I think they did better than just fair value with getting an additional player.
Might reverse these. B Mets C Brewers. Peralta is truly great not tier 1 but next. Dirt cheap. Sprout isn’t currently projecting TOR more mid. Williams is a lil guy with hr concerns. Mets got a reliever emergency starter as well with lots of years. Win win fair trade but I think Mets won more.
It does feel like the disparity between the big market and small market teams is at an all time high. This whole offseason the rumors have been monopolized by the Dodgers, Mets, Phillies, Jays, Red Sox, and Yankees. Outside of the Astros getting Imai and the Cubs signing Bregman, it’s been a very underwhelming offseason. But what amazes me about it is that while some of these teams did spend their way there (Tucker, Bichette, Schwarber, Bellinger), most of these have been trades. Literally any team could have been in on Peralta with his price tag, and yet it’s the Mets getting it done. I’m not frustrated at the league. I wish my team would do something. I wish the AL Central would do something. I wish the fans in DC and Cincinnati and Tampa had something to cheer about. Lockout is imminent.
No, not every team could have gotten Peralta. He’s a rental, which means only if you can afford a $150m-ish extension offer (probably more) to him would you offer what the Mets did in terms of prospects. What the, I dunno, Padres or Guardians could have offered would have been nothing in comparison.
You trade for a rental if you think he will get you over the hump in the coming season. Has nothing to do with extending him.
Are we sure it’s Freddy Peralta maybe it was actually Sammy Peralta. lol
I guess we don’t have to over spend on Valdez now, I would still sign Chris Bassitt ? He shouldn’t cost too much.
Peralta, McLean, Manaea, Bassitt and Holmes, trade Senga and send Tong and Scott to AAA until we need them
if you combine the second half of 2024, and the first half of 2025, Peterson was a cy young caliber pitcher. He has that knee problem or whatever but when hes on, he was the mets ace.
They shouldn’t be trading anyone with the WBC this year. It has a habit of screwing up rotations….
A little surprised they gave up Jett. Bichette only guaranteed to be here 1 year.
Mets figure to make an effort to extend Peralta.
Also surplus of SPers now means another deal may be in the works.
Bichette has nothing to do with Jett. Semien, yes.
more Bichette and the offense he’ll produce. If he leaves after 1 szn, the Mets may regret giving up Jett.
Jett was overhyped trade bait.
Hm, don’t think so.
Anyone who says “Jett is overhyped” or “a utility man” needs to go watch some tape. The kid is the real deal. He’s not Clint Frazier.
so then why is he 5′ 7″
Genetics. Lol
#3 & #5 guys in the farm system for a one year rental and a lottery ticket. This could look bad in a year’s time.
Only time will tell, I suppose.
lmao, there’s about five people from the previous Mets thread today I need to apologize to. I didn’t think the Mets would pull the trigger and make a deal for an ace. @Sazilla, among others, I apologize! You were right, haha.
Sucks to lose Jett and Sproat, but that’s a fair price from the Mets perspective, especially if they can re-sign/extend Peralta.
Told ya! Good luck, now y’all are ready to fight! It’s a great deal too especially with Myers in there.
Good luck to you as well (Yankees?). See you in the Subway Series II next October!
Correct. At the time the Mets gave up Rosario and Gimenez for a year of Lindor, both of those guys looked like budding stars, but the Mets supermaxed Lindor, Gimenez turned into a solid but not elite player and Rosario has become a bench journeyman.
Nearly 30 year old pitcher coming off a career year where his ERA was nearly a full point lower than his FIP, man they are desperate
bkluger:
Sounds like you’re trying to create a narrative to make your point rather than looking at reality. The guys been a very solid pitcher throughout his career. The Mets gave up very good but not great prospects to get him. Sounds like a good deal to me.
He is a mid rotation starter on a good team, not an ace. It’s called having standards. It’s not 2005 anymore, a mid 3 ERA is solid not ace level
bkluger:
Give me an objective list of how many pitchers are better than him. I’ll be waiting. Your posts come off like sour grapes. Nothing more.
And if his ERA this year is around his FIP from last year he’ll still be having a good season.
He is a 3.60ish ERA pitcher, that is a solid #3 on a good team, but it’s no where NEAR Ace level, it’s not 2005 anymore. Still the 3rd best rotation in their own division.
bkluger:
Imagine your statistical understanding when the only thing you cite is ERA. You know there’s other variables that can impact that. There is other advanced statistics that disproved what you’re saying.
Ok Mets fans, what are we getting in Williams and Sproat? Williams listed at 5’7, a buck 75. Sproat have a chance to make the opening day roster or a year out? Hate to see Freddy go but glad it happened now and not into Feb so both sides can focus on ST in a few short weeks
Jett ain’t even that big. He’s the shortest and lightest player ever drafted in a first round. But swings out of his shoes and has some pop, Altuve style. Excellent plate discipline. Plays everywhere up the middle. Decent not great defender. Runs like a … umm … Jet.
Sproat has some solid potential. Probably mid-rotation, very close to MLB ready, has a TOR mindset (sometimes wears his emotions on his sleeve, annoyed with himself when he makes mistakes; nothing negative, just very competitive).
I think you’ll really like Jett. Has positional versatility (up the middle; CF/2B/SS) and is a gamer. Solid overall hitter, good speed, surprising power from a smaller player. He should be ready in 2026.
That’s an accurate assessment of the two
I think both teams did well here
Sproat is likely a 3-4 type pitcher and Jett should be a solid everyday player
@rct
There’s that code word “gamer.” You going to add “gritty” and “high baseball IQ” too? Brewers love those type of guys. Which is why they’ve never WON a WS and have only made ONE appearance in over 50 years! Typical Brewer trade and that’s not a compliment!
@SharksFan: It just means he’s competitive. No need to soil your diapers over it.
Jett Williams has been our top position prospect that last few years. And our top overall prospect last year (before McLean busted out). Top prospect in a very good farm system. We have been waiting for his debut this year. You definitely got a baseball player! reminds me like a Dustin Pedoria type. He is small but he can play. Loves the game. Great hitter, fielder, very athletic, can steal bases. Is a 2nd baseman but his Athleticism can also play CF. He’s top 50 prospect I think as high as the 20s overall.
Sproat was our best pitching prospect until McLean just tore it up last year. He’s only behind him (Tong also very good). I think he can be a type 2 or 3 starter in the future. Again top 100 player. You did well for the future on this trade. I hate to give them up but you have to in order to get a pitcher like Peralta. But future is bright for them, I would be excited if I was a Brewers fan.
Dansham125
I think that’s how they were viewed in mid-late 2024 but not today.
Jett was top 20 but has fallen to 70s-80s. He’s no longer projected to be an everyday MLB starter at shortstop.
Benge is now top 20 or so, Ewing is also right around where Jett is in rankings but younger and somehow faster.
Sproat was most recently projected to be a 4th starter but in 2025 was limited by his inconsistent arm angles and spin rates. He’s also possibly having an issue with stamina as his inconsistencies get worse as he gets deeper into games.
brewcrewfan82:
I’d say Sproat has potential to be a very solid number three starting pitcher. He was a really good prospect, but then struggled in the minor leagues, but then started pitching better and pitched decently for the Mets so that raised his standing. I would definitely think he can compete to be on the opening day roster. Williams is the better prospect of the two. Smallish guy, but looks like a real spark plug type player who can play different positions. Probably a second baseman, but maybe a centerfielder. Very good on base skills. Probably will be a very pesky player. I don’t know if he’ll be ready by opening day but definitely should be ready this season. And sooner than later.
Williams is over-hyped, We have way better hitting prospects that would have taken over Williams this year anyway. Williams looked decent at aaa but nothing special. You never know though, but with his height I wasn’t expecting much. Sproat though was already a favorite to watch. Just like the guy and he looks like he’ll figure it out, maybe with the right attitude he can become a top dog, although he’ll probably suffer playing in a smaller market.
No. He isn’t. He’s a heck of a little prospect who will be a solid regular.
It’s done, but I hate losing quality for a rental as good as Peralta can be.
Stearns does what new GMs do…off go previous GMs draft picks.
“No. He isn’t. He’s a heck of a little prospect who will be a solid regular”
At what position? He’s likely to be a utility player.
Second base. He will be better than a utility infielder. Has anyone actually seen him play? He is a little spark-plug
Yeah I’ve seen him play and I’ve kept up with his stats and scouting reports.
Jett is not pushing out Turang, who just had a 5.6 WAR season and is top 5 player across all of baseball at 2nd base.
Specifically the Brewers…gotcha. That is a good question for them. They might flip him for something else, who knows.
Yeah I was wrong anyway, they could totally slide Turang over and put Jett at 2b
When this was a banner year for FA starting pitching, dealing very strong prospects for a single year of a #2 SP coming off a career year after a string of 113 ERA+ numbers, is an absurd approach to team building when your payroll is rising towards $400 million.
Where it gets interesting for me is to keep an eye on these prospects they traded to the White Sox and the Brewers to see if the Mets truly are the new Yankees in that they swindle teams with prospects that never pan out. People will naturally mention king in the Soto trade, but there is a graveyard of Yankee prospects that never pan out, including. Montero,Ruthoford,,Florial and many, many more. I won’t even mention because you’ve never heard of them despite being labeled “can’t miss”
dude what, Acuna? He’s barely a prospect at this point.
Mets are cooking! Mets Soup.
Metting in Cohen Ca$h!
Mets will Met in ’26!
Return for Milwaukee seems light to me. Hope I’m wrong.
Its Stearns old team they are doing him favors for some reason.
Meh. Another weak return for the Brewers ace pitchers. Imagine how good they’d be if they got more back from them??
Both guys look too early to tell. Sure they are prospects but nothing really stands out. And a 5’7 175 lb outfielder? Pass.
He’s a rental.
Yeah but he’s cheap and they also get another back end starter.
Jett plays 2B and SS as well and has pretty good power. Don’t let his size fool you.
Not in Milwaukee he’s not, at least not this year. And CF fuhgettaboutit.
I don’t understand the hype with Williams either. If I was Milwaukee I would have preferred Clifford, Reimer, Ewing…etc. Sproat is a solid return though I have a feeling he will be a solid pitcher, at least in New York, idk about Milwaukee.
“And a 5’7 175 lb outfielder? Pass.”
Sal Frelick is 5’8 180lbs and an outfielder. Oh, ya and already a Gold Glove RF, who should have been one in 2025 also.
If Williams is as described, he sounds like a copy of Frelick. And as a Brewer fan, I’ll take it.
@ohmy
Yeah, as long as he looks just like Frelick. Who’s overrated defensively!
“Overrrated”….ah, sure. Gold Glove and actual fielding on video say otherwise.
There’s a difference between “Capitalism” and Vulture Capitalism!
Doesn’t get a good jump on the ball and sometimes takes a bad route which he occasionally makes up for with his speed to recover. Plus he’s one of Murphy’s guys. Perkins is a much better OF and hasn’t been allowed the same opportunities as Frelick & Mitchell! The reason why has nothing to do with talent. Perkins rarely gets an actual fair opportunity in MKE. other than once or twice a week or in case of injury.
Chourio, Perkins & Frelick should be and are the best Brewers OF.
You haven’t watched the Brewers have you? Perkins has been their starting CF for most of the past two years.
GREAT defensively. HORRENDOUS offensively. Already have a non-hitting SS, they can’t have two automatic outs every game which they have over the past 2 years with Perkins in the lineup.
Frelick is GREAT defensively AND very, very good offensively.
@ohmy
I’ve obviously watched the Brewers more than you have. Perkins was injured for most of ’25. Perkins has only played 175 games (started 143, less than 1/2) over the past two years. Not “their starting CF for most of the past two years”!! Started 104 times in ’24 while Mitchell was injured. (Again!) Perkins is usually Murphy’s 2nd or 3rd choice in CF. “Horrendous offensively” ?? Better than Ortiz & Mitchell in ’25. Which isn’t saying much, but still better than two guys who are GIVEN starting spots the past two springs based on what?
Given the opportunity, I believe his offense would improve if he was the regular mostly everyday CF instead of Mitchell, Chourio or Frelick. Plus he’s a switch hitter (stronger from the right side). He’s not been given the same opportunities as Mitchell or Frelick. Why has Mitchell been given every opportunity annually to be the everyday CF??!!
Finally, Perkins is much better defensively than Frelick period!
The Mets roster is entirely new. I think this pushes them into division contention now. Phillies still have a better rotation and bullpen, but I don’t think the Mets are done. Mets lineup is better than the Phils IMO.
I don’t think the Phils rotation is better. It’s older and creakier, but the Mets one is rock solid too. MacLean is a stud.
Look at what that rotation did last year. Nola rebounded towards the end of last year too. Losing Ranger hurts, but I think you’re seriously discrediting one of the best rotations in baseball last year.
Don’t leave out the Braves and maybe even the Marlins. Going to be a tough division. Good luck.
I agree, especially about the Braves and their rotation.
I’d like to see their guys healthy. I’m not sure that lineup can ever replicate what they did a couple years ago though
Congrats Mets for getting a top caliber pitcher for their rotation. I am happy to see other teams make moves that are beneficial.
How do Mets fans feel about all of the moves?
I wanted Sproat to stay, I would have preferred Murakami at first. We could have signed Bichette to play second, where he can actually play. No need to trade Nimmo either. Robert could have replaced Taylor. Overall the end product is solid but none of the guys I like are here anymore. Now I have to watch rangers/white sox/brewers games.
Love the bo signing, love getting peralta, although it was a good return for the brewers, and the robert for acuna move I’m fine with as an upside play. My guess is Robert continues to struggle but the potential is there and really acuna was totally expendable
Hate seeing sproat and jett go, but getting an ace making nothing. Good trade for both teams, I think.
Getting Myers to be included in this trade is a nice move by Stearns though
Williams doesn’t seem like he has a lot of pop in his bat and that he strikes out too much. Not trying to be a troll, but what’s the upside? Is this just a case of a prospect being overhyped because he plays for a big market team? I mean, for example, the Reds have Duno and he should be getting a lot of hype but he really doesn’t.
As a met fan idk what the hype with him is. I guess speed and defense? lol
He’s got some good hitting tools. Patient (which is why he K’s a fair bit, but also walks a lot). Teeny tiny guy, smallest to ever be a first round pick, and he swings HARD, so not an easy dude to pitch to. He can run but is sort of a meh fielder.
Seamaholic: I’m a teeny tiny guy, I guess, but I manage to get by somehow! Having a big strong dog helps.
Good luck in New York, Freddy, I’m really going to miss you being on the Brewers. We’ll always be cheering for you in Milwaukee. Hope to see you pitch when the Mets come to town in August.
Wait I mean July.
The Mets are ruining baseball !
They’re not ruining baseball so much as setting things up for the next edition of LOLmets.
Mets have great SP now.
The Brewers will pair 5-foot-7 Jett Williams with 5-7 Caleb Durbin, and eat your lunch.
Don’t forget 5-foot-8 Sal Frelick
They’re not playing basketball. It’s the Brewers so they’ll both be successful major leaguers. Milwaukee has the magic touch.
@Joe it all
“magic touch”??? Where are the championships? Let alone a WS appearance that wasn’t 40 plus years ago??!!
I’m not a Brewers fan so I’m not being a Homer. I’m a miserable Reds fan who sees the Brewers every year make chicken salad out of chicken shat. They know how to win baseball games. They obviously haven’t won a World Series and haven’t been there since 1982 but they still get more out of less than any other team.
Glad he’s no longer in NL Central.
Peralta good not great. I guess didn’t get try for Skubal. I’m glad he’s not a Yankee.
Skubal is going to cost way more in salary and in prospects. No way anybody trades for him, even your Yawnkeyz and the super evil Dodgers won’t do it. Just wait til he’s a free agent and pay him then.
Remember the old sign-and-trade? Pretty sure the Tigers saw how foolish the Angels looked letting Ohtani walk for nothing and will not let that happen to them.
Pretty inexpensive for a #1 even if only for 1 season.
Steve cracked open his piggy bank this past week
Solid trade for both sides if it remains 2 for 2. Hopefully Mets will extend Peralta now. Williams became expendable with both the trade for Seiman and the rise of Ewing. Sproat is going to be a good player (hopefully the least of the 3). Mets keep the second tier of pitching prospects intact also. There are some solid pitchers a little over a year away. Would rather had Megill as second pitcher but oh well.
Ewing has no place to play either.
Ewing can replace Robert’s in 27 or 28. Benge will be long term answer for LF.
Brewers kinda got fleeced. Sproat I think is going to be real solid but Williams is going to fall off. They should have tried to get Ewing or Reimer if they wanted a bat, those are the real hitting prospects.
Really? It seems that someone could have offered more than this?
Maybe I’m just not as high on the two guys going back to Milwaukee as much as the Brewers apparently are.
Peralta is a rental and both the guys going to MIL are top 100 guys.
I understand that they are both top 100 guys, but to paraphrase a certain bearded old Jedi “these aren’t the prospects you’re looking for”.
Just my opinion, and I could be wrong, but I just don’t think either is going to be what the Brewers hope they will become.
AND I expected someone to offer better.
Ok. Now the Mets look a little scary … nice big b*** move here. Definitely gave up a lot. Honestly, I don’t see why they stop. They should go get FV … spend the money and be the dodgers of the east, cept we’ll still get to make fun of you when you collapse for no apparently reason
I don’t know the prospects returning to the Brewers, but I would take this trade as a gut punch to the Brewers fans. Why should they care about attending or caring about the Brewers with these sort of actions.
lol. Wut.
“These sort of actions” make a competitive low-budget team sustainable…..
Funny how this Milwaukee Brewer “common practice” for the past several years typically involves “athletic” (yes, that’s code) looking players shipped out of town and the “gritty, gamer, pesky” guys coming in look like the manager(s)!
Finally a decent arm for new York
Mets are my NL team. Jays are my AL team. My front offices have been busy!
and that’s all you can ask… keep
trying to make your team better and see what happens
Big day for NYM. Have to give to get and MIL got some real potential good ones in this deal. But Peralta type was Mets key missing piece and it’s now been filled. Myers is solid and it’s great to see Stearns looking his best (unlike last trade deadline unfortunately)
Let’s just cut to the chase. Instead of FA, let’s just allow the big market teams to draft any player they want from the small market teams every year to fill their rosters. Kinda like they do for new franchises, except big market teams will tell the other franchises who they can’t protect.
Anybody else miss the competitiveness of MLB?
I miss the off-seasons when fans of more than four or five teams have something to talk and dream about.
I was joining the conversation to say pretty much the same thing: this must be a fun offseason for the fans of about 4 or 5 teams.
I guess the brewers didn’t have a say in this trade? Clearly they like what they’re getting back and are good at retooling
Look out Phillies, the Mets are coming for you!
Wow, that’s a fair trade, even for only one year of Peralta. Sproat and Williams are still only prospects with good potential. For the unhappy Met fans, think of Kelenic and how that trade was panned. I hope and think that Jett will do better, but you don’t know that yet.
It was reported that Peralta was willing to listen to an extension, and Cohen has got the $$ to make that happen. I don’t know Meyers, but based on the previous comments the opinions seem to be favorable.
And for all the Sterns haters and unhappy Yankee fans out there, he seems to have had a pretty good off season, and he’s obviously not done yet.
LGM!
Would make more sense to not trade for Freddy and then offer him whatever he wants next offseason by your logic
PLEASE someone take the coke off of Cohens desk
Reasonable. It feels like a slight overpay by the NYMs, but their rotation badly needed a #1. Neither Sproat not Jett are sure things, but fairly promising.
I thought Sproat would be a given in a trade for Peralta. Jett made me wince, but not a deal breaker. I like Myers potential too.
Hmm…..so is this the big thing we Mess fans were supposed to be so happy about after losing the most durable productive Met in the past (#)20 years, having the hardest working and most determined Met from the least populated state who grew up playing in the biggest city and was beloved by staff and fans, and the guy who I ALWAYS SAY LOUDLY SO OTHERS CAN HEAR ME AT THE GAMES WHO’S THE METS CLOSEST THING TO DEREK JETER’S BASEBALL INTELLIGENCE OUT ON THE FIELD PLAYING DEFENSE because he’s always been in the right place and always backing up when he’s supposed to??? Seriously not kidding about that and usually when I say that he makes a play to back me up in the stands!
Because so far all I get out of this offseason is a sore throat and carpal tunnel!!
BOOOOOOOOO STEARNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Mets…err Mess…is NOT the Brewers! Wasn’t that obvious with those other former-Brewers player experiments?
I’m starting to wonder if Stearns is really for real or if he just fell into something with the Brewers. I heard Stearns used to actually be a Mets fan!?!? Right??!!!? So how the _____ did all this happen? I want an explanation. If both Stearns and Uncle Steve are truly Mets fans, they’d think the same as I do from the years and years of history repeating itself.
“Wants to build a dynasty” Yeah DUDE EVERYBODY WANTS THAT!! But you are failing miserably!!!!!
Proven Mets producers need to remain on the team. It’s not easy to play for the Mets. They let PETE leave us!! PETE was supposed to be OUR AARON JUDGE putting up lifetime Mets home run records, getting his number retired, and being the most productive, positive, and wanna-win Met of ALL TIME!! PETE always wanted to play for the Mets forever, so whaaa happened? He’s a first baseman. When he’s 40 years old he’ll still be able to mash 25-30 HR and drive in at least 95 RBI because of how durable he is. And he’s so positive!!! How do you let that go?
I thought that’s what we were supposed to be getting with Uncle Steve! You’re a Mets fan, DUDE! Whaaa? Why? What is going on? Even if you get Skubal whoopee. Do something useful and trade Lindor.
@disappointmets
You have to stop the Q-tip when there’s resistance!
Legit lunatics here
As a Phillies fan I say with all due respect you know nothing about MLB.
Your not the guy who forgot to zip his fly. You’re the guy who forgot to pull up his pants. Theres nothing to say to you.
I’m a Mets fan. I was very upset to see Pete walk. I still don’t understand the logic of not paying him, and then signing Bichette.
However…..
It’s part of the game. Grab some kleenex, pull up the big boy pants and support the franchise through good and bad decisions.
Judging from the reactions here, both fanbases think they got fleeced.
So, it must be a fair deal.
Here comes another chance for the Mets to underachieve…..
So much for the Mets being a trade partner for Skubal. Sproat and Williams would certainly been part of a deal with the Tigers.
The Mets will just make a big push to sign Skuba next year. Peralta makes 1/4 of what Skubal will make this year and would have still likely cost more in terms of a trade package
Jett gonna be a superstar? You think he’s gonna be the next Pedroia/Altuve? lmfao
I think he’s the next Zobrist.
Buddy, Zobrist was 6’3″
How did we get less than what we got for Corbin and on top of that had to throw in a pitcher on top of that
Well first, Corbin Burnes was even better than Freddy and was also a Cy Young winner. And second, it seems Joey Ortiz and DL Hall then could be comparable in value to Jett Williams and Brandon Sproat now. I’d hardly say the Brewers got less than they did in the Burnes trade.
Freddy also had over a 3.50 era over the prior 3 seasons. Peralta is fantastic, and he had a career year. But he’s not Corbin Burnes
Also had a better final year than Corbin makes half of what Corbin did got a draft pick in the burnes trade too. And on top of that didn’t have to give up a guy with five years who can easily bounce back in myers
Brewers got screwed!!! Why??? Nothing for Peralta. This makes no sense.
Jett Williams is going to have a very nice career.
Great trade for the Cubs
The brewers did well. Jett Williams and Brandon sproat can both be starters on winning brewers teams for years to come. Mets gave up more than they would like and now they must sign Peralta and not lose him to free agency otherwise it’s a huge loss. Jett Williams and sproat are Maor league ready talents. Steve cohen is not giving up to the Dodgers yet.
I agree with everything you said. The Brewers definitely won that trade (on the surface). I think the Mets will regret trading Jett.
Eh, unless the Mets offer some crazy contract (Which now that I think about it is not out of the realm of possibility) my guess is Peralta’s agents are telling him to wait to sign after Skubal. At that point he’s everyone’s plan B and the market price will be set.
Doesn’t mean he won’t be a Met beyond 2026. But I wouldn’t bet on that resolution for another year.
You are forgetting about the Tobias Meyers part of the deal. 5 years of team control remaining for him.
“Jett Williams and sproat are Maor league ready talents”
That’s objectively a misrepresentation. At best Jett is a utility player and sproat is a swing man but both are 100% unproven.
It is not a misrepresentation at all. Both were set to join the Mets this year. So, apparently, that qualifies as “Major League ready talents.”
I took your statement to mean that they were MLB starter quality talent, so I apologize.
If you meant that they were capable of playing MLB baseball, regardless of quality, then yeah they’re both Major League ready talents but so is Michael Toglia
Great trade for the Mets as long as Jett doesn’t turn into the next PCA they gave away for a rental.
Jett will be the next pca but it’s the price you pay to win now
I will say, its good to see the mets making moves (though my orioles grabbed Alonso). Its a gamble for sure, but adding Bichette and Peralta among others is pretty solid. Always love to see teams go for it.
So frustrating….
The rich continue to get richer!
Watch out Dodgers, Mets are coming! Dodgers make a move, Mets are like, “Hold my beer……”
The best part about this is, that a trade between the Mets and Brewers has so many comments about the Dodgers. Living rent free in so many heads! Dodgers need to find a way to charge rent on y’all. Just think of how many more F.A.s they could sign. Need to run this by the front office.
🤔🤣😆😂
The Dodgers need to charge us rent because they need the money?
The Mets had an advantage in getting Peralta because of the David Stearns connections with Milwaukee.
The Mets and brewers matched perfectly
Yes, same goes for the Cardinals and Red Sox lining up for trades together.
Holy cow! Mister Met is dancing in the streets now! The awkward plan of adding a random smorgasbord of quality players is rapidly being realized as we steam forward toward Spring Training. When do pitchers and catchers report? Counting the minutes with baited breath!
Peralta is not 6’4
I know mlb lies about players size, like when they had CC Sabathia listed as 270 lbs..but How tall is Peralta?
He’s listed at 6’0
Mets look like the winners here (right now) especially if they extend Peralta which they obviously have the resources to do.
You can reframe that and say it makes them look like losers because they have the resources to sign Peralta next offseason without trading for him first. Exact same outcome, except one lets them keep Williams and Sproat.
Red Sox could have easily beat that return-smh
Jett stuck out 130 times in one season in the minors, thats alot. Why would Brew trade Peralta, arent they in the hunt?
Because they’re cheap and MLB sucks with its vast disparity.
“Williams is … on the shorter side at 5’7″ but has plus athleticism…”
He’s gonna fit in perfectly
Hands down, winner of this trade is the Cubs. Loser…has to be the Phillies.
Milwaukee was taking a step back anyway (and now it’s a huge step back…Miserableowski and Woodruff as aces…lol) and the Mets are gonna Met, but the staff just elevated.
Brewers were only taking a step back because 97 wins is a crazy high water mark. Are you seriously a Cubs fan and don’t think the Brewers will win 90ish games and be in the playoffs (sure, could be wild card)???
That is correct. No upgrades to offense and they lost their ace. I’m not a Brewers hater though. I admit I can’t stand Misiorowski, but that’s because a bit of hype put him in the All-Star game when more deserving players were passed over. They’ll do the best with what they have (i.e. well run organization), but the historically exceptional run that catapulted them to the top of MLB’s standings isn’t sustainable. Hence, they are going to take a step back.
11 players turned down the AS game before they picked Misiorowski, What did you expect him to do, say no? It’s not like the Brewers manager was picking him for the team.
Offseason is not over
Salty is a good look for a Cubs fan
haha. Good one. Burn on me. lol
Life of a brewers fan. Spend no money in offseason, Trade best players for prospects, win the division by 10 games, flame out in playoffs because short of impact hitters.
Technically they spent money to keep Woodruff on the team. You’re also forgetting what hole does Milwaukee need to fill?
They have no middle of the order bat, no Tor arms. Little depth.
Lucky to have two guys approach 150 innings
Have plenty of depth…an impact bat would be nice, sure.
Innings could be an issue, for sure. Freddy was reliable for 30 starts and 170 innings. Brewers need Priester to be that guy now. Woodruff probably isn’t taking the ball 30 times, and Miz isn’t either. I like Patrick, Gasser, and Henderson plenty, but the Crew really doesn’t have that established, steady guy who you can count on for 32 starts of 3.75 ERA ball. They might need to find a 2026 version of Quintana to bridge the innings gap.
Would virtually guarantee they sign a veteran, Quintana seems obvious, since they dealt 2 of their starting arms.
Are there any other front line pitchers available right now? The Dodgers still have their entire Minor Leagues intact and all of their prospects to trade from. Also have about 8 MLB ready arms in addition to the best starters in the league.
Congrats on Peralta.
lolMets still plays
Great move for Mets. Not sure what the Brewers are thinking. They gave up a clear # 1 or 2 starter and a solid bottom of the rotation arm, for a possible mid level starter and a lottery ticket player who hasn’t hit well in the minors.
Brewer fans will find out if a good return. They gained 12 years team control-6 options-a new high velocity pitcher to try improving with their pitching lab. Williams gives them an option to send Ortiz down if he continues being satisfied with below 600 OPS batting. I kinda think like Arcia back when, nobody can replace me attitude with my defense he settled in. Now there is one.
Fastball Freddy
Brewers will win this trade and win the central by 10 games
Want to bet on it??
Win the trade but wont win division by 10 if it all
Fast Freddy!!
Two top 100 players with at least six years of team control is a good get for someone the Brewers apparently wanted to trade. Desite what’s been said here, the Mets gave up a lot for a one year rental. Have to assume that as a matter of due diligence Stearns offered the same (or better?) package to Tigers for SKubal. Suggests that despite the pending arbitration, Skubal is staying in Detroit.
Stearns has now acquired for the Mets a meaningful portion of his Brewers’ pitching staff, If the Brewers aren’t in contention at the break, wouldn’t be a surprise to see Woodruff in Queens.
You are forgetting Tobias Meyers. That’s a significant part of the trade. 5 years of team control and essentially washes out the Sproat loss
I don’t think the Mets would of made a Sproat for Meyers deal straight up, the Brewers surely would have.
Mets should now sign Michael Conforto. A one year deal won’t cost much. Perhaps his career gets resurrected in a return to Queens and it could mollify the fans disappointed by the departures of Alonso, Nimmo and McNeil. It may not work out, but by the time it matters Benge will likely be ready, Benge should not be starting the season in the majors, however, he needs to establish some level of success at AAA.
He is destined for Japan.
MLB blows. In no sport, should a team in contention have to trade one of its best players because the organization can no longer afford him. The revenue and payroll disparity (not to mention, owners) are the biggest problems in the game. Not time of game.
Attendance, concessions & memorabilia should be for home team’s revenue.
But IMO they should put all the TV/Radio money in a pool and divide it equally. Nobody can compete with LA market for TV$. But you can’t televise a game without an MLB opponent. So, they should share equally in the TV revenue – IMO.
As it is, LA can double and triple everyone else’s payroll by TV money alone.
Great point. Never thought of this. Sounds too easy. But I agree. The entire mlb should benefit from having Ohtani in the sport.
@Gbfl23
Stop buying some of these MLB owners crying poverty.
Lets also not forget that MKE gave a 22M QO to an injured pitcher because he’s “one of Pat’s guys” and traded the better pitcher who’s only making 8M in ’26!
Oh I agree with you. Every owner can afford a $200M+ payroll
I never said it had to be a $200M payroll for any team. But, the Brewers (and more than likely many other teams) at many times over recent years could have spent another $15-25 million to fill a hole that might have put them over the top or at least a WS appearance. The issue is there’s a mindset problem within the MKE front office and management imho.
His all time position among Brewers starting pitchers is pretty startling from the outside but the team is rather young compared to teams like Giants and Yankees. Then they also have reputation for not hanging onto starters very long in the past couple decades so his standing all time on the team makes sense. Never thought he was more than a #4 starter when they still had Burnes on the staff. Now he is Met’s new #1.
Do the brewers not want to win the division?
I’m pretty sure they just had the best record in BB.
No kidding. Trade their best pitcher from last season, they could’ve ran it back this season. instead now your telling the fans I don’t think we want the division because we traded Peralta
Peralta is replaced by Woodruff who barely pitched last year and is another offseason since surgery.
NL east is wide open. I dont see anyone jumping out first half of the season…in fact Phillies and Mets will struggle in that time until the rotations shape out. Mets did themselves a big plus here and they will definitely be in the mix at the end. Braves finally rid themselves of Snitker in a nice way….and I could see that the change could improve the clubhouse attitude and perhaps put them in a position to challenge..heck, the Marlins could even hang in there and have some say…
It will be interesting for all, frustrating for some and maybe surprising for a couple going into September this year….
Peralta will pitch great for the Mets.
I’m just glad he went to a team the Dodgers likely don’t have to worry about. Better on the Mets than the Brewers.
Never heard of Williams, but it sounds like he might be the second coming of Altuve if he continues to develop.
Williams has a .256 average in the minors. He’s no Altuve.
Peralta faltered last year in the playoffs..Just like his ex-teammate Williams did the prior year..we have enough of those types.
Williams FIP was 2.58 but ERA was over 4 because yankees defense is a joke
LoL.. So yankees defense caused Williams to give up bombs ?,too funny.
Uh, exactly.
Besides the obvious fact that bad defense extends innings…
FIP includes the 5 home runs he gave up in 62.0 innings
FIP = ERA when you remove BAD FIELDING and luck
2.68 FIP = good pitcher
2.68 FIP & 4.5 ERA = good pitcher on bad defensive team
Apparently the profit margin wasn’t big enough (despite the playoff home games) for Mark A. last season.
Off course, the MKE FO can blame it on being a “small market” and the failure of FanDuel network this season.
MKE= Top 10-15 annually in MLB home Attendance, cost for average fan to attend a game annually and also significant public tax dollars invested in stadium, etc. Yet, always in MLB lowest player payroll. ONE WS appearance in over 50+years and that was 44 years ago. But hey, what do I know? I’m just a former season ticket holder.
I’m pretty sure they just had the best record in BB.
Best record in MLB doesn’t matter if you don’t at minimum, make the WS. Plus no one remembers a few years later who had the “best record” if there’s NO ring or WS appearance.
To be honest many fans don’t remember the World Series winners either after a few years unless your team was involved or the series was a great one.
He has to pay his sand guy in Malibu somehow
Let’s remind the fang that a state senator got recalled because she voted for that government subsidy for the Brewers’ ballpark.
This is only worth it if they extend him
Its worth it if they win a WS. Its worth it if the team stays competitive and fans continue to buy tickets. Its worth it to keep fans “happy” to a degree and they buy merch. It’s worth the risk that most prosoects do not reach their ceilings.
Agree on the prospect comment but Williams could have gotten someone with more than one year of control. If the Mets pony up, that’s as good as team control as far as I’m concerned. And when you say “if the team stays competitive,” an extension would keep them competitive long term. Freddy is one of my favorite pitchers so if they extend him I will definitely be happier and buy more merch. Not saying I’m right or wrong, just my opinion as a fan. Going back to the prospect comment, I’m frustrated they didn’t trade some of their other infield prospects when they had some value.
Extending him unless it’s at a huge discount shouldn’t make you feel any better about losing Williams because if you are going to just throw money at Freddy then trading for him now just means you paid twice.
What if the Mets win the WS in 2026 but don’t extend Freddy?
Looking only at the BR pages for the prospects the Brewers got back, it appears that the Brewers got fleeced.
You got to love the Mets they don’t stop making moves.
Well…. I think the gap is closing between the Phillies and Mets after these latest moves.
Philly the gap was closed when DD said he was CONTENT.
A lot in prospect capital for the Mets to give up , but they really had to get a TOR starter.
BR is just stats.
Those prospects aren’t really that great. A 25-year-old pitcher and a short guy with modest power and a .256 minor league batting average?
There are 6 to 8 real teams and a bunch of minor league/Washington General warm body teams who exist solely to feed players to the 6 to 8 real teams and to fill out the schedule.
Pathetic excuse for a sports league.
A little surprised the Brewers didn’t get a little more in return.
He’s a rental
Bet he signs a multi year extension
Sure, but that doesn’t factor in the price you pay to trade for him
Could have done that next year for free and its not a guarantee.
Brewers essentially traded 1 year of the NL wins leader, a QO 1st round compensation pick and Tobias Myers who has had good success in the majors.
@Jackson By your logic wouldn’t it make more sense to not trade for him and then just offer him whatever he wants next offseason? Exact same outcome, except one lets them keep Williams and Sproat.
“NL wins leader” Oh my God, who the Hell cares!?
You got 2 top 100 prospects for a rental. What were you expecting to get?
So they got nothing for 4 years of Tobias Myers?
Is this the best the Brewers could do? You wonder what their other offers looked like.
WOW! Cohen has deep pockets! Should have spent the money on Framber and kept our controllable top prospects instead of trading for a guy that can walk after this season. Dumb move
I worry with Framber. He seems like the type of guy that will stop caring once he gets his pay day. Suarez would have been ideal
twilkerson:
They kept their better prospects in Benge and Tong. Valdez’s body type concerns me on a multi year deal. Entering age 32 season.
Not at this point. He would have cost draft picks for one. Secondly, Stearns wants short term deals to allow the kids to bubble up.
It is painful for me, but this actually was a decent baseball trade. I just abhor giving up top 10 prospects for a rental.
Bwa
What a get, and they could still probably get skubal
They do not have the capital to get Skubal!
It’s funny how many Yankee fans have to come here to vent their spleens. I didn’t think it was possible but they’ve become worse than Red Sox fans on the Yankees articles.
The BoSox have been doing their own wheeling and dealing this winter. Yankee fans will see any scores settled in the summer.
Does this help rotation? Yes.
Was this an expensive 1 year rental? Yes.
Does this move the overall needle?
No.
How do you figure that it doesn’t move the needle? I’m interested in your reasoning.
There’s not a team in baseball that wouldn’t be improved by having Freddy Peralta on the mound every fifth day. Why do people diss Peralta? He’s a damn good pitcher, consistently one of the best in the NL. He’s a great teammate, a winner who will give you 175 innings, 200 strikeouts and your team a very good chance to win the ballgame every time he starts. He absolutely moves the needle. He was the best pitcher on a team that won 97 games in 2025, the same team that is consistently in the playoffs. He was a big reason why.
Did I miss the Brewers deciding to start rebuilding or something? because they just handed the NL Central to the Cubs
Lol. Absurd take.
Brewers are conceding nothing. Play ball!
They most certainly do. McLean, baty, tong, benge.
And they included Myer’s?? Welcome to Second Place Brewers
Crazy that the Brewers still have the pitching to win
I’m a little surprised the Mets did this. The trade value is fine. I just would have assumed they would have gone harder after a FA (like Cease) who would only cost money rather than trade 2 solid prospects for one year of Peralta.
Unless they just view Peralta as being that much better than anyone else they could acquire.
For the price of Tucker, the Mets got Bichette and Robert. Not sure if that is a win unless Robert can stay healthy, but it fills two holes. With Peralta the Mets have addressed the last remaining hole in their roster and increased their O/U to 89.5 wins. Now I can scroll up and see all the whining by the trolls and Mets “fans” in the 550+ comments.
That’s all the Brewers were able to get for Freddy and Myers?!
Giants were interested in Peralta, Giants are a joke
pure poetry. but no.
another missed opportunity along with Gore for the Braves
Must be winter. Because the Brewers have their quota and seem to be getting whiter as usual every season. smh
Yankee George got banned twice from baseball. First for funneling funny money to Tricky Dick Nixon, then for hiring a private detective to dig up dirt on Dave Winfield.
And your hero Steve Cohen got nailed by the Securities & Exchange Commission for shady dealings.
“Winning Isn’t Everything, It’s The Only Thing” is for those who love to grease palms with baksheesh. Take that mindset with you to college football where it belongs.
BTW, the last Subway Series went through the floor outside NYC.
Can’t wait to see the Mets sweep up the dirt with the Braves this year
Jett Williams is a punk and a midget. The Brewers lost.
TIL Jett Williams is a manlet. Hopefully Mets didn’t give up the next Altuve, knock on a wooden garbage can.