11:33am: Hayes tweets that the two sides have had the deal in place since Thursday night, which is what prompted the flight to Boston.
11:23am: Sean McAdam of CSNNE.com reports (via Twitter) that Gonzalez has already taken his physical and his surgically repaired shoulder "should be fine." Some minor tests still need to be completed.
11:13am: MLB.com's Peter Gammons tweets that the player to be named later is not a "prime guy." The two teams determine who exactly it will be later.
10:52am: Morosi tweets that Gonzalez is seeking a Ryan Howard-like contract. Howard signed a five-year contract extension worth $125MM earlier this year.
10:13am: Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets that the Padres will also receive a player to be named, so it's a 4-for-1 swap. The 40-man roster freeze is in effect until next week's Rule 5 Draft, so it's possible the player is a minor leaguer not on the 40-man that's eligible for the Rule 5.
10:04am: Heyman tweets that there is still work to be done as far as a contract extension for Gonzalez, and that it could take a day or two. Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports confirms with a source that the trade is "not completely done." (Twitter link)
9:14am: Hayes tweets that the package includes Kelly, Rizzo, and Reymond Fuentes. ESPN Boston's Gordon Edes says (via Twitter) that Theo Epstein flew from San Diego to Boston with Gonzalez, and MLB.com's Corey Brock says that Jed Hoyer implored his scouts to scour the lower level of the minors in 2010 (Twitter link). The second and third player in the deal are key.
9:01am: SI.com's Jon Heyman tweets that negotiations about a contract extension will begin shortly, and that Kelly is in fact in the deal. WEEI.com's Alex Speier adds that multiple Red Sox prospects rumored to be in the deal have yet to hear anything from the team about a trade (Twitter link).
7:39am: Olney tweets that the Red Sox flew Gonzalez into Boston to help move the process along, and he is there now.
6:30am: Adrian Gonzalez is expected in Boston today for a physical, reports Nick Cafardo of the Globe. Gonzalez had shoulder surgery to clean up his right labrum in October and has a four or five month recovery timeline. Cafardo says talks have centered around Casey Kelly and Anthony Rizzo, and the deal "would likely involve three or four players from the Sox, including one who is major league-ready." ESPN's Buster Olney says that all players have been agreed to and the Red Sox are now trying to work out an extension with Gonzalez. MLB has approved a negotiating window.
SATURDAY, 12:01am: The Red Sox are very close to acquiring Adrian Gonzalez from the Padres, tweets Dan Hayes of the North County Times. Hayes says the trade would just involve Gonzalez and not Heath Bell, whose name has come up in other rumors. Hayes adds that the deal will only involve minor leaguers – not players such as Jacoby Ellsbury, Daniel Bard, or Jed Lowrie. Top Red Sox prospect Casey Kelly would definitely be involved.
FRIDAY, 4:46pm: The Red Sox and Padres are discussing a potential trade that would send Adrian Gonzalez to Boston, according to Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com. Red Sox GM Theo Epstein appears to be making "some headway" in tempting Padres GM Jed Hoyer with a package of top prospects, Edes reports.
The proposed deal would include minor league players only. Hoyer, new assistant Josh Byrnes and Padres exec Jason McLeod are all former Red Sox executives, so they know the team's system well. Other clubs also have strong interest in the first baseman.
The Padres must address multiple needs on a limited budget this offseason and trading Gonzalez and his $6.2MM salary would give the team some flexibility. However, few hitters have Gonzalez's power and they would create a hole by dealing their first baseman.
The Red Sox, who have long had interest in Gonzalez, could move Kevin Youkilis to third base to make room. A trade for Gonzalez would effectively end Adrian Beltre's tenure in Boston.
macphail better get jed on the phone!
Yep… to listen in on a 3-way to learn how a real team does business.
Yep. Train a GM at the assistant level, have him go to another team, then deal with him. Hoyer was Epstein’s boy, and evidently still is.
LOL @ the O’s fan
Great…here we go again. Let’s see if something actually happens this time…
Oh it will. The Padres will get way more in a trade now as opposed to the trade deadline when the Sox could (I’m a die hard Sox fan so I don’t hope by any means that it would happen) fall out of it and then wouldn’t even attempt a trade, and this way they get something (more) rather than draft picks when he ultimately signs a FA deal with Boston.
arrogance AND cockiness… wow
Didn’t seem that arrogant to me. Cocky yes, but he brings up some good points. Boston has been courting Adrian for a long time. I think it’s finally on the verge of getting done.
arrogance AND cockiness… wow
Oh it will. The Padres will get way more in a trade now as opposed to the trade deadline when the Sox could (I’m a die hard Sox fan so I don’t hope by any means that it would happen) fall out of it and then wouldn’t even attempt a trade, and this way they get something (more) rather than draft picks when he ultimately signs a FA deal with Boston.
This better be for real!!!
Great idea, get him out of the NL West.
Absolutely.
get him out of the NL
Out of the NL period one less power bat to deal with. I wonder how may more HR’s he hits at fenway?
Oh, Lordy, he could hit 40-45 IF healthy.
Get it done Theo!!!
Sounds good to me! Oh man, it is nice to see Boston finally getting involved in more serious rumors than “going to talk with” news. 🙂
Keep in mind though, this deal would not only cross Beltre off of the list, but it would involve a possible A-Gon extension, which I think would be awesome…Maybe like a 7 year 170MM deal starting after next season…
I’m sure that is a stipulation in the whole ordeal. The Padres would position to (the fans) that he would at least be taken care of and that a deal was done with whole-hearted good intentions.
I’m sure that would make padres fans feel oh so much better, he’s their whole team, the entire city absolutely loves him.
They should be prepared for that though. He’s had one foot out the door for a couple years now. Padres were never going to be able re-sign him.
Without a doubt, but the fans don’t come to the ballpark as it is, I cant imagine how sparse it will be when he gets traded. Who else do they have to watch, Latos once every five games?
Yeah this is true although there will be some fans in the stands when my Giants come to town 9 times out of the year. It’s been a sad last few weeks for Padres fans. Losing Miggy to the Giants and now Agone is gone! LMAO!!!
Yeah this is true although there will be some fans in the stands when my Giants come to town 9 times out of the year. It’s been a sad last few weeks for Padres fans. Losing Miggy to the Giants and now Agone is gone! LMAO!!!
I’m sure that is a stipulation in the whole ordeal. The Padres would position to (the fans) that he would at least be taken care of and that a deal was done with whole-hearted good intentions.
Keep in mind though, this deal would not only cross Beltre off of the list, but it would involve a possible A-Gon extension, which I think would be awesome…Maybe like a 7 year 170MM deal starting after next season…
Stratch that, I meant 7 year 160MM deal.
Yeah, but I think maybe more like 6 years, $140MM on the extension, plus a $5MM current year signing bonus, so its like a 7 year deal, but not quite. Give Jed basically anything and everything he wants out of the minors, except Iglesias. Raid us, 5 or 6 players is fine.
I kind of agree with the fact that Iglesias is untouchable.
Definitely. It’s been such a struggle finding a shortstop, that I don’t think Boston could stomach trading away another strong candidate for that role. His defensive skills are so amazing too….watching a video of him backflipping grounders to second base had me drooling.
Yeah, I would trade Lowrie though
Me too. Great guy, don’t think he has much of a future here. Not after 2011 at least. He deserves a starting role, and assuming Iglesias pans out, he won’t have much of one in Boston.
Though you can’t get something for nothing… I’d trade Iglesias if it netted me A-Gon for sure.
It would be expensive… but trading Ells in an A-Gon deal while making a move on werth or Crawford would be pretty nice.
I get the idea that the front office is growing tired of Ellsbury… they deny it, but where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
Iglesias/A-Gon straight up? Sure, because that’s insanely stupid for the Padres. But nearly any other offer, no. Besides, its not like the other prospects we’ve got are “nothing”. If the Padres INSISTED on Iglesias, the Red Sox would likely decrease the rest of their offer substantially, leading the Padres to realize that he won’t be part of any reasonable trade.
Of course I’ll say this, and tomorrow they’ll make the trade with Iglesias and Kelly and Ellsbury or something….oh well. 😛
Although I would love the Padres to get there hands on Iglesias, I can’t understand how prospects to a big market teams are untouchable. If Iglesias can’t figure it ot at the plate, he becomes another Jack Wilson or Adam Everett, and can you imagine giving up a shot at Gonzalez for those 2. Prospects are not guarantees and I wish people would start to realize it.
I agree in general, however I think Theo sees the revolving door at SS as his one big mark and this kid is already being billed as the SS of the future. After believing he had the SS of the future in Hanley (only to be traded away while he was on hiatus) I don’t think he lets the “new” shortstop of the future go. Just my thoughts though, and I may be proven wrong before too long.
Evereth Cabrera is a good example. He could develop into an outstanding defensive shortstop, already a pretty good one…. but offensively he has not put it together yet. I don’t see the Padres needing Iglesias unless they have given up on Cabrera or plan to make one of them a secondbaseman. If the Padres want Iglesias then I would think Iglesias/Kelly/Kalish get it done.
Everth is a terrible defensive SS.
agree completely.
If Agon is going to cost Iglesias + Lars or Rizzo + Reddick or Kalish + Kelly or Dobrount I would be absolutely positively fine with it.
The Sox are a large market team, they will have at least one first round pick this year, possibly 3 second rounders and possibly 3 sandwich picks depending on which of their remaining free agents sign so they can replentish the system.
Agon (and sign him to an extension) for Iglesias, Kelly, Kalish and Lars?? sign me up…
I could see Kelly, Rizzo,Dobrount,Kalish
They wont move anyone off the mLB roster for the deal but it could more likely be:
Kelly,Reddick,Kalish,Lowrie + someone else or low level prospects
While that might not be equivalent value for AGon,those could be some decent pieces with low cost and control for SD to plug in the line up over the next year or so.
Ells is not coming to San Diego. He is WAY too expensive, and we just traded for our CF for now and the future in Maybin. Also, Ells is so injury prone why would we want him?
Lowrie, Kelley, and one other top prospect, and maybe one more lower level gets it done. If we wait, the Sox will sign Beltre. I am sure Theo wants an answer before the meetings start.
Why do I have to keep doing this? Ellsbury has had exactly one injury (a freak accident with a 3B/wrecking crew) in his career and (believe it or not) was actually praised around here for his willingness to play hurt before the rib injury. Say what you want about Ells but the fact that he is now seen as injury prone completely baffles me, and it’s not just you I have seen this literally dozens of times in the last couple of days.
he’s just as injury prone as Pedroia…
One injury, one that happened to be lingering thruout the year.
I’d love to keep the guy personally b/c his value is going to be as low as ever due to lasy years ONE INJURY
It doesn’t matter. The Pads don’t want Ells. He’s arb eligible and will make $3MM+ this year, probably $5MM or so next. That’s too much payroll for them to carry.
Oh I know, I’ve been making the same argument on here. I think they would much prefer Kalish as he is cheaper and under control much longer. I just hate when people baselessly bash a player for something they can’t back up.
You’re he’s defiantly not injury prone, people just dont understand how tricky rib injuries are it’s certainly not ells fault he couldnt return and it’s a shame people were blaming him.
I disagree with you Anthony. I think the front office still has a lot of faith in Ellsbury as is shown by this trade. Even if they sign Crawford, Cameron may be better suited as a backup outfielder and it would give the Sox plenty of opportunity to rest JD Drew when needed and keep their outfielders fresh. Whats to be sick of? A guy who makes spectacular plays look easy in the outfield (though his overall defense leaves a bit to be desired)? Who can (and actually wants to) be the next guy to steal 100 bases in a season? Who is widely considered in the top 5 fastest in baseball? Who can also hit .300?
I hear you. Theo hates low OBP leadoff guys and the injury risk of all 3 Boston outfielders. But I think he (as I do) loves Ellsbury explosiveness and almost limitless potential if he can stay healthy. I can see him becoming a consistant 15 home run guy also at Fenway. His potential is like a tier under Ricky Henderson (but he could even hit for better average). I’d like to ride it out if the Sox can afford to and see how he develops.
good luck getting Crawford now. your boy Theo pissed off the Yankees when he tried to steal Mo from us. Yanks are in on Crawford now and it’s just about over for you guys. You’ll have to settle for Werth, who isn’t a bad player by any means – he’s just not Carl Crawford.
great! sign crawford and bench gardiner! now whos pissed?
great! sign crawford and bench gardiner! now whos pissed?
A chance to land one of the best 1B in baseball and you have an untouchable prospect…that’s funny.
For one season.
No, conditioned on the signing of an extension, with the standard 72 hour window.
Yeah, I would trade Lowrie though
Definitely. It’s been such a struggle finding a shortstop, that I don’t think Boston could stomach trading away another strong candidate for that role. His defensive skills are so amazing too….watching a video of him backflipping grounders to second base had me drooling.
He is definitely close to being untouchable. 80 defense at SS just doesn’t pop up everyday on the market.
Still has a ton of potential, and very young. My boy Adeiny I very similiar.
I kind of agree with the fact that Iglesias is untouchable.
Remind me. Who won the AL East last year?
I think it was the team Carl Crawford used to play for.
Uhm, I know you know the answer to that question, General, so that makes me ask, how is this germane to the discussion at hand? What’s the motivation?
I dont think Iglesias helps the Red Sox this year.
No, but there is one player I think we can’t give up here. You can have Lowrie, who is MLB ready, hit over .300, with some power, is cheap (5 year control) and can play short, 2nd or 3rd. Iglesias is the only guy you can’t have. Take your pick of all of our farm system. Kelly, Kalish, Lavarnway, Pimentel, Doubrount, Rizzo, Middlebrooks, Reddish, etc. Anything and everything but Iglesias. There is a deep wealth of strong prospects to be had.
The point is trading all your quality in your farmsystem is dangerous especially for a possible one year player. It doesn’t matter what size market. Tampa built from within then supplemented their club through acquisitions.
I’m a Braves fan. We are still recovering from the Tex trade. It sure would be nice to have Feliz closing and Andrus roaming short. Not to mention the possibility of having Salty at first.
Theo and AGon are discussing a long term deal…there is no way Theo is going to let bring him in only to risk losing him after 1 year.
rays won it by a game so proud of them
Yeah, but I think maybe more like 6 years, $140MM on the extension, plus a $5MM current year signing bonus, so its like a 7 year deal, but not quite. Give Jed basically anything and everything he wants out of the minors, except Iglesias. Raid us, 5 or 6 players is fine.
with all due respect my friend…let’s not get too ahead of ourselves
I just said it was a rumor…and it is a bit serious, because apparently there is an actual proposal now. And the last couple days all we’ve seen is “they’re talking to Crawford” or “meeting with Boras”, which is almost a non-rumor. I just mean the “fact” that Boston is making headway is pretty good news. We’ve heard A-Gon rumors for what seems like forever now, but Boston never seemed to get far.
Understood but how long have we been hearing about this? First it was the 2009 Trade deadline…didn’t happen, 2009-2010 offseason…didn’t happen, 2010 trade deadline…didn’t happen. All I’m saying is that this rumor has a history of not panning out. Like I said, no offense meant.
Yeah you’re right. So I’m filled with hope and anticipation right now, cause I really have no idea where it’ll go from here. But it does feel different, with a pretty positive sounding article here, as well as with so little left on A-Gons contract, there is even more incentive for San Diego to get this done. Still nothing for sure yet, at all. I just meant its much more exciting then hearing about Theo chitchatting with all his agent buddies. 🙂
another thing you should be optimistic about…Kevin Towers is not the Padres GM anymore. He’s off in Arizona asking for a whole farm system for Justin Upton. Theo is too smart to fall for Towers’ delusional thoughts.
To be entirely fair, I have been watching the two year long “A-Gon Watch” like a hawk and this is by far the furthest I have ever seen anything go. I won’t pretend I’m anything but skeptical as yet, but it’s been a lot of “The Padres might make Gonzalez available, the Sox might be interested” with nary of a hint of any legitimate negotiating going on.
Feels like the Jeter talks have been longer LOL
Understood but how long have we been hearing about this? First it was the 2009 Trade deadline…didn’t happen, 2009-2010 offseason…didn’t happen, 2010 trade deadline…didn’t happen. All I’m saying is that this rumor has a history of not panning out. Like I said, no offense meant.
The key thing here is that the Pads are finally coming to their senses. There would be no talent given if they don’t pass the 2011 discount along. Why trade for him with 4 or 5 talented pieces for half a season and no promise of an extension? No one’s going to do it. Hoyer has a few months window of opportunity, which closes after the start of the season. Now is the time, if the Pads want value, to make a trade happen.
with all due respect my friend…let’s not get too ahead of ourselves
More like the M’s better throw themselves back in this conversation.
More like the M’s better throw themselves back in this conversation.
That’s kind of what I have been thinking. The M’s were willing to deal Felix 2 seasons agoe in a 3-way if it meant them getting Gonzalez. What do you think they would be willing to deal now? Would Ackley be totally off limits?
Deal has to start with Casey Kelly, or Igelasis(sp?). Ellsbury would be great to get back as well. I think the Padres gotta pull the trigger this time.
I’ll do a deal with Kelly. I hope Boston can hold onto Iglesias, although you’re right he’ll be a great part of the trade for you guys. Kelly, Kalish, Pimentel, plus….oh I’m not thinking of any names right now. Is that a good start in your opinion?
Ellsbury would be a thrown in, with Kelly as the center piece IMO.
Minor leaguers only. NO JACOBY
you might be screwed on that one brah, losing Adrian Gonzalez would be a big hit to the padres, they’re gonna want a major-leaguer
Total speculation on my part but I wouldn’t be surprised if Hoyer would rather have a guy like Kalish anyway. He has more power potential, still has decent speed, and would be under control for a lot longer than Ellsbury. (though personally I would rather trade Ellsbury and keep Kalish)
I think Kalish is exactly the type of player the Padres would want. They can keep in the minors for another year or so and he has the potential to be better than any of their current outfieldes.
Why keep him in the minors? He was the Sox center fielder for much of the season.
The have a crowded outfield, so unless they plan to move a guy like Venable, they have no spot for him.
Go back and read the story again.
Kelly (P), Lowrie (SS – MLB ready .300+ hitter w/ some power + 5 years control), Rizzo (1B/Power), and Pimentel (P). What say you all?
Replace Rizzo with Doubront. The Padres do not need another AAA power hitting first baseman, they already have Matt Clark, whose numbers are as good as Rizzo’s. Replace Pimental with Iglasis. Replace Lowrie with Kalish. Throw in 2 more top lower level prospects to make it a 6 for 1.
Disagree, Lowrie isn’t part of the equation. He is a major league player they want prospects. With that said … Kelly, Rizzo, Kalish and Pimental. Sorry but Iglasis has to be off limits. I think the sucks learned their lesson with Hanley. And you can see how hard it is this off season to find dependable shortstops in BOTH leagues.-
Iggy isn’t close to hanly though.
thats really not a comparison. they are entirely different types of players. he is not the hitter that hanley is, especially power-wise. but hanley is not even in the discussion if you are talking about defensive shortstops, which iglesias is one of the best.
Lowrie has been that player for a while now i doubt his stock is as high as red sox fans think it is.
Minor leaguers only. NO JACOBY
Yeah Ellsbury wouldn’t be as good in petco with that big field, he’s not much of a fielder
Yeah, he’d just run down every ball and become the Padres best everyday player is all! I can understand why you wouldn’t want him!
Ellsbury would be a thrown in, with Kelly as the center piece IMO.
Iglesias better be involved. The Padres have no legitimate SS prospects.
Drew Cumberland is a solid prospect, though BA appears to think he’s headed towards 2B due to a lack of arm strength.
Yeah definitely a solid prospect, but everything I have read sees him as a future 2B not SS like you said. Another guy is Galvez in low A ball, but he’s unlikely to stick at SS as well.
Don’t forget Jedd Gyorko, who might very well be better than Kolbrin Vitek.
Yeah, at 3B most likely, maybe 2B, but definitely not SS.
Lets not give up on Cabrera just yet. He had a rough year, but with a little time in AAA and some luck with the hamstrings, I think he will be alright.
I agree with BA, If he can stay healthy, he could be a solid 2B.
Drew Cumberland is a solid prospect, though BA appears to think he’s headed towards 2B due to a lack of arm strength.
If the Padres get enough good prospects, it’s possible they could use 1 or more of them to trade for a SS prospect that they want.
Aside from Iglesias himself, neither do the Red Sox.
Agreed, although they could potentially slot Lowrie in at SS as Theo has said he would like to.
Cumberlands offensive numbers are way better then Igesias’s are.
At this point…
Kelly/Rizzo/Lowrie/Pimentel.
At this point…
Kelly/Rizzo/Lowrie/Pimentel.
I highly doubt they trade Iglesias. Lowrie will be in it most likely as the SS.
I’m okay with Lowrie too. One or the other better be involved if the deal gets done though.
I’m okay with Lowrie too. One or the other better be involved if the deal gets done though.
I highly doubt they trade Iglesias. Lowrie will be in it most likely as the SS.
As a Sox fan, I hope Iglesias is not included…we’re all hoping he’s the solution to our SS woes. You’re quite welcome to Ellsbury and Kelly ++ though.
As a Sox fan, I hope Iglesias is not included…we’re all hoping he’s the solution to our SS woes. You’re quite welcome to Ellsbury and Kelly ++ though.
No chance of Ellsbury. Pads won’t want him. He is Arb eligable and will cost to much
I’d say Ells, Rizzo, Kelly, and Reddick.
I’d say Ells, Rizzo, Kelly, and Reddick.
I doubt ellsbury is involved. The Padres are overloaded with outfielders and Ellsbury doesnt have a lot of team control left.
I say it will be Kelly, Rizzo, Kalish and Stolmy Pimentel.
Jed The ‘Jedi’ Hoyer do work!
here come all the crazy proposals again.
red sox get agon. padres get ellsbury, lester, kelly, iglesias, and fenway park.
I started giggling at Lester and flat out cracked up at Fenway Park
I started giggling at Lester and flat out cracked up at Fenway Park
….Okay that one was funny. 😀
….Okay that one was funny. 😀
And an option on the Tobin Bridge with a $500 buyout
I think we would have to trade Kalish for Ozzie Guillen, and then flip him to the Padres in the deal as well.
I think we would have to trade Kalish for Ozzie Guillen, and then flip him to the Padres in the deal as well.
Bravo.
Bravo.
WHAT!? No Buchholz!?
WHAT!? No Buchholz!?
Lester for the Padres 25 man roster more like it.
Im sure they would be more than happy to grant you that
Why would anyone want fenway park? Seems unlikely theres no way the Padres are dumb enough to take that big of a dumb off Bostons hands.
gonzalez for dice-k! it makes perfect sense!
NOT
The Redsox would have to include more prospects for Dice-K
Deja vu all over again!
Nava, Pimentel, Kalish, Ellsbury, Bucholz, Rizzo, Anderson, Lowrie, Bard, Bowden, Bowden, Bowden, and Kelly of course…All for A-Gon…
Seriously though…Kelly, Ellsbury, and Rizzo would make sense to me.
The proposed deal would include minor league players only. so ni elis
Which makes sense. Ells will be making more than that 5.5mil in a year or 2.
Which makes sense. Ells will be making more than that 5.5mil in a year or 2.
The proposed deal would include minor league players only. so ni elis
Weak more names please lmao.
Weak more names please lmao.
Although, apparently its only minor leaguers right now, and I thought Padres had that other first base prospect….or did he struggle in 2010?
I would hope that Ellsbury is not involved. Maybe its Kalish? Cause I’d figure the Padres are hoping to get at least one young outfielder out of it
They have no body in their system that I know of. Although Kyle Blanks is certain to move over for the future when Adrian moves on..
Yeah Kyle Blanks played 1B all through the minors, and apparently played it well. He was only in the OF for the Pads because of Adrian. He had a bad start to the season before requiring season ending tommy john surgery. He’s still pretty highly regarded though and I’m sure Hoyer’s hope is that he can have success as Adrian’s replacement.
After Blanks though the best 1B prospect the Padres have is probably Freiman who played low A ball last year.
Matt Clark in AA San Antonio is a prospect as well.
Matt Clark is replacement level at best. Don’t give up on Dykstra just yet.
You’re gonna tell me Clark is replacement level when Dykstra gets sat when he faces lefties and continues to post up below average numbers in a (lower level) hitters league? I’m running out of patience with Dykstra real quick…..
Clark may be more consistant, but Dykstra has the higher upside. Dykstra could be a complete bust or he could figure some things out and be on onbase and HR beast. Clark projects as a replacement level player, he has a solid shot at reaching the majors but is going to likely be a journeyman and a guy you stash at AAA incase your 1B gets injured. I cant see clark hitting better than .260/.300/.450 in the majors. At 1B this is easily replaced.
“.260/.300/.450”
I wish Dykstra could post those numbers in the Cal League.
Granted he did have a better year, but if he doesn’t put up better numbers in the Texas league, in a tougher hitter’s park and facing better pitching, then you’re looking at a guy who will hit the big leagues no sooner than 26. No exactly the production you’re looking for out of your first round pick.
Matt Clark in AA San Antonio is a prospect as well.
Don’t forget Dykstra, and Adam Dunn wanna be.
Yeah Kyle Blanks played 1B all through the minors, and apparently played it well. He was only in the OF for the Pads because of Adrian. He had a bad start to the season before requiring season ending tommy john surgery. He’s still pretty highly regarded though and I’m sure Hoyer’s hope is that he can have success as Adrian’s replacement.
After Blanks though the best 1B prospect the Padres have is probably Freiman who played low A ball last year.
Matt Clarks numbers are as good as Rizzo’s. We dont need Rizzo.
Rizzo is 3 years younger, higher ceiling.
Maybe Kelly/Rizzo/Iglesias/
Boy ill tell you something, the Red Sox probably wish that their 2010 draft class was eligible
Dontcha know it. They had a good year in that regard for sure.
This is going to sound crazy, but I think Ellsbury needs to be included.
I don’t know that San Diego would even be that huge fan of having him. He’s got a couple expensive arbitration years coming up, and with Boras as his agent they aren’t going to get a cheap extension out of him neither. Kalish may not have the sexy numbers or speed of Ellsbury yet, nor even the same potential maybe…but he’d be a much more affordable option. And including Ellsbury would make it tough for San Diego to also get Lowrie, who would be an affordable solution to their shortstop problem.
Well my deal still stands at
Kelly, Lowrie, Rizzo, and Pimentel
I am still a fan of waiting until he walks, unless the price is *Just* (choking) kelly and Ellsbury, as expensive as that is and THEN having to fork over 20M a year for 6-7 years. nobody else is going to be allowed to out bid Boston when he becomes a FA next year and Agone already knows it, so why give up so much now?? Iglesias? No way, kelly as a prospect is far enough and Lavarnway is going overboard along with kelly.
I’ll bet that’s very close, but with either Reddick or kalish added.
Throw in Kalish and you have a deal.
I don’t know if that’s doable on the Red Sox part.
Go get a third team involved then, do not think SD wants him. Cinn would be a good team to call.
My thoughts were that if they could trade scutaro,cameron or drew for a bag of balls they turn around and send that bag to SD.
This is going to sound crazy, but I think Ellsbury needs to be included.
I think the Padres would do Kelly and Iglesias for Gonzo. And really, if the Padres want a plyer from the 2010 draft class, can he not just be a PTBNL like Bonderman was when he was dealt from the A’s to the Tigers.
Has to he 6 months prior to the one year anniversary of the players signing.
I could see the Padres agreeing Kelly, Iglesias(assuming they think Iglesias is a significant upgrade to Cabrera), and Pimental or Vitek(PTBNL)
theres always PTBNL, but that would be way later and i dont even know if that follows mlb rules.
As a Padre fan, I hope that minor league outfielder is Reymond Fuentes. According to Baseball America, he is a similar player to Ellsbury, but is 4 or 5 years away from the bigs.
Cousin to Carlos Beltran too.
You nailed it Beersy. Its Fuentes. Good tools all around, but lacks even gap power. If the Pads coaching staff can open his stance a little and work on some of his swing dynamics, he could become a decent hitter, with gap power. I don’t think he’s 4 years away, but more probably 2 to 3 seasons away.
Although, apparently its only minor leaguers right now, and I thought Padres had that other first base prospect….or did he struggle in 2010?
I would hope that Ellsbury is not involved. Maybe its Kalish? Cause I’d figure the Padres are hoping to get at least one young outfielder out of it
God dangit, you beat me to it. I love how ridiculous the proposals got last time this subject was brought up.
God dangit, you beat me to it. I love how ridiculous the proposals got last time this subject was brought up.
I’m thinking Kelly, Iglesias, Rizzo and Reddick. Sounds like a lot, but Hoyer seems unwilling to trade A-Gon, so something has to budge. Lol
Substitute Iglesias out for just about any other two eligible Sox prospects (Noting Ranaudo is ineligible) and I’d probably make the deal. I am just unwilling to watch Iglesias go.
I’m thinking Kelly, Iglesias, Rizzo and Reddick. Sounds like a lot, but Hoyer seems unwilling to trade A-Gon, so something has to budge. Lol
Red Sox would be dumb to include Kelly for one year of A-Gon. I don’t think that’s going to happen.
Who says it’s only for 1 year of A-Gon? Who says Kelly amounts to anything anyways? All speculation.
If the Sox do all this work to trade for A-Gon than you can guarantee that they are breaking the bank to sign an extension. If they trade for him noway they let him walk at the end of the year via free agency. Don’t be surprised if they do trade for him that an extension is already in place.
Red Sox would be dumb to include Kelly for one year of A-Gon. I don’t think that’s going to happen.
I can’t see how Fuentes is not involved in this deal. He has crazy upside and the Sox will not include Iglesias in a deal unfortunately. The Padres need at least a top notch pitching and fielding prospect in this deal. I’m thinking Kelly, Britton or Pimental, Fuentes, and Gibson. Is that to much to ask?
As I’ve said before, prospects are not guaranteed to become stars or even Majoe Leaugers, so when a team like Boston who has the money to sign Gonzalez to an extension, has the chance to acquire him for nothing off of there ML rosyer they would be crazy not to.
I GUARANTEE you that Ellsbury is not even whispered in any of those trade talks. We HAVE plenty of OF’s, including a CF tath only makde 400 k. We need infield help BAD. Cabrera MIGHT be a servicable 2nd, but he is done as a SS.
Lowie, Kelly. Rizzo, and ?
Pimentel
hoyer has a list of prospects hes interested in but instead you want to offer up our starting center fielder? dude you should be a gm!
Actually, I should be a GM.
a true knowledgeable guy on all teams it seems lots of respect to you
Rizzo’s numbers are no better then the Padres Matt Clarks. Clark will start the year at AAA and will be MLB ready in 2012. Secondly, the Padres still have big Kyle Blanks who is also a first baseman by trade. Iglasis, Kalish, Kelly, Doubrant plus 2 lower level top prospects.
I feel the same way. I got confidence in Blanks and even if he doesn’t pan out, we still have Clark, Freiman, and possibly Cody Decker if he keeps hitting. No need for another first baseman. Kelly, Kalish, and Iglesias to start would be awesome.
If we did acquire Rizzo I think that means Hoyer isn’t done dealing. We could easily flip him or one of the aforementioned first base prospects in a package for a catcher or middle infielder prospect. Something tells me the Brew Crew might be interested since they are going to lose Prince. Lawrie perhaps?
You could be on to something…. even though I think Rizzo has more upside than clark, freiman and Decker. The Padres now have way too many 1b prospects that will be stuck between high a and aaa. A deal could happen. The big question is who is going to play 1B for the Padres this year with Blanks likely not returning until mid summer?
I feel the same way. I got confidence in Blanks and even if he doesn’t pan out, we still have Clark, Freiman, and possibly Cody Decker if he keeps hitting. No need for another first baseman. Kelly, Kalish, and Iglesias to start would be awesome.
If we did acquire Rizzo I think that means Hoyer isn’t done dealing. We could easily flip him or one of the aforementioned first base prospects in a package for a catcher or middle infielder prospect. Something tells me the Brew Crew might be interested since they are going to lose Prince. Lawrie perhaps?
Wow I’ve never heard of the Red Sox trying to trade for Adrian Gonzalez before have you guys. This is a complete shocker to me.
Why did this make MLBTR and not the Red Sox offering Mo the exact same contract as the Yankees and Mo staying put?
It did as an excerpt in the Mo post.
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it rings a bell…hmm but cant put a year on it…
it rings a bell…hmm but cant put a year on it…
The cubs should give the padres a ring.
I completely misinterpreted the end of this sentence, then looked at your username, and well, I won’t go any further.
ill give you that one that was good. But the Cubs are worring me bc there not doing nothing and we need a 1b man badly
cubs are not in it due to money…for the millionth time rickets said he is not going to allow hendry to be a big spender this off season
ill give you that one that was good. But the Cubs are worring me bc there not doing nothing and we need a 1b man badly
what kind of ring? maybe a diamond ring?
may have to be a big @$$ ring
may have to be a big @$$ ring
what kind of ring? maybe a diamond ring?
The Jays need to jump in on this. They need a first baseman and were rumored to be interested in A-Gon. If San Diego is only looking for minor leaguers then the Jays have a lot to offer. Apparently, the Padres are looking for pitching help and the Jays can offer Drabek, Stewart, or Deck. Common A.A, get it on this.
They can not offer Deck McGuire.
is that because he didnt pitch in the jays system after he was signed last year?
No, he has to stay with the team for a calendar year after he was signed
ahhhh i thought i knew it all, apparently not lol
thanks man
Haha its okay dude. Anytime
ahhhh i thought i knew it all, apparently not lol
thanks man
No, he has to stay with the team for a calendar year after he was signed
As a PTBNL they can. I think.
No they can not, not until February 16th
Agreed. I think either the Orioles or Jays could put packages together that would decimate Boston.
such as?
jays: drabek, arencibia, hechavarria?orioles: britton, tillman, avery?
as a jays fan, thats a huge package. thats probably what it would take to pry him out of san diego though. AZ was asking for 5 players for Upton and I think A-Gon is worth more because he has proved more.
not enough from baltimore and too much toronto IMO
I would gladly take that Jays package.
I think the Orioles can…Pie/Hoes/Britton.
Nowhere close to enough.
I think the Orioles can…Pie/Hoes/Britton.
neither can pay long term for the guy why trade the farm for a year of Agon especially if you got a division as tough boston is likely getting him long term
How the hell do you figure that? Do you work for either team?
Deck cant be traded…and as good as gonzalez is, he doesn’t push the jays over the edge.. Its just bad timing.. maybe in 2 years its a good deal.. for now just stockpile arms, draft well and develop…
AA wants to build a dynasty, not a team that loses in the ALDS and doesn’t make the playoffs the next year.
I figure that A-Gon is still young and can grow with the team. He isnt a player to put you over the top now but I still believe he is a valuable piece of the puzzle to build around.
I figure that A-Gon is still young and can grow with the team. He isnt a player to put you over the top now but I still believe he is a valuable piece of the puzzle to build around.
You can’t trade draft picks within a year of drafting them – just to elaborate on Span’s point there.
You can trade a 2010 draft choice as a PTBNL six months before the one-year anniversary of their signing a MLB contract. If the contract was signed on 6-15-10, the player could be traded 12-15-10.
A team receiving a PTBNL has six months to identify the player.
You can’t trade draft picks within a year of drafting them – just to elaborate on Span’s point there.
The Jays need to jump in on this. They need a first baseman and were rumored to be interested in A-Gon. If San Diego is only looking for minor leaguers then the Jays have a lot to offer. Apparently, the Padres are looking for pitching help and the Jays can offer Drabek, Stewart, or Deck. Common A.A, get it on this.
If it takes 3 minor league players to sign AGon then its a good deal for BoSox. I say this because they get a high draft pick (#23) for V-Mart + a supplemental pick and they will get two draft pics if Beltre signs else where. Not too shabby if you think this way.
If it takes 3 minor league players to sign AGon then its a good deal for BoSox. I say this because they get a high draft pick (#23) for V-Mart + a supplemental pick and they will get two draft pics if Beltre signs else where. Not too shabby if you think this way.
Question to Boston fans: Adrian and Youk or Youk and Beltre?
im not a red sox fan but if i was then id take a-gon and youk hands down. beltre still has to prove that he can play well when hes not in a contract year
The first one please!
Adrian and Youk. And that’s tough for me to say, as one of the biggest Beltre supporters out there. But its just a better setup, offensively, especially in Fenway. It would be nice to have Beltre’s defense, and being right-handed is useful in the AL East with monster lefties like Sabathia, Pettite, Matusz, Price, and those Blue Jays guys…But I think A-Gons overall production is more valuable than Beltre’s right-handedness. And since Youk is already preparing to play third base by working out only at that position over the offseason, I think he’ll at least be average. Knowing him, hopefully slightly above average even.
Adrian and Beltre 😛
Adrian and Beltre 😛
Adrian and Adrian?
Or just… AAADDDRRRRIIIIAANNN! (Someone here better have seen Rocky)
Yoo Adriaaan!
Or just… AAADDDRRRRIIIIAANNN! (Someone here better have seen Rocky)
Beltre costs money, Agon costs prospects and a not so cheap contract extension.
2010 Beltre: 7.1 WAR
2010 A-Gon: 5.3 WAR
Career high, Beltre: 10.1 WAR!
Career high, A-Gon: 6.5 WAR
Yeah, yeah, “Beltre only performs in a career year” and all that nonsense, but he doesn’t cost any top prospects and the last two seasons he’s been in a real offense (i.e. not the Mariners) he’s been a monster.
I think though, factoring in A-Gons hopeful big improvement from moving to a super hitter-friendly park, especially for pull lefties, like Fenway, would probably bump him right up into the 6.5-7.5 WAR range pretty easily.
“10.1 WAR”
Was that his last year with the Dodgers?
“10.1 WAR”
Was that his last year with the Dodgers?
There is the proof that WAR is not everything folks. The good ole eye test will tell you all you need to know. AGON>Beltre. Easily.
Beltre is a ridiculous defender at a more premium position, and on top of that has a history of putting up better offensive numbers than A-Gon (including last year). He also doesn’t cost any prospects. Sorry for being rational, go ahead and knock yourselves out with the A-Gon love-fest.
Beltre has had TWO monster years, BOTH in contract years. Nuff said. He will go back to his normal .240 BA next year. Everyone hits better in Fenway, just think what AG will do. He might hit 60 doubles.
“and on top of that has a history of putting up better offensive numbers than A-Gon (including last year).”
Beltre 162 Game Average – .275/.328/.462 for an OPS of .791
Gonzalez 162 Game Average – .284/.368/.507 for an OPS of .875
You must have meant that Gonzalez has a history of putting up better offensive numbers (other than the two statistical outliers from Beltre in 2004 and 2010).
“the last two seasons he’s been in a real offense (i.e. not the Mariners) he’s been a monster.”
If A-Gon was in a real offense (i.e. not the Padres) in a hitter’s park, he has the potential to have a 300/400/600 line every year. The dude has serious talent, and is a very smart hitter.
I think people are really more concerned that he’s only healthy in contract years.
2010 Beltre: 7.1 WAR
2010 A-Gon: 5.3 WAR
Career high, Beltre: 10.1 WAR!
Career high, A-Gon: 6.5 WAR
Yeah, yeah, “Beltre only performs in a career year” and all that nonsense, but he doesn’t cost any top prospects and the last two seasons he’s been in a real offense (i.e. not the Mariners) he’s been a monster.
While I like Beltre, if the Sox have a shot at getting Gonzalez it needs to get done!
im a tigers fan but id rather take gonzo. beltre only does well on contract years and boston hasnt even offered him a contract yet
im a tigers fan but id rather take gonzo. beltre only does well on contract years and boston hasnt even offered him a contract yet
LOL, i was thinking the same thing.
Adrian and Youk, I like our left fielder’s ribs intact thank you very much…
How about Adrian AND Adrian at 1b & 3b, AND Youk…in LF?!
Or Youk in a DH/3B/1B rotation giving both Adrains regular rest. Sadly obviously never going to happen.
Definitely AGon and Youk…
A lot of people are saying that AGon costs prospects AND money…but that’s part of the purpose of prospects. They can’t all fit on the major league roster, but even then, you stockpile them for when you come upon a good trade…like this one.
And I don’t know if my logic is right here, but the way FA compensation works, it’s better to bring in other people’s FA than resign your own. If you sign a type A and lose a type A, you still end up with 1 first round and 1 sandwich. So we give up 4 prospects (who aren’t major league ready, and thus, still not certain) for AGon, but we pick up 4 extra picks in the strong 2011 draft from the departure of Beltre and Matrinez. Doesn’t sound bad at all to me! And something I’ve said all along was, if they sign Beltre now, they’ll lack flexibility to sign a big 1B for the next few years. And on top of that, Beltre has to prove that he can perform in a non-walk year.
Also, now we’ve got a big lefty set for the next half decade (assuming an extension works out), exactly what’s needed to replace Ortiz.
Definitely AGon and Youk…
A lot of people are saying that AGon costs prospects AND money…but that’s part of the purpose of prospects. They can’t all fit on the major league roster, but even then, you stockpile them for when you come upon a good trade…like this one.
And I don’t know if my logic is right here, but the way FA compensation works, it’s better to bring in other people’s FA than resign your own. If you sign a type A and lose a type A, you still end up with 1 first round and 1 sandwich. So we give up 4 prospects (who aren’t major league ready, and thus, still not certain) for AGon, but we pick up 4 extra picks in the strong 2011 draft from the departure of Beltre and Matrinez. Doesn’t sound bad at all to me! And something I’ve said all along was, if they sign Beltre now, they’ll lack flexibility to sign a big 1B for the next few years. And on top of that, Beltre has to prove that he can perform in a non-walk year.
Also, now we’ve got a big lefty set for the next half decade (assuming an extension works out), exactly what’s needed to replace Ortiz.
Question to Boston fans: Adrian and Youk or Youk and Beltre?
If I was Boston I would be worried about who they will have to give up as he is the franchise player in San Diego!
If I was Boston I would be worried about who they will have to give up as he is the franchise player in San Diego!
Rizzo and Lars Anderson should be more then enough to get Gonzalez in a Red Sox uniform.
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Bravo, sir. Bravo.
Bravo, sir. Bravo.
That made me literally laugh out loud.
Is Kalish still considered a “minor leaguer” ?
Is there an official definition? Or are you asking is he officially a rookie? Or are you asking is he major league ready?He has 163 major leauge at bats so he’s certainly no seasoned major leaguer but he has over 130 ABs so he won’t be eligible for any rookie of the year award. Considering he handled himself well in Boston I’d say he could take the helm in center for a major league team next year.
Just curious if ppl think Edes’ comment would rule out including Kalish in a deal. As you point out, he’s technically not really a “minor leaguer” anymore but still has rookie status…he’d be a very attractive option for the Padres and when paired with Kelly, makes as good a 1-2 prospect duo as anybody.
As a Pads fan, I’d hope that Kalish’s trivial amount of major league experience wouldn’t rule him out. Petco’s OF really requires having two legit CF out there and having Kalish/Maybin/Venable patrolling the OF would make for some impressive athleticism and excellent D. 60-70 SB between them isn’t bad either…
Eh, the day I understand a sports writers speculations is the same day I have to check my self into a mental ward because it’ll mean I understand crazy people.
He’s not a rookie anymore tho
Kalish should not be ruled out. Kalish is not an established major leaguer, although he is “major league ready”. I believe when saying minor leaguers he was referring to non established Major Leagers. I can not imaging the Padres making a deal without getting a single major league ready player. The padres would be asking for fuentes/iglesias/kelly/rizzo if no major league ready players like kalish are considered.
Trading to the Sox just makes the most sense for the Padres. I only say that because of their knowledge of the Sox system. It just works for them.
AGon is a beast. been tearing it up with a rubbish Padres lineup around him….it cracks me up seeing these rubbish trades redsox fans come up with
kelly and Iglesias are both highly overated…Kalish and Nava are rubbish
Kelly is only 21 and has 2 or 3 well developed pitches. He’s ahead of the learning curve. Iglesias needs bat work but he’s arguably the best defensive short stop in any teams system. Kalish was a monster when he was on the Sox last season, he proved that, if the Sox needed, they could start him.
As for Nava…..
Kelly is only 21 and has 2 or 3 well developed pitches. He’s ahead of the learning curve. Iglesias needs bat work but he’s arguably the best defensive short stop in any teams system. Kalish was a monster when he was on the Sox last season, he proved that, if the Sox needed, they could start him.
As for Nava…..
Anyone who knows even the slightest bit about the Red Sox farm system knows the following:1) Scouts continue to agree Kelly has the potential to be an ace.2) Iglesias has the potential to have a glove that’s the love child of Ozzie Smith and Omar Vizquel… but will probably be a #9 hitter.3) Kalish has the potential to hit 15-20 hrs a season, steal 30-40 bases, and be a decent outfielder.4) No one considers Nava a prospect… he’s a great feel good story. He’s the Rudy of the Boston Red Sox.On the other hand people who simply don’t like the Red Sox say “kelly and Iglesias are both highly overated…Kalish and Nava are rubbish”
The key word in all that is “potential”. A-gone is proven and would likely significantly increase his production in the AL East.
From England?
From England?
I’d give Kelly, Rizzo, Pimentel, Reddick, and maybe a guy like Stephen Fife.
All good prospects, Kelly and Rizzo of course being the main attraction, however Pimentel is a solid young talent too. Reddick might be able to translate those AAA numbers better in the NL, Fife is a nice young pitcher, has some upside
Not sure how much success Reddick would have on the Padres. If it is a power hitting guy I would want a right handed bat rather than a lefty. Petco is tough on lefty power hitters. Kalish and his athleticism would play well there though.
Make it Kelly, Rizzo, Lowrie and I’m sold.
I’d give Kelly, Rizzo, Pimentel, Reddick, and maybe a guy like Stephen Fife.
All good prospects, Kelly and Rizzo of course being the main attraction, however Pimentel is a solid young talent too. Reddick might be able to translate those AAA numbers better in the NL, Fife is a nice young pitcher, has some upside
Just waiting for Century to say how much AGon will suck as soon as he is traded to the Red Sox…
Just waiting for Century to say how much AGon will suck as soon as he is traded to the Red Sox…
ADRIAN AND YOUKILIS, easily
make the deal Theo, do whatever it takes to get this guy to Fenway(Ellsbury, Kalish, Rizzo, whatever i dont care just make this deal happen), Seriously, make it happen
AGON is built for Fenway Park
I think this could end up being a great move for the Pads, especially if they can land several prospects in an exchange. I think they will be gun shy about pulling the trigger though, like they have before… They might gauge the hype and then have a free-for-all before the late season trade deadline. The short porch in RF at Fenway should be pretty exciting for A-Gon too.
The thing that’s different about this trade as opposed to other is that the Pads front office knows the system real well. They’ve scouted and watched these prospects a lot so they know exactly what they’re getting.
Which is also kind of scary for Boston, because they know our prospects weaknesses better than any other farm system….but they also know our prospects personally, know their strengths, and might feel more confident in their abilities to continue to grow. Double-edged sword I guess.
Think positively, they know what players would reasonably release the vice grip on A Gon so he can be a Sox!
Think positively, they know what players would reasonably release the vice grip on A Gon so he can be a Sox!
Actually, RF is not Fenway’s short porch. Its 389 feet to RF, except for a sliver near the foul pole (called the Pesky Pole). There’s talk of enlarging the bullpen in right by 9 feet, which would make RF 380 feet. Still not a short porch, but I have no doubt A-Gonz will be able to reach it more than 30 times a season.
Actually, RF is not Fenway’s short porch. Its 389 feet to RF, except for a sliver near the foul pole (called the Pesky Pole). There’s talk of enlarging the bullpen in right by 9 feet, which would make RF 380 feet. Still not a short porch, but I have no doubt A-Gonz will be able to reach it more than 30 times a season.
I think this could end up being a great move for the Pads, especially if they can land several prospects in an exchange. I think they will be gun shy about pulling the trigger though, like they have before… They might gauge the hype and then have a free-for-all before the late season trade deadline. The short porch in RF at Fenway should be pretty exciting for A-Gon too.
I really only have one comment for this: My fingers are crossed.
you’ll need to cross your toes as well…I don’t see a deal getting done without Lowrie or Ellsbury…two Major Leaguers.
They were already crossed. Despite that it says minor leaguers, my bet is a deal around Kelly and Lowrie.
I agree, although I think Rizzo and Pimentel might be in mix as well. As could Felix Sanchez and Ryan Lavarnway.
Who’s Felix Sanchez?
The most underrated Red Sox prospect, and one of Baseball’s very underrated prospects.
Tell me more. Cause….I thought you meant Felix Doubront. So now I’m all confused. 😀
Felix Sanchez, not Doubront, is mega fast, and can defend, search him on MiLB and on google video or prospect tube
Sanchez is so far away though. Plenty of speed guys never make it above AA. So far he’s never had more than 258 AB in a season and has a total of 1 hr to his name. His SB rate is about 75% and his KO rate is 24%. At age 20 w/ less than 300 AB above NYPN lge he has a long way to go. His career line is .279/.364/.345 in 557 PA since 2008.
Yeah dude, just pointing out that he might be a throw in, and your absolutley right (like always) that speed hits don’t always make it, although Felix gets on base.
It really depends on what the Pads see as their time table. Do they see 2012 as the year to start winning it all? Or 2014? If you want to win as fast as possible the deal has to be around Lowrie and Kalish. They can be plugged into the lineup quickly. But if the Pads want a year or 2 to develop someone, then you’re looking at guys like Pimentel, Lavarnway, etc.
Sure thing. Plenty of possibilities.
I think if the cards all fall right they could be competitive in 2012. Though that would require Castro, Luebke, Blanks, Maybin all meeting at least most of their potential.
Rotation of Latos, Castro, Richard, Stauffer, Luebke.
Lineup of Lowrie (potentially), Headley, Blanks, Venable, Darnell/Cunningham, Maybin, Hundley, Forsythe/Cumberland.
Their bullpen still has great depth and a steady stream of top notch relief prospects coming.
They should also have $$ to spend in 2012 to fill in holes if some guys don’t pan out. Also maybe in 2012, but definitely in 2013 you’d add Jaff Freaking Decker to the mix. Plus whatever other prospects they get from the Sox and potential Bell trade sometime in the next year.
There are also 3-4 top level starting pitching prospects at the various A levels in the Padre system. There is a big 6’8″ pitcher named Matt Lollis that may be ready for MLB in late 2012. I would take Kelly, Kalish and Doubront and then have the Red Sox trade Ellsbury or anyone else to acquire that good hitting AAA Catcher from the Blue Jays. That would give the Padres 4 for 1. That would give the Red Sox an annual MVP, Gold Glove first baseman. All of you guys complain about giving up prospects and then having to pay Adrian his contract; however, its not your money, who cares what it costs to sign Adrian. Adrian is the perfect long term answer for the Red Sox and of all the superstars in the game today, is among the youngest.
you’ll need to cross your toes as well…I don’t see a deal getting done without Lowrie or Ellsbury…two Major Leaguers.
I really only have one comment for this: My fingers are crossed.
BoSox get this get done and they are back in a the mix right with the Yankees
100% correct the line-up’s would match up extremely well
I’d pick them over the Yankees. Even if the Yanks add Lee the Red Sox have the superior rotation. With the addition of A-Gon if the Sox could just stay healthy their line up would be just as potent. Both teams have some work to do on their bullpens.
THEO! GET THIS DONE PRONTO!
THEO! GET THIS DONE PRONTO!
Bout time. This should have happened a year or two ago.
Am I the only one who thinks SD asks for Lars?
Eh, if they ask for Anderson it’ll be more of a “oh, throw in Lars.” His trade value is pretty low. If they’re asking for a first base prospect they’d probably ask for Rizzo, his stock is rising.
I don’t know that I would consider him a “throw in” because he does have the potential to be a good(not great) major league 1B, but they would definitely prefer Rizzo, by a long shot.
My point was more that Anderson really lacks major value. I don’t see him being a piece that makes or breaks a AGon deal.
Gotcha, that makes sense.
Padres need pitching prospects plus infield/catching help. So no AAAA outfield prospects, i.e. Nava and Kalish please. Also center field is taken by Maybrin, so no need for Ellsbury (besides the fact that he is a Boras client and will soon be too expensive anyway)
Are you really gonna roll with Maybin? Yes he’s still young, but he hasn’t proven himself like Ellsbury has.
Given the fact that Ellsbury will be arbitration eligible next year and will command a lot of money, I would think the Padres have minimal interest in him. Fuentes and/or Kalish will have to be included IMO.
Ryan Kalish is the second best prospect the Sox have and is only 22 he is not a AAAA player.
Either he has Kalish confused with Reddick or he’s just clueless. I’d be delighted to keep Kalish.
Ehhh, I wouldn’t call Kalish AAAA,Nava sure.
Padres need pitching prospects plus infield/catching help. So no AAAA outfield prospects, i.e. Nava and Kalish please. Also center field is taken by Maybrin, so no need for Ellsbury (besides the fact that he is a Boras client and will soon be too expensive anyway)
WOW!!!!!!! Epstein is good, I hope Mets front office reached his level
Nothing has happened yet man.
The level of learning how to pick up a phone and calling to try to get players to upgrade a team? Yeah the Mets front office has been deficient in that recently…
WOW!!!!!!! Epstein is good, I hope Mets front office reached his level
Hey Edes if you wrong I’M personally going to fire you.
Hey Edes if you wrong I’M personally going to fire you.
AGone for Casey Kelly, Anthony Rizzo, Ryan Kalish, Jose Iglesias
Everyone else is throwing this stuff out, I’m joining in the party damnit
iglesias is to much add in lowrie and bowden
No wants Bowden, or really even Lowrie though he’s at least a maybe.
AGone for Casey Kelly, Anthony Rizzo, Ryan Kalish, Jose Iglesias
Everyone else is throwing this stuff out, I’m joining in the party damnit
aidos mios! not this again!
aidos mios! not this again!
A possible side effect to this A Gonzalez trade is the Tampa Bay Rays might then consider their team totally out of contention with their free agent losses, financial constraints, improved Red Sox and Yankees, and punt 2011.
Doubt it. Rays have more variables next season but a few smart trades and a few buy low signings and they’re still contenders.
not with there rotation it will take some work but there still a competitive team
Trade Idea:- Padres acquire SS J.Iglesias, 1b M.Rizzo, RHP’s C.Kelly & Stolmy Pimentel & OF J.Reddick from the RedSox in exchanged for 1b A.Gonzalez & RHP H.bell.
GOnzalez.. guarantee.. will sign a contract similar to Texiera; 7yr 180mill.
It all sounds good except for Iglesias.And I don’t know who M. Rizzo is. I know an Anthony Rizzo…are they brothers? 🙂
Why would San Diego do a deal without Iglesias? That’s their most glaring need. Perhaps Kelly, Kalish, Lowrie and Doubront or something gets them interested but that would completely gut an already weak farm system.
Actually that trade would leave the Sox with most of their prospects, as most of our best prospects are in the lower minors still.
SD wants Reynolds, so this makes sense. They move Reynolds to 1B. Sounds like Heath Bell wants a 3 yr deal and they dont want to pay him, maybe Towers gets Bell for Reynolds. SD has guys that can be the closer right now. SD would get rid of salary of AGon and Bell and pick up Reynolds salary who is locked up.
I really don’t know why San Diego wants Reynolds and his K’s so bad. I wish Hoyer would buy into this, ” built for Petco ” line he keeps using and build a team reminescent of the Cardinals of the 80’s. Nothing but speed, top to bottom in the lineup and in the field. Minus Jack Clark and Pedro Guerrero those teams never had another power guy.
I think the SD is interested in Reynolds talk was just a false rumor. I would be really surprised if that was a guy the Padres were interested in. Headley has proven himself to be better than Reynolds and I’d take my chances with Blanks over adding Reynolds to play 1B.
I hope this gets done, and soon. That way maybe there will be a bit more of a market for Prince Fielder and the Brewers can actually get some pitching for him.
Can this just happen already I am so sick of hearing about it. How much foreplay do these two teams need to just get it in. My god seriously either do it or don’t and move on either way
I would actually prefer holding onto Lowrie over Iglesias to be honest. We are just going to restock good prospects in every draft anyway. Plus if Lowrie can play like he did last season over a full healthy year he would be one of the better SS in the league.
Should Khalish be in this deal?
We will not trade Iglesias because this regime was also there when we traded away Hanley, granted it was worth a WS but to watch him someone else and being a top talent at his position still hurts.
The trade will be AGON for Rizzo, Britton, Pimentel and Kalish or Reddick, whomever Jed likes better. We will not move Casey Kelly nor Iglesias. This is his last year in contract, but lets not be absurd and think we are trading a top 20 prospect (Kelly) for him. Rizzo and Britton are both top 100 prospects and Pimentels upside is keeping him on the fringe and he is only 20 years old. Kalish will be tough to lose but it always takes something to get something,
It is similar as the other teams mentioned. The orioles would not give up britton whom is a legitimate #2 starter nor would TOR give up Drabek. I know all of you prospect people just look for a guy in the top 100 and think a team would trade him for this guy, BUT in reality a #2/3 starter possible ace for 5 years of controllable pay is much better than a guy who could be better for 18-22M annually.
So you are saying you are going to get a top 5 first basemen without giving up your top two prospects??? Reddick and Kalish are both overrated. You didn’t give them any true major league talent. While Rizzo and Britton I agree with you, Padres have to ask for one of those top two or possibly ellsbury
If you don’t believe at least half a dozen teams will beat that offer, you’re crazy. If the Red Sox get him be prepared, it’s going to hurt.
Please name a half dozen teams that:
a) Need a first baseman
b) Would be willing and able to beat that offer
c) Can afford to pay Gonzales
I think Kelly can move. I don’t want to lose Iglesias either though. Kelly though should be the centerpiece. Him and Lowrie, plus Rizzo and a Kalish or Pimentel or somebody.
I think that’s a pretty fair trade for both sides there.
kelly isn’t a top 20 prospect. He was #24 last season(baseball america) and had a horrendous season. I mean, HORRENDOUS. Sorry, just because they are in the red sox system doesn’t make them any better of prospects.
Looking at stats might suggest he had a down year, but I wouldn’t go so far to call it horrendous. From what I’ve read in Baseball America, managers and scouts were still impressed by his poise and stuff this year, and seemed not to lose much confidence in him, if any at all. On top of that, he was still young for AA.
Horrendous? As the youngest pitcher in his league the guy had a 4.03 FIP and increased his velocity. But yeah, keep looking at ERA in a vaccum to judge the performance of prospects. It always amuses me when people who have no idea about a prospect speak like they hold the gospel. Kelly might not be top 20, but he isn’t far off either. He’s more than capable to headline a deal for a guy one season away from free agency. It has nothing to do with the red sox system.
i wasn’t looking at ERA. i was looking at the entire stat line. but go ahead and make assumptions about people. Your exact words were he was top 20. I’d say he is top 40. pitching prospects with “ace” potential i’d take over Kelly..Hellickson, Teheran, Miller, and possibly Parker. No one says he sucked. He had a really bad year. That hurts his stock. I think the padres would be perfectly happy with kelly as a centerpiece but don’t make him bigger than he really is..
Actually Theo was on his gorilla suit vacation when Hanley was traded and has said in the past that he would not have made that trade with Hanley as a part of it.
Here we go again…
Honestly I would hold onto Kalish too. Give em Iglesias, Kelly, Pimentel, and Lars Anderson. If they dont take it they are idiots. We still will have Rizzo, Vitek, Ranaudo, Britton ect. and more coming because we spend on the draft. Keep Kalish, Ellsbury, and Lowrie! We will need them.
How are they idiots when a) Agonz has no leverage and can’t demand an extension b) Agonz is only owed 1/$5.5 mil which makes him affordable to anyone that wants him
one of the best deals 5.5 the padres dont have much leverage either there unlikely to sign him theyd lose him for a few draft picks but no kelly iglasias rizzo ect
Excellent. You take away Gonzo from the Pads, you take away any serious offensive threat in that WHOLE lineup. Do it. With Selig’s postseason extension proposition (Which no ones opposing) into play, Red Sox Yanks and Rays are gonna all make the playoffs anyways. Meanwhile Gonzo is out of the NL West. Padres are cleaning house! No more Tejada, Garland, Young. Keep it going!
I’m a Padres fan and a huge Gonzo fan, but trading Gonzalez is the right move for the franchise. Sure with Gonzalez we have a chance to compete next year, but trading him we have a good chance to compete for the 4+ years after that. Hoyer would be dumb to let Gonzalez walk and only get 2 draft picks in return.
The Padres have the chance to build a really solid farm system, which is exactly what a team with a payroll south of $50M needs to stay competitive. We already have some solid talent in the lower levels, then we have the opportunity to add some talent with Gonzo and Bell trades, plus the 5 picks we will get before the 2nd round in next year’s draft. The farm system is the lifeblood of a low payroll team.
Great post, good to see a fellow Padres fan actually understands the only possible way a small market team can compete in a MLB with no salary cap. Some people seem to blame ownership and call us gutless for letting him leave, but there’s no just way we can afford him. Might as well get max value for him when the opportunity is there.
I agree. I don’t blame management for moving him. If they offer $7/$160 and cant build around him then that would be a problem. The Padres are kind of damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Trade him and the casual fans go in an uproar about getting rid of the best player. Let him leave in free agency and the fans will complain they got nothing for him. Resign him to the crazy(although well deserved) extension he covets and they will not be able to build a competetive team.
I agree we should get a good haul for Gonz; however, if the Padres get back most of that pap the Red Sox posters are suggesting we are in trouble. There are only two players from the Sox group I would want [Kelly and Doubront]. If the Red Sox want Gonz, they better get busy and trade for AA and AAA prospects the Padres need instead of trying to push a Rizzo on us. Rizzo is not any better then the first baseman [Clark] the Padres already have. Why would we want another one?
I am still a little peeved that the Padres have to have a payroll at $40mm. That is significantly less then what it was at Qualcomm Stadium 8 years ago. The San Diego Taxpayers voted for a new ballpark so that we could have a competitve payroll; however, now we are getting screwed. We were sold a bill of goods that said if we vote for a new stadium, the Padres will be competitive in bidding for free agents. This team still draws near 2.5 million, with attendance over $3mm for the first several years at PETCO. Having a payroll at $40mm is such b.s. and all the so called hardcore fans are ok with it? I am not ok with it. Dont give me that crap about what a small TV market it is either. San Diego Metropolitan area is in the top ten in the U.S. and we will have a smaller payroll then the Pittsburgh Pirates in 2011, geez, do you have any bridges you want to sell me why you are at it lol.
What you’re experiencing is basball’s version of the shell game. The Padres owners are going back to hiding revenues from their fans and putting it back into their pockets. The trading of Gonzales is the prime example. First they slash his salary from the books and replace him with players under control and away from salary Arbitration for a few years, thus saving millions. Then the teams falls from contention and becomes eligible for Revenue Sharing once again. We’ve seen what teams like KC, Pittsburgh and Florida has done with the monies they’ve received from the Luxury tax, pocketed and cried poverty. That’s what the Padres are doing again.
You have come to the realization and should join with fans of your like and bring it out and make all the fans know what’s going on. Put pressure on the owners to give you a team that at least competes by putting out a representative product on the field.
to get agon redsox fans need to be realistic they will be stripping their farm system…every team that gets involved in this deal would be doing the same thing. You are taking about taking a top 5 1stbasemen from a team, possibly the second best 1stbasemen in the game right now from a team that does not have to trade him. They could wait till the dead line, they could try and try and try and extend him they could wait offer arb and get 2 picks for sure for him next season….Any player who fans think is untouchable cant be thought of like that anymore…If you want your team to get a-gon your team has to give up those untouchable…My guess for Boston it would be Top 5(in the system) infileding(2nd, ss or 3rd) prospect in other words iglesias(sp).. top 5(in the system) pitching prospect. top 1st prospect+mid level out field prospect+mid level pithing prospect….To get A-gon the team is going to have to part with probably 4-5 of their top ten tallents…and for boston that means youlk at 3rd and with an extension probably no more crawford or werth talk due to the money gonzo would get
“probably no more crawford or werth talk due to the money gonzo would get ”
Gonzales only gets short money in 2011. The big money comes in 2012 after Drew, Ortiz, Papelbon and Wakefield come off the books. So, yeah. There’s still money for Crawford.
Oh yeah, Scutaro and Cameron will be gone, too.
I heard Bowden, Ellsbury, and Dice-K gets it done.
LoL
Ok, time for a lineup:EllsburyCrawfordPedrioaGonzalezYoukilisDrew/KalishLowrieSalty/Varitek
The trading of Gonzalez would most likely mean they go for Werth rather than Crawford because they are both lefties and the Sox would want to probably even out the lineup with a right handed power bat.
Are the Sox switching to an 8 man lineup? And where is Ortiz?
Sorry just had to rib you a little there…
Yeah that was pretty bad. I must still be in denial about picking up that option.
OK, that means they would be too lefty-heavy with Crawford, so just for fun:
Ellsbury
Pedroia
Gonzalez
Youkilis
Ortiz
Werth
Kalish/Drew
Lowrie
Salty/Varitek
Hey it’s all good, I hear the human brain has the ability to completely block out moments of extreme shock or pain…
I think it would be more like:
Ellsbury
Destroia
Crawford
Youk
AGon
Lowrie/Scutaro
Papi
Catcher
Drew
No freaking way would Crawford bat in front of youk and agon there or have lowrie/scutaro protecting Agon….are you crazy?!!
Yeah, probably a little nuts. I was trying to keep the righty/lefty/righty thing but you are probably right. How would you set them up? I put Crawford batting in front of Youk and AGon because he doesn’t want to lead off and I would hate to stick him in the middle of a bunch of slow guys. I, also, guess I have a hard time seeing Pedroia as a #3 hitter instead of Crawford.
I put Youk batting in front of AGon because, with his high OBP he would be a good table setter for AGon to drive home. I guess you could bat AGon 4th, Youk 5th and Papi 6th.
I’m curious how you would set them up.
Personally I would swap 4-5, 6-7, and 8-9 making it something like:
Ellsbury
Pedroia
Crawford
Gonzalez
Youkilis
Ortiz
Lowrie/Scutaro
Drew
Saltalamacchia/Varitek
I know that would make the 3-4 both lefties but I think it would be the best line-up and hey, it works for the twins!
Now we are talking!!!!!!! Get it done! Hopefully we sign him to an extension right away.
If the Sox don’t shell out Casey Kelly I wouldn’t trade Agon to Boston if I were the Padres. When you trade a player like Adrian Gonzalez you better get a great return. Like the Mark Teixeira trade the Padres should get a stud arm(s) and stud position player(s). Something like Jose Iglesias+Lars Anderson+Ryan Kalish+Casey Kelly seems fair. After all Agon is one of the best in the game and there’s only a handful of elite 1st basemen in MLB. It definitely has to hurt the sox to trade for Agon. If Granderson cost the Yankees : Austin Jackson, Phil Coke and Ian Kennedy than one can only imagine the return for Agon.
So basically four of the Red Sox top five prospects? When has this ever happened? Also the deal for Granderson wasn’t that much, I don’t know what you’re talking about….
Thats exactly what it was. Not top 4 of 5 but Yankees gave up all those players just for Granderson.
Phillies sent all of their top prospects except for Domonic Brown to Toronto for Roy Halladay.
Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball. Agon is not the best position player in baseball. That would be Albert Puljos.
Roy is not the best pitcher in baseball!!!!!
Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball. A-gon is not the best position player in baseball. That would be Puljos who Bobby Cox has said is worth 50 mill a year.
source says adrian gonzalez “in town” for a physical? this thing may have some legs after all
what sources? Your magic 8 ball?
SOSH
Not a reliable source. They’re just another board, like this one, only more arrogant. Anybody can say anything.
If this trade happens today, this can render the Winter Meetings as interesting as a Cymbalta party…
That gives the Pads two players they can immediately stick in as regulars (SP and OF) and a promising starter in AA and whatever else they get. The Rays acquire a an inexpensive bat to make up for the loss of Pena and Crawford and still maintain a rotation of Garza, Price, Neiman, Shields and whoever stays from Davis/Hellickson. The OF would be Upton, Jennings and Zobrist. One last dash at winning it all with Agonz and Longo in the middle. And they stick it to the Sox.
That message came out half complete.
Hellickson or Davis, Matt Joyce, Nick Barnese plus lower prospects.
You just don’t want the Sox to get him.
As a Pads fan I’d be happy if Jed could work out a trade with the Rays involving one of their young pitchers and Brignac though.
I would think the Padres would be asking for the following:
Kelly
Kalish
Rizzo
Pimental
I would think:
Jose Iglesias
Anthony Rizzo
Stolmy Pimentel
Jed Lowrie
They have enough arms and OFers
No need to take Lowrie and Iglesias….put Kelley in for Lowrie and you are about right.
I think that is very close to the deal, but now with Heath Bell potentially included, I think they do include Lowrie to fill SD’s SS need and one more mid-level prospect to complete the blockbuster.
Beltre is probably on the phone right now with the A’s signing his deal. If the Red Sox get Gonzo his market goes WAY down.
lemme know if im being naive……is agon’s value at its lowest point now since he recently had surgery and may not be ready for the start of the season, he may never be the same player again…
By squiring Gonzo, the sox would hold about as many chips as we can possibly hope. This will give them room to sign Crawford or Worth and use Ellsbury to get Grienke. I think Theo has a master plan that starts with getting Gonzo. If we don’t get Gonzo I wouldn’t mind keeping Beltre although I don’t think the sox will give him the years he wants. We need to bolster the mound after the inconsistent years our 3-5 had in the rotation. Who knows how that is going to happen.
Well first of all the Red Sox don’t need another starter. Second, the Sox have enough for one big trade not 2… outside of teams in video games I don’t know who would.
Three-way trade! Three-way trade! Three-way trade!
makes sense if they want to move Ells
Just because WEEI hates Ellsbury doesn’t mean the Red Sox do.
i hate him
Absolutely agree, but if they want to use him as part of the deal instead of, say, Kalish it makes sense.
^This. 3-way with the Padres and Dbacks bringing us Gonzalez and Upton for Kelly, Iglesias, Lowrie, Ellsbury, Kalish, Doubront, Rizzo, Fuentes, and Exposito. Then sign Crawford.
Wake up from your wet dream
What is this? Three ways and wet dreams? I thought we were talking about baseball?
Could be on of the silliest proposals of all time
I think the Mets should get involved. They can offer Ike Davis and a prospect or two, no other team including the Red Sox can offer back a Major League ready first basemen who can produce in the lineup.
Rangers (Moreland), Mariners (Smoak), Blue Jays (Wallace), Braves (Freeman), Red (Alonso) and Royals (Killer Kila, Hosmer, Mous). But I get your point.
blue jays moved wallace to houston for anthony gose
My bad.
Brandon Belt, second best 1B prospect to Hosmer.
Back in July, every time someone proposed a deal that included a 1B in return, Padres fans said they already had a top MLB-ready 1B waiting in the wings. What happened to him?
I assume you’re refering to Kyle Blanks. He was hurt for most of 2010 and I think had TJ or shoulder surgery or something. He had a poor showing in 2010 @ .157/.283/.324 in 102 AB but overall has hit 13 hrs in 250 AB from 2009-2010. He can play 1B and LF but my guess is they would prefer to keep him at 1B.
Things you need to know about the padres:
C: Hundley is penciled in as the starter but has yet to prove he can handle starter duties. Hagerty is a Beast that nobody talks about; he’s a great hitter and rising fast. He was named the best Catcher in A ball; and the only A level starter (everyone else was in High A) to make the first team.
1b: The pads don’t need players like Anderson when trading Agon because Blanks is viewed as the 1st of the future. He did terrible last year but he was playing with a sore elbow and had Tommy John surgery. With that being the case he’s not due back until June; and that is the main reason I think Agon won’t be traded until the deadline. Matt Clark is also a prospect and was a star player at LSU that led the pads system in homers last year.
2nd: Forsythe was moved to 2nd and will probably play in AAA. Galvez has high upside but is in the lower minors; and theirs two other guys that have a chance but I don’t believe in them.
3rd: The team has 4 prospects that all are arguably better players than Headley. Darnell is the highest rated but I think he’s overrated. He has good pop but he doesn’t dominate in the box and I don’t think he get handle the next level. Forsythe can move back to 3rd or play 2nd; Rincon is supposed to have an amazing bat; but he will probably be traded to the AL in the future to DH; and Gyorko has jumped into some analysts top 3 padre prospects overall and is said to have the most advance bat in the system currently.
SS: Cumberland is a shortstop prospect despite what you read and hit 350 in High A last year before getting injured. Caberea still has some potential but this is easily the teams weakest position. Up the middle the pads are flawed so that’s why I think they would want Iglesias.
OF: Venable, Maybin, Ludwick will be starting and Cunningham, Durango, and Denorfia will all be battling for the 4th spot. Guys like Kullbaki, Hunter, Robertson, and others like Decker, Tate, Williams, and Liriano are also future options with upside.
The team also has Jerry Hairston jr as super utility.
On pitching side they have the best bullpen in baseball but as far as SP go:
Latos, Stuaffer, and Richard are locks for the rotation with 2 spots open. Luebke, Leblanc, Harang, and Castro will all be battling for spots out of ST. BTW I know nobody that’s read this will agree with this but Castro > Kelly. If they get a deal with Kelly the padres will have three-four potential Aces with Latos, Stauffer, Richard, Castro, and Kelly. Sampson, Portillo, Lollis, Davis, and others are all also excellent pitching prospects in the lower minors.
IMO the pads have the deepest system in baseball just very few if any (probably just Castro going into 2011) top 50 propects.
I really doubt the Padres have the deepest system in baseball, but I do think it is underrated. Dude at fangraphs made a good point in saying:
“…the team currently has no talent that combines sure thing with star potential (the closest example, probably, is Jaff Decker). They just have a lot of players that have one in spades, and lack the other completely.”
I’m optimistic about the coming years for sure, but lets not get carried away.
Blanks is a good 1B prospect, but no sure thing. It wouldn’t hurt to get Rizzo in the deal to hedge our bets.
None of those 3B prospects is a better player than Headley. Both Darnell and Rincon are looking like future corner outfielders too.
Cumberland sticking at SS is a long shot. Scouts say he’s a future 2B and stats back that up showing that he’s a poor SS.
We don’t have Jerry Hairston, though I hope they re-sign him.
Harang is also a lock for the rotation, with Luebke/LeBlanc battling for the 5th spot.
Stauffer and Richard definitely aren’t potential aces. Sampson is though for sure, if that kid can stay healthy he could be a beast in 4 years.
Dont forget Hefner as a potential MLB mid rotation starter. I think you underestimate the Padre farm system. Name one of those Red Sox’s prospects that pencils out to be a top of the line MLB player? The Padre farm system is better then the Red Sox system; particularly, for pitching [both starting and bullpen]. The Padres weakest farm system areas are catching and middle infielders. Having Kelly is nice, but not the end of the world for the Padres. Having said that, if the Padres got both Kelly and Doubrant plus had the Red Sox trade for a catching and SS prospect then I would be ok with that trade. The Padres could always package some of this extra pitching for positions of need later.
I don’t believe the Red Sox will be giving up Lowrie. It’s a possibility that they trade Marco Scutaro and or Mike Cameron to another team to complete the deal. If the Sox involve Kalish or Reddick in the trade, I bet the Red Sox will place a claim on Adam Loewen to replace either outfielder. Rizzo or Anderson, Kalish or Reddick, Doubront or Bowden, and Jose Vinicio or Oscar Tejeda. Do they really need anybody else?
Id take Bowden, Doubrant, Rizzo, and Inglesis if I were the Padres.
Here’s what the Red Sox need or should do in the next couple of weeks: A) Trade for Gonzalez B) Sign either Crawford or Werth C) Trade Scutaro and or Cameron for pitching relief D) Sign Scott Downs and Matt Guerrier or Jesse Crain E) Sign Russell Martin
Problems solved.
Why can’t we just stop at letter D? I have no interest in Martin
1B. Gonzo
2B. Pedroia
SS. Lowrie/Scutaro
3B. Youk
LF. Crawford/Werth
CF. Ellsbury
RF. Drew
C. Salty/Varitek
DH. Papi
4OF: Kalish
Holy f**k LOL. Then Drew leaves next year and they pursue a replacement with the money they have coming off the books or let Kalish take over. Imagine an outfield of Crawford-Ellsbury-Kalish for years to come. WICKED speedy.
Kelly, Rizzo, Doubront, Reddick +…. GET IT DONE THEO.
LOL it’s fun seeing yankees fans panic already.
Ya right, they probably have Joey Votto on the roster by Sunday.
yup it’s not like they already have a first baseman or even a complete lineup already.
Haha…who’s panicking? I just can’t wait to see what the cost will be. I can’t imagine with Hoyer, Byrnes and McLeod they are going to allow themselves to get snookered.
prospects are not a sure thing. we all know what adrian gonzalez is, so i personally do not care who we have to give to get him.
Where do you see this at all.
Trade Papelbon
Sign Russel Martin C/1B/3B
Sign Jayson Werth/Carl Crawford LF
Get Adrian Gonzalez, Heath Bell for Jose Iglesias, Casey Kelly, Anthony Rizzo, Junichi Tazawa
Then sign Jose Reyes next offseason
after that, sign Albert Pujols to DH when you cut Ortiz, trade for Tim Lincecum for Micheal Bowden, Felix Doubront, dice-k, and a c- prospect. Afterwards, bring back Ted William’s body to be a power bat off the bench.
I can’t help but wonder if you are a Yankees fan in disguise. At least half of your posts are just bashing the Red Sox. You are a one-trick pony and I assure you many of us are tired of your act.
There are plenty of other NYY bashers to make for it.
nope, not a yankee fan in the slightest. These sort of trade proposals of hording every megastar really get under my skin. It just so happens that a majority seem to come from Red Sox fans. That isn’t being bullish, its damn near a fact. You know what many of us are tired of? having to see red sox fans endlessly say were gonna get every player on the face of the planet. not all red sox fans here are like that of course so i’m sorry for the sterotyping. Its not the way the organization itself i don’t like so don’t say i’m a hater, its the ignorant fans who i can’t stand.
I suppose it is only one step above actually hording every megastar like another team in the north east… But yes I agree, it aggravates me too (and makes me look bad as a Sox fan).
I like how the package for Lincecum only has 2 viable prospects.
thank god we don’t have to deal with this all off season. Glad to get it done early.
Boston better be screwing the Mads…do not want them getting set up for the next 5 years off of this trade.
Go Blue!
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I am hoping Gonzalez gets traded to any team but Boston.
Kelly, Rizzo, Doubront, Kalish, Lowrie is my guess. As a Jays fan, I’m not happy about this.
Yes, let this happen. Then he sing Crawford or Werth.
I’ve been waiting to see a post heading like this since last offseason.
As Danny Pudi says on Community, I’m so happy that “I just peed a little”.
Assuming nothing crazy happens…my year is complete.
Sorry I meant We not he.
And probably sign instead of sing. 🙂 You do know you can edit these posts, right?
If I’m Hoyer I ask for Kelly, Doubront, Kalish, Lowrie. I think that is more than fair for the padres.
C- Hundley
1b- Blanks/Salazar
2b- Cabrera/Hoffpauir
ss- Lowrie
3b- Headley
Of- Kalish, Maybin, Cunningham, Ludwick, Venable, Denorfia
Sp- Latos, Richard, Stauffer, LeBlanc, Harang, Kelly, Doubront, Luebke
Rp- Bell, Adams, Gregerson,Thatcher, Russell, Poreda, Perdoma
Add a couple relievers and this team will be very competitive for several years.
I can’t imagine both Kelly and Kalish being in the deal.
Kalish is going to replace Drew.
Say the Sox have Werth/AGonz in 2012 instead of Kalish/AGonz, Sox are mow paying $15M more a year. Doesn’t seem worth it when Sox can get AGonz for nothing next offseason.
But you’re forgetting that the sox now move Youkliss to third and don’t have to pay beltre.
Pads have to ask for at least one elite sp prospect, one other good pitcher and at least one elite position prospect. Considering the padres needs, that would have to be Iglesias or Kalish. Kalish is much more polished in my opinion and ready to produce, but the pads need middle infield help. It’s a sticky situation becuase they need to make out big time in this trade. Iglesias, Kalish, Kelly, Doubront is just too much, but switching out Iglesias for Lowrie makes it more manageable. I still think Ellsbury would be a good fit in SD, but he does not provide the power potential that Kalish does. I guess we’ll see what happens! But this is for sure going down this time. I can just feel it.
As a Sox fan I’d do that trade.
This isn’t half bad:
LF Crawford
2B Pedroia
1B Gonzalez
3B Youkilis
DH Ortiz
RF Drew
CF Cameron
C Salty/Varitek
SS Scutaro
I love how A-Gon isn’t even a Red Sock yet but Crawford is apparently?
I think Crawford/Werth end up with Boston. Sox need an OFer this year, plus another when Drew goes next year. Cameron and Ortiz will also be gone. Sox have some holes to fill and money to spend.
I can see:
Ellsbury
Crawford
Pedroia
Gonzalez
Youk
Ortiz
Saltek
Drew
Scutaro
Saltek
1. I love this creation, Saltek, that you’ve created.
2. It’s in your lineup twice. Did it clone itself?
And I like that lineup a lot. I’m still a little worried that with getting Gonzalez and hopefully extending him, Boston might be less inclined to give Crawford a similarly huge deal and settle for Werth. As long as we have A-Gon, I can almost forgive that but still, I really hope they don’t and they just go all out for Crawford.
The Saltek is so great they made a tenth spot in the line-up specifically so it could bat twice.
answer to #2, you can never get enough saltek.
If the trade happens i doubt he would sign an extension right now. Why would he? if he had the teams have intrest in him above, why wouldn’t he get the most money he could by having them have a bidding war so he could get the most money?!?!?!
The Sox will give him market rate and a bonus to up his current year salary. I’m thinking:2011: $7M Bonus2012-2018: $19M per2019: $25M or $8M buyoutMakes the extension essentially 7/$148 or 8/$165
Agon will get at least $20 – $22mm per year.
If the trade really does happen i dont see him signing an extension. The man wants to be paid why not let the teams who had intrest in him through trades. Why not let them have a bidding war over him. Plus are the sox really going to give him a 8yr 180mil?
Just speculating, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see the trade being anchored on A-Gon agreeing to an extension. IMO it doesn’t make sense to trade him in the offseason unless he’s going to be there long-term…the Pads could wait and get more at the deadline.
I would think the Sox are going to offer a deadline-level of talent with the caveat he signs.
I don’t know if this makes sense. sleeeep
Looks like Pujols decision to stay in STL just got easier!
completely farfetched but
the idea of still going after beltre if they acquire gonzalez.
lest we forget that both him and youkilis have injuries and it is unknown if they will be at full health. a more reasonable assumption would be shifting lowrie over to 3rd if youk isnt ready and to 1st if adrian isnt
but im sure thats not going to happen
nor would the trade if gonzalez is damaged goods like the brandon lyons/mike gonzalez for scott sauerbeck trade back in 03?
If this happens then here’s my prediction. This is assuming they can work out an extension.
Casey Kelly, Reymond Fuentes, Oscar Tejada, Jed Lowrie and Doubront.
This way they get a potential high end starter in Kelly (even though I have my doubts), a possible mid rotation guy in Doubront, a starting SS in Lowrie, a possible long term answer at 2B/SS in Tejada and a younger and cheeper version of Ellsbury in Fuentes. That addresses most of what it seems the Pads needed.
Rizzo is interesting but his inability to make contact, draw a walk and high ko rate could be a problem if he ever makes it to Petco.
I think that’s a much more lenient deal in Bostons favor than most proposals thrown out by Red Sox fans here. I like it, but I don’t know if its enough. I mean they’re looking for minor league talent, but you would think they want players a little closer to the bigs than fuentes or tejada…kelly/lowrie I could definitely see in the deal.
i’m interested to see which prospects we trade, but I don’t think its going to take as much as some of us think. It may be something like Kelly/Rizzo/Lowrie/Pimental which I think is fair. Who knows if Gonzalez will still be available to sign next year. We can’t risk him being traded elsewhere.
Yeah I’m hopeful its lower too. I’m just keeping my guesses high, so I can be happily surprised rather than unpleasantly. 🙂
Possibly. Tejada was at A+ last year and did well .307/.344/.455 so I could see him finishing 2011 @ AA. Fuentes was 19 at low A sally and hit .270/.328/..377 w/ 42 of 47 SB. I could see him repeating low A at 2011 w/ a shot at finishing in A+. Between the two they could make it to the bigs by 2013. We’ll see. I just am not sure about Rizzo as a 2nd piece behind Kelly. I’m more impressed with what Fuentes has shown so far at his age.
I’ll buy that. It’s possible that 2013 is just too long for Pads to wait, and there are some other guys after Rizzo that they could be interested in; Kalish, Pimentel come to mind. But I see your point too. This’ll be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
They’re trading away Gonzalez and let 3 of their starters walk. 2 seasons to rebuild is a short span. Which is why I couldn’t understand why Sox fan’s felt Ellsbury would center a deal.
Hoyer better get Iglesias and Rizzo in this trade.
it seems like most sox fans are fine with including iglesias since we also have lowrie.
other way round
From reading comments of sox fans, they prefer lowrie because he has a better bat.
from reading and posting throughout a lot of this thread, I got the feeling that iglesias has a higher projection, that his bat is coming along, and that a lot of people see him as the shortstop of the future. Lowrie’s injury risks are still too high to believe he can fill that role quite yet.
true on the injury concerns, but we can give him a chance. On other sox boards, many are happy with him and believe he makes our lineup better next year if he stays healthy. i just get the feeling that Theo probably likes Lowrie more in reality and hyped up iglesias to use him in a trade. In my opinion, Lowrie has much more potential offensively.
On many other sox boards, commenters barely even follow the red sox farm system, and are in love with Lowrie for the story. Same reason people refused to let Lowell go for so long, and were unhappy Beltre came in. Sure bet they changed their minds during this season about that. The point is a lot of Red Sox fans are really sentimental, and can quickly overrate guys because of a great plotline. Nava got mentioned earlier on this thread even as a possible piece of the trade; besides the grand slam though, he’s at best a AAAA player with very low trade value. Just nice stories. Now while I think Lowrie’s a lot better than Nava of course, and the difference between him and Iglesias isn’t huge, Iglesias still has the capabilities to be a much better player. And the injuries really are a risk…If he was our best shortstop option I’d say take that chance, for sure, but with Iglesias I just don’t think he is.
I just think we should not let iglesias get in the way of acquiring a player like gonzalez. I will not be upset if including him helps us save ellsbury and bard. That’s just my opinion.
Agreed. I just think he’s the last prospect they go to, and only if its an end-all-negotiations-otherwise kind of requirement by the Padres. If he’s the only way to get it done, do it. But if we could do it another way, still only using prospects (and I definitely think it can be done), then we should.
who else would you be willing to give? Hoyer is supposedly obsessed with iglesias, so he probably backed off ellsbury/bard to get him.
But he is “meh” at best on defense, and hasn’t proved he can play for more than a week without getting hurt.
I like what I saw from him last season and he looks to be past the wrist issue. Also, Theo appears to be very high on him.
I like Lowrie, I just don’t think he is good enough to make people “fine” with trading Iglesias. Just my thoughts.
Iglesias could be a once a decade defensive ss.
yes he could. there’s a decent chance he’s not in the deal tho.
holy crap i can’t believe this actually might happen. I despise the red sox with all of my being and soul but i can’t help but feel happy for them becaause i hate the yankees slightly less
….confused…..
your confusing post is about a bajillion times more confusing since everyone is zoned out while trying to keep updated, heck im not even sure what im typing makes sense
not going to include lowrie. casey kelly and other minor league prospects….
i wouldn’t be suprised to see tazawa thrown in there
Tazawa’s coming off of Tommy John. No one’s going to trade for him until they see him in action.
Not having to include any major league players is a win in my perspective. Some were speculating it will take ellsbury or bard.
Personally I would rather include Ellsbury than Kalish (assuming he is part of what it would take) I know Ellsbury has become a fan favorite but Kalish seems to be a better all around ballplayer. He has the potential to hit 20-25 HR’s, steal 30-40 bases, hit for a respectable average, and get on base at a higher rate than Ellsbury. Not to mention that Ellsbury is older, under control for less time, and more expensive.
Well said. I agree with everything. Kalish is terrific.
I agree with you on some points and disagree on others. As far as service time goes, obviously Kalish is in the better situation. However, think about this from San Diego’s point of view. They don’t want Ellsbury, who is a Boras client and already hitting the more expensive levels of arbitration.
Also, I think those numbers you posted for Kalish are a little exaggerated honestly. He has average power, potential for 15 or so per year I’d say. He’s not fast. I don’t know if 30 bases is out of his range, but I think a more conservative estimate would have him at 15-20. As far as average/OBP, there’s nothing to indicate he’s better than Ellsbury in either category. He hovered around a .250 AVG and finished with a .305 OBP.
Kalish is a good player; a starting outfielder for many teams. The dilemma to the Red Sox organization is that he probably doesn’t hit enough to be a corner outfielder on this team, and he doesn’t defend enough to play center daily.
I’ve made that same argument from SD’s point of view, however in this situation I was simply talking about preferring him over Ellsbury.
You can’t really base his abilities on limited playing time in his first stint in the majors at 22 years old. But really I thought about not mentioning an exact number of what I thought he could do because I was afraid of exaggerating them, but apparently I’m not the only one; take it for what it is worth but Bill James projected him to hit 20HR’s and steal 43 bases next year but to be fair projects him to only hit .271 with only a .340 OBP. So I don’t think what I said his potential is was totally baseless.
i also like kalish more. we can replace ells with crawford.
No you can’t unless Crawford is getting a 3/12M contract.