Carlos Beltran won’t rule out the possibility of returning to San Francisco when he hits free agency after the season, but he’d like to see the Giants add some offense first, according to Andrew Baggarly of the San Jose Mercury News. The expected return of Buster Posey and Freddy Sanchez won’t necessarily be enough.
"I would consider this organization for sure, because the pitching is unbelievable, and adding [Posey and Sanchez] back, of course you're adding more offense to the ballclub," Beltran said."But I believe there should be a little bit more than that."
Beltran suggested that the Giants could use a leadoff hitter to improve an offense that currently ranks last in the National League in runs scored. Though the Scott Boras client doesn’t particularly like hitting in AT&T Park, he’s says that’s secondary to playing for a winning team.
A two-year, $22MM deal would likely stretch the Giants' budget, Baggarly writes. The asking price for the 34-year-old Beltran figures to be even higher. Outgoing CEO Bill Neukom suggested yesterday that Boras will start the bidding for Beltran at five or six years, according to John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle.
I’m not sure which is worse here: Beltran whining about a need for more offense before he’ll consider resigning with a team that overpaid to acquire him or Boras thinking that Beltran is worthy of a 5-6 year deal.
Frankly, the latter. I can’t blame Beltran for wanting to play for a winner at this point in his career. But Boras is delusional if he thinks that Beltran is worth a 5-6 year deal at this point. As another poster said, he’ll be lucky to get a 2 year deal.
Delusional? Or just plain smart? He always shoots high initially: ask for the sun, so when you end up with the moon, it’s not that bad.
u mean like Johnny Damon and the Yankees ?
Wasnt he asking for a 5 year deal for 15 mil a year…ends on a 1 year deal for 5 or something like that ?
I think that there’s smart “shooting for the moon” and delusional “shooting for the moon”. I think that this is the latter.
Something like 3 yrs or 3 yrs + 1 option year might be a less delusional
version of “shooting for the moon”, IMO. This isn’t 7-10 years ago
when roid-powered players were playing productively til they were 40 and
beyond. 35 yrs old is once again what it used to be … the age when
players’ production usually start dropping off.
And if Beltran isn’t careful and doesn’t keep a tight rein on Boras, he
could end up in the same boat as Damon, as Jdd described.
You and @Just_da_damaja:disqus are not wrong, but I do think Boras will get his way most of the time, and that Damon was one of the few times things didn’t go his way.
ECB, I think that an agent needs a certain degree of realism when his client is older, as opposed to younger. With Ellsbury, for example, Boras can easily get really crazy. Ells is still quite young and someone will pony up a contract for him.
But with an older guy, I think that the agent needs a little more finesse, because teams could just ignore the player and look elsewhere, since most of these older players aren’t the special talents they were when they were younger, and getting too greedy may cause the player not end up with a job.
Frankly, the latter. I can’t blame Beltran for wanting to play for a winner at this point in his career. But Boras is delusional if he thinks that Beltran is worth a 5-6 year deal at this point. As another poster said, he’ll be lucky to get a 2 year deal.
I agree. I was at the game last sat against the dodgers. There was one out and a runner on 2nd. A ball was hit to him and he caught it. He thought there was two outs and he jogged in and the runner tagged up when he started coming in. That was the 2nd time he did that. That said this is what I would like to see next year
Crisp cf
Rayes ss
Posey c
Beltran Rf
Sandeval 3rd
Sanchez/ kep 2nd
Belt lf
Pill 1st
I think u r forgetting about a certain Aubrey huff who I can’t imagine is much worse than pill
As long as they keep him away from the outfield at all times, why not?
As long as they keep him away from the outfield at all times, why not?
After all the injuries this year you would want to add two players in reyes and beltran who have had trouble staying healthy in the past?
Plus there’s no way they can afford both.
I do believe the giants will have the stadium paid off by the end of the year. They can put more towards players. They made a ton of money this year. If they can get both they will sell out every game next year like this year
Beltran is exactly right and any Giants fan who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. This team is not a healthy Posey and Sanchez away from being good offensively. Losing Posey hurt, but as I’ve been saying all along, Sanchez a. is pretty overrated and b. was replaced by Jeff Keppinger who statistically is almost an identical player. Their best shot at injecting offense into the team was to give Belt a legitimate shot, but instead they chose to screw with him endlessly and may have destroyed his confidence/career as a result.
Giants need a cf leadoff hitter like crisp to bridge brown and another 300 hitter like rayes with beltran
Beltran needs to go AL…will only be a regular player for so much longer…
Boston as a (future) replacement for Ortiz or in RF?
Baltimore to replace Vlad
Angels if they could ever get rid of Abreu…
Seattle hmmm he could replace anyone!
I don’t disagree with your basic premise about Beltran needing to go to the AL at his age. But I don’t see it in Boston. The Sox already have a couple of in-house options for replacing Ortiz, if need be. A) Shifting Youk to DH (cuz he’s getting badly beaten up playing 3B, or B) Ryan Lavarnway, perhaps their best hitting prospect who’s a DH/backup catcher sort of player.
As for RF, I don’t really see the Sox wanting to spend any money there. The Sox are already staring down the road at a really big potential contract to keep Ellsbury around, as well as a number of already contractually built-in raises for a number of players. Most knowledgeable Sox fans I know seem to think that they’ll probably just go cheap in RF, and stick with Reddick, and hope that Kalish is ready later next season.
Maybe cuz Beltran is 35 and wants to win a WS ?
He’ll probably end up in the AL East…either the Yanks, Boston or Tampa Bay ( if he takes a serious pay cut )
he wont end up in boston if the conversation starts at 5-6 years. they dont do long term deals past 35 or so. its a stretch for them to go beyond year to year at that age even if they are productive fan favorites. (see david ortiz, mike lowell, etc)
wont end up in new york because it makes more sense to excercise swishers option and theyre better off with gardner and granderson. no dh room with them either.
rays – see aforementioned serious paycut
baltimore – ehhh…. you seen how much they arent paying vlad? theyll be more in the market for prince.
toronto – probably wont spend a ton on a long term outfielder any time soon… alex rios and vernon wells saw to that. but maybe?
so ill have to disagree with the idea that he ends up in the AL east. he makes more sense serving as a veteran influence and constant bat in a young lineup like kansas city or cleveland to me. or maybe even st louis if they lose pujols and retain berkman at first? atlanta in left could work too, but that position has been a black hole for them since ron gant….
LOL at 5 years…
Beltran will BE LUCKY to get 2 years…
Agreed. Teams are getting much more cautious with older (i.e. 35+ yo) players.
5 years? no way. At most, a 3 year deal.
i think 5 years is crazy too, but i didnt come up with it. the article did.
“Outgoing CEO Bill Neukom suggested yesterday that Boras will start the bidding for Beltran at five or six years, according to John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle.”
Frankly, I’m not sure that a 3 year deal wouldn’t also be “crazy” for an aging guy with his injury history.
2 years…20 mil with a team option for a 3rd year is the ABSOLUTE MAX i would offer..
10 mil a year wont hurt anyone for the level of production he gives…
I agree on the years… 2 + an option. He might be able to get more money in some places, but 10M per is probably a pretty good guess.
had he stayed healthy all year…maybe..but with the wrist…the flu….he is getting the injury prone label back…
No more than 2 years for an aging star whose performance is starting to drop off. Knowing Sabean he’ll push hard to sign him for 5-6 years $99 million tho.
Beltran is worth a 3yr deal max – yes we will be overpaying but our window to win is RIGHT NOW! I’d rather go for it hardcore the next 2 yrs and suffer the consequences of a 38 yr old Beltran simply because he gives us the best chance to get back to the playoffs with this pitching staff the next couple years
i dont want any former mets on the team…unless his first name starts with a D and last name starts with a W, but that’ll never happen
David West ?
Where would David Wright play? Third base is taken.
Trade Panda to upgrade other positions if that happens.
i love pablo and hope hes a giant for his entire career..shoot i bet he would be down to even play some 2b if he had to, not often you find a guy who just loves playing ball and is a great clubhouse guy that doesnt get caught up in money or other stuff like that
thats why i said itd never happen..but pablo could play first if it ever came to it
Watch him return to the Mets
The Mets can’t afford him. The only way is if they can’t re-sign Reyes, and even then it’s unlikely.
Beltran never saw a game he couldn’t ask out of. Laziest, most spoiled player.
Yup…so lazy he cracked his skull against Cameron’s face…suffered a concussion…and came back to play a few days later…
so spoiled…..taking days off with a fractured cheekbone and a mild concussion
How dare he !
I don’t know where Baggs says 2 years/ $22 million is a budget stretch. They have several contract coming off the books. Ross, $6.3m, Tejada, $6.5m, DeRosa, $6m, Burrell, $1m. That alone is almost $20m.
Beltran will get more than 2/$22m. He wants to stay in the NL, but who could afford him if not the Giants? Or, who has the need? I don’t see it. He’ll have to go to the AL; Texas maybe.
The Giants have reinforcements in the outfield. But they need a shortstop and leadoff hitter. That means Reyes, and it will be costly.
Honestly, who ELSE is out there that can fill the major need for offense except for these two guys?
The problem is that most if not all of that money coming off the books will go to Timmy, either through a new contract or arb, Sandoval who is arb eligible, raises to Zito who may not even be with the team and Cain along with raises to Sanchez and Torres unless they are non-tendered.
Agree. Would you have Jose leadoff? I would like crisp for a year or two to bridge brown
as a hardcore Giants fan, I find no fault in what he said — being realistic, we do need a SS or CF. A lineup 2-5 of Freddie Sanchez, Beltran, Posey, Pablo is definitely above average and when combined with our pitching should/could/would win the division next year
Beltran basically said, he want’s them to sign Jose Reyes. No doubt about that’s a big boost, but can they afford them both? And they’re gonna command big contracts and both players are very risky health wise. Giants have money, maybe they can do it, 5 yrs 100 million for Reyes, 3 years 36 million with 2 club or vesting options for Beltran. If they do it they’ll finally have offense, that’s for sure, and if they can stay healthy they’ll definitely have a legit chance at another title. I would do it for those terms but I’m sure they’ll ask for more at least initially. That Zito contract would be the only reason why they may not be able to do it, it’s a shame. With 140-150 payroll maybe, but consider right now they’re at 120, and still have to pay Zito and Rowand, plus the raises to Sandoval, Lincecum, Cain, etc
Cain gets an $8M raise next year. Who knows what will happen with Lincecum, but a $6-8M raise seems within reality. Vogelsong will get a significant raise. This club is going to be hemorrhaging cash to keep this starting rotation together.
Five years? Ha!!!
no way beltran gets 5 or 6 years
I think Carlos Beltran would make a good hitting coach.
Yeah it really sounds like were not gonna do anything in the offseason guys