ESPN's Keith Law gave his thoughts on a number of prospects during a chat with readers today, and also expounded on a few Major League items. The highlights…
- Cubs fans should be excited about Theo Epstein's "ability to turn the Cubs' baseball ops department into a process-oriented, professionally run organization. You can't run a baseball team the way they were run 20 or 30 years ago. It's a business now, one where smart decisions based on sound processes are necessary and innovation is increasingly critical."
- Law describes Brett Jackson (taken 31st overall by the Cubs in the 2009 amateur draft) as a "non-star prospect" and thinks he would be fair compensation for Epstein.
- Law doesn't think Grady Sizemore can remain healthy as an everyday center fielder. The Indians have a $9MM club option on Sizemore next season but will take their time in deciding on it, given that Sizemore just underwent knee surgery.
- Between Joey Votto and Yonder Alonso, Law would deal Alonso and "look to win" in the remaining two years that Votto is under Reds' control. Cincinnati GM Walt Jocketty recently shot down rumors that the Reds were listening to offers for the reigning NL MVP.
- Law hears from his sources that J.P. Ricciardi isn't currently on the Orioles' short list of general manager candidates, as was reported on Tuesday by Law's ESPN colleague Buster Olney. Law worked for the Blue Jays' front office from 2002-06 when Ricciardi was the team's general manager.
- The Mariners "might have the best rotation in baseball by 2013 or so."
- If given a choice of signing either Prince Fielder or Albert Pujols to a seven-year contract worth the same money, Law says he would choose the younger Fielder. "Pujols is the better player right now, but even at his listed age I worry about his durability and potential decline," Law says.
- Despite Alex Avila's breakout 2011 season, Law said he still prefers Matt Wieters as the better long-term player.
Riccardi off the short-list for the O’s. Apparently the O’s read our posts on MLBTraderumors.
Also nice to finnaaallly see someone give Wieters credit. Dude was awesome this season.
Ricciardi and Law are not bosom buddies so take it with a grain of salt.
37% CS? must be nice
I can add it to my list of about 3 positives to take out of this season, but honestly 3 is even stretching it.
yea when i read that i was like wait what
1 – wieters
2 – knocking off the sox
3 – …laughing at the sox?
One of them has to be getting rid of McPhail, no?
He got rid of himself and his contract just ran out, so I don’t know its shaky whether it counts or not. Its also bittersweet, he does wear a mean sweater-vest.
Aaah, the sweater vest. I’m sure that’ll be hard to see go.
I wear my sweater vest every Thanksgiving dinner.
Is that you uncle Stu?
Hiring Dipoto. #4. PLEASE.
Hiring Dipoto. #4. PLEASE.
Ricciardi and Buck Showalter were both in the Yankees minor league system as coaches in the early to mid-eighties. And Buck will have a lot of input on who eventually is named GM.
stop trying to kill his mood
The only good thing about hiring jp, is that whoever the assistant gm is under him will master the art of gm’ing by learning to be anti jp…
‘if every instinct you have is wrong…then the opposite would have to be right’
There isn’t much not to like about Wierers’ performance this season. It sucks for him to be surrounded by so many non-entities because he really is a solid piece in an MLB catcher class that reaks of awful.
If the Orioles’ new GM has any sense, his first order or business will be getting Wieters locked up and using him as a major building piece.
And I hate to be that guy, but considering they won’t compete, taking a flyer on Varitek as a backup may be a good idea. Saltalamacchia took some major strides forward this season and he gives a lot of credit to Varitek for that. Wieters is around the bottom of the list of catchers who seem to actually need any help, but it couldn’t hurt at the minimal salary Varitek will likely command (Considering they’ll probably go for Lavarnway as backup, I don’t see the Sox even making an effort to keep him around).
Eh…Wieters is fundamentally sound behind the plate. Doesn’t allow pass balls, quick release, strong arm, and calls a good game. He is a gold glove caliber catcher already making any Varitek signing pretty pointless. Not to mention the Os are better off having an actual catcher as a backup so on Wiety off days they have an actual chance to win.
“Law describes Brett Jackson (taken 31st overall by the Cubs in the 2009 amateur draft) as a “non-star prospect” and thinks he would be fair compensation to be sent to the Red Sox as compensation for Epstein.”
Oh. My. God.
Cubs fans are going to be irate. Just look at the “Theo Epstein Signs with Cubs” thread.
In fairness, I think that question was more along the lines of if he had to take one or the other, he’d rather have Epstein for the next five years than Jackson. I don’t think it means he thinks it’s what will or should happen. At least that was my understanding of the context there.
Right, what I was saying was that everyone in the other thread thought it was an absolutely ridiculous and absurd price to even mention Jackson’s name in the discussion for compensation. And now Law comes out and says, if that is what indeed is traded, it would be fair.
I do think it’s curious that Jackson is the only name that is brought up here.
Yeah. I tweeted (shameless plug, except without my Twitter handle it’s meaningless!) just now that a combo of Steve Clevenger and Junior Lake would be a decent return…seems like they’re positions of relative depth for the Cubs and relative weakness for Boston. But what do I know.
I don’t know, Keith Law has always hated Brett Jackson. Never listing him on the top 100 (when BA and MLB did).
I disagree. He referred to Jackson as a “non-star” prospect (whatever that means). To me, he reminds me a lot of a Grady Sizemore type player. Power, speed, walks a lot and strikes out as well. To me, any player with 20/20 ability who can take a walk is star caliber.
depends if he can stick at cf.. if he’s a corner outfielder 20/20 is meh i suppose.
Ugh. Do research (unlike most of the professionals that MLBTR posts comments from). There is no doubt that Jackson “sticks” in center. The only “doubt” is if the Cubs have Jackson and Szczur since Jackson’s plus defense would get bumped to a corner spot for Szczur plus plus range.
You know how many OF’s had 20/20 seasons last year? 10…..out of what….90?
They were Kemp, Ellsbury, Grandy, Braun, the Upton Bros, McCutchen, Young, Francoeur and Cargo. Is that a list of “mehs”?
it’s the 20/20 thing that is overrated, not jackson. 20 stolen bases versus 10 or 15 is just not a very big deal
How is the combination of speed and power overrated? He has 4 out of 5 tools that scouts usually drool over? He has speed, power, defense and can draw a walk. He’s only had 2 1/2 seasons in the minors and albeit a small sample size, crushed the ball at age 22 in his first taste of AAA ball (.939 OPS in 215 PA). That’s a league with a lot of older pitchers in it and he more than held his own. If he were a Yankee or Sox player he would be a top 50 easy.
he already is top 50
“How is the combination of speed and power overrated?”
this is like me saying 500 HRs is an arbitrary thresshold for greatness and you saying “how is power overrated”
stolen bases are useful, but not extremely valuable. 20 isn’t a lot of them to begin with, and compared to 10 or 15 it really isn’t anything special. 20-20 is just a flashy figure
And if its just a flashy figure, how come just 10 players achieved 20/20?
Is it that they know it’s just a flashy figure and nobody will pay attention to it so just 10 dumb players had a 20/20 ’cause nobody told them it didn’t matter to position themselves in a better scoring position?
The kid has power, and speed, so he could easily have a 30/30 season… overrated flashy figure? sure, ok, Ellsbury this year became the first bosox to have a 30/30 season.
he already is top 50
“How is the combination of speed and power overrated?”
this is like me saying 500 HRs is an arbitrary thresshold for greatness and you saying “how is power overrated”
stolen bases are useful, but not extremely valuable. 20 isn’t a lot of them to begin with, and compared to 10 or 15 it really isn’t anything special. 20-20 is just a flashy figure
Jackson projects as a 3-4 WAR player, which is pretty dang good. I’m not a sold on the value of 20/20 guys, but that’s WAR’s a top 75 MLB position player.
i don’t think jackson is overrated
Thing is… if you try to argue with a bosox fan about a prospect the team they root for is trying to acquire, they will first ALWAYS say it is not a very good prospect, but once he’s in their team they will drool all over his stats and say how grandeur he is.
That’s the way it is and has been since a lot of years ago… you’ll see how the primary bosox fanboy Gammons talks marvelous things about Jackson if the sox end up acquiring him.
Implying bias on notsureifsrs? Rookie mistake. You need to go back to MLBTR AAA and work on your post recognition if you want to make it here.
completely agreed. Cubs fans have absolutely zero bias about the only decent prospect in their terrible farm system. Sox fans are hype machines. must be something in the dirty water.
Thing is… if you try to argue with a bosox fan about a prospect the team they root for is trying to acquire, they will first ALWAYS say it is not a very good prospect, but once he’s in their team they will drool all over his stats and say how grandeur he is.
That’s the way it is and has been since a lot of years ago… you’ll see how the primary bosox fanboy Gammons talks marvelous things about Jackson if the sox end up acquiring him.
Jackson projects as a 3-4 WAR player, which is pretty dang good. I’m not a sold on the value of 20/20 guys, but that’s WAR’s a top 75 MLB position player.
For argument’s sake, if someone like Mike Scioscia was managing the Red Sox in 2010, Bill Hall would’ve had a shot at 20/20. As a utility player. He almost did it as a full time player for the Brewers in 2005 and probably could’ve if he played maybe ten more games. He has yet to make an ASG in his career.
Mike Cameron did it five times in his career, just missing three times and he made exactly one All Star Game in his career and he had the added benefit of being one of the best defensive outfielders of the last decade or two (Top ten in outfielder UZR since 1995, top three in center field).
20 home runs is pretty good power. 20 home runs combined with 20 steals is an arbitrary and coincidental figure that’s pretty effectively irrelevant.
Do I think it’s neat that Ellsbury had a 30/30 season? Yeah. Do I think it makes him an All Star? No. The 30+ home runs combined with excellent defense combined with a high BA/OBP slash while playing a historically non-offense oriented position makes him an All Star, the 30+ steals is just gravy.
20 home runs means a guy has got good, but not great, power. 20 steals means a guy has better than average, but not elite, baserunning skills. Combining the two doesn’t suddenly make a guy an All Star unless he’s putting up fantastic defense at a premium position and getting on base a ton.
Jackson’s fully capable of being a future All Star IF he can make adjustments to the MLB. He’s probably starter material, but he’s not a sure thing for that role due to reported reported defensive inadequacies and that awful K rate.
of course not, but all those players you listed gave a lot more than just 20/20..
probably the best comparison for jackson is bj upton, and ya, bj upton is pretty meh..
he’s not bad, but he’s certainly no justin.
To be fair, BJ Upton hasn’t put up 20 (outside of this year) since 2007 and Jackson projects to get on base much better than Jackson’s career .324 OBP.
agreed
To be fair, BJ Upton hasn’t put up 20 (outside of this year) since 2007 and Jackson projects to get on base much better than Jackson’s career .324 OBP.
So now we look at him as a finished product and not a near mlb ready player who was drafted in 2009 and already shows speed, power and the ability to draw a walk? Really?
And you look at the failures of Upton w/o acknowledging the tremendous potential he simply hasn’t filled yet? Even in an off season he was still a top 25 OF’er who had a 4.1 WAR despite just “ok” defense.
no ones treating him as a finished product, he could improve.
however there are some things that suggest that he may not transition to mlb pitching well, including a 30% k rate and a really high babip..
and who says bj upton hasn’t filled his potential yet? That’s a common misconsception that many people place on players who are “toolsy” . Realistically though, how many of these 4 or 5 tool guys actually pan out? Upton consistently wiffs 25% of the time, and his breakout, 2007 season his BABip was .393 and has since regressed back down to the low .300’s… The reality is that despite being super athletic, bj upton might just be what he is.
There’s absolutely NOTHING wrong with a 4.0 WAR CF, but that would be close to Jackson’s ceiling (unless he commands the strike zone better). Again not saying he’s a dud, but I agree with the ‘non-star’ tag that Klaw gave him.
He had a 30% K rate for one season. The other 2 are 20-25% K rate seasons.
Jackson doesn’t have the same potential as Upton though, Jackson pretty much projects as becoming what Upton has been (not what Upton could be).
So now we look at him as a finished product and not a near mlb ready player who was drafted in 2009 and already shows speed, power and the ability to draw a walk? Really?
And you look at the failures of Upton w/o acknowledging the tremendous potential he simply hasn’t filled yet? Even in an off season he was still a top 25 OF’er who had a 4.1 WAR despite just “ok” defense.
I don’t know about Law, but some scouting guys are projecting him as a LF. Those numbers from a left fielder aren’t really star caliber (though they aren’t bad).
Jackson will be a CF’er. The only talk about putting him in LF is as a replacement if the Cubs dump Soriano and decide to keep Byrd in CF for his last year. The only other reason he may move from CF is if Matt Szczur supplants him.
I don’t know how you can be so certain when there is disagreements about that even among professional scouts. BA has been pretty much “meh” on him as a center fielder saying he can “get the job done,” but that he’s “not a pure center fielder,” and Marc Hulet said “Defensively, he can handle center field but may end up in left field. He’s still improving his reads and routes, and his arm strength is just average” while BP quoted an American League scout as saying “He’s a strong, sturdy kid with a chance to be an above-average center fielder in the big leagues, with a fall-back of being a solid corner or fourth outfielder,” and a National League scout as saying “It looks like he’s going to be able to stay in an up-the-middle position on the defensive spectrum.”
So I don’t know if you know something that I don’t, but I’m not seeing the certainty that you are.
I see what you mean but let me clarify…what I mean is this: he’s a CF unless someone chases him out of there. He won’t play LF because he’s not good enough to play CF. Those reports aren’t all that different. He’s not going to be a defensive whiz out there, but even the most pessimistic reports say he can handle CF. And if he can handle CF, then there’s no reason to move him from there unless the Cubs get someone better to play there — and the only person in the Cubs system with a chance to do that is Matt Szczur.
That sounds like pretty much the same thing people were saying about Kalish a couple years ago; he could handle CF, but would be better suited for LF (RF in Kalish’s case) if you have someone better. So it still sounds non committal on whether he should be a center fielder or not.
That sounds like pretty much the same thing people were saying about Kalish a couple years ago; he could handle CF, but would be better suited for LF (RF in Kalish’s case) if you have someone better. So it still sounds non committal on whether he should be a center fielder or not.
I don’t know how you can be so certain when there is disagreements about that even among professional scouts. BA has been pretty much “meh” on him as a center fielder saying he can “get the job done,” but that he’s “not a pure center fielder,” and Marc Hulet said “Defensively, he can handle center field but may end up in left field. He’s still improving his reads and routes, and his arm strength is just average” while BP quoted an American League scout as saying “He’s a strong, sturdy kid with a chance to be an above-average center fielder in the big leagues, with a fall-back of being a solid corner or fourth outfielder,” and a National League scout as saying “It looks like he’s going to be able to stay in an up-the-middle position on the defensive spectrum.”
So I don’t know if you know something that I don’t, but I’m not seeing the certainty that you are.
Law didn’t even like Castro too much, he hates the Cubs… not as an excuse, but literally….
So he hates the Cardinals and the Cubs? Fans of midwestern baseball teams, Keith Law is a very smart baseball mind. If he says something about your team that you don’t like, maybe he’s wrong…or maybe you guys are just biased.
He was sure wrong about Hak-Ju Lee before the Garza trade (turns out he did like Castro, I wasn’t remembering right).
Or he is. Hak-Ju Lee jumped to his top 25 by being traded to the Rays. BEFORE the break-out season.
I made the same observation and he got all upset about it. I’ve never seen a prospect jump so high in the rankings simply by changing uniforms and not playing a single game.
“if Friedman wanted him, he must be good”
This is a rationale I’m perfectly willing to accept.
It could be just he has a closer path to MLB now.
Red Sox take the money. When you have a great scouting department like the Sox do you take the money and sign a high school kid that “is going to college”. Or a high reward/risk international signing.
Ugh, if it’s not Szczur, Jackson, or McNutt I’ll be ok with it.
Listed age? Keith knows something about that? Spill.
Or he’s just another uninformed opinion from a “professional” that hasn’t researched the circumstances in which Albert came to the states. It would have made no sense for him to lie about his age.
or he recognizes that there are people out there who doubt it is true and was allowing for that opinion as well.
Doubted what was true? That he moved to the states and attended high school? There are plenty of documents that prove that to be true. He did not move over here for baseball, he didn’t sign a contract to come straight over and play. All that he would of achieved by lying would have been to delay the amount of time until he got paid. Now does that sound anything like a good reason for someone to lie coming from a poor comunity trying for a better his life?
Doubt that his listed age is true. I don’t doubt it, and I don’t think Law doubts it, but there are people who do doubt it and I think he was recognizing that.
Giving up one prospect for a GM that will likely produce many more like him (or better than him) is completely fine in my books. As a Cubs fan, what else could I want?
A lower more reasonable price and a scenario where we can trade Byrd this off-season?
Jackson is a 20-20 player. I don’t know if that star. Thats definitely solid.
My bet is that the Tribe don’t want to pick up Grady’s option, but don’t want to let him walk for nothing, either, so they’ll try to trade him. Maybe Carmona as well.
Brett Jackson is Tyler Colvin part 2
The only similarity they have is both being Cubs…
You will see the similarities when he reaches the majors.He is nothing special and the Cubs should give him up to the Sox
Oh, the old “he sucks . . . please give him to us” trick.
Yeah except that Jackson has more speed and a MUCH, MUCH higher walk rate compared to what Colvin showed in the minors. Except for those two very big differences you are right…..they are like twins…by twins I mean like how Devito and Schwarzenegger were in the movie “Twins”.
Keith Law is the Michele Bachmann of baseball writers.
ouch, isn’t that selling Michele Bachmann a little short?
Not if you’ve listened to her speak.
I have, and it ain’t pretty. My comment was a little slap at KLaw more than an affirmation of Bachmann’s stage presence. I’m not trying to turn this into a political blog…
I had the benefit of seeing her in quote form first, so I’ve made a succesful effort to avoid ever actually hearing her speak.
I imagine it’s probably along the lines of the difference between seeing pictures of World War II and fighting in World War II. The pictures are often gruesome and unsettling, but it probably won’t give you PTSD.
Brett Jackson is Adam Dunn with half the power, but can play defense and run. That makes him an average major league starting OF but nothing to get excited about. If the Red Sox want him for Theo, by all means, give him up.
He hits for a pretty high average though, and is a lead-off hitter, not sure I like that comparison.
so in other words, he’s not adam dunn at all?
Brett Jackson is Adam Dunn…but nothing like…lol thats basically what you just said!
No, he’s similar to Dunn in that he’s a low contact hitter who draws a lot of walks. Nobody is projecting Jackson to be a .280 hitter at the majors. The one advantage he has over Dunn is he can play defense and isn’t a DH, but he doesn’t have consistent power. He also strikes out a ton, like Dunn.
Bottom line, Jackson might, MIGHT, develop into a solid starting outfielder. But you have to give up something to get something, as always, and a top GM is far more valuable than an average, at best, starting position player.
i agree with wanting epstein over jackson…just not the comparison of a guy with speed and plays defense with not as much power, to a guy whos slow cant play defense and has power…besides this year lol…but i agree that its a better deal for the cubs!
What basis do you have for that assumption? When an owner has already stressed the importance of building through the farm, he’s not going to allow his biggest piece to leave. Maybe if he weren’t a baseball fan.
If he weren’t more valuable than law and gammons think, why are there sox fans like you militantly pushing it? Obviously, he’s thought of as more than just “MIGHT, develop into a solid starting outfielder”
So then a better comparison would’ve been Jack Cust. Jack Cust = Adam Dunn with less power. All their other attributes are the same, so essentially at least Jackson would be more similar to Cust in the power department.
A low contact hitter? Despite the .292 career batting average, huh?
Exactly what is someone’s idea of a “solid mlb OF”? How many OF’er project to hit 20 hrs and have 20 SB while patrolling CF?
k rates close to 30%, BABip close to .375
I’m just looking at the other side of it, he can very well turn in to a star, but I see the reason for the skepticism.
You don’t want to get in to Alex Rios comparisons
We’re talking prospects here and I just find it interesting that ppl are harping on the one “true” negative (strikeouts) and not the other positives (speed, power, defense and ability to draw a walk). How many times has anyone harped on the fact that Sizemore struck out ove4 130 times the 4 seasons he posted a 5.0 WAR or better?
I’m not saying he’ll be the next Sizemore but I see a young player that has speed, can draw a walk and has recently discovered his power who’s playing at AAA during his age 22 season.
I don’t think we’re disagreeing on anything really.
James Loney is Albert Pujols with a third of the power.
lol loney isnt even a third of the player Pujols is…lol i wish he was!!
Heh well, he did have a third the HRs Pujols had…
LMAO wtf kind of comparison is that?
Dunn = power, can’t run, can’t play D
If Jackson = 1/2 power, run, play D…then he’s not Dunn at all!
that’s like saying Brett Gardner is like David Ortiz with a fraction of the power, but can play defense and run…good comparison..
To make an even better comparison, I’m like Albert Pujol with no power, no defense, and no speed. Did I mention I also can’t hit, nor would I ever walk? But nevertheless, I’m like Pujols…with those differences only.
Brett Jackson is more like frank Thomas, but with less power…and can play defense and run…
i can see that. he reminds me a lot more of gredd maddux though, only with everything different
gredd maddux everybody
lol i love that instead of editing your post you call yourself out on the typo
never heard of him
KLaw is terrible. I can’t believe he still has a job in baseball
Solid analysis.
Yeah, um, you’re dumb.
When is it fair to say that Wieters is a bust, or at least not “mauer with power” when he was in the minors, the projections were like 25+ home runs, .300 average, and more. Same thing for matusz and tillman.
When he doesn’t show signs of improvement with a 778 OPS with great defense at age 25.
Mauer’s second season in mlb had a 783 OPS
Wieters was unfairly over hyped… He’s still a good player and defensively he’s really coming in to his own
.262 with 22 homers in 500 at bats, sounds like a great catcher to me, how many everyday catchers are doing that?
He’s “Bench-lite”. And he’s still only 25.
I’m just really shocked at some of the posts I’m reading today, especially from ppl I respect. Since when is a 25 yo C who hits 22 hrs (doubled his 2011 total), with the highest UZR (+5) and who is second in WAR among C a bust?
Dude, what? I would sell my own grandmother to have a guy like Wieters on my roster.
Brett Jackson is like the decent looking girl in Wisconsin. The locals think she’s hot because they are surrounded by filth in comparison.
I lol’d
you can literally make that joke for every organization’s top prospect.
yeah, matt moore only looks awesome because tampa’s farm system has no good pitching in it
no, every organization is going to highly tout their top prospect because of the fact that they are the top prospect. who’s gonna say otherwise?
Ummmm scouts??
U think a team just names a top organizational prospect and everyone just trusts them??
you did not understand the joke you replied to
…and Bryce Harper only looks good because the rest of the Nats’ hitting prospects aren’t as good.
Truth
Not exactly an objective observation here. He’d look pretty good in Boston too. It’s not exactly a system teeming with prospects. When Anthony Ranaudo ranks as your top midseason prospect, that decent looking girl in Wisconsin looks pretty damn good. BA, a much better source for prospect info than Law, had the Cubs system ranked ahead of Bostons this year.
what boston does have is OF prospects stacked like firewood though. kalish, reddick, brentz, lin, hassan, hazelbaker
jackson would rate a bit more highly than kalish, but he definitely looks much better in the cubs system
If they’re all so great, why make the push for Jackson? Shouldn’t they pursue a position of greater need?
It’s not going to happen anyway. Ricketts has already turned over a prospect list to his baseball people (presumably compiled by Boston) to see which would be acceptable in a trade. If Jackson is so head and shoulders every other Cubs prospects list, why bother making a list? Why even give them the opportunity to pick someone else?
It’s going to wind up being a pretty decent prospect or two, but I don’t expect them to get any of the top tier of Cubs prospects.
your first sentence suggests that you didn’t read my comment, so i didn’t read the rest of yours
It’s too bad, you would have realized that the Red Sox have no shot at Jackson. Zero. But my guess is that you did read it and have no response. So it’s a nice cop out.
yea, and that’s what you and i were talking about right? guess you don’t read any of the comments you reply to
yah, but I think that they are better off trading ellsbury for pitching than going the fa route..
wait what were we talking about again?
THE CUBS ARE THE GREATEST YOU FOOL
And who exactly is saying that? Try to be a little consistent. And why bring up Jackson if it’s not about compensation? That’s what this thread is about, no? It’s all about Law’s assessment that Jackson is a non-star prospect and is fair compensation. I’m saying it isn’t.
You’re all caps statement is the one that’s completely off the track.
consistency? i was mocking you for failing to follow along (having to explain this to you is almost too funny)
I’m following the topic of the post and the comment, both of which are about Jackson and whether he is a “decent” prospect and therefore fair compensation. Follow?
On the other hand, NOBODY said that “the Cubs are the greatest”…got it now?
no, you have to get srser
brosef up top made a joke about the cubs farm and jackson’s place in it. and den you replied with stuffs about boston’s farm. and den i replied about BOS’s OF depth. and den you pretended i said “they’re all so good” despite my just having said jackson would rate highest
and den and den and den i called you out for not following along, you replied with a non sequitur about boston never getting jackson, lols about you not following along filled the hall
welcome aboard. no one here is out to get your favorite team. congrats on epstein, have a laugh
I love how you said it in a way he would understand. Seems to have worked.
no, you have to get srser
brosef up top made a joke about the cubs farm and jackson’s place in it. and den you replied with stuffs about boston’s farm. and den i replied about BOS’s OF depth. and den you pretended i said “they’re all so good” despite my just having said jackson would rate highest
and den and den and den i called you out for not following along, you replied with a non sequitur about boston never getting jackson, lols about you not following along filled the hall
welcome aboard. no one here is out to get your favorite team. congrats on epstein, have a laugh
That’s true but Marcum will have a very short leash in game 6 regardless of the game 5 outcome, it really looks like he’s burnt out.
um, not exactly. the astros are moving to the AL
Thanks for reminding me of the maturity level of some of the people who frequently comment on this site. If you do not see the relevance of discussing Brett Jackson as compensation, than you’re simply not half as bright as you seem to think you are.
I didnt realize buzz killington frequented mlbtr.
listen you guys, i have a blog ok? it’s on the internet
they have the internet on computers now?
Tiny boxes
listen you guys, i have a blog ok? it’s on the internet
I didnt realize buzz killington frequented mlbtr.
“If you do not see the relevance of discussing Brett Jackson as compensation, than you’re simply not half as bright as you seem to think you are.”
If you aren’t as smarts as me than shuts up.
fyi the word is then. try to get it right when you call someone dumb.
nice try, but the NBA season is indefinitely suspended
“If you do not see the relevance of discussing Brett Jackson as compensation, than you’re simply not half as bright as you seem to think you are.”
If you aren’t as smarts as me than shuts up.
fyi the word is then. try to get it right when you call someone dumb.
Thanks for reminding me of the maturity level of some of the people who frequently comment on this site. If you do not see the relevance of discussing Brett Jackson as compensation, than you’re simply not half as bright as you seem to think you are.
“jackson would rate a bit more highly than kalish, but he definitely looks much better in the cubs system”
Don’t understand this, or just purely from looking at statistics. This guy is not hitting for much even in the PCL. I take it his K rate is expected to drop, his power go up and he plays good defense?
Are you talking about Kalish or Jackson. If it’s Jackson, I’d say 1 HR every 21 PAs., .551 slugging percentage and an ISO of .254 is pretty good power. How much more do you want him to develop? Especially for a guy who’s calling card is his all around skill.
You clearly don’t understand that offensive numbers are heavily inflated by playing in the PCL. Jackson’s stats, relative to the rest of the league, aren’t as impressive as they seem. If you put his stats in context to the top performers in the PCL, his power production isn’t all that special and his batting average would have been lower in a neutral offensive environment. Jackson has the potential to be a solid everyday player, not a star.
You clearly don’t understand that offensive numbers are heavily inflated by playing in the PCL. Jackson’s stats, relative to the rest of the league, aren’t as impressive as they seem. If you put his stats in context to the top performers in the PCL, his power production isn’t all that special and his batting average would have been lower in a neutral offensive environment. Jackson has the potential to be a solid everyday player, not a star.
if for no other reason it’s because kalish missed so much time in 2011 and needs to prove he can get back on track after the injury
speaking of which – has westmoreland faced live pitching yet? think he was supposed to last month
Good question. I keep checking Sox prospects for info, but probably like you, they are keeping his health/progress kind of quiet. he was at the Fort as you know am sure working out.
Wouldn’t it truly be sweet the Sox get him back, as well as a one in a million miracle pre health issues abilities. Mike Greenwell with Power?
Yes he did, sooner than they anticipated even (middle of August), but I never heard how it went.
How do you figure BA is a better source for prospect info than Law? Did you just decide that because it makes your point easier to make? What about BP, where do they rank in there? Because they don’t agree with BA either.
Much broader spectrum of scouts at their disposal than Law has, or Goldstein for that matter. In fact, those two seem to mirror each other in a lot of things.
have to count out hulet of FG too. that’s 3 sources pushed aside for the one that validates your bias. getting harder and harder to justify it, but keep up the good fight!
That’s pretty funny that Hulet’s your trump card. And the 3 is greater than one argument is ridiculous.
At any rate, Law doesn’t have the Red Sox much higher than the Cubs anyway. And he has made it clear that no fan of the Cubs system.
Just remember when the deal is all said and done that you won’t have Brett Jackson.
you are the only person that is talking about that
Well…just me and the author of this post. Case in point,
“Law describes Brett Jackson (taken 31st overall by the Cubs in the 2009 amateur draft) as a “non-star prospect” and thinks he would be fair compensation to be sent to the Red Sox as compensation for Epstein.”
“everyone in a thread must be talking specifically about one part of the post it’s a part of. this is a rule of life and therefore i don’t need to read the posts i reply to, i’ll just say things”
for crying out sakes, guy, the dude made a joke. do you always get this bent when people don’t talk about the things you want to talk about?
I don’t always talk about things I want to talk about, but when I do I talk about them.
I don’t always talk about things I want to talk about, but when I do I talk about them.
Law is a scout, and neither of them personally scout every player that they write up; they rely on scouting connections, and probably a lot of the same ones.
Not to beat a dead horse here, but Jim Callis from BA reiterated (twice) on twitter today Law’s comment that Jackson is a “non-star prospect.”
Gonna challenge you on that-Ive seen some fine women in the stands at the Brewers games (but I just watched it on tv).
The sox want B. Jax just to flip him to the tigers with Conor Jackson for Porcello. That way the tiger will have A jax, B jax, and C jax and youkilious will get his old buddy Porcello
that alotta jax
I wonder what Damien Jackson is up to.
Oh, and the Tigers should re-sign Edwin Jackson.
So much Jax!
Pineda Seager and 1 low b scrub for Votto, get it down mariners
The Reds wouldn’t do that, besides, 5yrs of Pineda for 2 of Votto. No way.
Also we really don’t need a 3rd baseman we got Fransisco and Frazier, we need a left fielder, maybe Carp and Pineda for Votto and then you can start talking. Votto already has proved himself as NL MVP. Needs huge offering for Reds to think about moving him, although I think Alonso would be great at 1st base now.
Also we really don’t need a 3rd baseman we got Fransisco and Frazier, we need a left fielder, maybe Carp and Pineda for Votto and then you can start talking. Votto already has proved himself as NL MVP. Needs huge offering for Reds to think about moving him, although I think Alonso would be great at 1st base now.
Actually Seager is a 2nd baseman. He should profile as an above average one at that. Not that he will be like Brandon Phillips, but above average when compared to most second basemen. He is blocked in Seattle by Dustin Ackley. We were so desperate for a 3rd baseman that he was being used there at the end of last year. He also played a passable shortstop.
Actually Seager is a 2nd baseman. He should profile as an above average one at that. Not that he will be like Brandon Phillips, but above average when compared to most second basemen. He is blocked in Seattle by Dustin Ackley. We were so desperate for a 3rd baseman that he was being used there at the end of last year. He also played a passable shortstop.
SB may not be the end all, but Jackson is not limited to just that. Sort of my point.
He has power, speed, defense and can draw a walk. He has multiple talents and is playing AAA at a relatively young age. I see him as being more than a “non-star” prospect. Not saying he is w/o flaws but I like what I see.
In this case we can agree to disagree. Or we can agree that you’re talking out your behind. Whichever works for you. Joking…sort of.
Good night folks.
I don’t think people are overlooking the fact that he has power, speed, and defense, it’s just that he only has decent power, decent speed, and decent defense. 20 HRs is good-not great, 20 steals is good-not great, and people are wishy-washy about whether he’ll stick in center or not. If he does stick in center then yeah, he’ll definitely be above average for his position, but if he ends up in left those numbers start looking more “meh.”
i dont think the hold-up is about brett jackson or players. i think it is about who theo can bring with him. brett jackson will have the opportunity to be the next jerome walton for the cubs.