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A’s Unlikely To Trade Gio Gonzalez At Meetings

By Steve Adams | December 7, 2011 at 7:48pm CDT

The latest on Athletics lefty Gio Gonzalez, a 26-year-old who is under team control through 2015…

  • Talks between the Phillies and A's on Gonzalez were brief, tweets Joe Stiglich of the Bay Area News Group. Stiglich says the A's didn't like Domonic Brown enough as a centerpiece.
  • The Blue Jays are one of 12 teams in on Gonzalez, reports Susan Slusser (Twitter links).
  • Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News hears from multiple sources that the Rangers inquired on Gonzalez, but moved on after the A's asked for Martin Perez, Mike Olt, and Leury Garcia.
  • The D'Backs were kicking the tires on Gonzalez but don't expect it to go any further, a source tells Nick Piecoro.  Jon Paul Morosi would be shocked if Gonzalez is not traded by Opening Day.
  • The A's will not trade Gonzalez at the Winter Meetings, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post, as they're using their Dan Haren haul as parameters and no one has come close yet.  Four years ago, A's GM Billy Beane acquired Brett Anderson, Carlos Gonzalez, Chris Carter, Aaron Cunningham, Dana Eveland, and Greg Smith from the Diamondbacks for Haren and Connor Robertson.
  • The Phillies are definitely out on Gonzalez now, tweets Danny Knobler.  They would have dealt Kyle Kendrick or Joe Blanton had they acquired him.
  • The A's seek players with zero or little big league experience for Gonzalez, tweets Danny Knobler.
  • The Diamondbacks are pushing hard to acquire Gonzalez, tweets Bob Nightengale of USA Today.  Danny Knobler tweets that the Tigers inquired but did not like a price tag that included Jacob Turner, while the Phillies don't look like a match.  Ken Rosenthal says the Nationals, Tigers, Reds, D'Backs, Phillies, and Marlins are pursuing Gonzalez.
  • There is some buzz about A's reliever Craig Breslow being of interest to the Phillies as well, tweets Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle.
  • The Phillies and Athletics discussed a package deal involving Gonzalez and outfielder Domonic Brown, tweets Jim Bowden of MLB Network and ESPN.com.

Tim Dierkes and Luke Adams contributed to this post.

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  1. John Gilger

    14 years ago

    I hope Billy knows that Brown is going to be a bust.  Philly needs to send something more than that.  There is a reason Philly offered him up and its not you have to trade value to get value.  Philly hasn’t really done that in recent years.

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    • MB923

      14 years ago

      Philly is definitely going to have to send more of course. This is not a straight up trade.

      Reply
    • Phillies_Aces35

      14 years ago

      (Notable Phillies trades since 2007 off the top of my head)
      2007 – Gavin Floyd and Gio Gonzalez for Freddy Garcia
      2008 – Michael Bourn for Brad Lidge
      2008 – Adrian Cardensas, Josh Outman + for Joe Blanton
      2009 – Greg Golson for John Mayberry
      2009 – Jason Donald, Carlos Carrasco, and Lou Marson + for Cliff Lee
      2009 – Cliff Lee for Phillippe Aumont, JC Ramirez, and Tyson Gillies
      2010 – Kyle Drabek, Michael Taylor, and Travis D’Arnaud for Roy Halladay
      2010 – JA Happ, Anthony Gose, and Jonathan Villar for Roy Oswalt
      2011 – Jarred Cosart, Jonathan Singleton, Domingo Santana, + for Hunter Pence

      There’s only two trades the Phillies 100% won in that and that was the Greg Golson/John Mayberry swap and the original Cliff Lee trade.

      Reply
      • nm344

        14 years ago

        The Halladay trade is a trade I’d do 100 times out of a 100.

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        • Phillies_Aces35

          14 years ago

          I would too but it was a fair trade. There’s a difference between “fair” and “winning.”

          Both sides got what they wanted out of that deal.

          Reply
          • nm344

            14 years ago

            Only really bad trade so far is the Garcia trade. The rest I’m cool with.

            Reply
            • Phillies_Aces35

              14 years ago

              Still gave up a ton of value despite what John said.

              I’m fine with all of those trades too and wouldn’t take any of them back besides the 2nd Cliff Lee trade and the Freddy Garcia trade. They were all good trades for both sides. You don’t have to “Win” a trade for it to be good. I’m not really sure you understand what I’m saying, which is fine.

              Almost all of those trades benefited both parties.

              Reply
              • Chris

                14 years ago

                they didnt trade for cliff lee a second time. they signed him as a free agent last off season or did you forget that?

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                • Bender44

                  14 years ago

                  The 2nd trade being the trade of Cliff Lee TO Seattle .

                  Reply
                • Phillies_Aces35

                  14 years ago

                  They traded him to Seattle, did you forget that?

                  Reply
                  • Dylan

                    14 years ago

                    yea but thats how they brought in roy

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                    • I_Am_Roy_Halladay

                      14 years ago

                      But by resigning Lee a year later, they pretty much admitted that they never had to trade Lee to afford Roy in the first place

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                  • Dylan

                    14 years ago

                    yea but thats how they brought in roy

                    Reply
          • Guest 5824

            14 years ago

            IMO it seems like phi won just about all of them [or at least a draw], to be honest

            Reply
            • Phillies_Aces35

              14 years ago

              They gave up a ton of blue chip prospects or guys who developed into blue chip prospects.

              I’m not really seeing it. Even if they did “win” all of those trades, which I don’t really see, they gave up plenty of value. Anthony Gose, Jarred Cosart, Jonathan Singleton, and Travis D’Arnaud come to mind.

              I think a lot of them were draws or at least teams getting fair value back in any of those trades.

              Reply
              • nm344

                14 years ago

                Yeah – prospects. Lets wait to see if they produce in the bigs, plenty of question marks on all of them

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                • Phillies_Aces35

                  14 years ago

                  … whatever. I’m not even wasting my time with this anymore. They gave up quality talent. Whether or not they develop into anything is to be determined but they gave up fair value in almost all of those trades.

                  Prospects are prospects… they gave up some very good ones. All I’ve said. They gave up value.

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                • Phillies_Aces35

                  14 years ago

                  … whatever. I’m not even wasting my time with this anymore. They gave up quality talent. Whether or not they develop into anything is to be determined but they gave up fair value in almost all of those trades.

                  Prospects are prospects… they gave up some very good ones. All I’ve said. They gave up value.

                  Reply
              • RobA

                14 years ago

                Can’t write off Drabek yet either. Supposedly he’s in good shape, and is working really hard this offseason

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                • Phillies_Aces35

                  14 years ago

                  Absolutely, they’re just the guys that at the time, I were disappointed to see leave the system and I think have the highest ceilings.

                  I was surprised by how bad Drabek was this year, I was and continue to expect big things from him. I’ll add him to that group.

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                  • RobA

                    14 years ago

                    Yeah, me too. He was pretty good his few starts in 2010. His thing is all mental though. He’s got nasty stuff, just needs to learn how to control it, and control himself on the mound. I still have hope, he’s just a kid. And really this is probably the first adversity he’s ever faced in his baseball career. I’m sure his old man is going to help him with some of the mental aspects over the winter.

                    Reply
              • Guest 5819

                14 years ago

                Yeah a lot of them have turned out terrible.  Haap really comes to mind. do you think it was overhype or they just simply didn’t pan out?

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                • Phillies_Aces35

                  14 years ago

                  Which ones have turned out to be terrible? Happ wasn’t expected to be any more than a back of the rotation starter.

                  Drabek needs to work on his approach.

                  Carrasco had a good season before his Tommy John Surgery.

                  Some of its over hype but I think a lot of it is guys still developing. We won’t know until 10 years from now who won what trades but I think the Phillies gave up a ton of talent to acquire the players they did. Whether or not they won those trades, they gave up talent to acquire talent. There’s a ton of blue chip prospects in all of those deals, guys who have even gotten more hype since leaving the organization.

                  Reply
      • Chris

        14 years ago

        how do you figure they won the golson mayberry trade? golson has been decent with the yankees when he comes up when they add to the roster in september. he just dont come up and play as an everyday player because of whos already out there playing. if anything the trade was as even as anything. Mayberry hasnt done crap really for the phillies, and golson hasnt played but a total of two months in the majors. i remember in 2010 Golson threw out Carl Crawford at 3B after he fielded the ball 10 feet from the right field wall. perfect strong line drive throw straight to Arod at 3b. if anything you guys gave up a strong arm in the OF, for a tall lanky slow guy who has an average to decent arm. and btw you forgot the halladay trade. that was your guys best trade out of all of them. both times you guys got cliff lee you didnt win the series. maybe thats a hint, hes a world series jinx. Rangers couldnt win it with him, phillies couldnt the first time around and the second time around didnt even make it ou of the first round. typical philly teams this year.

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        • Phillies_Aces35

          14 years ago

          Mayberry hasn’t done crap?

          .273/.341/.513 for the Phillies.

          I’m not even going to waste my time replying to you until you do some research.

          Reply
      • FamousGrouse

        14 years ago

        Great post! I personally think the Phillies are a better team now than with all of those prospects. Without those trades they are a still a good team, but with them they are one of the best in baseball. I could live without the Garcia trade.
        Even Blanton played a part in the world series win so still a win on that trade.
        Prospect hugging is all well and good, but I think the phils made good choices here.

        Reply
        • Phillies_Aces35

          14 years ago

          I think they made a great trade I just wanted to point out the fact that they gave up talented pieces to get these MLB guys.

          Reply
      • steve 60

        14 years ago

        They all look like great deals to me.  You have a short memory if you don’t think the Blanton or Lidge trades were good…Blanton was unbeatable when he came here and Lidge was perfect.  I’ll trade everyone for a world series ring.  

        You can’t even debate trading for 2 of the top 3 in Cy Young voting, consistently at that.   

        Reply
        • Phillies_Aces35

          14 years ago

          Never once said they were bad deals. You clearly didn’t read what I wrote or are misinterpreting me, either way, you’re missing the point.

          I’m done with this, if people aren’t going to even read what I’ve written, I’m not going to reply to them.

          The original post I replied to said they gave no talent/value back. I just threw all those trades up there, including the trades they lost, to show that they in fact have given up a ton of MLB players.

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      • Dylan

        14 years ago

        out of all of these trades all of them have worked out besides # 1 if that trade never went through we would of had no doubt the best rotation in the history of baseball and give up d-brown i dont like him if u trade him and kendrick 4 gio i would love ruben even more kendrick sux at starting he can only long relieve give up blanton and his use contract and 5 years from now when the phils have won the 2012, 2013,2014,2015 ws bcause of roy, cole, and cliff, and vanimal that roy halladay trade will b the best trade to ever go through if drabek is  a ryan leaf

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        • Phillies_Aces35

          14 years ago

          I said they gave up talent. The original post I replied to said they never gave up value. They did. They gave up blue chip prospects. End of story.

          Never once said they didn’t work for the Phillies. In fact, quite the opposite. They, with the exception of two, were all great trades.

          Just because I don’t think the Phillies outright won them doesn’t mean I don’t think they were good trades. I don’t see why a trade can’t benefit both sides.

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      • Dylan

        14 years ago

        out of all of these trades all of them have worked out besides # 1 if that trade never went through we would of had no doubt the best rotation in the history of baseball and give up d-brown i dont like him if u trade him and kendrick 4 gio i would love ruben even more kendrick sux at starting he can only long relieve give up blanton and his use contract and 5 years from now when the phils have won the 2012, 2013,2014,2015 ws bcause of roy, cole, and cliff, and vanimal that roy halladay trade will b the best trade to ever go through if drabek is  a ryan leaf

        Reply
    • $3513744

      14 years ago

      You’re talking about the same team that traded Cliff Lee for a bunch of mediiocre prospects right?

      Reply
      • nm344

        14 years ago

        That trade remains TBD.  Aumont looks like a stud now and is going to be a setup guy or closer.  Gillies is finally healthy and could be a productive CF.  We’ll see.

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        • $3513744

          14 years ago

          exactly, we’ll see.  But the point is they gave up Cliff Lee in that deal and those weren’t exactly the M’s top prospects.  They may or may not have gotten hosed in that deal, but they did give up great value in Lee.  So his claim that Philly hasn’t given up value in trades is just non-sense.

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          • sec3mysofa

            14 years ago

            Technically, they gave up ONE YEAR of Cliff Lee for those guys. And Gillies may very well yet make a name.

            Oh, and by “win” a trade, you mean “improved the team,” not “hosed the other GM,” right?

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            • $3513744

              14 years ago

              Yeah, it was one year of arguably the best pitcher in the league.  Gillies may make a name for himself, but who knows.  The point was they gave up a significant value in Lee, which is exactly the point I was making.  I don’t see where I said anything about winning a trade.

              Reply
        • Phillies_Aces35

          14 years ago

          It was an awful trade they could have gotten Jesus Montero and Arodys Vizcaino from the Yankees and could have gotten a better package elsewhere.

          Reply
          • nm344

            14 years ago

            No they couldnt.  They just got beat by the Yankees in the WS where the star was Cliff Lee. How would the fans react?

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            • Phillies_Aces35

              14 years ago

              Who cares? It’s still a better package and that was the rumored package the Yankees offered. That’s a better package than what they got.

              My point: There were better deals out there. I doubt they trade him to the Yankees, they obviously didn’t. But there were better offers on the table, they rushed to get a deal done.

              I’m sure that World Series loss played a part but that doesn’t mean the Phillies didn’t still get a horrible package for Cliff Lee and there’s evidence there were better deals out there.

              Ruben blew that trade. It worked out in the end but it’s still a terrible trade.

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    • jasonk

      14 years ago

      And you know Brown’s going to be a bust because…you’re psychic?

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      • dinoes

        14 years ago

        because hes 25 and hasn’t done squat in the mlb?

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        • YanksFanSince78

          14 years ago

          Really? That’s what you’re going by? He won’t be 25 until Sep 2012 btw. AND HE’S ONLY HAD at 50 AB’S!!!!!!!!
          He still had respectable #’s for a rookie, especially like that 25/35 walk/ko rate. A .725 for a rookie power slugger is respectable.
          I seem to remember how many “untouchable” phrases I heard about Brown and Drabek. How soon you jump ship Dino.

          Reply
  2. Phillies_Aces35

    14 years ago

    Domonic Brown’s a great OBP guy, it’s just a matter of him regaining his confidence and his defensive tools clicking together. I’d give up another 2-3 of our Blue Chip prospects in addition to Brown to acquire him.

    I want Gio, just not at the expense of Cole Hamels.

    Reply
    • moondog45

      14 years ago

      Another 2-3 blue chip prospects? That’s crazy. Never happen

      Reply
      • Phillies_Aces35

        14 years ago

        Our blue chip prospects really aren’t that good other than Brown. Trevor May had a good year but there’s a ton of question marks with him and his success came with him repeating a level, Biddle has questions about his velocity, Sebastian Valle can’t take a walk, and I don’t know who else could be considered “blue chip.”

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    • melonis_rex

      14 years ago

      If the Phillies don’t keep Hamels after 2012, its not because they traded for Gio. 

      Reply
      • Phillies_Aces35

        14 years ago

        Not talking about that, I’m talking about if they dump him like they did for Cliff Lee.

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        • melonis_rex

          14 years ago

          agree— it would negate the point of trading for Gio to turn around and trade Hamels. 

          Reply
          • Andrew Reynolds

            14 years ago

            No it wouldn’t. Gio would be under relatively cheap team control for a few more years whereas we will have to shell out $20M +/year in the near future for Cole in a year. From a production standpoint, they “negate” to use your term but the move gives us significant financial flexibility.

            Reply
    • Louis Wills

      14 years ago

      would you at the expense of flipping Hamels to the Yankees?

      I would do Brown, Aumont, Colvin and Jiwan James for Breslow and Gonzalez
      then flip Hamels for Betances and Mason Williams seems like a heck of a haul in both deals.

      Reply
      • Chris

        14 years ago

        idk why, but i like that lol. Hamels has the playoff and world series experience. Gio would be new to it all and could fall apart in the post season. i wonder what brian cashmans twitter name is lol. but i think the phils would need to give up a better pitcher, someone like worely for gio.

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      • Phillies_Aces35

        14 years ago

        I’d prefer Montero or Banuelos back. I think there’s a good market out there for him I just don’t trust Ruben to get a good package back given the history of teams trading aces.

        I don’t think I can evaluate Hamels properly. He’s my favorite player and I’m obviously biased with him.

        I think the Yankees are a great fit, Boston’s a great fit and I’d love to see the Phillies get Middlebrooks back in a deal.

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    • Chris

      14 years ago

      can tell you right now thats who the A’s are going to want. prob even vance worely. and as the phils owner and gm are trying to turn the phils in to the yankees by trading or signing all of these old guys lol. here the yankees will give you aj burnett for mayberry straight up. lol

      Reply
      • John McFadin

        14 years ago

        You really should just stop typing.

        Reply
  3. Thomas W

    14 years ago

    Michael Taylor in LF, Dom Brown in RF playoffs in 2012 not a doubt in my mind

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  4. Tirameenlasbolas

    14 years ago

    The Phillies could really use another arm

    😐

    Reply
  5. robb278

    14 years ago

    lol its funny everytime the yanks get involved in trade talks of someone they like it always seems every team follows suit.

    Reply
    • Phillies_Aces35

      14 years ago

      Doubt they were the first team that liked Gio Gonzalez.

      Reply
      • Chris

        14 years ago

        they had been tryin to get Gio since last year. oh well, send betances nunez and another prospect to oakland for Cahill.

        Reply
    • John McFadin

      14 years ago

      Considering the Yankees weren’t even close to being the first team to talk about Gio, your entire post makes no sense.  But isn’t it just so funny?!?!?!?!?!?

      Reply
  6. john

    14 years ago

    Don’t like it for the A’s.  Brown has not been that great above the majors and the A’s have been stuck with many former great prospects that do nothing. 

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    • Phillies_Aces35

      14 years ago

      Looking beyond the numbers, the only real glaring weakness with Domonic Brown is his defense and base running. He turned his 2011 around in July with a .300 batting average and close to .400 obp (?) and was only sent to AAA because the Phillies acquired Hunter Pence. Offensively, he was showing signs of turning it around.

      His confidence got shattered when he got sent to AAA and sulked.

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      • john

        14 years ago

        Phillies fans should not get to excited because the tigers and yanks have upped their offers too.  Brown would be just part of a package.  So far A’s beat writers are saying that the Tigers are in the lead.

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        • Phillies_Aces35

          14 years ago

          I’m not excited and doubt anything would get done because I realize my team’s prospects aren’t good enough to get a deal done.

          It’s just something fun to think about.

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        • Chris

          14 years ago

          im surprised the tigers even has anyone left to trade lol.

          Reply
  7. Rangers4Life

    14 years ago

    Looks like the Phillies are doing with pitchers what the Rangers used to do with batters. Collect each and every one of them.

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  8. Marky

    14 years ago

    Horrible trade partner for the A’s, I don’t think Beane wants or needs Dom Brown, he’s too old.

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    • Rangers4Life

      14 years ago

      A guy born in 1987 is too old how?

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      • Marky

        14 years ago

        When Beane says he wants A and AA players for Gio. That usually means players under 21. Therefore a guy born in 1987 is too old for a team that isn’t competing anytime soon.

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        • sportsfan07

          14 years ago

          He never said that he wanted A or AA guys for Gio. He wants a package similar to the one he got for Haren and there was only 1 guy in that deal that was in the A or AA range which was Chris Carter.

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    • DeliciousCake

      14 years ago

      24 years old is “too old”? 

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      • Marky

        14 years ago

        Beane specifically said he is looking for under 21 players at A or AA.

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        • dinoes

          14 years ago

          Pete is right. The sad thing is most phillie fans on twitter think Brown is worth more than gio and they expect prospects in return… LOL. 

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          • SilentRob1028

            14 years ago

            this phillie fan doesnt like Brown he wouldnt take advice from Hall of Famer Schimbdt.

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        • jpkinney7

          14 years ago

          Well, the A’s would have Dom Brown from 2012 – 2017, and a stadium in San Jose should be built by 2015-2016.   Conceivably, you can sign Dominic Brown thru 2018 (with an option year).   The goal is to be World Series competitive Day1 in Silicon Valley.  

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          • dinoes

            14 years ago

            dom brown is 30 by then 

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    • melonis_rex

      14 years ago

      The A’s, with all their offense issues and with their entire 2011 outfield in free agency, don’t need (arguably) the third best outfield prospect in baseball (behind Harper and Trout if he’s still eligible)? 

      Obviously, there needs to be more in a Gio deal than Brown, but Brown’s a great centerpiece. He’s a better prospect than anyone that was in the first Haren trade. 

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      • Richard Janvrin

        14 years ago

        The trade would give Dominic Brown playing time, but I think trading Gio might be a HUGE risk.

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        • melonis_rex

          14 years ago

          I agree. It’s a huge risk, and there has to be other players in the deal besides Brown.

          He’s still the best outfield (or any position player, to boot) prospect the A’s can realistically get back in a trade of any of their players (since you’re not getting Bryce Harper and Brown/Trout are somewhat on the same level). 

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          • Marky

            14 years ago

            I think you are going too recent, Beane’s looking at 2010 & 2011 draftees here, not guys on prospect lists. 

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      • Richard Janvrin

        14 years ago

        The trade would give Dominic Brown playing time, but I think trading Gio might be a HUGE risk.

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      • Phillies_Aces35

        14 years ago

        He’s not eligible, lost his rookie status sometime last year since he had to sit on the MLB DL.

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      • Phillies_Aces35

        14 years ago

        He’s not eligible, lost his rookie status sometime last year since he had to sit on the MLB DL.

        Reply
      • Marky

        14 years ago

        You over-rate Domonic Brown greatly, he’s not worth being the centerpiece of a Gio deal and Phily doesn’t have anyone else the A’s need. I’d do McCarthy for Brown 1-1 though.

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      • sportsfan07

        14 years ago

        I don’t know if you really can compare Brown now to Gonzalez then. I would really give Gonzalez a bit of an edge because he was labelled a 5-tool guy whereas Brown does not have the speed that Gonzalez does or the arm.

        Reply
    • John McFadin

      14 years ago

      Sad thing is, by judging from your previous posts, this isn’t a troll post.  This guy is serious.

      Reply
      • Marky

        14 years ago

        Yes, I am serious because I go off what comes out of Beane’s mouth and he said that he isn’t looking for ready-now players for Gio, he’s looking for guys at A and AA. See what I’m doing is talking about things that we all know, rather than pull wishcasts out of the air.

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        • dinoes

          14 years ago

          Hopefully they don’t trade with the phillies. They don’t have any good young prospects.

          Reply
    • Dylan

      14 years ago

      how is he too old

      Reply
  9. Kevin Reitter

    14 years ago

    I don’t see how this helps the Phillies. If the goal is cost control, you’re basically getting a cost controlled replacement for Hamels, but giving up your cost controlled replacement for Pence in 2013.

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    • nm344

      14 years ago

      Pence is under control until 2014.

      Reply
  10. Richard Janvrin

    14 years ago

    If I’m the Phillies I’d trade Dominic Brown for Gio and sign Willingham. 

    Reply
    • JohnKruksWaistline

      14 years ago

      There’s no need to sign Willingham if they’re going to platoon Mayberry and Nix.

      I can’t stand how the Phillies handle prospects. Never let them learn in the Majors, and always give them a shot real late if they escape the gauntlet of being traded. I’d rather re-sign Oswalt and give Dom Brown a fair shake, which is something he hasn’t gotten yet.

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  11. RobA

    14 years ago

    Think Toronto is going to be in this mix. We’ve certainly got the farmsystem for it, and we’re looking for a #1-#2 starter. Plus, we’re not mentioned at all, which is certainly our GM’s style. If our name was linked to Gio all over the place, it would mean we definitely aren’t in on it.

    Reply
    • Phillies_Aces35

      14 years ago

      I thought they were the favorite for him going in. Romero/Morrow/Gonzalez is a great top of the rotation.

      Reply
      • Jon Stark

        14 years ago

        Ya, that would be pretty great, particularly if you fill the rotation out with Alvarez and McGowan. It would have some real question marks going into the season, but it would have the potential to be one of the top 1-5s in the AL.

        Reply
  12. Guest 5821

    14 years ago

    So I’m a bit confused; 

    Dominic Brown from the Phillies
    Josh Reddick from the Red Sox

    Jesus Montero, Manny Banuelos, Delin Betances from the Yankees. I think I got it. No wonder Cashman is giving everyone the finger left and right. 

    Reply
    • Guest 5820

      14 years ago

      ..and reading this is just what PMO even more. Teams throwing spare parts around, but the White Sox and A’s want the Yanks entire farm and why not, throw Cano in as well. Braves want Swisher, Nunez and Montero for Jair freaking Jurrjens. Dominic freaking Brown who’s been in prospect status for 4 years straight up for Gonzalez? Meh..Cashman should just get up and walk out of the meetings at this rate. I’d feel pretty damn insulted as well.

      Reply
      • john

        14 years ago

        Ok Century you need to get your facts correct.  Reddick was for Bailey and no time have the players the redsox offered has been posted.  the A’s did want middleton for Bailey and sox said no.  Second all the Yanks offered for Gio was 3 prospects and not one was Montero.  The A’s asked for the Yanks 3 top prospects including Montero.  The tigers has offered their top prospect too plus 3 more prospects.  The Phillies offered Brown plus other players for Gio not alone.  The cost for Gio is more than just montero so if you can’t compete just go home. 

        Reply
      • ZZZZZIPPP

        14 years ago

        WHY ARE YOU SO SAD. THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY. IS IT NOT POSSIBLE THAN YANKEES PROSPECTS ARE OVERHYPED

        Reply
        • MB923

          14 years ago

          If they were overhyped, teams wouldn’t be trading away their best players for them. There is obviously a reason why Montero and Betances are asked in every trade offer.

          Reply
        • YanksFanSince78

          14 years ago

          Ahhhhh….so all the experts are biased towards the Yanks but every other evaluation of YOUR teams prospects are certified legit? Wow.

          Reply
          • ZZZZZIPPP

            14 years ago

            WHAT–AHH–“SYSTEM ERROR”–WHAT PROSPECTZZZ–WHAT–NO–THAT IS NOT–YOU MADE AN INTERPRETATION—NO–IS WRONG–OH GOD

            Reply
      • not_brooks

        14 years ago

        What, exactly, is the problem with team asking for huge ransoms for young pitchers that they have no real reason to move?

        The Braves have two cost-controlled years left on Jurrjens, and there’s no reason to believe they won’t compete next year.

        The A’s have four cost-controlled years left on Gio, and he’s a 26-year-old left-handed ace in the making.

        So, first off, get your offers right, and second, stop complaining.

        When guys like C.J. Wilson are getting offers of around 4/60, teams with young, cost-controlled starters have every right to ask for the moon.

        Reply
        • YanksFanSince78

          14 years ago

          a) The Braves and A’s are actively shopping those guys for a reason. Doesn’t mean they HAVE to trade them but they are actively soliciting offers.

          b) Just because a team doesn’t want to fork over what they feel is too much doesn’t mean they or anyone, is in the wrong.

          Reply
    • commenter3346

      14 years ago

      Josh Reddick was about Bailey, not Gonzalez. That’s completely different.

      Reply
      • Guest 5817

        14 years ago

        Yeah, but you saw what the conversation quickly evolved into. 

        Reply
        • not_brooks

          14 years ago

          What? The A’s asking for more and the Red Sox saying “no”?

          The A’s have a young, talented closer who’s under team control for three more seasons.

          Why can’t they ask for what they want in return? It’s not like they’re forcing someone to overpay. They’re just not that motivated to move Bailey, so they’re looking for an overwhelming deal.

          Reply
  13. Joseph Golden

    14 years ago

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    Reply
  14. GasLampGuru

    14 years ago

    It seems to me the Phillies have much bigger needs to fill than another SP.  Their last two playoff runs have been marred by a stagnant offense.  They are too left-haded in their lineup, they swing and miss too much, and they get limited production out of their corner outfield spots and third base in the post season.  They really need a big, right-handed bat at 3B (Polanco is really a utility player at this point), and they need an upgrade in LF (whether you’re talking about replacing Ibanez or Brown).  Personally, if I were a Phillies fan I would be all about them signing Aramis Ramirez and committing to John Mayberry in LF.

    Reply
    • justin

      14 years ago

      Hunter Pence offers limited production?

      Reply
    • Phillies_Aces35

      14 years ago

      If you consider
      .324
      .394
      .560
      to be limited production, you might need to lower your expectations.

      At this point, I think they’re committing to John Mayberry Jr. Nothing really to lose if they go with him, there’s always outfielders available at the deadline and he’s a good defender.

      Reply
    • Phillies_Aces35

      14 years ago

      If you consider
      .324
      .394
      .560
      to be limited production, you might need to lower your expectations.

      At this point, I think they’re committing to John Mayberry Jr. Nothing really to lose if they go with him, there’s always outfielders available at the deadline and he’s a good defender.

      Reply
    • Silence

      14 years ago

      I think Amaro is scared of the possible Pujols, Reyes, Ramirez, Stanton combo that’s being assembled..

      But, I strongly agree, Aramis Ramirez would cure our 3B production woes and  give Mayberry time so he can be an all around good player out in left. I think why Dom is being packaged is that he was outplayed by Mayberry in every aspect of the game in their time in the majors. There is no loss in this as Dom Brown resembles too much of B.J Upton and that’s not a player we want on our team.

      Reply
  15. oaklandfan22

    14 years ago

    I’d be okay with this if the phillies added another solid prospect

    Reply
  16. Mellon

    14 years ago

    The only way this makes sense is if the Phils turn around and move Hamels to Yanks/Sox/Blue Jays, perhaps in a three-team deal.  Phils would send Brown to As, As would send Gio to Phils, and the third party would send prospects both ways in return for Hamels. 

    Reply
    • BeenThereDoneIt

      14 years ago

      THat was my thought exactly, although then I though about how much Hamels would cost, and it would make more sense for the Jays to just get Gio straight up. Thames, A.J Jimenez and Aaron Sanchez? High upside Catcher, a local boy in Thames with Speed and Power for the outfield and a very high upside pitcher.

      Reply
      • Jon Stark

        14 years ago

        not sure that is enough for either Hamels or Gio.

        Reply
  17. Guest 5818

    14 years ago

    Maybe every team should do what phi does..have good “prospects” and trade them away for a great player, and those prospects turn into garbage (i.e. J.A Haap).

    Reply
    • Phillies_Aces35

      14 years ago

      JA Happ was never a top prospect.

      Reply
    • JohnKruksWaistline

      14 years ago

      JA Happ wasn’t a prospect when the Oswalt deal happened. He was a mid 20s dude balding and pitching with an armory full of smoke and mirrors.

      Reply
      • BeenThereDoneIt

        14 years ago

        Is this the same JA Happ that all the Phils fans said would be too much to give up for  Roy Halladay? I remember calling him a joke back then and being torn a new one by Philly supporters.

        Reply
        • Phillies_Aces35

          14 years ago

          Just to add into it: JA Happ was also on the DL with a forearm strain.

          But yeah, it got ridiculious. I was a fan of what JA Happ did with us but I didn’t expect him to be more than a 4th starter. The same people thought Happ was a better pitcher than Hamels and should’ve started over him in the playoffs. Same people also think Vance Worley is going to develop into more than a Joe Blanton.

          Reply
  18. bigpat

    14 years ago

    Why the hell does Philly need another top of the rotation pitcher? It’s becoming a joke at this point.

    Also, I think it’s a given that Brown will be traded soon. Manuel seems to despise him and he’s been too inconsistent to nail down a starting job. Combine that with coach’s lack of patience, and it’s not going to work. 

    Reply
    • RobA

      14 years ago

      Yeah, I think at some point, the value added by continuosly adding top SP just isn’t worth it. For example, the difference between having two elite SP and one is massive. But the difference between having four elite SP and three is not nearly as huge, especially at the cost of getting such pitchers, and if it’s at the expense of your lineup.

      I mean, when you’re talking about a 3 game series (or, god forbid, you’re one of the two new wildcards) having four great starters is not alwways going to help if you don’t have some firepower in your lineup.

      You can have a kind of paradoxical situation where you’ve got a team built to dominate the regular season and win the World Series….but only if you can figure out a way to win the wildcard playoff, or manage to get out of the LDS.

      Reply
      • Phillies_Aces35

        14 years ago

        It’s a huge advantage in the regular season when you have a #4 starter like Cole Hamels or Gio Gonzalez matching up against a lesser #4 type.

        For the playoffs, it’s not an advantage especially since Halladay is willing to go on short rest, just for whatever reason they refuse to use him.

        Reply
    • Silence

      14 years ago

      We don’t, this is very odd of us to be dangling Dom Brown for… Gio Gonzales? Not to mention that Gio was already on the Phillies in their farm system and now they’re going to dish out our future star just to keep a window open. I guess this means Amaro has a plan for LF in the future that doesn’t involve Dom. I think is strictly due to the fact that the Marlins are going heavy on their lineup and that the Nats are getting good finally. The Phillies should be going after Ramirez still and pushing to get Rollins back, because their lineup would be upgraded from last season which was our demise.

      Reply
    • Marky

      14 years ago

      BECAUSE. YOU. CAN. NEVER. HAVE. ENOUGH. PITCHING.

      Also they don’t have Oswalt anymore, and Hamels is most likely gone after this year too, so they really do need another front line SP. 

      I just believe Dom Brown isn’t the answer for the A’s (they were burned on another Phily guy, Taylor, before) and they don’t have enough prospects to get it done, now put Bailey in the mix and make this a 3-teamer and you might be onto something…

      Reply
  19. dinoes

    14 years ago

    I hope they don’t trade with the phillies. Tigers and Yanks have much younger and better prospects than the phils. 

    Reply
  20. Mark Gleisner

    14 years ago

    Last 2 postseasons the Phils lost because of their horrible offense.  Why then would they deal for another SP.  Look at their lineup with brown in the system, let alone without him.  It’s garbage!!!!! 
     1st-mayberry/nix
    2nd utley
    ss (maybe) rollins
    3rd palonco
    of  pence/victorino/nix
    c ruiz

    Their SP is fine.  Signing lee and now paplebon was a big mistake because you neglected an aging offense.  Those 2 contracts have and will continue to hold the phils back from improving their lineup.
    All i casn say is have fun losing 3-1 games to the likes of lohse,westbrook,garcia….

    Reply
    • Sean Matrai

      14 years ago

      The Phillies starting pitching is “fine”. Its aging too don’t forget Halladay will be 33 aswell as Lee.Their offense is garbadge now. Mayberry is no Howard lets get that straight and Utley is noone to rely on due to his Knee Chromoliga (dont know how to spell that).Polanco will be traded and they have very little future.

      Reply
    • Phillies_Aces35

      14 years ago

      The problem with the Phillies offense isn’t really something you can buy or fix. Utley and Rollins were on base in almost every game against the Cardinals. The problem is after the 2nd inning in Game 2 the guys behind them got shut down.

      Reply
  21. mgsports

    14 years ago

    Nix isn’t going to play 1b.
    Gio to Reds,Frazier/Bailey/Hesiey to Phils,Alsono/Brown and so on to A’s?

    Reply
    • BluMule

      14 years ago

      Interesting, maybe to much going to phils, and they have paps why need bailey

      Reply
  22. DBacksFan1

    14 years ago

    Would love for the dbacks to pick up Gio!

    Reply
  23. TheWoodyD

    14 years ago

    Next update: “Yup, all teams interested in Gio Gonzalez.”

    Reply
  24. LUWahooNatFan

    14 years ago

    I would take Gio over any of the available arms right now.. Not sure what it would take to get him though, Nationals have a good enough farm to make a trade

    Reply
  25. BrandonDbacks

    14 years ago

    Dbacks definitely have a trade history with Oakland the past few years. Hopefully they find a way to get Gio without giving up too much. I’d love Kennedy-Hudson-Gonzalez at the top of the rotation.

    Reply
  26. slider32

    14 years ago

    All teams are interested in Gio, the problem is the price is way too high.

    Reply
    • johnsmith4

      14 years ago

      plus…A’s only want players making between $450k & $1mil dollars who are 5 to 6 years away from free agency.

      Reply
  27. JonBoyd

    14 years ago

    I’d imagine a price tag for AZ would be something like Parra, Holmberg, and another pitcher. It wouldn’t be too bad if that was close. I don’t really want to see one of the top four arms get traded thou (Bauer, Parker, Skaggs, Archie)

    Reply
    • Marky

      14 years ago

      Holy f….listen: Beane does not want 24 year olds, he wants 18-21 year olds. He has 24 year olds now, adding more will not help the team when they get the OK to move to San Jose, which is why Beane is even listening to offers on Gio & Bailey in the first place. What I don’t understand is why he isn’t more clear about this, he’s been quoted about it but no one is taking him seriously. No, he doesn’t want or need Dom Brown, or Parra….either offer up your teams 1st round pick from both 2010 and 2011, along with one of your teams top 2 prospects, or don’t bother.

      Reply
  28. Randy

    14 years ago

    danny knobler dose not know what he is talking about billy said he wants young players and outfilders for example if the tigers offer austin jackson he has mlb experience and is till young  it looks to me like they want mlb ready outfilders plus prospects 

    Reply
  29. bigpat

    14 years ago

    Joe Blanton, no offense but I forgot he even existed. Poor guy got buried behind the army of quality starters the Phillies have. 

    Reply
  30. John Gilger

    14 years ago

    Joe Blanton or Kyle Kendrick and Brown for Gio?  LOL … nothing like sending an injury waiting to happen in Blanton and a bust of a prospect for a significant piece.  Kendrick?  What the hell would Oakland want with him?

    Reply
    • Marky

      14 years ago

      You misread it, it says they would have traded Kendrick or Blanton in a separate deal had thy obtained Gio. 

      Reply
  31. Guest 5798

    14 years ago

    Phillies: “Forget the Yankees and Jesus Montero and Manny Banuelos. We’ve got the good stuff. We’ll give you Blanton and Kendrick and both are more expensive than Gio so this totally helps your situation” end quote. And I’m the one who’s nuts on here. Right. 

    Reply
    • Jon Stark

      14 years ago

      The post didn’t say they would trade Blanton and/or Kendrick for Gio, rather it said that if they landed Gio they would trade one of those players elsewhere.

      Reply
    • Mac

      14 years ago

      They would have traded one of those two HAD they acquired him. Not TO acquire him. There was speculation they were trying to get Gio and might then move Hamels. This was simply a follow up to that… they were never offering those two in a deal to get Gio. You shouldn’t even need this explained to you, just think for a second before you post.

      Reply
    • Phillies_Aces35

      14 years ago

      Separate deals.

      Reply
  32. Richard Janvrin

    14 years ago

    How about a Gio for Hanley trade? Gio likes Miami, and OAK needs a SS.

    Reply
    • Jon Stark

      14 years ago

      Almost no way Oakland makes that trade particularly given what they are trying to do.

      Reply
  33. BrandonDbacks

    14 years ago

    How about this trade scenario.. OAK gets: Jarrod Parker, Adam Eaton, and Patrick Corbin. AZ gets: Gio Gonzalez
    Makes sense for both teams, Parker could end up being better than Gio in his prime alone and has top of the rotation stuff, plus Corbin could be a
    very serviceable 3-4th starter and eaton is a solid OF prospect still developing. For the Dbacks, they’d still have Skaggs, Bauer, Bradley and Holmberg in tact, plus adding Gio would instantly make them the favorites to win their division again. (IMO)

    Reply
  34. Conebone69

    14 years ago

    Gio Gonzalez has been traded how many times now?

    Good player but I wouldn’t give up anything significant for him

    Reply
    • james hannon

      14 years ago

      Do you know the game of baseball? Gio is an ace, or a number 2 on most staffs and is cheap over the next four years. Good post though.

      Reply
      • Conebone69

        14 years ago

        Yeah..most bad staffs

        Oakland is trying to what any other smart GM would do. Try to sell high on a player after a solid year

        Reply
      • Conebone69

        14 years ago

        Yeah..most bad staffs

        Oakland is trying to what any other smart GM would do. Try to sell high on a player after a solid year

        Reply
    • Steven Chuob

      14 years ago

      Easy to say when you’re not in the GM position.

      Reply
      • Conebone69

        14 years ago

        Depends on how desperate you are to save your job

        Reply
  35. verlander

    14 years ago

    If the only move the Tigers make is Gerald Laird and Ramon Santiago, I am gonna go be a Twins fan!!!!

    /angry message board poster

    Reply
  36. Jay

    14 years ago

    How come I get this strange feeling that this is 1 of the 6 targeted pitchers the Walt Jocketty is going for.   I know they mention the Reds here.  Wonder what it would take to get this done.

    Reply
  37. Jay

    14 years ago

    Trade Idea…   Gonzalez and Bailey for  Grandal, Alonso, and Fransisco and an AA Pitcher

    Reply
    • Brian

      14 years ago

      I’d offer up Alonso, Grandal, and since Beane wants young prospects to compliment maybe a Juan Duran + Josh Smith + David Vidal for Gio and Bailey

      Reply
      • FamousGrouse

        14 years ago

        That might not be enough for Gonzalez but maybe that could get you Jonathan Neise or a starting point for Matt Garza.

        Reply
  38. BluMule

    14 years ago

    Surprised the Jays haven’t been mentioned are we looking for a #1-#2 Starter????

    Reply
    • Jon Stark

      14 years ago

      ask and you shall receive.

      Reply
      • Coollet

        14 years ago

        And AA shows himself, buckle in, here we go…

        Reply
        • Jon Stark

          14 years ago

          except I have somehow fallen for that thought that if we hear rumors about it then it won’t happen.

          Reply
          • RobA

            14 years ago

            Well, we here about them at SOME point. We heard about Rasmus a few hours before it waws official. Compare that with several days with most teams. But if we’re hearing about it, it means we’re probably in advanced talkks.

            Reply
      • BluMule

        14 years ago

        Damn, should’ve asked for some World Series to come our way.

        Was just weird that I didnt see it before haha

        Reply
  39. jondogg2010

    14 years ago

    I understand that Gio is under team control for a while at a decent rate, however teams need to be a Little more choosy with the details of a players availability if they are asking for the world for a player. Again, I know the contract is team friendly but acknowledging the want to trade a player should mean reasonable offers are strongly considered.

    Reply
  40. Dylan

    14 years ago

    ruben i hope you look at these posts bcause i say u DO NOT SIGN J-SLUMP BACK!!!!!!!!! u either trade for a ss or sign rafeal Furcal or stick with galvis and save j-slumps money 4 a lf next year

    Reply
    • Phillies_Aces35

      14 years ago

      Jimmy Rollins > Rafeal Furcal. I think Phillies fans make way too much out of one series he had against us.

      Reply
  41. Phillies_Aces35

    14 years ago

    Saw Rosenthal say the Phillies were thwarted but haven’t given up, have been persistent.

    Reply
  42. FamousGrouse

    14 years ago

    This has to be a bait and switch. You come wanting to talk about Gio Gonzalez and end up with Beane trying to sell you Brandon McCarthy and Guillermo Moscoso.

    Reply
  43. Speavis28

    14 years ago

    The Twins are the new AL team trying to get Gio

    Reply
    • First L

      14 years ago

      that would be an awesome land for Ryan – maybe a package centered around Hicks or Benson. The only two prospects that should be untouchable are Sano and Gibson.

      Reply
    • First L

      14 years ago

      that would be an awesome land for Ryan – maybe a package centered around Hicks or Benson. The only two prospects that should be untouchable are Sano and Gibson.

      Reply
      • vtadave

        14 years ago

        Gibson underwent TJ surgery 3 months ago, so I wouldn’t say he’s untouchable. Maybe untradeable.

        Reply
  44. manimsobored

    14 years ago

    “Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News hears from multiple sources that the Rangers inquired on Gonzalez, but moved on after the A’s asked for Martin Perez, Mike Olt, and Leury Garcia.”

    The Evan Grant article says that the Rangers inquired about Andrew Bailey and move on after the A’s asked for those players. They have since reopened discussion but the Rangers are now targeting Gio Gonzalez.

    Reply
  45. Coollet

    14 years ago

    AA! about time!

    Reply
  46. MLB Top 100 Commenter

    14 years ago

    If I am the As, I will take Domonic Brown, Jiwan James and Tyson Gillies, in return for Gio Gonzalez.  James and Gillies are both lesser prospects with potential huge upside due to their speed.  While Gillies was charged with possession, it was dropped and until then, his character was considered a plus. Pitching goes for a premium, hence the Phillies would have to trade three to get one.  

    Reply
    • Steven Chuob

      14 years ago

      And that is why you are not the A’s

      Reply
    • rundmc1981

      14 years ago

      “A’s not interested in Brown as a centerpiece”…exactly.

      Reply
  47. GriffeyandSizemore

    14 years ago

    The blue jays acquire Gio Gonzalez for Edwin Encarnacion, Jeff Mathis and a signed Jose Bautista auto bat.

    Reply
  48. Randy

    14 years ago

    if we trade with bluejays i hope colby rasmus is part of that deal becuse we need a cf bad and  he is young and cheap

    Reply
    • BluMule

      14 years ago

      After all that we’ve been hearing after that trade he will never leave here lol. Also they’ve said no player with MLB experience Gose is probably what you want, or Mastronianni (sp?).

      Reply
  49. oaklandfan22

    14 years ago

    gio bailey and cahill to royals for moustakas hosmer and lorenzo cain

    Reply
    • blurnandez

      14 years ago

      lol

      Reply
  50. FacelessGeneralManager

    14 years ago

    Dom. Brown sucks. The A’s know it. Phillies can’t stand to hear it.

    Reply
  51. Hermie13

    14 years ago

    The Indians GM Antonetti mentioned that he’s worked on a trade that no one would guess in 50 tries….Gio Gonzalez?

    Tribe did stun a lot of people by getting Ubaldo this summer.  One wouldn’t think they could do it again after dealing Pom and White…but if they were willing to include Chiz I think they could get their foot in the door.  Many liked Chiz as a prospect better than Pomeranz.  Tribe does still have a few lesser guys too, such as a Tony Wolters.  Personally I’d be willing to include Michael Brantley as well.

    Chiz has the power the A’s could like, doesn’t have a lot of ML experience, is young, and 3B seems very unsettled to me in Oakland (Sizemore was ok, but nothing special).

    Normally I’d say no way with the Indians, but after the Ubaldo trade, never say never.

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