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C.J. Wilson Holds Offers From Four Clubs

By Zach Links | December 4, 2011 at 11:25pm CDT

11:25pm: Mike DiGiovanna of the Los Angeles Times (via Twitter) is getting the sense that the Angels' offer to Wilson won't top the five-year, $85MM deal that Jered Weaver got.  Mark Buehrle and Hiroki Kuroda could be attractive alternatives for the Halos.

9:26pm: Wilson has offers from the Angels, Marlins, and two other clubs, sources tell Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com (via Twitter).

8:30pm: Marlins still have an offer out to Wilson, tweets Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com.

7:42pm: Pitcher C.J. Wilson is not a top target for the Nationals, tweets MLB.com's Bill Ladson.  One person told Ladson that the left-hander isn't really on the club's radar screen.

5:41pm: Wilson's suitors include the Nationals, Marlins, Rangers, Angels, and Red Sox as the meetings commence, sources tell Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (via Twitter).

10:53am: Others teams are viewing the Nationals as the early favorite to land C.J. Wilson, according to Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated (via Twitter).  The Nationals, along with the Marlins and Blue Jays, are seen as probable big spenders at the meetings.

Furthermore, Heyman tweets that he sees Wilson leaving Texas unless the left-hander is willing to cut his $120MM asking price in half as the club seems comfortable with filling out its rotation from within.  Yesterday, Heyman reported that the Rangers haven't been making any progress with Wilson.

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  1. Chuck Norris

    9 years ago

    Nooooooooooooooooo!!!

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  2. Tyler Karsch

    9 years ago

    Shocker.

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  3. baschkar

    9 years ago

    As long as he’s not an Angel.

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    • Rob P

      9 years ago

      The only way he goes to the Angels is if he takes a Socal discount. The Nats will severely overpay as usual for any top FA that will go there…

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      • xthetouristx

        9 years ago

        Yeah, you know, as usual.  That one time they did it.  So common, that one time occurrence.

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  4. Josh Gedert

    9 years ago

    The “Early Favorite” never prevails.

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    • Lunchbox45

      9 years ago

      I’m searching to see if early favorite doubles as ‘going to do something stupid’

      2010 headlines.. Nationals are going to do something stupid early favorites for Werth

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  5. alxn

    9 years ago

    It’s a shame that they’re going to waste their young talent by maxing out their payroll with every overpriced free agent they can find. 

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    • Fifty_Five

      9 years ago

      They wouldn’t go after these guys if they didn’t have the money to lock up the young guys too. Now that they finally have a young core, it’s a good time to fill some spots in with big names

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  6. Lunchbox45

    9 years ago

    I’d rather the Jays bring in Bedard and Harden then offer Wilson anything substantial.

    Also much rather spend an extra 50 mil to get Fielder than spending it on Wilson

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    • Shawnthemon

      9 years ago

      Heyman never said anything about the Jays signing Wilson, Thank god.

      I want them to sign Fielder, we have the money, my insanely high rogers bill shows that, and then trade Lind and a prospect to the Rays for Wade Davis. I think the rays and lind are a good fit, he’s pretty cheap, and a good hitter, just not as goood as Prince

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      • Lunchbox45

        9 years ago

        ..

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        • Shawnthemon

          9 years ago

          ??

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          • Lunchbox45

            9 years ago

            Davis had a 5.14 k/9 last year (4.67 FIP).  He’s not in any way an improvement over what the jays already have in house. 

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            • Shawnthemon

              9 years ago

              Davis is young still, obviously I would prefer Shields, but I am afraid that the price will be incredibly steep considering we are in the same division, but you get my point, trade Lind for pitching lol

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              • Lunchbox45

                9 years ago

                Davis is going to be 27 next year, he’s not that young. He could still turn out to be a solid mid rotation starter, but so can hutchinson, mcguire and molina, whom we already have in house…

                Lind for pitching works, but if its anyone substantially (ie Garza) the package is going to have to be sweetened with a top prospect.

                Or they can keep their prospects, sign Bedard, and then wait for an ace to become available.

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              • baseballz

                9 years ago

                I think Lind to Texas makes more sense. Moreland is hurt and Lind hits like the Boss everytime he goes to Arlington. And you don’t have to deal with that annoying interdivision trade.

                Lind to Texas for Tanner Sheppers, Texas pays the bill on Lind, id be happy with that. Tanner could close or start if he stays healthy. Obvously only if we get Fielder.

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        • Shawnthemon

          9 years ago

          ??

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  7. Steven D

    9 years ago

    If Wilson cuts his demand of $120 in half, than the Rangers will not be the only team interested in CJ. Any team that goes by the name of “Mystery Team” usually is the favorite. 

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    • KJ4realz

      9 years ago

      Phillies don’t need a SP this off-season.

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      • Lunchbox45

        9 years ago

        they didn’t last year either!

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        • KJ4realz

          9 years ago

          Guess I should’ve added a “;)”

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        • KJ4realz

          9 years ago

          Guess I should’ve added a “;)”

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  8. KJ4realz

    9 years ago

    They can’t waste talent when they still have quite a few holes to fill. Werth and Wilson are two positions that won’t really be blocking anyone anytime soon. 

    In saying that, if they sign Wilson it’ll most likely be as outlandish as the Werth deal, so in that, yeah, both signings would be ridiculous.

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  9. FacelessGeneralManager

    9 years ago

    NOOOOOOOO. HE ISN’T THE GUY WE SHOULD GET!!!!!! JUST WAIT. THIS WONT BE GOOD FOR THE NATS.

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  10. Dynasty22

    9 years ago

    I predicted him going there. Can’t say I’m shocked.

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  11. jjs91

    9 years ago

    I dont get why people are so against signing him. I hope the marlins get him and the nats get oswalt. 

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  12. hallwagner

    9 years ago

    i still say we should pursue buehrle…

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    • brett

      9 years ago

      I have a feeling he made some type of gesture to say that he wasn’t interested. YOu don’t go to someone’s house and then just stop pursuing him at all.

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  13. hallwagner

    9 years ago

    i still say we should pursue buehrle…

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  14. brett

    9 years ago

    Wilson is a good aquisition. However, I’ll have to check out the contract. As long as it is reasonable there is no reason to rue the deal. However, if we are talking Cliff Lee money then its a mistake

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  15. Natistician

    9 years ago

    Concern-trolling Nats-bashers — please realize that the Nationals 2010 payroll was 34% of the Phillies payroll, even with the addition of an underperforming Werth.  

    It was in fact $8M less than the lowly Oakland A’s.  Yet the Nationals owners are the wealthiest in baseball, save Toronto’s corporate owners.  They are 2x as wealthy as the Steinbrenner group.  They have simply been frugal up to now.  I don’t know if the Lerners will sign Wilson, though I’d be pleased if they did, but comments suggesting they will suddenly be maxed out are deeply mistaken.  Though they certainly will not, the Nationals could sign Fielder, Wilson, Cespedes, and Darvish and still have a payroll lower than Philadelphia’s.

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    • Lunchbox45

      9 years ago

       there is a MASSIVE difference between being wealthy from other endeavors and being wealthy because of owning a baseball team..

      They may have 2X as much money as the Steinbrenner’s but the Steinbrenner’s probably make 5X as much profit on baseball related activities..

      Just because you are rich doesn’t mean that you are willing to go in to the red in order to put a competitive team on the field.

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      • kräftig. entschieden

        9 years ago

        The Nats’ operating income has consistently been extremely high; they were second in baseball last year with 36.6 million, according to Forbes, which is $10 million more than the Yankees. They don’t take as much in as the Yankees, but they spend much less as well. They certainly have the ability to cut into that income by a lot, and will be able to raise that ceiling even more if they increase revenue, which an improving team in a strong midmarket city can do.
        (source for the forbes numbers, sort by operating income: http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/33/baseball-valuations-11_land.html)

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        • Lunchbox45

          9 years ago

          I’m not saying that the nats are destined for the rays status, I’m fully aware that they will be able to increase payroll when it makes sense to do so..

          I just cant believe how many nats fans want this to happen after they signed Werth to a 7 year deal and looks like a huge loss after year 1

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          • Fifty_Five

            9 years ago

            So you read what he’s saying, you’re just not going to listen to any of it? The point is they have cash to play around with and they’re going to keep spending.

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            • Lunchbox45

              9 years ago

              huh.. all i’m saying is that its not the nationals time to be signing big ticket players

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          • slider32

            9 years ago

            It’s not the fans that are writing these articles, these teams are going to make some moves they are up and coming teams. The A’s, Jays, and White Sox seem to be going the other way.

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            • vilifyingforce

              9 years ago

              Hahahahaha

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        • slider32

          9 years ago

          Owners like Lerner and Cuban aren’t afraid to spend their money.

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        • Roberto Rivera

          9 years ago

          Whgat’s more, the Nats’ television rights are up for re-negotiation and the terms of the deal that MLB struck with Peter Angelos, which was decried at the time, means that their rights fees will probably rise substantially.

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      • kräftig. entschieden

        9 years ago

        The Nats’ operating income has consistently been extremely high; they were second in baseball last year with 36.6 million, according to Forbes, which is $10 million more than the Yankees. They don’t take as much in as the Yankees, but they spend much less as well. They certainly have the ability to cut into that income by a lot, and will be able to raise that ceiling even more if they increase revenue, which an improving team in a strong midmarket city can do.
        (source for the forbes numbers, sort by operating income: http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/33/baseball-valuations-11_land.html)

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      • Natistician

        9 years ago

        And the Yankees are profitable because they invest in putting quality on the field using their financial advantage over small markets.  

        DC too is a large market, not close to NY but very large, and the Nationals will soon substantially increase payroll to put more quality on the field.  If some overpays are required, so be it.  As was true in other large markets, building a winner will provide return on investment.

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        • slider32

          9 years ago

          The Yanks sign free agents, because they are never drafting at the top. That makes it much harder to get top players if your not picking in the top ten. Trades and free agents are the way to go with the top big market teams. The Sox and Yanks usually have only 2 or 3 drafted players starting with 4 or 5 first rounders picked up through free agency or through trades. The Rays are just the opposite. The main thing is the Gm’s have to know how to build a team.

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      • Natistician

        9 years ago

        And the Yankees are profitable because they invest in putting quality on the field using their financial advantage over small markets.  

        DC too is a large market, not close to NY but very large, and the Nationals will soon substantially increase payroll to put more quality on the field.  If some overpays are required, so be it.  As was true in other large markets, building a winner will provide return on investment.

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      • slider32

        9 years ago

        Yes, but that still doesn’t mean that Lerner won’t give Wilson a big contract. They are trying to win, unlike some other teams with alot of money to spend. You can see that the Nats and Marlins are serious about improving their teams and increasing their budget, contrary to what people think.

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  16. CommissionerBart

    9 years ago

    Sure, Wilson would help the Nats. But I wouldn’t go 6 years or anything close to an average salary of $20 mil/year which seems to be what he is seeking. Maybe 4 years @ about $14 mil a year???

    The Nats owner has all the money in the world and seems willing to spend it…..BUT….everytime he overpays free agents, the players currently on the Nats such as Ryan Zimmerman will understandably jack up their own baseline for new contracts. And future free agent possibilities will point to contracts like Wilson and Werth, etc. and expect to get excessive contracts or go elsewhere.

    Paying more than someone is worth is a game that can’t be won by clubs.

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    • KJ4realz

      9 years ago

      But if you’re Ryan Zimmerman (who is not necessarily making peanuts; 12 mil this season and 14 mil next) wouldn’t you rather the team go out and get talent so you can enjoy the post-season? I’d have to think Zimmerman knows his team may have to overpay a bit to get players to come and play there. 

      There’s truth to what you’re saying but sometimes if you overpay for a couple and then produce a few winning seasons, I think players will want to come there because the Nats are a winner moreso than them wanting to come because they know the Nats will pony up the dough.

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    • KJ4realz

      9 years ago

      But if you’re Ryan Zimmerman (who is not necessarily making peanuts; 12 mil this season and 14 mil next) wouldn’t you rather the team go out and get talent so you can enjoy the post-season? I’d have to think Zimmerman knows his team may have to overpay a bit to get players to come and play there. 

      There’s truth to what you’re saying but sometimes if you overpay for a couple and then produce a few winning seasons, I think players will want to come there because the Nats are a winner moreso than them wanting to come because they know the Nats will pony up the dough.

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    • Rangers4Life

      9 years ago

      If Wilson can be had for 4y@14mil/y range, then virtually every team in the game will want to land him. So no, not gonna happen. That actually isn’t even a “reasonable” deal for a pitcher of his caliber.

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  17. I_Am_Roy_Halladay

    9 years ago

    It’s amazing to see the offseason’s top FA pitcher getting hated on so much on this blog. While I agree that $100MM is waaaay too much for the likes of CJ Wilson, i just find it interesting

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    • Fifty_Five

      9 years ago

      Once people realize someone is a little overrated they don’t want him anymore. Even though he’s still a fine pitcher, best on the market, they treat him like he’s bound to disappoint.

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    • Fifty_Five

      9 years ago

      Once people realize someone is a little overrated they don’t want him anymore. Even though he’s still a fine pitcher, best on the market, they treat him like he’s bound to disappoint.

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    • Richard Ellard

      9 years ago

      Because Cj is way overrated!!!!

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      • Rangers4Life

        9 years ago

        How is he overrated? He is regarded as a top 10 starter in the AL for the last two seasons and a top 5 for 2011. Which is the truth. No one is evaluating him as a top-of-the-league ace.

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        • Chewtoy123

          9 years ago

          But he’s seeking a top of the league paycheck.

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    • Richard Ellard

      9 years ago

      Because Cj is way overrated!!!!

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  18. Natistician

    9 years ago

    Why the dismay when the Nats overpay but not when the Yankees, Red Sox, White Sox regularly do so?

    The Nationals have been guilty of *one* overpay, which they acknowledged at the time was necessary because the team is new and has no history of winning.

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    • Lastings

      9 years ago

      The A-Rod, Crawford, and Dunn signings have been ridiculed ex post facto. You’re lucky as a Nat fan to see the writing on the wall, before the disaster actually ensues.

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    • KJ4realz

      9 years ago

      Yankees, Red Sox, and White Sox have experience and do experience success more often than the Nats. Teams like the Cubs, Dodgers, and others that overpay but fail to succeed usually get criticized. IF the Nats can overpay and still become competitive the chastising will become less frequent.

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    • KJ4realz

      9 years ago

      Yankees, Red Sox, and White Sox have experience and do experience success more often than the Nats. Teams like the Cubs, Dodgers, and others that overpay but fail to succeed usually get criticized. IF the Nats can overpay and still become competitive the chastising will become less frequent.

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  19. Natistician

    9 years ago

    Why the dismay when the Nats overpay but not when the Yankees, Red Sox, White Sox regularly do so?

    The Nationals have been guilty of *one* overpay, which they acknowledged at the time was necessary because the team is new and has no history of winning.

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  20. Adam R

    9 years ago

    Wilson is out of his mind if he thinks he’s getting $120 million

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  21. Adam R

    9 years ago

    Wilson is out of his mind if he thinks he’s getting $120 million

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  22. Lunchbox45

    9 years ago

    Pujols is probably the least talked about FA this offseason so far.

    This leads me to believe its all but done he’s going to be back in STL

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  23. Lunchbox45

    9 years ago

    Pujols is probably the least talked about FA this offseason so far.

    This leads me to believe its all but done he’s going to be back in STL

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  24. GoAwayNow

    9 years ago

    Thanks Nats!

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  25. GoAwayNow

    9 years ago

    Thanks Nats!

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  26. NatsTown

    9 years ago

    No thank you. I’ll take Buerhle for 3-4 years. Wilson has bust written all over him

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    • Encarnacion's Parrot

      9 years ago

      Maybe. Wilson’s 3.44 SIERA last season was pretty good. It’s more probable that Wilson will be a solid #2 pitcher for the next 3 years, then decline.

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      • NatsTown

        9 years ago

        what really concerns me is both his performance in the playoffs, and that he was a career bullpen guy who was thrown into the rotation. While successful, he went from 74 innings, to two straight 200 + seasons.

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        • Rangers4Life

          9 years ago

          I think you can start worrying about the postseason after you actually get there.

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          • wickedkevin

            9 years ago

            The Nats will make the playoffs next year….maybe.  Year after, probably.

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  27. hallwagner

    9 years ago

    the thing is wilson has the chance to be an excellent pitcher (20 wins, era under 3 and 200+k’s each year, but he also holds the possibility of being a complete bust. the latters possibility scares me mostly because he doesnt have as much of a track record as some of the other guys *cough cough buehrle

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  28. Rangers4Life

    9 years ago

    I think people are taking the “6 year, $120mil” statement made by CJ’s agent way too seriously. Agents always start out by asking big. I think 5 years/$90 mil with an option or two is about what CJ and his agent are actually seeking. While that still would be a bit of an overpay in my opinion, all FAs get overpaid these days and that wouldn’t really be all that much of an overpay either considering the ridiculous contracts that have been signed in the recent years.

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  29. smokinjays

    9 years ago

    “The Nationals, along with the Marlins and Blue Jays, are seen as probable big spenders at the meetings.”

    Really. This despite AA’s repeated emphasis on trades and internal development, reluctance to do big long contracts, preference to acquire big league talent at the trade deadline instead of over the winter, contempt for the winter meetings, and aversion to the free agent market. You’ve got to be kidding me!

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  30. slider32

    9 years ago

    It seems like the Nats and Marlins are trying to make deals, where the Jays are shocked at the price of the big free agents and are looking for bargains. Bargains come through trades and not free agents.

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    • NYPOTENCE

      9 years ago

      False statement

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    • Lunchbox45

      9 years ago

      there’s absolutely nothing wrong with you that completely changing yourself won’t fix.

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    • ice_hawk1002

      9 years ago

      have you ever heard of negotiating tactics? the marlins and nats saying they have lots of money they want to spend is like hanging a giant “willing to overpay” sign on your team. they’re practically asking some agent to take them to the cleaners.

      saying that you’re shocked at the prices of free agents is a good way to keep yourself out of the limelight, keep asking prices down and remove some of the agents leverage because they have no idea how much you’re willing to spend. 

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  31. Marktown

    9 years ago

    John Heyman way off?? Say it aint so!!

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  32. comebackkid814

    9 years ago

    Thank you. The Nats dodged a bullet there. I’d take Buehrle, Oswalt, or Jackson in the short term (3 yrs or less) over 5 or more years of Wilson. 

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  33. Andy Forrester

    9 years ago

    I’d rather have him stick with the Rangers, but I wouldn’t mind seeing him as a Halo.

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  34. Joe Wright

    9 years ago

    Stay away Angels STAY AWAY!! HE’s TOO SELF CENTERED!!

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    • Christopher Rydo

      9 years ago

      Unless the Angels offer is something in the range of 4/60, I’d say stay away… I don’t think Wilson’s worth more than that, and I certainly have a hard time with giving up a first round draft pick to TEXAS for him, to boot… 

      I want to see the Halos sign a pitcher, but there are less expensive alternatives available, that still would allow them enough flexibility to pursue a hitter, too…

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      • Joe Wright

        9 years ago

        The Angels should save the money and get Edwin Jackson for 4-5yrs  he’s young, cheap and has a lot of up-side.. I would also like to see them go after Wright or Fielder

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        • Christopher Rydo

          9 years ago

          I’d been wondering about Edwin Jackson myself… he hasn’t popped up in any rumors so far, and he’s certainly durable…he’s averaged over 200 IP/season, and should cost significantly less than Wilson… and is most likely even more of a sure thing, if you’re looking for a middle-of-the-rotation starter.  

          And I’d love to pull up this site one morning and see a headline that reads “Angels, Fielder close to deal” but… I just can’t believe it’ll happen… 

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          • lefty177

            9 years ago

            Did Dave Duncan ever fix Jackson’s high BB rate?

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  35. Thurman8erThurman8er

    9 years ago

    Weaver, Haren, Wilson, Santana.  That’s an amazing top four.  Shore up the bullpen (Madson?) and even a mediocre offense can win a lot of games.

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    • DiabloSalmon4Coach

      9 years ago

      Just hope this contract isn’t worth more than 15M =/ 

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    • Dylan

      9 years ago

      Yes, and then lose in the playoffs (i.e. The Phillies)

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    • PushDown

      9 years ago

      That would be ideal, but now that the Marlins and Nationals are in, I doubt the Angels get Wilson for a price that would leave them with any salary to pursue good bullpen help. I could see the Angels ending up with Jackson/maybe Kuroda, Ramirez, and K-Rod. Typing this, even I realized that’s pushing Arte Moreno’s cap, so Wilson would essentially mean the Angels don’t get significant upgrades in their other areas of weakness, bullpen and offense.

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    • xthetouristx

      9 years ago

      15-20 million to spend this offseason wouldn’t get the Angels both Madson and Wilson.

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  36. Madman2TX

    9 years ago

    As a Rangers fan, I’ll cheer for the Angels to get Wilson…because he won’t play up to his contract.

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