The White Sox and Red Sox are meeting to discuss Chicago starters John Danks and Gavin Floyd, tweets ESPNBoston's Gordon Edes. Yesterday White Sox GM Kenny Williams called the Sergio Santos trade "the start of a rebuilding," but said that he'd probably keep his pitching intact due to insufficient offers.
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To acquire a nice piece like Danks is going to cost quite a bit. It’s an unfortunate position to be in.
fleecing kenny williams must be the first chapter in the orientation manual for new gms
hes got more rings than billy beane…
and less gio gonzalezes, too. but swisher… oh.
championship > good player you will lose soon
how long before the free pass expires, then? haven’t won a playoff series in six years… with twice the payroll. will you be saying the same thing in another five years?
The White Sox hadn’t won in nearly 100 years. I’m sure the fans will tolerate a few not as competitive years from Kenny Williams in exchange for ending that drought. Especially when they can rub it into Cubs fans because that Chicago team still hasn’t won anything since your Great Grandpa was a kid.
Hey remember how the phillies also traded away Gio… Yeah people seem to forget that
huh? what young Gm has fleeced Kenny…Kenny got fleeced by Billy Beane a few years ago and he is a veteran
i don’t think age really has much to do with it. if you’re a gm and you’ve made a trade with KW recently, it’s probably worked out fairly well for you.
Rios, Danks and Cash for Kalish and two other prospects
Um, no.
that wont happen at all. they want a Ubaldo Jiminez type deal meaning basically clean out your prospects and send em all to chicago for a guy who could possibly leave after the season lol. this is one trade i would def not go after if i were any GM. hell with the Chisox and their over charging trades. i dont even like the redsox but i would not wish them to lose their top prospects for a guy who could possibly walk away lol.
Danks is a .500 pitcher over 5 years and I could see all his stats rising in Boston…. The price White Sox have said they want is way too much ….
You lost me at “Danks is a .500 pitcher.” Who cares?
While I could care less about his win-loss records, he has bad numbers against the AL East, he has bad numbers at Fenway & he has one more year on his contract. On top of that, Kenny Williams asked for Banuelos/Montero for one year of a #3 pitcher. No thank you.
hes a .500 pitcher mainly cause of the division he pitches in. its not that credible.
because of the division? AL Central is very weak and light hitting with Cleveland and KC. I think he will really struggle in AL East with NY and Toronto, and Baltimore
If he’s 500 because of the central then he’ll be 333 in the east
Somehow you neglect to mention his value over those 5 years.
I like the idea of Floyd in Boston on its face. Kind of surprised no one else inquired on him. NO idea what his price would look like..
“the start of a rebuilding,” – How are the rebuilding a year after signing Adam Dunn to a 4 yrs/$56M contract? Not good KW
KW is giving up on the White Sox fans. Kenny, good luck on getting people to come to the Cell if you plan on tearing apart the team “you built.” He chased away Ozzie and now he is going to chase away the fan-base. It’s going to be a long summer in Chicago.
not in the AL central it wont be long. sox could still win the division by going .500
Ozzie deserved to go….Ozzie was a blowhard last year and spent the last third of the season doing nothing but talking about himself.
no one who truly cares about the sox is upset ozzie is gone.
for the love of all that is good and holy, make something happen.
it would be nice to pick up one of theses guys but at what cost……
I think Quentin/Rios are far better fits for Boston than either of these guys. I don’t really know what Boston is going to offer. I went to spring training last year and was not the least bit impressed with most of their prospects.
lol
Because Spring Training is a better indicator on a prospects potential then a full minor league season, right?
Rios is not a fit for Boston. At all. There’s not even a chance that he’s a fit for Boston.
And a one year expensive rental of a bad defensive player with injury problems who’s been declining to play right field at Fenway? No thank you. At least JD Drew had defensive value.
Rios is not a fit for MLB
Lowrie/Ryan L/Felix D./Bard for Danks? Also Floyd to Reds with Frazier and Heisley Red Sox and Alonso/Fransico to to White Sox so then White Sox will have a LF and a 3B so then Morel can move back over to first when like a West Coast team aquires Konerko.
No. Ryan Lavarnway is not being traded for a #3 pitcher whose numbers would get worse when he pitched at Fenway.
U.S. Cellular is regarded as a better hitter’s park than Fenway, that’s why Danks’ FIP is so much lower on the road then at home.
Fenway is a hard to pitch in for a left handed pitcher.
And his numbers against the AL East are terrible anyway. His numbers would go up if he came there because he’d have to face the Yankees and such a lot more.
Are you on crack?? Bard alone for Danks is ridiculous
Lackey for Danks
Williams might be dumb enough to do it
and he would be dumb enough to take AJ Burnett for Floyd and Konerko lol
and you’re dumb enough to believe that.
Danks and Floyd are good pitchers, but they aren’t great pitchers, a “Ubaldo-like return” is a faraway dream for Kenny I think.
I agree. But I personally think they should hold off on trading Danks till July.
Everything being said and the prices being asked just raises my thoughts that Sox need to add prospects to the compensation owed by Chicago and get Garza.
I bet barely anything happens. Rebuilding doesn’t means trading a couple middle of the rotation players. It means trading your starts. This isn’t rebuilding.
I like Danks, but not for what he would cost because the White Sox are probably still asking way too much for a 3-4 starter.
I know White Sox fans tend to overvalue Danks, and you are right about the White Sox asking too much. But on a team with a good rotation he would be a good #3 and a bad team’s #2.
In an average rotation he’d be a number 3, but for the Red Sox he’d be a #4 (behind Lester, Beckett, and Buchholz). I really don’t see him as a number 2 type of guy (by which I mean warranting the COST of a number 2 guy). They shouldn’t be expecting the type of haul the A’s can get for Gonzalez.
This is silly
Gott love all the whitesox hate recently. The fact is danks had great numbers against the east last year and would be a very good addition to the bosox. Try play great defense and score runs two things the whitesox seem to never do when danks was on the mound.
Dunn 3/$44M remaining ($14M 2012)
Thornton 2/$12M or 3/$18M ($5.5M 2012)
Danks, $8M estimate
for
Lackey 4/$48M remaining ($16M 2012)
Dubront, $450k estimate
Reddick, $450k estimate
Cash
More than $10m off the books of the WhiteSox for next season, 2 serviceable players in return who are MLB ready. Dunn muddles around in RF for 70 games, 1B 10-15 games and Dh 10-15 games. Hopefully he bounces back into the .230s and. 25HR. Effectively just swapping bad contracts with Lackey.
did you forget that Lackey is done for pretty much the whole season?
Neither of these SP are of interest. Look deeper and sign/go after more bottom dwellers to fill out the rotation.
Unless the chisox are willing to take back A ball prospects, not named Bogaerts, Ranaudo, Brentz and of course PTBNL that would mean the top SP.s they took in last years draft, forget about these 2.
In roughly 5 years Danks has accumulated 19.2 bWAR in the AL in a hitter park. He had a down year last year, so what. His three previous bWAR were 4.8, 4.8 and 6.4. Some of you folks have a warped sense of a 3 or 4 starter lol.
Why the hell would the White Sox want John Lackey? Dunn is a better bet to rebound than Lackey and would offer more value.
either one could pitcj 175-200 innings , making it a good trade … but , for whom ???