When MLBTR's Tim Dierkes listed the most surprising trades of the offseason last week, NL West clubs showed up in four of the six. The West, which has seen all five teams earn playoff spots since 2006, is once again difficult to figure out heading into the spring, writes Tracy Ringolsby of FOX Sports. As the division's residents continue to make moves in hopes of contending, here are the latest NL West updates:
- The Disney family has partnered with Stanley Gold and will make a bid for the Dodgers, reports Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times. With a handful of deep-pocketed bidders already in contention for the franchise, Shaikin says current owner Frank McCourt believes the sale could exceed $1.6 billion.
- Within his ESPN.com Insider blog, Buster Olney says the competition is good news for Dodgers fans, since no one who commits that type of money to purchase the franchise will "let it rot with a modest payroll." Cole Hamels should also be excited, Olney adds, implying the Dodgers could be in position to make the southpaw a significant offer if he becomes a free agent next winter.
- The Rockies, who we know have talked to Brad Lidge this offseason, are still interested in the Denver-area native, according to Troy Renck of the Denver Post. However, due to Lidge's injuries last year, Colorado only has interest "at minimal risk." Presumbly a deal heavy on incentives would be the Rockies' preference.
Hope they sign Hamels before February, but Kershaw Hamels would be scary for all…
They wouldn’t be able to sign Hamels until after the 2012 season unless they trade for him first. But I’d be surprised if the Phillies did not re-sign him before it got to that.
I meant Phillies by “they” my bad on the wording I’m a Phillies fan so In used to referring to their office as they. Woops
Yeah, be won’t make it to free agency, and let’s face it, Agent Ned’s got half if the leagyes 5th starters on the roster already, we need guys who get on base and play defense.
Hamels is going to get a big payday one way or the other. The Dodgers really have nothing to do with it.
I think the implication is that with a new, deep-pocketed owner, the Dodgers would be in position to out-bid the field for Hamels, who is from Southern California and would probably love to get back to the left coast before his career is over.
And my implication is that there will be no shortage of bidders from Hamels. The Yankees and Phillies are both likely to be making offers as it is, so if the Dodgers significantly drive up Hamels’ price tag, I’ll be surprised.
I think Olney is trying to piggyback off the situation with C.J. Wilson regarding moving close to home, but I don’t see much of a basis for the speculation given that Hamels might be the best free agent on the market next winter.
In the past Hamels has said he loves Philadelphia because unlike LA, where fans show up in the 3rd and leave at the stretch (his words not mine), Phillies fans show up before the pitch and are loud until the last pitch. I seriously doubt with comments like that he wants to play for the Dodgers.
I think its funny that anyone would believe this is a reason to play somewhere and not a paycheck. he’ll go where ever he gets the most money.
Did Cliff Lee teach you that?
You do realize cliff took the offer that paid him the most per year right.
Mot point when Yankees offered him more money. Its well known Cliff didn’t take the best offer to play for a team he wanted to play for.
Obviously the money has to be right, but things like this can make a player demand a higher paycheck from one team than another. And nobody wants to play at a place where nobody cares.
“And nobody wants to play at a place where nobody cares.”
If by that place you mean Los Angeles, then you obviously weren’t aware of the season long boycott of Dodger fans this past season which led to the current sale of the team. “Nobody cares” is highly debatable.
Totally aware of it. However, I also know multiple Dodgers fans who were at Game 4 of the 2008 NLCS who left early to be traffic. That’s not caring. Call me when your team sells out 200+ consecutive home games.
Are we talking about team support or attendance numbers? I’ve already given you an example about the city caring for the team and up until last year, attendance at games have never been a concern. Stop acting like your couple of friends account for the entire stadium. I can find you 20 fans come opening day who will be leaving early from the Bank because of traffic.
If Amaro is smart, which he is, he’ll sign Hamels asap. Give him the money he deserves, but keep him. He’s a fan favorite and he’s young. Hamels and Pence with some help from Mayberry and others can keep the Phils young and fightin’.
Not sure why everyone keeps on bringing up Hamels and not Cain. Personally out of the two I think Cain is a better pitcher and more valuable.
i think they are both about the same to be honest, cain gets the spacious pac bell atat park , that inflates his home stats, but i dont see him leaving the giants after they fail to sign lincecum,and dump all their eggs in the cain basket, but people like to speculate that because phillies payroll is so high that they wont sign their best home grown pitcher ever , clueless
With the new luxury tax rules I have no real clue what the Phillies will do. But they have Blanton off the books next year and I seriously doubt they would have thrown all that money at Papelbon without believing they can afford Hamels next year. If Hamels leaves the Phillies during next offseason it’ll be his choice because unless the bidding goes absolutely crazy the Phillies will match any offer.
AT&T doesn’t really inflate Cain’s home stats. He pitches no worse on the road than any other pitcher. In fact, he has a better HR/FB on the road than the does at home.
Thanks for playing, though.
you are right all of those nl west stadiums are tiny , and have nothing to do you with stats
Left Handed Pitchers are always considered a bigger prize.
I still think Katy Perry is the best available free agent for 2012.
Yes !
time for her to stick with some domestic sports
Ummmmmm no. Cain plays in a pitchers park in a division filled with pitchers parks where his extreme flyball tendencies don’t hurt him. Look at the FIP’s, xFIPs, SIERAs, and K/BB ratios of the past four years and you’ll see that Hamels is a far superior pitcher.
I wouldn’t say far superior, but Hamels is certainly better.
Hamels is arguably superior, but “far” is a bit of an overstatement. They’re pretty close, and Cain is a year younger.
I think if the Phillies don’t win the series this year Hamels will leave for the west coast. He will get more in free agency than the Phils can give him.
Only from Yanks, no one on west coast can outbid Phillirs, maybe Angels.
No, the Angels will be stuck like this for a while before they spend money on another big name.
Simply not true. They have Santana, Hunter, and Abreu coming off their payroll after this year (around $40 million between those three). Even with the raises to Pujols and Wilson, if they somehow unload half off Wells contract, they are in perfect position to sign Hamels.
Weaver
Hamels
Haren
Wilson
would be a great 1-4, and I think they will atleast think about doing that.
Sick rotation!
The Angels are all in with the new TV money and signing Pujols. Hamels would be on their radar.
And what west coast team could possibly pay him? Angels have a pretty solid rotation and would be surprised if they had any more money to spend, Dodgers are, well, the Dodgers, and the Mariners too have a pretty set rotation and need offense. Giants? Probably your best bet, though if they lock up Cain and Lincecum, I don’t see it. Oakland is *ahem* rebuilding, and who the hell knows what the Padres are doing besides running in circles.
There’s just no fit over there. If he hits free agency, more likely than not he’ll end up in the AL East.
If the Giants sign Hamels after locking up Cain and Lincecum, they will have the best rotation ever known to mankind. And with all the money they have locked up in pitching, they will also have the worst starting lineup ever known to mankind as well.
Not going to happen.
They can’t even find the money to extend Cain and Lincecum. I think its more likely that the Phillies pick up Cain than Hamels going to SF. (I dont think its likely in any case, just making the point)
I think Halladay, Lee, Hamels, Oswalt was the best rotation ever known to man….Take off your orange and black tinted glasses and look at baseball with a little objectivity.
Call me crazy (I’m a Phillies fan) but Oswalt was passed his prime and sturggling with injuries. I know Halladay and Lee are better than Lincecum and Cain, But, Madison is much better that Oswalt at this point moving forward. I think it is much closer than you think.
Halladay > Lincecum
Lee > Cain
Hamels = Hamels (this is a tough one)
Oswalt < MadBum
To top it off, they would all be in their 20's at the same time on the Giants.
Good points. I forgot about Bumgarner, he’s tough and will only get better while, as you mentioned, the others will decline. Certainly is close, but I still would take the Phillies rotation over the Giants.
Let’s just remember that on paper teams don’t always win, look at the Sox and Phillies from the last 2 years. They were locks by all the experts.
Not as good as the Braves of the 90’s they still haven’t won anything together. It’s hard to believe that Halliday and Lee have never won a series.
The Angels plug in Hamels in Santana’s spot in the rotation, they have 40 million coming off the books in 13. Cole is a Cally guy like Wilson.
he’d probably give the Phils a bit of a discount given he loves playing here. Besides Madson’s an example of you can never tell how the market plays out.
Disney will buy the team, and then make a sequel: Dodgers In The Outfield.
“You gotta believe (in Juan Rivera)!”
It would take 12 Christopher Loyld angels to pick up that guy.
Too bad this deal for the new owners won’t be done until April or else the Dodgers would have Prince Fielder right now. Well the Dodgers I guess coud still have Prince Fielder if Fielder doesn’t mind getting paid 2 million this season, and 30 million the next 9 season. Which all seems possible in the world of Ned Colletti.
And Abreu
It’s a real shame that this sale didn’t happen sooner, as Prince would be the PERFECT piece for the Dodgers. I wonder if the market continues to fall for Prince, does he take a one year deal and retry things next year? If so, the Dodgers would be thrilled I imagine.
If anything he takes the biggest deal available this year with an opt out clause after season 2/3.
Actually I’m a little surprised he’s not also searching for a high paying one-year deal. It kinda makes sense. He’ll only be 28 so same basic arguments about his pros and cons. Add to that the new Dodgers owners might want to make a splash.
I agree with you but Boras would never let it happen. His best shot was taking Milwaukee’s arbitration offer and hitting the market next year in a really weak market with hope that the new Dodger owners want to make a splash.
Probably all true. Personally I think Boras is a good agent since he tries to get the best deal for his client… but really, Boras has been a joke this offseason.
Kershaw, hamels, Zach Lee, and Evoldi to beast
Lol…when Hamels pitches for the Dodgers, Cliff Lee will pitch for the Yankees.
Hamels will end up resigning with the Phillies or signing with the Yankees. The Dodgers need to lock up Ethier and Kershaw.
Kershaw yes, but I think they will let Ethier go. Alot will depend on whether Hamels gets to free agency, the Phillies will have to sign him before he reaches free agency. If they don’t, or if he wants more money then he will go to the west coast.
Why are the Rockies looking to spend on Lidge, a reliever, when they still have massive starting holes? I mean, he’d be a good addition for them… but getting a guy like Malholm for 4 slot would make more sense.
or the dodgers of neverland, or whatever the hell a steretypical disney movie town name is
It’s a bid. McCourt just gets the highest bud. No negotiations.
Well, Disney didn’t change the Angels’ name to Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim(that was the current ownership which Disney sold to), so no probably not.
That is true but the Angels over spent this offseason to get a better TV contact. They’ll be able to spend on par with the Texas Rangers because their TV contracts are similar (which is a great move on Moreno’s part considering the Angels have the 2’nd worst TV viewership in the league looming over their heads), but they won’t be able to maintain this Red Sox and Yankees level of spending because the Angels simply don’t generate anywhere near the amount of money the Sox and the Yanks make.
There are so many things wrong with this post
Not really. I think it goes Dodgers, A’s, Giants, Angels, Padres.
Yeah your right the dodgers aren’t even worth mentioning in the same sentence as the ANGELS.ANGELS are way to superior to the dodgers to mention that pathetic franchise.
Ignorant to some but…. The Truth Hurts!! GO HALOS!!!!!!!!
Fair enough, but I don’t think the Angels will go back up to a 150 million + payroll for a while, even when they dump all those contracts over the next couple of seasons. Reason being is people like Wells and Hunter will keep getting paid more and more until they are gone, which after that those CJ Wilson and Pujols contracts will really start kicking in.
Like I said, the Angels over spent this offseason so I don’t think their payroll reflects the actual franchise’s worth. Even if their payroll is covered by this years TV deal, that contract won’t appreciate in value over time compared to what other big market franchises make off their TV deals (especially those with their own networks.)
Hence why I brought up the Red Sox and the Yankees. While they were quite this off season, they won’t be next offseason, and it would be foolish to think the Angels can compete with these franchises in terms of spending. Which by the way Angels fans are not saying out loud that they can out spend the Yanks and the Sox, but they seem to be implying it.
Even if we are to believe the next Dodgers owner will be as wealthy as everyone is making them out to be, I doubt the Dodgers will be able to out bid the east coast teams on Hamles unless they’re planning on building thier own TV network.
Well then..i hear the dodgers need some more ignorant fans maybe you should give it a try.
Learn to write better than a third grader and maybe someone will take your posts seriously.
Yes,The leaching (LA) angels are superior now but once the Dodger’s get a new owner with the new astronomical TV contract the Dodger’s are going to be in serious business and eclipse once again our (oc) neighbors.
You say all those things, yet you (the Angels fan) are the one verbally attacking us, while the Dodgers fans are passively disagreeing.
Cool, you still feel inferior to a struggling franchise so you take shots at events that had nothing to do with the actual team itself in order to make yourself feel better, we get it.
The Angels have the second worse tv ratings in baseball. Dont forget their bandwagon fans who are life time Angel fans from 2002. The Dodgers are up there in historical importance as the Yankees and Red Sox while the Angels could be kicked out of baseball and no one would would care.
that is because angel fans don’t want there families to be threatend everytime they go to a ball game the angels stadium is a beautiful park to enjoy family time and watch a game without being concerned about their safety.
thank you for being done with me ,because your ignorance and stupidity was never wanted in the first place
There have been worst incidents at both Dodgers and Angels stadium than the Bryan Stow incident. The only reason that attack got so much attention was because the LA Times was so upset that their precious Dodgers were being ruined by their awful owner, so they campaigned this incident to every major media outlet as a way to undercut Frank McCourt. It worked.
I also see them extending Santana and trying to extend Haren at a discount, which the Angels have been pretty good at doing as of late.
Thanks for clearing up the timeline of that contract because I was seriously confused about that (it’s hard to get a straightfoward on that subject.)
Well it was hilarious, just like Borass and McCrook. Never heard those before.
My apologies to third graders everywhere.
I agree, Hamels might go to the Dodgers.
I think most likely that each group will submit a bid. From there it will be winnowed down to two or three finalist groups who will have an opportunity to “enhance” their bids by April 1st when the final winning ownership group will be chosen.
I think that means that each interested ownership group will submit an initial bid by January 23rd. After that the two or three groups that submit the best bids will have the opportunity to “enhance ” their bids. At that point the winning bid will be chosen.
Until the year 2000, LA was a Dodger town. ESPN had some lame report on how LA has always been a Laker town, that is all bull.Until Shaq and Kobe won, it was a Dodger town by far. You can count on 3 million plus fans almost every year. The Angels will always be to LA what the Mets are to New York, second fiddle even when there are a few years in between where they do well.
I would imagine if you are one of the finalist bidders your bid would be at or near the top of the bidding list. I work in the Exploration and Production side of the Oil and Gas industry, and when we are looking at an acquistion in a competitive bid like this it is not uncommon for the top 2 or 3 bidders to be able to “enhance” their bids after sending in an initial bid. Usually this would mean that the top bids are close enough that asking those bidders to sharpen their pencils, and put together as high a bid as they feel they can will get the seller the best deal possible. In as big a deal as this Dodger sale will be allong with the number of possible bidders I could see this being a very expensive and very competitive bidding.