Despite sitting in last place in the AL East and losing three starting pitchers to injury within the last week, the Blue Jays remain in "buy" mode according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (on Twitter). Toronto is scouting the Major Leagues heavily and are in obvious need of pitching.
Kyle Drabek (Tommy John surgery), Brandon Morrow (oblique), and Drew Hutchison (elbow) all hit the disabled list recently, forcing the Jays to turn to Jesse Chavez and Joel Carreno for spot starts. They've recently spoken to the Rockies about Jeremy Guthrie and reportedly had someone on hand to watch Wandy Rodriguez's start last night.
I’m getting tired of this cliche every year. Stop talking about it and do it!!
Last year the Blue Jays acquired Colby Rasmus and the year before that Yunel Escobar was brought in. Alex Anthopolus is one of the best GM’s in the game and know how to swing a deal. If they remain in buy mode, I’m sure he will bring in someone to help. The injuries that Toronto has had to go through in the rotation are severe, but it does show that you can never have too much starting pitching. Young arms like Hutchinson, Morrow especially, and Drebek are not a dime a dozen. The Jays will just have to wait it out until all are healthy again. Wandy Rodriguez would be a great get for Anthopolus and I can see him looking pretty neat in a Blue Jays uniform, forming a nice 1-2 lefty combination with Ricky Romero.
Livan can be had cheap…
Losing pitchers to the DL? What better way to get rotation security than Guthrie?!
he’s not looking for an ace in guthrie. he’s looking for a #3 for the price of a #5
I’m talking about how fragile Guthrie is
?? Guthrie has pitched 200+ innings each of the last three years and 190 the year before that.
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but he did it really fragiley
oh hmph, I’m thinking of Bedard for some reason
That makes more sense. I was thoroughly confused.
made me squint
Nevermind. I read your post wrong.
no point throwing away prospects for “innings eaters” like Guthrie. Makes absolutely no sense
It does if you’re not giving up anybody usefull.
it also hasn’t been suggested. if guthrie is acquired, it’ll be for something less than “prospects”
a winning team is not made by one huge move but a series of small, smart ones. i mean you guys have heard of “buy low, sell high” before right? sometimes i wonder
Sure it does, since they won’t cost you much and it saves your arms and saving the arms is kinda huge, whether that’s your veteran arms or young arms. Saving these arms will help out a lot in the long run as well.
If the price is asking for a legitimately good prospect, then obviously you just pass but if it’s some marginal prospect that won’t be much or might not even reach the major leagues? I’ll do that.
Guthrie salary and his performance doesn’t make him too desirable so he will pretty much bring back nothing.
Blue Jays have not arrived yet.
there’s too much of a gap between the onfield talent and the minor league talent. Especially with the arms.
jenkins and mcguire really set things back.
True, but I do like Marisnik and Gose, the latter of whom could contribute this year. Too bad their best arms are at the A-ball level – Syndergaard, Nolan, etc.
They have however arrived at a place called “needing pitching”.
do the Jay have any expendable high lvl prospects that Luhnow might bite at for Wandy. He will be in High demand at the trade deadline. The Yankees, Dodgers, Giants and Red Sox also had scouts watching Wandy pitch yesterday, and he pitched very well. Luhnow is a little smarter then Wade was.
Blue Jays have some guys in AA who probably won’t find a spot on the 40-man roster next year and face first time exposure to the Rule 5 draft.
“A little”?
I was being nice 🙂
Grab a pitcher. Half, or nearly half, of the Jays top 10 prospects are pitchers. I’m not following their minor leagues, so I have no idea which ones are dong well or imploding, but if Luhnow can grab one of their top 5 pitchers and some organization filler, the Astros need to do it. If Luhnow can’t (and I’m skepical – interesting chess match between Luhnow and AA), then he needs to move on to some NL club that will hand over a legit pitching prospect (not some BoR, inning-eater ceiling guy) from their system.
Wandy just doesn’t seem like an AA type of target. He’s due a good chunk money for a guy who probably doesn’t have much of a impact on the long term. That, and scouts are skeptical of him thriving in the AL.
I’m no expert, but I would guess an offer would probably be a couple of B-prospects with maybe a org guy thrown in. So, probably nobody in the top 5, but maybe one of them comes from the Top 20 area. This is all dependent on how much of Wandy’s contract Toronto has to eat, mind you.
I think the experiment with Chavez as a starter may work out in the long run. He was looking pretty good at AAA as a starter earlier this year. The last start was too small of a sample size to make a decision. Good luck Jess.
Hamels for Gose!
The Jays are not one mediocre pitcher away from contending. Time to sell anyone who is coming up on free agency (Encarnacion, various bullpen pieces) and really tank this season in order to get a strong first round pick next year. And let the auditions of Gose and d’Arnaud start asap.
if you are going to do that, you might as well trade bautista too.
Much better to try and re-sign E5.
He doesn’t play 3rd base anymore dude.
great thing about nicknames: once you got it, it sticks. Forever will Edwin be E5, sorry dude.
I have seen a lot of sell EE on the internet lately. how about extending him just in case this new swing is legit a la Bautista a few years back.
Hmmmm, the Phils have 3 pitchers on this team that could interest some teams: Cole Hamels, Cliff Lee, and Joe Blanton. Halladay isn’t going anywhere, and Worley isn’t either. Blanton really wouldn’t get much back for the Phils. Lee could get a substantial return, it just depends on how much salary you eat up. The same goes with Hamels, but his problem is knowing whether he will sign an extension or not.
“A more realistic trade would be Hamels for Gose, McGuire, and D’ Arnuad?”
So…basically the Halladay package back to Philly?
For 2 months of Hamels, we only wish it was that easy….
No team will trade for a high end impending free agent and give up anything like they did previously. Since you can’t get any compensation for a player traded mid year, the only way a team will get anything significant in trade is if an extension is negotiated as a prerequisite to the trade.
thats way more than the doc package.
Gose is a much better prospect now and darnaud is a much much better prospect
plus they are also both a lot closer
I’d give them Millwood and League for a toolsy teenaged player.
Don’t think Millwood would be the answer, but the Jays certainly have lots of toolsy teeangers.
Jake Westbrook for Kelly Johnson
I wonder if Ross Detwiler could be had for Snider? Nats have some pitching depth and good use some offense, seems like a good trading partner
no.
i think Sniders back up with the big club within the week. he’s been on a power tear lately, usually the first sign the wrist is okay
I say the Blue Jays will be the ones who key in on Wandy . How does Wandy and Carlos Lee ( Maybe the Astros eat 6 Mill or so ) for Daniel Norris , Aaron Sanchez , Noah Snydergaard , and Drew Hutchison sound ?
Sounds like the Blue Jays are getting ripped off.
Astros would have to eat literally all the money and stock the vending machines for the next 1000 years.
How about adding in Lawrie and D’Arnaud with what you suggest…I am sure the Jays front office would go for it.
Not to mention that Drew Hutchison might be better than Wandy on his own.
drugs are bad for you…
Hutchison’s trade value is nil right now. You don’t trade injured players
LOL please go dig a hole and put your head in it
The Blue Jays need an outfielder and Carlos Lee doesn’t sound like one of the sexier names out there , but he’s been there and he has the leadership to be able to guide a team .
“Outfielder” and “Carlos Lee” don’t belong together…
Matt GarzaGose,Syndergaard,Aaron Sanchez?
wont happen – drop gose and put in someone like sierra, drop sanchez for someone like mcguire, and maybe leave syndergaard in the equation.
inventing trade scenarios is fun. 1.5 years of Garza isn’t worth three big prospects. It’ll be one big prospect and two middling ones, if historical precedents mean anything.
LOL doubt I’d trade any of those 3 let alone the latter 2 for Garza.
Gose is pretty much untouchable unless an ace is coming back.
same with d’arnaud…
if you move them too quick, then when an ace does become available you blew your chance.
Gose, D’arnaud, if they go its for a bonafide ace… if we went a fringy starter JPA could bring it back.
Why would Gose be untouchable? His trade value is at an all time high, Rasmus is blocking him in Toronto and Marisnick is on the way. This is the perfect time to sell high on Gose, especially when his K-rate continues to be a problem.
Everyone should cool it with the pie in the sky trade situations. Any player approaching free agency is not going to bring back much in a trade, unless there is a contract extension associated with it. Under the new agreement, any player traded mid year in their final season of a contract is not eligible to be offered a qualifying offer. So unless they sign a contract extension, at the end of the season, no matter who they are, they walk with no compensation going to the club. This is going to greatly reduce the value of what will be offered in the way of prospects. The other thing to consider is clubs have an increased perception of the value of prospects now that the market has corrected itself with regards to journeymen. Clubs are no longer willing to pay millions for mediocrity when they can play a prospect at MLB minimum instead.
I expect the trade market will go along thee lines. Big name players who do get traded will go with an extension on their contracts. Middling players will likely go for a low to non-prospect as the originating club will attempt to get something for the player before free agency since they will not be willing to make a qualifying offer. The real blockbusters are going to involve players with controllable years. More like the Rasmus deal.
Blue Jays give JP Arencibia + low level pitching prospect
Angels give Ervin Santana
The Ervin Santana who currently owns a 5.16 ERA and is a free agent after the year? Amazing.