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Morosi On Greinke, Brewers, Kotsay

By Ben Nicholson-Smith | June 28, 2012 at 12:12pm CDT

It'll be a surprise if Zack Greinke is pitching for the Brewers after the July 31st trade deadline, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports writes. Here are some more details from Morosi, starting with the Brewers right-hander:

  • Greinke didn't offer much detail on his contract talks with the Brewers — “I don’t know anything about that. I’m not really talking about it" — but the Brewers are preparing to trade him if an extension isn't possible. 
  • Morosi is almost certain the Brewers will be sellers and notes that the Braves, Dodgers, Cardinals, Orioles, White Sox and Indians would like to upgrade their rotations. Morosi adds that the Rangers, Angels and Yankees had scouts at Greinke’s most recent start. Greinke, a free agent after the season, figures to obtain a qualifying from the Brewers this fall if he stays in Milwaukee. No other team can obtain draft pick compensation for Greinke if he leaves as a free agent this offseason.
  • Mark Kotsay will be one of the most sought-after bench bats in summer trade talks, Morosi writes (Twitter links). The Padres have outfield depth in Carlos Quentin, Chris Denorfia, Cameron Maybin, Jesus Guzman and Will Venable.
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  1. Paul Shailor

    13 years ago

    I still think the Reds should go hard after Greinke. They need a top of the line pitcher and if they are serious about winning their division and going deep into the playoffs I would rent him. 

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    • Scottage Cheese

      13 years ago

      Brewers would be asking for Billy Hamilton (SS), Corcino (SP), and Frazier (3B) or Stephenson (SP).  It would deplete your farm, but you already have your main players locked up in lengthy contracts at your key positions.

      Reply
      • TophersReds

        13 years ago

        HAHAHAHA. That’s not going to happen. It’s pretty pointless to argue this, since we aren’t going to trade for Greinke. 

        Oh yeah, what team in their right mind would trade 3 of their 5 top prospects or 2 plus Fraizer (who is our only 3B once Rolen is gone after this year) for a few months of a SP. Hamilton and Corcino are #1 and #2 also. Let me repeat that, all of that for 15-20 STARTS FOR THE ENTIRE FARM. No. Just no.

        Those prospects would be traded for somebody with years of control left, not 3 months. We sent less to the Pads for 4 years of Latos, so what makes you think you’ll get more for 3 months of Greinke in the division?

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        • AaronAngst

          13 years ago

          Hey, the price is steep to trade to a division rival. You’re lucky we’re not asking you to include Votto, and pick up most of the money on his ludicrously long contract.

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          • TophersReds

            13 years ago

            Votto is arguably the best hitter in the game. For my money on the long contracts, I’d take Votto over Fielder/Pujols every time. 

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            • Anti-NBA

              13 years ago

               And we’d take Braun’s contract over Votto’s anyday

              Reply
            • AaronAngst

              13 years ago

              Lots of guys are “arguably the best hitter in the game.” Chances are slim that he falls into that category in the last third of that deal.

              Reply
              • TophersReds

                13 years ago

                And you think Pujols or Fielder will be the same guys they are right now at the back end of their contracts? You have to pay to be able to get the best players during their best years. 

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                • AaronAngst

                  13 years ago

                  I don’t think that either. Never said I did… but they were free agents as well. Gotta expect to pay retail there.

                  Reply
                  • TophersReds

                    13 years ago

                    Just like I never said that Votto will be one of the best in the back end of the deal. Right now though, I’ll take Votto. His is OPS is ridiculous.

                    Reply
    • TophersReds

      13 years ago

      Cueto? We have a top of the line pitcher. 

      Reply
      • Timothy

        13 years ago

        Cueto is not at the same level as Greinke.

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        • Shane Maples

          13 years ago

          Lol, Cueto has out pitched Grienke by far since 2010. Not to mention he pitches in a very HR prone ballpark.

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          • Scottage Cheese

            13 years ago

            Are you high, sir?  Greinke has pitched far more innings than Cueto.  Zack has also struck out more than 480 batters since 2010 (including this season) compared to….300 or so for Cueto. Sure, Cueto’s ERA has been lower, but he hasn’t even come close to the ammount that Zack has pitched since your referenced 2010 season.  Ha, even more funny is that Greinke has walked less batters while pitching way more innings than Cueto. 

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            • Shane Maples

              13 years ago

              Who cares about strikeouts when Cueto is still getting batters out? He pitches in the toughest park in the majors and has only given up 2 homeruns all season there. If Grienke was so valuable teams like the Yankees wouldn’t favor Garza over him. Cueto has also put up a higher WAR since last season.

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              • Scottage Cheese

                13 years ago

                False, you’re thinking of the new Yankee Stadium as the HR Happy Park of MLB.  GA Ball Park certainly fits that category, but so does Miller Park with the roof.  Cueto is not even close to Greinke.  Let me know when Cueto can actually pitch a full season OR win a Cy Young with the worst team in baseball a few years ago. 

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                • Shane Maples

                  13 years ago

                  ZG has only pitched 4 full seasons in his 9 year career compared to Cueto pitching 3 out of 4 through last season and on his way to make it 4 out of 5. I guarantee you Cueto will continue to be the better pitcher going forward. His injury in 2011 by the way was also not from attempting to play another sport.

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              • jt24

                13 years ago

                yankees favor garza because A) he isn’t a true #1 starter which they don’t need so he wont be as expensive as Greinke (although with cc out it couldn’t hurt) B) Garza has shown he can pitch pretty well in the AL East, and C) garza doesn’t come with Greinke’s risk of social anxiety.  IN terms of value, Garza will cost  and pitch like a #2 starter, while Grienke will cost through the nose, but still pitch at a high level.

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            • TophersReds

              13 years ago

              It’s not all about the strikouts, son. A strikeout counts as equally as a groundball or flyball out. Like you said, Cueto’s ERA has been lower which is what matters in the end. ERA dictates what actually happens, not FIP or xFIP.

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              • Shane Maples

                13 years ago

                Very well said, my friend. No matter how good Cueto has been and continues to be he still isn’t taken seriously.

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              • jwsox

                13 years ago

                Thank you!!! I had this discussion yesterday with a buddy about Adam Dunn and his strike outs. A strike out equals a fly/line/ground out. It’s just how players make thief outs not extra special about a stikeout. It’s a good stat for pitchers to stat sheet stuff that’s about it

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              • AaronAngst

                13 years ago

                I don’t particularly agree with the guy you’re responding to, but a strikeout is not “equal to a groundball or flyball.” You aren’t putting the ball in play, and you don’t have a chance of advancing baserunners. A strikeout with no one on base is an out. A strikeout with guys on base is completely unproductive.

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                • TophersReds

                  13 years ago

                  Yes, but in turn a ground ball could turn into a double play unlike a strike out. There’s pros and cons of every kind of out. Sometimes you wish the out would have been put in play, sometimes you don’t. An out is an out in the end, though. 

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                  • AaronAngst

                    13 years ago

                    The only “pro” of a strikeout is that you’re eliminating the possibility of a double play with runners in position to be doubled up. That’s not much of a “pro.” Simply put, a strikeout is never productive.

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                    • sethss

                      13 years ago

                      all this arguing about the Red pitchers and not needing Zach is hilarious when you consider how everyone is ignoring that it’s all moot as long as Dusty “Arm Killer” Baker is managing

                      that dude would’ve destroyed the arm of Cy Young himself

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    • Robert Yttri

      13 years ago

      I still think the Brewers should keep Greinke.  It takes pitching to win.  If the Brewers trade Greinke their rotation sucks.  As a Brewer fan I want a long term commitment by management to win.  Signing him does that.  Trading him waves the white flag for the next 5 years.  The Brewers have allowed too many great players to walk away in recent years.  Time to change that ugly trend.

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  2. Ben Cerutti

    13 years ago

    The Reds already gave up 3 former first round picks and Edinson Volquez for a top of the line pitcher in Latos. What else do they have to give for Greinke?

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  3. Michael Brown

    13 years ago

    Realistically, what would we be talking about here for Grienke? With the new CBA in place, we aren’t going to be seeing the same types of deals in the past.

    In the past the Braves (or any team) would be okay with trading a little more, knowing that he would be testing the market in the offseason and by offering arb they are going to get the pick(s). Now are teams going to be okay with giving up multiple prospects for a 2-3 month rental?

    I have so much faith in Minor becoming a #2 for the right team but honestly with the insurance the Braves have with Gilmartin I would be okay with a deal to get Grienke for Minor. I would be reluctant to give up much more than that unless Grienke agrees to an extension before the deal.

    I know that some will say why do we need to sign Grienke, but we have to look at 2013 as being down one more starter in Jurrjens and 2014 being the last year for Huddy.

    Potential 2012 staff down the stretch
    Grienke
    Hanson
    Hudson
    Jurrjens
    Delgado

    2013
    Grienke
    Hanson
    Hudson
    Teheran
    Beachy(at some point)/Delgado

    2014
    Grienke
    Hanson
    Teheran
    Beachy
    Gilmartin/Delgado

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    • Scottage Cheese

      13 years ago

      Easy answer to your question, yes.  Teams will be giving up more to land a rental (especially an ace) than before in the new format of having 2 WC teams.  There are more team jockeying for a solid hurler than ever before because more teams feel as though they have a legit shot of making it to the post-season.  It will cost 3 top 10 prospects, 2 of which will be top 5–possibly even all 3 in the top 5.

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      • Scottage Cheese

        13 years ago

        Furthermore, the idea of “oh, the Brewers will unload him at a cheaper asking price because they won’t get a draft pick in return” is complete rubbish.  Teams need SP’s more than ever, look no further than the Braves.

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        • erm016

          13 years ago

          I really don’t think we do. I mean, aside from Minor, we’re fine. Delgado is spotty, but he’s a rookie. I can look past it. Lineup needs to know that they need to score some runs for him at times. We can’t win em all, but I like his future. More so than Minor. But with both of them, when it rains it pours. 

          I think JJ will be ok IF he doesn’t think about his knee too much and just goes out and pitches. He was lights out last year up to the ASG – then got hurt. If he stays injury free, and pitches like he did last week, we’re good. 

          Obviously we’d like to have Beachy – but I wouldn’t say we’re hurting for SP. Plus, we’ve got a limited budget – so not like we’re going to be able to take on much this year anyways.

          Reply
      • Dan

        13 years ago

        Thats a silly answer.  He was obviously referring to the lack of compensation picks for the acquiring team under the new CBA.  With that said, 3 top 5 prospects is absurd and no team would do that even for Greinke.  Realistically, it would take a package better than the draft picks the Brewers would receive.  Maybe something like a team’s ~4-6 prospect plus a couple less established high ceiling prospects. 

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        • Scottage Cheese

          13 years ago

          w/ Cozart playing well, Brandon Phillips, Voto, and Bruce all locked up….the Reds could and would deal 3 top 5 prospects (position players).

          Reply
          • Dan

            13 years ago

            that is laughable

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        • AaronAngst

          13 years ago

          With the compensation picks, Milwaukee could easily end up landing two top five farm system guys. Just look at last year’s draft: Jungmann and Bradley – granted, the picks may not be as high, but team’s first and comp. round guys almost always seem to be top five guys on next year’s prospect list.

          Reply
      • erm016

        13 years ago

        Greinke is not a “3 top 2, 2 in the top 5” quality starter. Sorry, he’s just not.

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        • Anti-NBA

          13 years ago

          Greinke is the top guy out there.  There are at least 5 teams that would trade for him and try to win a world series. 

          Reply
        • Scottage Cheese

          13 years ago

          Really?  Greinke, who won a Cy Young in the AL and already has 9 wins this season (yes, I know they’re just wins, but still) isn’t going to be the most sought-after player before July’s trade deadline?  Especially when pitching at home, Greinke is unbeatable (quite literally).  You guys just lost Beachy and you’re in 2nd place in a wide-open NL East (DC will never sustain this level). 
          Mark it in the books, he will command 3 top 10 (possibly even top 5) prospects in return. 
          It’s a new world, new format that has far more buyers than sellers.  The times they are a-changing.

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          • Michael Brown

            13 years ago

            I just don’t see how a GM in his right mind could deal 3 top 10 prospects for 2 months of a player. Think about that again, from a Braves perspective your asking for them to give up: 

            Teheran
            Bethancourt
            Simmons 

            for 2 months of Grienke.

            Honestly I could see a Minor/Pastornicky deal working out nicely for both clubs…Two players that can contribute as soon as now at the major league level for the Brewers for 2 months (3 if playoffs) of a top 10 NL pitcher.

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            • Scottage Cheese

              13 years ago

              Mike Minor has little to no trade value right now. 

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    • erm016

      13 years ago

      I have lost all faith in Mike Minor. I think he should be replaced with Teheran this year, asap. Trade him for something we need (OF/SP). I don’t think the Braves will go after Greinke, but I’d be ok with him on our rotation.

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      • braveboy3

        13 years ago

        Greinke is at the top of the Braves wish plans…I have already read that.  Mike Minor is trash he always has been I never liked him when he was at Vandy.  Why would you not like Greinke in our rotation with Hudson Greinke and Hanson at the top we would be nastyyyyyy!!! Jurrjens will be fine and we need to move Medlen to the #5 spot in the rotation because it would take Minor and Delgado to get Greinke in my opinion.  I am okay with trading both of them because we have Teheran, Gilmartin, Spruill, Graham, and Lucas Sims down in the minor plus Hanson. Jurrjens, Medlen, and Beachy are all still fairly young.  I say do whatever you have to..to trade for Greinke then sign him to a long-term extension.  I say offer Minor, Delgado, Pastornicky and maybe a lower pitching prospect and that should get the deal done!!!! GO BRAVES

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        • davbee

          13 years ago

          Do you read what you write?  You just said Mike Minor is trash and then said you’d try and include him in a deal to Milwaukee.  Why would the Brewers want trash for Greinke?

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        • Adam

          13 years ago

          Medlen isn’t going to be put back in the starting rotation.  Pen is still somewhat shaky before you get to Kimbrel so he’s needed there more than in than as a starter.  And I will agree that while Braves do have young pitching on the way with Teheran and Gilmartin in a few years, I disagree on lumping Zeke Spruill in with them.  Yes he provides depth but AT BEST Spruill will get a cup of coffee at the majors with the Braves.  IMO he’s too buried on the depth chart to see significant time on the major league roster in this organization.

          I digress, back to Greinke.  I’d throw Minor, Spruill, and Todd Cunningham out there and see if the Brewers bite.  For 2-3 months of Greike services (assuming he doesn’t sign an extension) I think that would be a more reasonable offer.

          Reply
  4. sdsuphilip

    13 years ago

    As a Padre fan I can’t help but laugh, Kotsay isn’t getting us anything better than a C+ type prospect.

    Reply
    • truthlemonade

      13 years ago

      sure, but when SD signed him, I thought it was a waste of a roster spot and would rob Kyle Blanks of playing time.  Now look at him and his 123 OPS+. 

      Reply
      • Scottage Cheese

        13 years ago

        Kotsay was highly effective for Milwaukee last season.  He’s a good veteran bench guy that is still a decent pinch hitter.

        Reply
  5. pastlives

    13 years ago

    so if I’m understanding this right, if Greinke is traded, whoever signs him in the offseason doesn’t have to give up a draft pick?

    Reply
    • erm016

      13 years ago

      If the Braves trade for him, and he leaves in the off season for Colorado, Braves don’t get a draft pick for compensation. I think.

      Reply
  6. Kent Kimes

    13 years ago

    Would love Braves to snap up Grienke – but he really doesn’t seem much like a Braves kinda guy.

    Reply
    • Michael Brown

      13 years ago

      I assume you mean with he’s mouth, which can be unfiltered at times, because pitching-wise he very much fits in with the Braves kinda guy. Atlanta is a perfect place for Grienke to thrive, low-key media attention, fair playing park, and supporting young players who excel at defense (Simmons, Heyward).

      Reply
  7. Colin Christopher

    13 years ago

    Would anybody but me laugh uproariously if the Royals traded for Greinke?

    Reply
    • KyleB

      13 years ago

      He’s not thought of in a good light in KC.

      Reply
  8. Kendall Adkins

    13 years ago

    It would be really weird to see in Greinke in Cardinal red. He talked trash on Carpenter last year so that would be terrible for team chemistry I think. 

    Reply
  9. CHendershott

    13 years ago

    Greinke would be an excellent pickup for the WSox, problem is they don’t have nearly the prospects to make that trade happen. Even if they did, if he signs elsewhere for next season they get no compensation and will likely have lost what few even moderately valuable pieces they have.

    Reply
  10. Nicholas Blickhan

    13 years ago

    Greinke would be a good addition to the Cards, no doubt. But I really think we need to work on the bullpen first. Aside from Boggs, there really hasn’t been a shut-down/get out of trouble type guy we can count on. Wainwright, Lohse, Westbrook, Lynn and even the youngster Kelley have done pretty well, IMO. Not to mention that being in the same division, the Brewers would ask for a bit more than others. 

    Reply
  11. ThinkBlue10

    13 years ago

    I wonder what it would cost the Dodgers for Greinke.

    Reply
  12. Scottage Cheese

    13 years ago

    If Milwaukee starts showing signs of life with their homestand this weekend, they could easily turn in to buyers in that pathetic NL Central.  Reds fans, don’t fool yourselves, no one is a clear cut favorite and there’s still another half of baseball to be played.  Of course, Milwaukee has absolutely no prospect to deal if they do become buyers.  Kottaras & Ishikawa doesn’t sound like appealing trade chips.

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