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Anthopoulos Talks Prospects, CBA, Payroll

By Ben Nicholson-Smith | September 19, 2012 at 3:08pm CDT

General manager Alex Anthopoulos reviewed the Blue Jays’ on-field progress and discussed a variety of off-field issues in an extended interview with Drew Fairservice of the Score. Here are some highlights from their conversation:

  • It’s becoming more difficult for teams to get good trade value for players with one or two remaining years of team control, Anthopoulos said. “Now it is starting to shift a little bit, it is three years of control or four years of control,” he said. Players just one year away from free agency don’t have as much trade value now, according to the GM.
  • The Blue Jays entered the season with a payroll in the $80MM range and Anthopoulos described it as “a solid payroll to have” (Toronto’s Opening Day payroll was $83.7MM according to Cot's Baseball Contracts and $75.5MM according to USA Today). He repeated that the team can increase payroll, but noted that “it isn’t going to go up for the sake of going up.”
  • Draft pick compensation has become less of a consideration for the Blue Jays given the franchise’s minor league depth and recent changes to baseball’s collective bargaining agreement. “Now we are more interested in guys who will be around for a while and have some swing-and-miss stuff,” Anthopoulos said of potential relief acquisitions.
  • There’s no formula for extensions, Anthopoulos said. “It always comes down to price.” The Blue Jays discussed a possible extension for Edwin Encarnacion last offseason and ultimately signed him this summer.
  • Part of the reason the Blue Jays generally avoid long-term contracts is the unpredictable nature of baseball. “Players change, things change,” Anthopoulos told Fairservice. “Players get hurt and you tend to forget six or seven years is an awfully long time.” The GM added that it sometimes makes sense to wait a little longer before locking a player up, even if it means paying a bit more.
  • Anthopoulos knows he wasn’t “hired to react to the whims and the emotions” of a 162-game schedule, but it doesn’t mean he enjoys being calculated all of the time. “To be honest with you, I get sick of having to be so guarded,” he said. “It is exhausting. I know it is important to stay consistent but it is exhausting.”
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  1. User 4245925809

    13 years ago

    ““Now we are more interested in guys who will be around for a while and have some swing-and-miss stuff,”

    Not sure that will translate into those Jays fans been noticing here interested in Shaun Marcum. His FB velocity been on a downward spiral the last few years.

    Reply
    • johnsmith4

      13 years ago

      I think it might be in reference to acquiring Sergio Santos, Brad Lincoln, and Steve Delabar versus Kevin Gregg, Frank Francisco, Jon Rauch, and Octavio Dotel. The latter group was strictly about filling out the roster for the season in order to get compensation draft picks the following year.

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      • Jaysfan724

        13 years ago

        Wow I wish I saw this before I posted what I said to the guy above lol. Good to know we are thinking on the same level though.

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        • johnsmith4

          13 years ago

          Ha Ha Ha. I am going to keep an eye on you Jaysfan724

          Reply
  2. johnsmith4

    13 years ago

    It sounds like the elimination of Type A & B draft compensation is changing the trade market in that team control is a greater factor. This winter will be interesting.

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    • User 4245925809

      13 years ago

      Last winter also. Only Philly lost a 1st rounder because they went out and inked papelbon before the new CBA was signed.

      Rays can no longer sign a bunch of middle relievers, offer them arbitration and then pile up 7-8 of the top 100 picks either like they did in 2010.

      Reply
      • melonis_rex

        13 years ago

        Anaheim, Detroit, and Miami lost draft picks as well, but they signed Pujols, WIlson, Fielder, and Reyes.

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        • User 4245925809

          13 years ago

          Don’t think worded it correctly.. Those teams just lost a pick and Milwaukee, Cards and the Mets didn’t gain the signing teams original pick where Boston DID get the Phillies pick.

          Seems like (without going back and looking) Pap was the only Type A who signed before the new rules were announced.

          Reply
  3. mkl_nyn

    13 years ago

    The only problem with acquiring young, controllable talent is guys usually don’t peak until their age 27-29 seasons. So, it may be a while until Toronto fields a contender unless there are some major moves made this off-season and the core of Bautista, EE, Morrow play out of their minds moving forward. Or, everyone else in the division falls off all at once.

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    • LazerTown

      13 years ago

      You have to start somewhere. A successful team is usually built from the farm with some free agents to fill the spots the farm can’t handle. Toronto can spend like any of the other big teams in baseball if they want, but I think they are trying to get a base first. They need a stronger starting rotation if they want to be contenders.

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      • slider32

        13 years ago

        By not going after Gio and Darvish last year, AA showed his true colors.

        Reply
        • LazerTown

          13 years ago

          Gio is not the reason that the Nats are so good. Neither is Darvish the reason why the rangers are so good. Both are very good players, but the Nats still have Strasburg, Zimmerman, Detwiler, Jackson, Lannan. One pitcher doesn’t turn the 75 win (current rate of the jays) team into a 95 win team.
          Both teams had the good solid team, and used trade/signing player to give them that complete team.

          Reply
          • slider32

            13 years ago

            Gio will be the NL Cy Young award winner this year, and Romero is now a #4 pitcher. Gio was another piece to the puzzle, what pitcher did the Jays get.

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            • Lunchbox45

              13 years ago

              gio wouldn’t be putting those numbers up in our division.

              Reply
            • LazerTown

              13 years ago

              Romero was absolutely dominant last year. He should be able to regain some of his past success if he really is healthy.

              Reply
        • Lunchbox45

          13 years ago

          but he did go after both those guys

          lots of teams did

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          • slider32

            13 years ago

            lunchbox, I agree many teams should have gone after Gio, but the Jays were in more need of a top pitcher than others. As I remember you were down playing Gio for the Jays. saying he wasn’t worth what they gave up. Chen was another good pick up, teams that make moves have a better chance of getting better.

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            • Lunchbox45

              13 years ago

              the nats paid a hefty price for gio and the reds did for latos.

              the reality is, that neither latos or gio would have helped much this year, the injuries pushed them to far back

              that being said its time for AA to bring in some starters, and he has plenty of prospects to bring in a starting pitcher.

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              • slider32

                13 years ago

                Agreed, AA needs to get either Greinke, Anibal Sanchez, or Shields and trade for another front line starter. They also need to get at least 2 position players to be in contention. Unless they make some major moves they will be in the basement again next year. You know the Sox are not going to stand pat.

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                • Lunchbox45

                  13 years ago

                  grienke wouldnt waive his ntc to come to toronto so you should probably get that out of your head

                  Reply
    • slider32

      13 years ago

      The Jays need a new GM, AA has been too passive with the team. They look to be a last place team again next year.

      Reply
      • mkl_nyn

        13 years ago

        Classic slider32. Well done, sir.

        Reply
  4. Brent Lafond 2

    13 years ago

    Yes that is true some players dont peak till that age. But what do you consider peaking? IYO is Miguel Cabreara peaking this year? In my mind no. Hes always been a great player who put up great numbers consistently. You can argue this in other ways as well but I aint gonna get into to all that. My point is you can win with a young team. Of course you need some Vets an atleast a couple of them need to be important Vets in the everyday lineup an on the pitching staff. Rays have had lots of success over the last 5 years or so now. The year it all started for them, which was 2008 i believe, they hiad a young team. A good player whos 23 may put up 22 hr 93 rbi 282 avg 348 obp an when hes 27 30 hr 113 rbi 296 avg 371 obp. So ya the 27 yr old version of the player had a little bit of a better year but the 23 yr old version still had a great year an good anuff to be a very good, potent an important part of a offense. Dont believe you cant win with a young team. If they are all producing an living up to there potential then yes they can most definitely win.

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    • slider32

      13 years ago

      You could make the case that the Rays should have missed the playoffs last year, if not for the Sox collapse. There chances of making the playoffs this year look slim at best!

      Reply
  5. safari_punch

    13 years ago

    Greg Zaun called Anthopolous a ‘bean counter’ recently and I have to agree with him.

    Bean counter!

    Reply
    • johnsmith4

      13 years ago

      Name caller!!!

      Reply
      • safari_punch

        13 years ago

        Anthopolous is the type of guy who goes to the grocery store and expects to get value for everything he buys. Most people on a tight budget splurge on steak and eat some KD so they can afford that steak. Anthopolous wants to go to the reduced rack to buy his food and acts surprised that there is never any steak there.

        Bean counter!

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        • Lunchbox45

          13 years ago

          AA has extended Morrow, Encarnacion and Bautista in the last two season.

          what aisle is that in your little scenario?

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          • safari_punch

            13 years ago

            So I guess the bean counter’s shopping has been excellent in your eyes? You must have a Kraft Dinner palate.

            Morrow has done what again? Had one big game where he struck out a bunch of guys? Let’s tack on some more years, shall we?
            EE has had one good year and a half. Let’s give the guy 9 MM per. Sounds good.
            Bautista. The guy who tries to hit a home run every swing and destroyed his wrist. He should be traded to fill holes all over the roster.

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            • johnsmith4

              13 years ago

              You are not making sense. When you aggregate the past three seasons, Jose Bautista has the 6th best fWAR for positional players. Better than Josh Hamilton, Albert Pujols, and Prince Fielder.

              Conversely, Brandon Morrow has 32nd best fWAR for starters over the past three years. Better than Matt Garza.

              Any team will gladly relieve Toronto of these players. Any team.

              Reply
              • safari_punch

                13 years ago

                Good. I hope they get a windfall of players that can help them instead of guys that are just in it for themselves. Are there sabermetrics for that?

                Reply
          • slider32

            13 years ago

            Lunchbox, you don’t finish at the bottom of the league year after year and make great moves. The Jays won more games with Wells than they have the last 2 seasons. All teams have injuries!

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            • melonis_rex

              13 years ago

              but that many injuries at once is well beyond the injuries that all teams have.

              Take the two best starting pitchers and the best position player away from any 2012 contender (even one that doesn’t have lots of star power), and that team’s probably in a lot of trouble, let alone taking away the 4 starting pitchers+ that the jays have lost to injury.

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