The Yankees are averaging 96 regular season wins in their first five years under manager Joe Girardi. Here's the latest from the Bronx, via Joel Sherman of the New York Post…
- The Yankees would be far better off with Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte and Derek Jeter contributing in 2013, Sherman writes. Rivera appears to be undecided about whether to continue playing, Pettitte hasn't announced his plans for the '13 season and Jeter’s recovering from ankle surgery. Sherman hears from a friend of Rivera's who expects the closer to return.
- The Yankees realize Curtis Granderson adds value and will almost certainly avoid trading him in a reactionary move, Sherman writes. “I will listen on anybody, but you would be hard-pressed to get enough to trade a center fielder who is a perennial 40-homer-plus man,” GM Brian Cashman said of Granderson, whose 2013 option will be exercised in the coming weeks. Rival executives told Sherman that Granderson could draw trade interest from teams aiming to contend in 2013 if the Yankees made him available.
- Sherman also notes that Nick Swisher is almost certain to leave in free agent.
And here I thought the Yankees would be worse off if Rivera, Pettitte, and Jeter didn’t contribute next year. I stand corrected.
When you’re a beat reporter you get the inside scoop.
So part of Joel Sherman’s “inside scoop” was that Andy Pettitte hasn’t made an announcement and that a 40-HR CF would draw interest on the trade market. Brilliant.
First off i was kidding and in regards to granderson you must not have been reading what some commenters here have been saying.
While Granderson hit 40+ HRs, he was still only a 2.7 WAR player. Meaning he didn’t really do anything else, combined with a suspect defense.
Last year wasnt granderson rookie season. He had a 7 war the year before and a 3.6 before that. His d was never rated as badly as it was this year which is why UZR generally needs more than 1 yr to mean anything.
He also is getting on the far side of 30.
Wonder what kind of spin we would be hearing if Adam Dunn played for the Yankees regarding most every other aspect of his game being atrocious, other than power…
32 isnt the far side of 30… What spin is exactly both granderson and dunn are valuable players. If anything being a yankee gives these players a negative spin. That’s why we keep hearing that the yankees need to fix their offense despite it being the best in baseball last year.
That was my point basically. Mark Reynolds fits into that same group as well. None of them are worth anywhere close to 10m per season.. probably closer to the 7.5m Reynolds made last season and Baltimore is the only team that is going to choose to get out from under the team option we can all figure.. NY in all liklihood will go with the 13m option with money no object and 11m for Reynolds, even tho he has shown to be a really slick defensive 1b is too much for a player of the ilk of Dunn/Granderson/Reynolds.
Poor ChiSox.. They are marooned with Dunn and the remaining 30m on his contract. I guess that signing is another reason Williams was promoted.. Things like that happen in the city of chicago…
Also, I love the comparison of saying Dunn is a .400 OBP guy. His last two years in Chicago it’s been .292 and .333 and he has four years comparable in K’s to Granderson’s 2012.
Granderson, has had a .364 and .319 OBP the last two years and even in Detroit it was comparable to Dunn’s in Chicago. Not to mention, far more durability. They aren’t even close as full baseball players and there is no NY bias in saying that.
You must enjoy putting words into my mouth cause I **never** said Dunn was a .400 OBP guy anywhere.
The whitesox and their fans are not upset at all with Dunn, least year was clearly a fluke, he even said he was rushed back after surgery last year. He gets on base at a .333 clip, led the league in walks, yes he strikes out a ton but an out is an out is an out. A strike out is the same as a line out, fly out, ground out, He also hit 40+ home runs got 96 RBIS(with a black hole in the 2 spot for a majority of the season infront of him. And with konerko struggling after his historic start to a season the fan base and whitesox are 100% fine with dunn
An “out is an out is an out” is not true when you have a runner on 3rd and less than two outs!! Strikeouts KILL a team in that position. Also, K’s put NO pressure on the defense to make plays
Are you really comparing a player without a position who has no speed and can only hit HR coming off maybe the worst year of all time to a CF with the same power, with speed, who plays average defense and is coming off an MVP caliber season the year before?
You forgot to mention that the “player who can only hit HRs” also gets on base about 40% of the time, and that he doesn’t get to play 81 games in Yankee Stadium.
A valid factor, but I think there is a correlation between Granderson’s increase in power, increase in strikeouts and drop in BA and I think all of those have to do with Yankee Stadium, not just the increase in power.
Dunn doesnt get on base 40% of the time anymore and played in a better hr park this season.
The OBP was considering a wash with the speed and his defense was never that good anyway.. Maybe as good as an Ellsbury, who even tho he has a GG (not deserved IMO) is not a good CF.
every aspect of his game being atrocious? he led the league in walks, was 3rd in home runs, only had 2 errors at 1st, He is a true 3 outcome player walk, homerun, strike out. And in terms of history he had a historic 3 true out come season. His season was very very similar to Tex’s. Tex had a better batting average but almost identical OBP and SLG and Dunn hit 15 more home runs.. at a ton less per year. There wouldn’t be any spin because fan of baseball know what adam dunn is.
Dunn has little range at 1b, you have to admit that even as a White Sox fan. Just because someone makes few errors does not make them a good fielder and they have good hands.. Danny Uggla is a prime example of that.. He generally catches anything he can get to.. problem is that he can’t get to anything..
Yeah, I meant to post earlier that Dunn has a tremendous eye at the plate, but didn’t write it out that way, it was unintentional. That guy is very, very patient, too much if anything and knows the zone as well as anyone.
Sure Granderson is getting mediocre in CF. He isn’t great, but can still get the job done, but even if you move him over to left he is still a pretty good player.
Granderson is a perfect Yankee Stadium hitter. I don’t know if he could be as valuable as a player as he is to the Yankees than to any other team…
If the Yankees wish to achieve their goals of
1) becoming younger
2) dropping under the luxury tax threshold
3) staying competitive
then they’ll need to find good bargain basement pick on the free agent and trade markets. Those end up being the most valuable.
One possible trading partner could be the Oakland A’s OF. They have Seth Smith, Josh Reddick, Yoenis Cespedes, Coco Crisp, Brandon Moss. Surely at least one of them will be available for trade.
Reddick, Smith and Moss are still pre-arb or arb and Cespedes is under contract for another 3 years.
Granderson and cash for either deaza or vicedio helps both teams. Gives the whitesox left handed power to replace aj. Gives the Yankees a young cheap out fielder.
But De Aza, isnt very good and viedo couldnt get on 30 percent of the time. Not sure how it would help
That is not the way to accomplish those goals. Not alot of bargains in FA, and trade market is expensive, expecially when they have so many old players. If they want to get younger over the long run they need to keep their prospects. It won’t help this year or next, but in 5 years they should have a payroll lower and younger.
The trade market is expensive?
How about, top notch free agents are expensive?
That’s how the Yankees got into this mess in the first place.
Bigger mess because they traded all their decent prospects for older more established players. Most established players you are looking at trading 3-4 young guys for. They have shipped several of those packages out in the past 10 years and it has hurt them. Them building the farm is the cheaper way, because usually you only buy 2 years of control at arbitration prices (so half cost) for 18+ total years of control of the prospects. Trades are good if you need that last piece, it isn’t how you should be building the team though.
Cespedes ? ROFL their best ?
What on earth are you trying to say?
Granderson has had two consecutive 40+ HR seasons. Calling him a “perennial 40-homer-plus man” seems a bit premature.
So you’d be hard pressed to get enough for CF due 13 million, who had a negative defensive war, k’d 195 times, and hit .232? I almost forgot his ops drops 120 points out of the home field band box.
Wouldn’t mind them trading Granderson if they got a decent package, but don’t know how likely that would be. He still hits 43 hr, his obp was only .320 last year (which by the way is still 20 points better than BJ Upton), but just last year his obp was .364, which is pretty good.
I am a huge Yankee fan and I read all the posts. Its funny to me that the yankees didn’t keep Austin Jackson. He is the same guy just younger and it looks like he is going to be a better defensive CF. His offense is coming around nicely for Detroit. The Yankees need to stop making stupid deals like sending Phil Coke and Austin Jackson to teams for Curtis Granderson.
Yankees need to trade Granderson!!
The Yanks are done. They’re getting old and aren’t getting what they should from their big $$$$ guys. Have A-Fraud and Tex been worth $25 mil a year? Their stats certainly don’t show it. And Jeter’s year, at 38? ???