The Giants have acquired Jake Peavy from the Red Sox, CBS Sports’ Jon Heyman tweets. The Red Sox will receive pitching prospects Edwin Escobar and Heath Hembree, ESPN’s Buster Olney tweets. The Giants will pay $2MM of what’s left on Peavy’s contract, ESPN’s Jim Bowden tweets.
The trade reunites Peavy with Bruce Bochy, who managed him with the Padres. The deal also provides the Giants with valuable starting pitching depth, which they needed, given Matt Cain’s injury. The Red Sox, meanwhile, add prospect depth while clearing space for younger starting pitchers like Brandon Workman and Allen Webster.
Peavy is making $14.5MM in his final season before free agency. (His contract indicates that he can receive a player option for 2015, but he will not be able to pitch enough innings to attain it.) In 124 innings this season, has a 4.72 ERA with 7.3 K/9 and 3.3 BB/9.
Escobar and Hembree appear to constitute a strong return for Boston. The lefty Escobar, 22, has pitched the entire season with Triple-A Fresno, posting a 5.11 ERA with 7.8 K/9 and 3.0 BB/9. He had a very strong 2013 season at Class A+ and Double-A. MLB.com ranked him the Giants’ No. 2 prospect and the No. 75 prospect in all of baseball, noting that he could become a middle-of-the-rotation starter.
Hembree, 25, has spent most of the 2014 season with Fresno, where he’s posted a 3.89 ERA with 10.5 K/9 and 3.0 BB/9 in 39 1/3 innings of relief. He appeared in nine games in the big leagues in 2013. MLB.com ranked him the 11th-best prospect in the Giants’ system, noting that he has long been regarded as a potential closer. Both Escobar and Hembree were on the Giants’ 40-man roster, although the Red Sox had a 40-man spot open before the trade, so they didn’t need to make any further moves to add both.
Heyman tweeted that the Red Sox would acquire minor league pitchers in return, with WEEI.com’s Alex Speier tweeting that the Red Sox would get one righty and one lefty. Jen Royle of the Boston Herald tweeted this morning that Boston was close to trading Peavy to an NL team, and FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal tweeted that the Red Sox and Giants were in serious discussions. CSNBayArea.com’s Andrew Baggarly reported that the Giants would receive cash in the deal.
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“For minor league pitchers”
Even if they do absolutely nothing it’s still a win for the Sox!
I know I was shocked that pitchers was plural too.
The odds of the return being better than nothing are slightly higher! 😀
At least it didn’t say “Four minor league pitchers’ like I initially thought it did.
Yeah that got me too
I;m a Sox fan…you bet I’ll take FOUR minor league prospects for Peavy!
Honestly, they should trade Drew and Lester now. Get a nice little return.
Nobody’s going to give you anything for Drew. He’s improved a little in July, but he’s still only hitting .200 for the month.
I meant more for Lester, but if,you’re not going to bring them back, why not trade them?
Drew is a relatively known quantity, though, and it’s perfectly reasonable to think he’ll get better. I may be so bold as to suggest “more than nothing” is a reasonable return for Drew.
Known quantity of 1
The Red Sox would have to eat a significant amount of that contract if they want anything in return. Drew simply isn’t worth the money he’s getting paid, let alone the money plus a prospect
He’s only due something like $4 million for the rest of the year. If by “significant” you mean $1-2 million, I don’t see why the Red Sox would have a problem with that.
I did think they’d get much for Peavy either. Surprised they ended up with anything decent. (decent in that it wasn’t a garbage prospect and a bucket of balls)
… with an .880 OPS and gold glove caliber defense. Yeah, who would want that?
Umm he’s never been an .880Ops guy and not even against RHP…
He’s still a good commodity though
I was referencing RichardGoezinya pointing out his batting average in the month of July. The point is that he was OPSing .880 this month.
Because half of his hits this month have been home runs lol
Oh, his 4 HR this month explains his .350 OBP?
Lester’s in a very different category than Drew and Peavy, players for which you would get “a nice little return.”
Lester is a 2 month rental that cannot be offered a QO if traded. The return should probably top the compensation pick if the red sox trade him, but he´s not going to be worth a king ransom,
Lester’s in a very different category than Drew and Peavy, players for which you would get “a nice little return.”
You’re not looking for a “nice little return” for Lester. You’re looking for a Joc Pederson or Oscar Taveras
Exactly. We need POWER.We could get ML and/or power bats for Lester. We could also get an unbelievable return for Miller , Tazawa and judging on the Peavy trade …Koji
I don’t thing the Dodgers or Cardinal are going to give you their best position prospect that are on the cusp of playing for the parent team, in return for a 2 month rental.
Dodger fan here. Ben is very right. No way Dodgers give up Joc for Lester, who’s just going back to the Sox next season anyways.
I disagree, For a Pitcher like Lester and his track record in the post season. He would be worth parting with Joc. And if the Dodgers what a front line starter the price will be Pedersonor Corey Seager. And if they wnat Price it might take both or one of them and someone like Zach Lee.
Highly, highly doubt the Dodgers will move Seager. Their infield depth, especially with Hanley being unreliable and an impending free agent, is far too weak to sacrifice Seager. Pederson and Zach Lee will be very much available in the right deal, though. Maybe even Urias.
Pederson for Lester and a reliever would be OK with me as a Dodger fan. As much as I’d like to be rid of Ethier or Crawford and have Pederson take their place, it just isn’t realistic.
Agreed, I have been a Giants and Red Sox fan since I was a little kid. While I hate the Dodgers with a passion it would be best for Pederson ( who I think is a stud) and the organization to be able to trade Either or Crawford before trading Pederson.
he would be a front line starter for most teams but for us he’d be our #3
True that, but assuming the Dodger made it to the world series. He would be the #3 starter whom performed like a #1 starter. Just look at his stats in the post season.
Anybody know who they got?
It’s likely not Crick or Escobar or any of their top pitchers. Maybe somebody like ty blach or something? I’m not too well informed on the Giants farm system though. Just based on Peavy’s value.
Edit:
Hey look, it was Escobar after all. I’ll go back to only knowing about the AL East now.
Just looked at their top 10 and thought the same, “maybe Crick but doubtful”. Maybe Ty Blach and/or Chris Stratton?
Did hear Stratton isn’t in Peavy deal, maybe its Ty Blach, but Boston is also sending 1mil in cash with Peavy deal, if its not Crick, its a huge pickup with Cain on the DL. Maybe Hembree even?
No way the Sox get Crick
Didn’t say they did or would, but you have to wonder, Sox sent 1mil & Peavy to Giants.
If the Sox get Crick it’s a major major win for them. Crick is a top 50 (possibly top 25 depending on where you look) prospect; you’re not getting that kind of value for a couple months of a back end starter.
Sox didn’t get Crick, maybe Escobar / someone else. Sox get Edwin Escobar & Heath Hembree, while I’m surprised a little but love the deal.
Escobar has great stuff. He is a the #3 prospect for the giants. This is going to be a trade that comes back and haunt the giants. Escobar just needs the right coach and could be a solid starting pitcher.
I’ll disagree there, they had really no plans for him up with the team. I’m happy we got Peavy as he’s a good pickup, Hembree was pitching good though. Also Escobar is #2 prospect wise for the Giants.
Peavy is a inning eater pitcher now. The Peavy of 5 years ago was good. He is a back of rotation guy. This is a trade that will come back on the giants even though I see Escobar more as a future closer with the stuff he has.
I’ll take that. Our closer is like 80
That’s fine about Escobar, thing is though the Giants lost Matt Cain for who knows how long, Petit isn’t even good honestly rather have him go to the Pen, Peavy can be the 5th starter. The Giants rotation is even better now, with Bumgarner, Lincecum, Hudson, Vogelsong, Peavy
You’re crushing it with analysis, nice job Glenn!
“This is a trade that will come back on the giants”. Giants didn’t give up much. The Giants have arguably the best run organization when it comes to scouting, developing & maintaining pitching. In almost two decades as GM, not very often has he traded away a high-ceiling pitching prospect that came back to bite him. While your opinion is interesting, it does not seem rooted in anything.
Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano, and to an extent Zack Wheeler…. Not sure what their ceiling was when he traded them but they did do well after they were traded.
Exactly. In 16 yrs, those are the only 3 names: Nathan wasn’t a prospect was already performing well at the majors; Liriano was a bad giveaway; Wheeler hasn’t hurt much yet… He also traded away Jason Grilli & Bobby Howry & Saloman Torres but took years for them to be bullpen contributors.
yeah that sounds about right. Hindsight is always 20/20… suppose we won’t know until everything settles and those players are given a chance.
Keep telling yourself that. Hudson has not been very good lately. Lincecum is only good against the padres. Vogelsong is up and down. the good thing for the giants is they are in the weakest division in baseball so they could slide into the playoffs. That is Sabean’s hope to catch fire when the playoff comes. Peavy was a over pay for a 5th starter.
How often in the last 16 years has Sabean traded one of his top 2 pitching prospects?
1- Beede > Escobar once he signed.
2- **off the top of my head, feel free to add/edit. Years might be wrong** Zach Wheeler for Beltran 2011; Tim Alderson for Freddy Sanchez in 2010; Jason Grilli & Joe Fontenant were both highest rated pitchers for Robb Nen in 1997; Kurt Ainsworth for Sidney Ponson; Jesse Foppert for Randy Winn; Scott Linebrink for Doug Henry; Jerome Williams & David Aardsma were both highest rated for LaTroy Hawkins … not sure if Keith Foulke was a Top 2 pitching prospect in the 1997 trade with the White Sox. I don’t think Vogelsong was Top 2 in the 2001 trade for Jason Schmidt but that’s debatable.
I’ll disagree there, they had really no plans for him up with the team. I’m happy we got Peavy as he’s a good pickup, Hembree was pitching good though. Also Escobar is #2 prospect wise for the Giants.
No way the Sox get Crick
Not only did Ben talk Sabs out of Escobar, but he got them to throw in Hembree too…wow…still shocked at the Sox steal of a haul.
Hope you enjoy Hembree he didn’t work out one bit, Giants gave him a shot and he failed.
Failed how exactly? He pitched in 9 games last year didn’t give up a run. Walked 2 struck out 12 in 7.2 IP.
Giants gave him a shot 3 years, and he didn’t make it. He’ll be missed but could have done far better.
The Giants gave him a shot three years? No they did not.
2010 – drafted
2011 – A+/AA, great season
2012 – AAA, shoulder injury
2013 – AAA, elbow injury, then a September call-up where he did well
2014 – AAA in part because of a roster crunch and the fact that he has options remaining
Failed is a strong word – he has been given A LOT of opportunities over the years. This year, he couldn’t beat out David Huff, Juan Gutierrez, Jean Machi, or George Kontos plus was passed on the depth chart by Derek Law.
He was not given a lot of opportunities. He was drafted, had a solid first year, then injured (shoulder one year, elbow the next), and then got 7.2 IP last September. That’s not “A LOT of opportunities over the years”.
A 25 yr old pitcher invited to many spring trainings on a bullpen that always brings in new pitchers is many opportunities. You view opportunity as having only 7.2 innings – I view opportunity as spring training, mid-season call ups & opening day rosters of which he never really outshone anyone to win spots or calls to the show.
Let the trades… Begin!
Yay!
Can’t wait to see who the Red Sox got in exchange.
Edwin Escobar and Heath Hembree are pretty good pick ups. With Hembree, they can now trade Koji Uehara and/or Junichi Tazawa for some prospects. Edwin is young and has plenty of time to develop. Nice move.
Be careful about anointing Hembree the closer. He is only 25 but was supposed to the closer-in-waiting after Brian Wilson a few yrs back. This year, he was passed on the depth chart by George Kontos, Juan Gutierrez, Jean Machi, Derek Law. Has the stuff but inconsistent. Should be a contributor but not sure about closer.
He sounds like Daniel Bard. Maybe the Sox will treat him better and make him the 7th-inning guy this year and go from there.
For sure. Hope Hembree gets a consistent chance now. 7th inning guys sounds perfect actually, ease him into it.
I disagree that he was “passed” on the depth chart. He had options, Gutierrez and Machi did not. Kontos had a track record with Bochy (huge factor with this team). Law was not going to play in the Majors this season.
His secondary stuff needs work, but I think he’s a perfectly decent reliever who would have had an actual opportunity had the SF bullpen not been lights-out for most of the season. Not the closer we were promised a couple years ago, but still decent.
He was passed plain & simple. How do you explain David Huff? Machi & Gutierrez were minor league free agents (Machi last year), not groomed players the Giants had been stashing al a Gary Brown. Sandy Rosario got further last year. Derek Law was closing @ AAA before TJ surgery. While Hembree should be a decent reliever, he couldn’t break through a multitude of minor league free agents. Facts are facts.
He is 25 yrs old. At this point, you hope he can turn into a Doug Henry or Clay Hensley type. That’s still a decent contributor but when it comes to “asset value” in a trade, it’s not much. I really hope he makes it for the Red Sox in that capacity, like you said “not the closer we were promised a couple years ago”. There’s nothing wrong with a Doug Henry or Clay Hensley, they helped teams win.
I explain Huff and Rosario the same way I explained the others. No options remaining. Machi came up originally in 2012, he was in the system since 2011. The fact that they were brought into the system doesn’t mean much with regard to Hembree. They were brought in for depth, and Sabean didn’t want to lose them, so he didn’t DFA them (until later, in Huff’s case).
And Derek Law was in AA, not AAA.
Those guys were minor league free agents – not a matter of Sabean not wanting to lose them since he had no sunk cost into them. Sabean got rid of Huff really quick in fact (Gary Brown being moved to the 40-man so as not exposed to Rule 5 Draft is a matter of not wanting to lose a player). Sabean puts the best players on the field 95% of the time – clearly Hembree couldn’t beat out those guys. When you can’t beat someone out and new players keep emerging, that means you are passed.. Larry Kruger was saying this too when the trade happened
And boom goes the dynamite
Hope Peavy does well in San Fran. Time to call up the young guys.
I wish him the best. He’s a good guy, and that ERA should come down some in the NL. Excited for Workman again though!
Goodbye Peavy. Thanks for the memories and good luck with the Giants.
He’ll always have his duck boat… good luck in SF!
As a Cardinals fan, this pleases me.
don’t worry, Cubs will trade EJax to your team.
And he will pitch better, cost less, and the cubs will eat salary. Not seeing the downfall if the cubs are picking up the bill just to get rid of him.
Jackson is owed $22 million in ’15 and ’16. Peavy won’t be able to pick up his option and will cost the Giants a couple million… Jackson would be a much, much worse pick-up… and certainly not a cheaper one.
The giants just gave up some good/decent pitching prospects. If the cubs hope to trade Edwin Jackson for a decent prospect they’ll have to eat 16-18 mill of that contract. That means whatever team trades for him can give up a struggling player with high upside and the team that gets Jackson is paying him 2-3 mill a year.
Cubs won’t eat that much of his contract, especially if they aren’t in contention. Maybe a couple million… not 16-18.
Never happen
Please
Maybe he can buy a cable car to go with that duck boat
Haha well played.
Now, is this a boat shaped like a duck or a boat used to obtain ducks in some fashion? I’m very out of the loop on this.
It’s a hybrid boat-car. So like a duck it can both walk and land and float in the water.
There have been duck boats in SF for a while, so no problem!
At least he is going to a place where there is plenty of water parking near the ballpark.
Did SF take on all the salary?
Sox sent 1mil with him
thank god it isnt the braves
Oh man, time to pack it in again. First they get Uggla to out do our roster and now Peavy to out do our pitching staff. Theres always next year Dodgers….
There’s worse additions than Peavy. There’s also better ones.
But cheaper ones?
I feel like his price is fair. He isn’t having a great year, but you know what you’re getting and that comes with some mild upside.
Agreed. Giants didn’t give up that much. Hembree was passed by Derek Law & Kontos (not to mention Machi, Gutierrez, David Huff). Escobar was interesting.
Escobar is intriguing, but his control hasn’t been very good this season. He’s basically a high risk-high reward type prospect.
About 82 of them if you’re looking at starting pitchers.
when will they announce who the sox got back?
meh
wheeeeew. I was afraid the Cardinals were going to somehow pull the trigger on this and make a mistake but thankfully the Giants did it first. Go Giants!
Peavy will pitch very well in San Fran with those deep outfields.
Puig’s going to hit like 16 triples off him
keep dreaming dudes
And its a big pickup with Cain on the DL, and seeing his stats 14 – 2 vs LA if I see that correctly.
When’s the last time he actually pitched against the Dodgers often though? He’s been in the AL for awhile now.
When he was a good pitcher seven years ago.
Ya home run city!!!
Peavy will pitch very well in San Fran with those deep outfields.
Boston gets Escobar & Hembree in exchange 1mil and Peavy, confirmed pending approval.
Wow….
Not a big fan of Giants or Peavy; therefore it’s a match made in (their) heaven.
The Red Sox will get Giants prospects Edwin Escobar and Heath Hembree in the deal, pending approval.
MLB.com has Escobar as Giants’ #2 prospect and Hembree at #11. What’s the actual deal with these guys?
MLB.com has Escobar as Giants’ #2 prospect and Hembree at #11. What’s the actual deal with these guys?
MLB has Escobar as Giants’ #2 prospect and Hembree at #11. What’s the actual deal with these guys?
Kind of sad to see Escobar go… As far as Hembree goes, I was really hoping for him to be a great bullpen guy, but how much longer do you give a 25 year old reliever? Escobar is the only “loss” here.
Thing is, who knows how good Escobar will be? I mean I’m a Giants fan and liked getting Peavy as Cain is on the DL for who knows how long, suppose if Escobar turns out to be bad example, not saying he will.
Thing is, who knows how good Peavy will be? His park adjusted, league adjusted numbers are still below average and he’s much more expensive and only under contract for 2 more months.
We don’t know how good Peavy will be, but he’s far better than what we had now, with Cain being done for awhile.
It’s less about what he becomes, and more about his current value. He can become a bust, and it still would have been too much value at the time of the trade.
Myself & other die hard Giants fans are happy about the deal, Escobar was good but never had a future with the team in general.
That still doesn’t mean it was a good trade. It’s all about the value, and Escobar alone had more value than 2 months of Peavy.
Thing is you don’t understand, Escobar never had a future with the team, he had 2 years and didn’t work out. If he had worked out, do you think they would have traded him?
Escobar is *really* young and in the Sox’ system he is probably in AA, not AAA. Maybe the Giants rushed him to AAA and maybe that’s why he’s getting hit hard. Maybe Escobar has a bright future but he’s got about 3-4 years of learning with a great minor league system before he even gets a shot at the rotation.
From what I know AA tends to be where the Giants put their frontline prospect pitchers for development. He did ok their, but out here in the PCL AAA, offensive stats are usually inflated due to the pitching talent that is in the league. A lot of these pitchers including Escobar are often considered 4A guys.
It doesn’t matter if he has a future with the team, it’s still too much value to give up for Peavy. That’s like saying “It’s okay that I paid $20 for that McDonald’s burger because I didn’t really like that $20 bill anyway.” That’s still way too much to pay for a McDonald’s burger.
Who cares how much you paid if you are hungry and desperate to eat? The Giants are in win-now mode (and didn’t exactly give away $20M burger to get Peavy).
Look at it this way, Escobar was getting hammered, not saying Peavy was or wasn’t, the fact was the Giants needed an SP and got one, no one knows how long Cain is out for, might gone for entire year.
“Value” is a subjective term. Long-term, he is projected as a back-of-the-rotation arm IF he makes it. The Giants have an excellent history of developing that, so the “value” they see in Escobar is not the higher value the Red Sox see.
Giants fans and Dodgers fans seem to think that they are the only teams with good pitching development in their systems. The Braves might say the same, the Red Sox, the Angels….John Farrell alone has been credited with shaping the careers of a lot of their pitchers. I see Escobar as a AA guy in the Sox’ system and a pretty long line ahead of him to the majors. But ultimately, I think that the Sox have so much minor league depth right now that it would not surprise me to see either or both of these guys, plus some of the guys in Pawtucket get spun off in another deal down the line. I’d like to see these fellows wearing Marlins uniforms next year and G. Stanton patrolling the OF at Fenway.
Good point. Between Owens, Escobar, Webster, Workman, Ranaudo and Barnes, the Red Sox will have trouble storing all of their legitimate pitching prospects in a league that challenges them. And that’s assuming that De La Rosa stays in the majors.
I don’t think that c/c Giants & Dodgers – not sure what you mean. And I like the trades for both sides. Cherington got what he wanted, Sabean got what he needed.
Thing is, who knows how good Escobar will be? I mean I’m a Giants fan and liked getting Peavy as Cain is on the DL for who knows how long, suppose if Escobar turns out to be bad example, not saying he will.
Escobar’s ranking and stats last year never really matched up with what scouts were saying about him. He projects as a #5/Long Man according to Jason Parks. Hembree could be a good 7/8 guy it seems.
He’s 22 years old and needs to develop a better offspeed pitch. Worst case scenario, he’s a swing man or a loogy out of the bullpen. Even if he didn’t have more upside than that, I’d be happy to get a potential major league piece for 2-3 months of Jake Peavy.
Hefty price for Peavy
Hefty price for Peavy
Kinda surprised to get ranked guys for Peavy, and to only have to give up a million. Good job Ben.
Peavy’s numbers are inflated though due to where he’s pitching. The Giants must be anticipating much better numbers in the NL West.
I hope they’re right. Look at any metric you want Peavy is in the bottom ten qualifiers in the majors.
He’s clearly in the decline portion of his career but hopefully he can be a valuable innings eater and keep the Giants in some games going forward.
Yeah, Peavy is probably a decent pickup for the Giants, but I’m still shocked by how much they gave up to get him.
Makes me more inclined to shop Lester around seeing what teams are getting for pitching right now.
Right, Fangraphs projected Escobar as a future number 2/3 starter prior to this season and potential is clearly there. He has been pretty awful this year however, giving up a ton of home runs and it hasn’t been all bad luck either. Think he’s a guy that could go either way, but based on potential, great pickup for Peavy, and Hembree.isn’t bad either.
The issue is he needs to paint to be successful because he’s averaging about 90 mph on his fastball. He doesn’t paint and he gets hit hard, and it happens fast. Again I wish him success but I’ve been watching him all year. Maybe he just needs a change of scenery.
Exactly. Peavy is clearly in decline, he even mentioned possibly retiring after this season.
He’s only 33, and the decline happened really fast. Part of his issue I’m sure is with his eyes. It’s hard to pitch if you can’t really see.
I don’t think his eyes are the reason he’s lost his velocity. But I’m sure it doesn’t help.
Smart move by Red Sox. The didn’t want Peavy and to turn him into two decent prospects–very opportunistic.
So they finally decided to pull the plug? whos next? Koji?
I wouldn’t doubt it
I wouldn’t doubt it
My guess would be Andrew Miller.
Unless someone is willing to trade an almost ML ready power hitter, I doubt the Red Sox trade anything of value. Probably Gomes, maybe Carp and Drew if there is anyone willing to take him. They’re looking to resign Koji for next year and he’s already basically said he’s just going to play for whomever pays him the most, so they won’t want to move him and take a chance he signs with the new team.
Backward logic on Koji. If he is going to play for whoever pays him the most then they should trade him 100 percent.
That isn’t necessarily true. He’s turning 40 next year, I doubt he’ll see a huge contract. And you also have the opportunity to negotiate with him before he reaches free agency if he stays on your team. I was paraphrasing, and he said something more like he doesn’t have anywhere he wants to play. It’s best not to give up your exclusive window was all I meant.
That is a tremendous haul for Peavy, Boston’s from office did a good job though I expect Peavy will pitch quite well for SF.
Man everyone is badly overpaying this trading season. Any time your ready to join the party Rube…….
He will balance it out to where the overall average for returns is even.
That’s quite the haul for a back of the rotation guy like Peavy with two months left on his contract. Escobar has always been kind of a fringy prospect, but he had great numbers prior to pitching in the PCL. He seems like a good depth guy to have.
MLB has Escobar as #75 in the top 100 and #8 LHP. Good return for the Red Sox. And not a huge loss for the Giants.
Die hard Giants fan here, I’ll be one of the few who love the deal, mainly for getting Peavy, reason being Matt Cain is currently on the 15 day DL, but who knows how long he’ll be gone for? Peavy & Bochy know each other. Great move.
Yeah I think its a great pick up, Peavy is a great competitor and giving up a #75 really isn’t much of a loss. Good solid move to keep things running, and gives the team flexibility once Cain is back.
Sox also gave 1mil to Giants with Peavy, so yeah not to bad, Peavy is a Dodger killer. Thing that will worry Giants fans is the fact look at Jason Hammel now an A’s example, he was dominate in the NL then moved to AL and look at his performance, hoping reverse with Peavy.
I think Peavy will do better as its a competitive situation but not one where its all on Peavy’s shoulders. Facing pitchers will help too. I just don’t think Hammel is a high pressure guy. He seems to buckle under stress to win.
He didn’t seem to do very well as the #3-#4 starter for a team on a World Series run. I don’t think it was the lack of a competitive situation that caused him to pitch poorly.
Mainly from what I saw when he pitched for the White Sox, but once his Sox went Red last year his numbers improved across the board sans a few more BBs/9 and a slight decrease in Ks/9 and that was going from AL central to AL east. I’m not saying he’s going to put up ace numbers, but I think its a good gamble for the Giants and Peavy has always been a very competitive guy.
MLB’s list is fairly outdated for the most part, he fell out of nearly ever other list by mid-season.
Most midseason lists are top 50 or top 75. He’s probably still a top 100 prospect.
I’d say that’s highly doubtful when you have an ERA over 5, even in the PCL. Especially when you were on the fringe to begin with.
Peavy is one of those NL pitchers ala Dickey…AJ Burnett. Im sure he will put up decent numbers
Thanks for the memories, Peavy!
Im not a Sox fan, but I am a fan of good baseball trades, and Big Ben the Cher Bear pulled off a pretty remarkable move. If it is true that San Fran is taking on all of Peavys salary and still giving up Escobar and Hembree, then regardless of how Peavy performs from now till years end, this is a BIG win for Boston. Sounds to me like Bruce got a little sentimental towards one of his former players and overly encouraged Sabs to make the move. The Cardinals have to be thinking, “Wow, we wouldnt have given NEARLY that much up to acquire Jake!” Im also guessing that the Padres and Rays are eager to see how much people would be willing to overpay them for Kennedy and Price respectively. Not knocking Jake Peavys career accomplishments, but this year he is not worth that type of money OR that large of a return in a trade. As a Bucco fan thats interested in Kennedy and or Masterson, this deal makes me nervous because of how much we might need to part with. Hopefully Huntington stands tall and wont mortgage the future if the ask is this crazy.
SF gets 1mil with Peavy, being said that, its a really good deal. The Giants fans wanted a trade they got one.
1 million bucks is still 1 million bucks, you gotta admit that throwing in 1 million bucks most certainly does not warrant the Sox getting Escobar AND Hembree! IMO, Peavy for Escobar straight up is possibly still a slight overpayment; however, getting Hembree as a throw in is pretty impressive for Big Ben the Cher Bear! (DISCLAIMER: I am a Pirates fan, NOT a Sox fan…so please Giants fans dont think Im A hater because of my opinion of the Cher Bear taking Sabs outback to the woodshed! )
Not even going to hate, I’m a Giants fan, thing is Escobar had no future with the Giants, Hembree = meh he had his shot to be a future closer but didn’t work out, we have replacements down in Fresno and lower that could work.
He’s a 22 year old in AAA and you’ve already decided that he had no future with the Giants? I think you’re reading way too much in to his PCL numbers if you really think that.
If he had a future with the team, don’t you think he would have been up already prior to this trade? The Giants already feel & said he should be up way before but never was.
LOL he’s 22 (same age as Crick) with one bad year under his belt. Not every pitcher is Madison Bumgarner.
He’s a 22 year old in AAA. The fact that he hasn’t been called up has very little to do with whether or not he had a future role to play on the team.
If the guy that is 41st out of 44 qualified american league starters in ERA fetches another team’s number 3 ( who is a top 100 pre-2014 prospect) and 11 prospects then what could a guy like John Lester or David Price fetch in a trade?
I referenced a similar sentiment in my post above 123redsox, but even the Padres holding Ian Kennedy right now could be sitting on a goldmine. Career year for Ian, and whichever team snatches him up will get him for next year too. Although Ian is not a #1 or #2 starter, his trade value in THIS current market could bring a return as though he was. As a Pirates fan, these huge overpays for starting pitching has me very nervous. I dont want Huntington to drastically overpay with our front end prospects. Very interesting market right now.
The Sox may’ve messed things up for the Yankees, then. Word is that they’ve been scouting Kennedy and even if it was doubtful that they would trade to get him back, at this point I don’t think they have the minor league talent to trade for Kennedy or anybody else of value. Makes me wonder if the Sox are stockpiling all of these pitchers and infielders in the high minors in order to make more trades for guys like Kennedy. They certainly have the depth. The difference between the Sox ‘rebuilding’ and most other teams rebuilding is that they have to turn it around fairly quickly and there’s no way that all of these talented minor leaguers are going to have a spot on the Sox’ 25-man roster this year.
Did you see what the A’s gave up for a career journeyman (Hammel) & 29 yr old pitcher with one great season (Samardjzia)?
The shark was been great since joining the A’s. They want postseason depth and that’s just what they got. The price was a bit steep but Billy is a smart man, I’d trust him.
“but Billy is a smart man, I’d trust him.” You don’t trust Cherington yet? I know he’s new but has done a great job so far.
Never said anything about Ben, not sure why you made that assumption. I’d agree with you though, I think he’s done a great job so far as well.
Wasn’t sure who you were referencing Billy against. Things get confused on the internet for sho.
For that haul I’m glad the Cards didn’t get him.
Not bad. I get to see some of the young arms take Peavy’s spot and we got something for Peavy.
Can you imagine this rotation in 2007?
I’m guessing Brian Sabean did.
I dont know about this trade. Watching SF get routed by the Dodgers last night didn’t leave me with the feeling that a SP who’s best days are behind him is the team’s biggest need.
But he was a “Dodger killer” seven years ago!
Yeah, I’d like to invite Sabean to my garage sale.
Not only would he take my junk, but I’d somehow end up in a bigger house.
I’m guessing that Sabean is under the impression that the Giants will need to beat the Dodgers in a win or go home game at some point.
Not only that, they don’t / didn’t have the prospects for Price before Peavy, Rays won’t deal Price unless they fall out of contention with wild card guessing. I don’t think Sabean is done dealing he’ll go look at 2B now I’m sure.
Could Victorino be moved as well?
Not sure what his market is with recent injury and fairly big contract. Also sox are thin in Outfield this year and next. Possible but I think not likely.
I don’t see why he would be. He’s still under contract for next year and could play a role in 2015. The Red Sox will have a bunch of money coming off the books after this year and will likely try to retool and be competitive next year.
When you see this trade and think about the fact that the Yankees got a cheaper, better and younger pitcher in Brandon McCarthy for friggin’ Vidal Nuno, who isn’t even a prospect, then you really come to realize how incompetent the D-backs’ front office is…
Or how incompetent the Giants front office is.
Great opportunity to buy a Duck Boat for pennies on the dollar.
Really good return for Boston considering Peavy’s numbers. Boston’s system sure is loaded with pitching depth now
The Giants puzzle me with their trades. They give up pitching prospects for short term rentals, then suffer because they have no pitching so they trade more pitching for more short term rentals. It’s like they are trying to make their organization worse.
That is a huge win for Boston.
Will Peavy ship his duck boat to San Francisco?
Even if both guys the Sox received end up in the pen I say it could be a win. Cost controlled arms are worth their weight anymore.
Next trade will be between LA and Cleveland. Cleveland wants a RH OF and a SP both of which they have in excess. Maybe Santana, Kipnis to LA for Ryu+Kemp. Would upgrade the Dodgers at two positions of need: 2b and C (sliding Gordon to SS and Hanley to 3b where his glove won’t hurt as much).
Wow Sabean I know we are desperate for SP but why make this deal? Peavy is mediocre this year. Boston won this trade by a big margin. (If Peavy brings us a championship this year then I guess it’s a win-win.) Also, Im wondering why Jake Peavy instead of someone like Jon Niese or a proven starter like David Price. Well anyways we got our pitching depth now, now we got to focus on getting 2nd base and bench help.
Seems like we gave up a little too much for Jake Peavy. I can only hope he can turn it around now that he is re-united with Bruce Bochy, re-united with the National League, and re-united with the NL West and warmer weather.
sabean is overrated. i cant think of an acquistion besides scutaro that worked out. this trade is horrible. sacrificing our future by depleting our already thin farm system for an aging no-talent like Peavy. he’s not even better than Petit. we dont even have him locked up for next year. Sabean shouldnt get the lion share of credit for the recent success. that credit belongs to the scouts who drafted our stars. just horrible.
You mean a reality where Sabean isn’t an infallible genius who never makes a bad move?