December 19th: The Padres officially announced their deal with King today.
December 18th: The Padres have an agreement to re-sign Michael King to a three-year contract with opt-outs after the first two seasons. The Excel Sports Management client is reportedly guaranteed $75MM.
He’ll receive a $12MM signing bonus and a $5MM salary for the 2026 season. He’d collect a $5MM buyout if he opts out of the remaining two years and $53MM. King would make $28MM in 2027 if he opts in and would then have a $30MM player option for the ’28 campaign. While the Padres have yet to announce the deal, he has reportedly already passed his physical.
It’s a surprise strike for a San Diego team that had seemed likely to lose King and Dylan Cease in free agency. It wasn’t clear whether they’d have the short-term spending capacity to keep either pitcher. While they were never expected to come close to the $210MM guarantee which Cease received, they’ll bring King back on a short-term deal to help a rotation that was their top priority.
The 2026 season will be the righty’s third in San Diego. The Padres acquired King as the centerpiece of their Juan Soto return over the 2023-24 offseason. He had run with a limited rotation opportunity late in his final season as a Yankee after years of strong work out of the bullpen. San Diego committed to him as a full-time starter and was rewarded with a career season.
King pitched to a 2.95 earned run average with 201 strikeouts over 173 2/3 innings. He finished seventh in NL Cy Young balloting and entered his walk year as a candidate for a nine-figure contract. He looked on his way to a $150MM+ deal after getting out to an even better beginning to the ’25 campaign. He turned in a 2.59 ERA while striking out 28.4% of batters faced over his first 10 starts.
The Padres scratched King from his outing on May 24 with stiffness in his throwing shoulder. Then-manager Mike Shildt initially framed it as a minor issue that arose when the pitcher slept awkwardly. It proved a much bigger problem. King went on the injured list with what the team called inflammation. They subsequently determined it was a nerve injury that came with a nebulous timeline. He wound up missing almost three months.
King made his return on August 9. He made one start before going back down with left knee inflammation. That cost him another month, and he wasn’t as effective when he made it back for good in September. King didn’t get beyond five innings in any of his final four starts. He gave up 10 runs over 15 2/3 innings. Most of the damage came in an eight-run drubbing at the hands of the Mets on September 16. King’s final two appearances were scoreless, but those came with an uninspiring 7:6 strikeout-to-walk ratio.
The Padres didn’t fully trust King going into October. They opted for Nick Pivetta, Cease, and Yu Darvish to start in their Wild Card Series loss to the Cubs. King’s only playoff action was one scoreless inning of relief in the decisive Game 3. He struck out three of four batters while averaging 95.6 MPH on his fastball. That was his highest single game velocity of the season. That’s to be expected during a one-inning appearance with the heightened adrenaline of a must-win game, but it was an encouraging sign for the health of his shoulder.
San Diego issued the $22.025MM qualifying offer. It was an easy call for King to decline in search of a multi-year deal. This arrangement functions as a bit of a pillow contract but with a much higher floor than the one-year QO would have provided. King would make $22MM if he opts out after one year. That result would be the same as if he’d accepted the qualifying offer. The extra two guaranteed seasons afford him a lot more injury protection.
King’s guarantee technically falls just shy of MLBTR’s four-year, $80MM prediction. However, the higher average annual value and the opt-outs make this a stronger overall deal for the player. He’ll have a chance to return to free agency in advance of his age-32 season and cannot be tagged with another qualifying offer. A healthier season could position him for a four- or five-year contract.
Health is no small caveat. The ’24 campaign is the only time King has reached even 105 innings in a season. While that’s in part because the Yankees used him as a reliever, King missed extended stretches in 2021 (finger contusion) and ’22 (elbow fracture) in addition this year’s shoulder woes. The Padres are taking on some injury risk but get the upside of a potential top-of-the-rotation arm on a short-term deal.
King and Pivetta project as their top two starters. San Diego has reportedly discussed the latter in trade conversations but would need a huge return to move him. Joe Musgrove is back from Tommy John surgery and slots into the #3 rotation spot. They’ll be without Darvish for the entire season, so the final two starting jobs are up for grabs. Randy Vásquez and JP Sears lead the internal options, but the Padres could look for a cheaper back-end/swing type later in the winter. They’ll surely kick the tires on controllable arms in trade, as well, as both Pivetta and King can opt out.
San Diego’s projected payroll climbs to $218MM, as calculated by RosterResource. The backloaded nature doesn’t change the $25MM AAV used for luxury tax purposes. They’re up to a projected $259MM in tax commitments. They’ll exceed the $244MM base threshold for the second straight season. Repeat payors are taxed at a 30% rate for their first $20MM in overages. Re-signing King costs around $4.5MM in taxes.
The more significant development is that it moves them closer to the $264MM second tier, at which the rate climbs to 42%. The Padres had nearly $280MM in luxury tax commitments this year, according to Cot’s Baseball Contracts. Their actual salary obligations were around $209MM, though, so it’s unclear how much more flexibility the front office has at its disposal. In addition to the need for a back-end starter, they should acquire another bat to plug in at first base or designated hitter and could use a better utility infielder than Will Wagner and Mason McCoy.
King’s deal is the second-largest of the offseason in what has been a slowly developing market for free agent starting pitchers. Cease is the only other starter who has signed for more than $40MM so far. The rotation market should pick up in the next few weeks. NPB star Tatsuya Imai needs to sign before his 45-day posting window closes on January 2. Framber Valdez, Ranger Suárez and Zac Gallen join Imai as the top unsigned arms.
Mark Feinsand of MLB.com was first on the agreement, contract terms, and the note that the physical is already complete. Image courtesy of Vincent Carchietta, Imagn Images.


Ok unless the Japanese pitcher is pretty much in the bag, I’ll be disappointed the Yanks didn’t nab King on a 3 year deal even if it was an overpay. Assuming the medicals aren’t alarming, he is exactly what the Yanks need.
Yes congratulations to King and the Padres! So much for wanting to come home to the east coast. Lol.
Cap – I don’t get it …. Peter Abraham insisted the three finalists were the Sox, Yanks and O’s!
King is from Rhode Island! He went to BC! He wants to go home!
Oh well, another free agent who didn’t “align” with the Red Sox “interest” in them ;O)
Fever- yeah not really sure what’s going on here? It’s true Red Sox, Yankees, and Orioles were the favorites. I expect Kinger to opt out if he has a great year this year and comeback home next year with the Red Sox or the Yankees.
@99 That three-team rumor post was later refuted in an update.
He won’t be opting out if there is a lockout, and that looks pretty likely.
Fever Pitch Guy: How do you know where he wanted to go? San Diego happens to be a beautiful town.
Al – Red Sox beat reporter Chris Cotillo who is usually accurate, but who knows… maybe King said that just to drive up the bidding.
This deal King signed and the one last year point to his fondness being a Padre. A 3/75 with opt outs that is backloaded beats (from the teams POV) the same structure that’s frontloaded. A straight 25m/yr deal with opt outs each year and that same 5m/buyout after ’26 I’d imagine he could have gotten from another team.
Happy to have King back and hope he shoves for 30+ starts!
He’s one classy hombre!
I love San Diego. I wish I knew the name of the Mexican restaurant my dad took me the day after a Cubs and Padres game at Petco. This was a while ago so even though I don’t know the name of it, there’s always a chance that it closed down. The only thing I remember is we got 3 massive premade shredded beef burritos that were go to and refrigerated. San Diego weather is the weather I want year round for Las Vegas.
I haven’t been to Petco yet, but I saw several games in 1994 and 1999 at Jack Murphy. Beautiful setting and underrated ballpark.
Fever Pitch Guy: Also possible that Cotillo quoted him out of context.
He could’ve said something non-commital like “I would love to come back east under the right circumstances,” and Cotillo just dropped the last four words.
99Captain Judge99: It just goes to show that you shouldn’t believe everything you read, and not all players think the Red Sox and Yankees are the be-all and end-all of places to play.
@Alfred Truer words were never spoken.
Imagine if both King and Pivetta get significant injuries in 26 and the Padres are stuck with both. A lot of money on the book for 27. Very risky in my view for a team supposedly with financial or at least cash flow short term issues. This to me suggests Pivetta will definitely be traded as previously rumored.
He gets to test free agency in a year if he has a better year and probably secure a bigger contract
Unless you’re talking about another player named King, Michael King is from Rochester NY.
@YBC- Regardless, San Diego is no place for a King.
YBC – No doubt King’s camp got wind of the report and immediately refuted it, you always want as many teams pursuing your client as possible.
King is home now in RI in December. Not a shock he chose San Diego
@PFKALD: He was born in Rochester, NY, but grew up in and went to high school in Warwick, RI before attending Boston College
Al – I’ve been to Petco, it’s a great stadium and atmosphere. I didn’t care for the location though, I don’t believe stadiums should be downtown.
FPG- the Sox would first have to offer a real contract, on paper, with lots of zeros on it, and then King could sign with them.
When you dont do those things the player can’t sign with you….
Sad – Yeah I find it hard to believe they’d spend a lot on another SP when they have infield needs that have to be addressed. King to the Sox never made sense from a team perspective.
Why would the Sox want King? They have something like 12 SP. King is a huge gamble they don’t have to take. This contract structure, given what we know of his health, is incredibly risky.
FPG – not a guy who I was hoping for anyway.
If they are making Campbell a left fielder now, we still desperately need an infielder.
Brad – the Sox are “in” on everyone! It’s because they’re not really in on anyone
The USA is no place for a King, either…
Sad – KC is a non-factor until he can re-learn how to hit. They’ve already got one sub-.700 OPS outfielder, they can’t have two.
I think KC is more likely to play 1B if Casas isn’t right.
It’s really intriguing how 3B plays out. Everything depends on Murakami, after he makes a decision (any day now) then all the other dominos (Bregman, Suarez, Okamoto, Bichette) will fall.
Imagine anyone being injured, dewey, because it’s not limited to those two pitchers or players in general. You cannot run a club on what ifs.
Al – Red Sox have been avoided by free agents for many years now.
Has there been another team that has missed out on as many in-demand free agents they’ve pursued than the Red Sox?
Bregman fell into their lap because of his desire for a one-and-done contract with his buddy Cora. Everyone else has been high risk lottery tickets coming off bad seasons and/or major surgery.
Only two teams have yet to sign a free agent to a MLB contract this offseason ….. Rox & Red Sox.
Sal – I totally agree!
I think the best approach is to avoid guys coming off bad years and avoid guys coming back from serious injuries.
Pivetta would be the safer bet than King.
San Diego was lot’s of fun when I was there. Do they still have Dick’s Last Resort? That was a really fun dive bar!
Peter Abraham like most “insiders” has no idea what he is talking about?
Sure is
JPR – Agreed! He also reported “momentum” on Xander signing with the Red Sox, which was 100% not true as the Sox never came within $120M of the Padres offer.
But Pete’s brother is still with the Sox, so he has job security.
FPG: “Has there been another team that has missed out on as many in-demand free agents they’ve pursued…?”
That can’t be quantified since there’s no official record of it, but if you ask fans of, say, 20 different teams you’ll get 20 different answers.
Al – True, but only 3 other teams have the financial resources that the Red Sox have. That’s what makes it especially frustrating for agents and fans.
FPG: I assure you that no agent is losing any sleep over it.
Al – I think it’s very frustrating for agents because they can’t use the Red Sox to drive up bidding like they used to.
There’s been so many complaints about how the Sox do business with free agents. I can’t recall similar criticism of other teams.
Key Criticisms from Agents & Insiders:
“Acting rationally will not get you free agents”: MLB insiders warn that the Sox’s cautious spending won’t secure elite talent in today’s inflated market.
“Beyond confusing”: An anonymous free agent found the Sox’s operation confusing, highlighting an external perception that Boston settles for less.
“Not willing to go to the place that other teams were”: Reportedly, the Sox offered short, low-value deals for top players like Pete Alonso, missing out on long-term commitments.
“Small-market team” mentality: The lack of aggressive spending makes agents view the Red Sox as less committed to winning big
FPG: I’ve often heard that in the NY media about the Mets, but they did OK with Lindor and Soto.
Al – Hard to believe the NY media would take that stance, considering the Mets have been Top Two in MLB payroll for the past 4 seasons. But I know NY media is not always rational. LOL
Thats a terrible deal, I thought Keller was high, Keller five pitch mix is right there with King’s stuff.
Keller looks like a coup today. In fact, I was flat wrong when I said Keller’s deal was high. What a steal. What a great trade Boston made for Oviedo. Hauser looks like a bargain too.
Petco is rated the top place to see a MLB game.
And, the food choices are many and very high quality too!
Nah, come on now. King is stud. That’s a great deal for him. Keller is a good bullpen piece, wasn’t a good starter.
He wants money. But you guys go on believing that these players care more about location and team quality than money.
And the Sox were smart not to come near that ridiculous contract the Padres gave Xander.
Sal- I truly think King is one and done in San Diego. Only way the Kinger probably stays, is if there’s a strike in 2027.
It’s not a terrible deal at all. With the money all these middling starters get I knew that King had to get more than the projected $20 million a year.
Or FPG did the Sox want to pay 22-28-30 million for a potential injury SP with opt outs after every season ? Fact is Bregman deal can also influence your offer. This is a win for King, not necessarily for the Padres. He pitches well and is healthy he opts out… he blow an arm, he opts in.
Also, on a side note – for 3/80 (which is what the deal is) sign Murakami – fills a bigger need – 3B and if HE DOES HIT LIKE HE IS PROMOTED TO DO – half that contract is paid for in new sponsorship (like Shohei in L.A.)
French – Off the top of my head I can’t think of a position player that came from Japan and signed for less than 4 years.. Don’t forget there’s the 15% posting fee on contracts over $50M.
Where are you hearing $80M/3yrs for Murakami? This site projected $180M/8yrs. BTW – He’s not very good defensively at 3B, he may play 1B whether it be platoon or fulltime depending on Casas.
King continually expressed a desire to stay in SD, he seemed to be pretty happy there
Funny how folks think that a traded away player would desire to come back. Doesn’t happen often at all.
I think working with Niebla after a year of injury and inconsistency might be a large incentive, too. I kind of had this sixth sense that due to last year’s issues, he’d stick around until he felt he was back on top with his pitching. In fact, I was a bit surprised he didn’t accept the Q.O., but that’s my ignorance and “homer” blindness. If a young man can collect $75M or more on a 3 year deal, that sets him up for a much more secure life, than $22+ million. He had to get that if he can, because the last game a MLB player plays in, always, could be his last (i.e. due to injuries, performance, all kinds of risks). This deal and the Padres system is perfect for King’s career, whatever he does long term. If he returns to top form, that 5 or 7 year, $200M+ deal, may come upon an extension with the Padres, before the end of this season.
I’m glad I went with my gut on this one in the contest! Just had that staying in SD vibe all year long to me.
Long – I had him too. I figured either he or Cease would be gone, and Cease was the most likely to leave. With Darvish missing the entire 2026 season they couldn’t possibly let both King and Cease walk.
This deal feels like he’s staying in SD one more year just to rid himself of the QO he was tethered to this year
Biggest surprise of FA so far
Money over coast
dunno ’bout that. If money was the top priority, you’d think he was going to Texas or Florida teams (no state income tax).. 😏 Personally, I think it was the Taco’s in San Diego, and … working with Niebla. 😁
@OldSaltUSN And the opt-outs!
This is a one-year $22M deal with a $53M two-year player option. That’s less than the Q.O. Sonny Gray is making $40M next season. Definitely not an overpay for a short-term commitment from the Padres
That’s not less than the QO. Do the math.
It is $25K less than the QO if you include the buyout of his player option.
This is obviously a better deal then the QO because he gets $53MM in insurance for the next 2 years
@yankeejim here’s the math, hoss:
Qualifying offer:$22.025 million
King’s guaranteed amount:$22 million
Turns out King’s guarantee for 1 year of service is less than the qualifying offer.
Yeah, he took a little less in the 1 year guarantee because he got $75M guaranteed for 3 years AND the right to hit the open market again earlier if things go right. Win-win for him!
Do you think King is losing sleep over that $25K?
YBC is technically correct by $25k, but I would say he settled for the same as the QO, plus options for more years. He tested the market, and his injury and the QO must have limited his market. He likely took the best offer that was made.
It’s not 1/$22 from the team’s perspective. The team is on the hook for the entire $75 million if King chooses to stay.
@mohoney. Yeah but roughly 25 a year isn’t bad if he stays. He probably wasn’t getting what he wanted because of the QO he’s pulling a snell. Leaving in a year.
That’s what players do now. Get an opt out after the 1st year and detach the QO and the pick. They’re playing around the dumb rules in place.
This CBA really needs to be fixed. Hopefully we dont lose a season because of it
@YBC – I retract my initial assessment, I didnt read the details, got four things going on at once this morning.
Fair deal. Good on the Padres, needed a frontline starter.
Yanks have loads of SP’s.
Not really, or at least not to start the season. Freid, Gil, Warren and Schlittler with Cole and Rondon coming back at some point and Schmidt next year. But who knows how well or when Cole and Rondon will be? I wanted the Yanks to add one more guy and of they all come back healthy and age effective, well then that’s a good problem to have. Send Warren back to the pen as a swing guy or use someone as trade bait for an impact player or a package of prospects including a future 3b perhaps? Too much pitching usually has say of resolving itself. it’s a good problem to have.
No way are Yankees going near 3/75 for King with his injury history. Padres will regret that contract!
Yes, they’ll surely regret a short-term contract…
@Anthony
His injury history, on its face, as far as public info, didn’t seem too bad. Am I missing something?
Padres did well. Rest of NL West will hold a “No Kings” rally.
As will the AL East, apparently.
I thought King would get four years and $100 million with no opt-outs. I guess others are more worried that about his long-term injury status.
It’s just the Pads looking towards a future trade! Back loaded contract! Unless he has a future no-trade, which he doesn’t.
Considering the amounts and years being thrown around for Valdez, this seems really cheap. I’m thinking teams are much more worried shout his health than earlier thought. It’s interesting that the team that knows his health best landed him.
Nah, it would have cost us 2 draft picks and international bonus pool money… King is not much of an upgrade over what we already have & who we have in the pipeline to warrant that
I would have liked King back, but I’m not disappointed. I want to see how this offseason works out overall first.
When I look at the current Yankees roster, I can see why Cashman isn’t all guns ablazing this offseason yet–and no I don’t believe Hal about the money. Right now, save the bullpen, we do have decent coverage everywhere. Cashman always says the guys coming off the IL are like new signings and this year he’s right. An outfield of Jasson-Grish-Judge is better than most already as I fully expect Jasson to get better. We have Jones we can toggle in who I REALLY want to see at the MLB level. The infield is covered right now and not terrible in McMahon-Cab-Jazz-Rice.
I do think we’re in on the Japanese stars currently and seeing how that shakes out. I have interest in all three. Bellinger as well. And if we whiff on those? There’s still other smaller pieces out there and trades that can be made. And again, we still have a pretty good roster!
That’s where I’m at and not disappointed yet. Guys are going and I’m jealous, but I know Cash isn’t on vacation. I’m trusting the process right now.
I predict Yankees get Bellinger but not Imai. I think Imai will get Dylan Cease money.
Love this. Good luck Kinger!
Glad the Cubs are out of the picture. I hope he’s healthy but I have long term doubts about his availability. Good Luck!
I agree. I’d rather see the Cubs sign Imai. I just won’t hold me breath
The longer it goes I feel the better the chance the Cubs are in. They can always offset the cost by moving Taillion and can hold the fort until Steele gets back. Horton-Boyd-Imai-Shota-Rea to start out and then Steele jumping in. Or maybe even Wicks or Assad. I can go to war with that. Why the name change sort of? LOL
That’s a good point. I like Jamo but if the Cubs sign Imai, I’d be okay with trading Jamo. Maybe get a decent backend bullpen guy for him
I don’t think it is certain how easily Taillon can be moved, nor do I think that the. UBS should move him to line Rockets’ pockets. Yes, they need one of Imai, Ranger and Framber (or Zac on a one year deal). It they need depth and should keep all of their current pitchers as well, even more so with Keller gone.
I like Framber but the Cubs don’t need 4 lefty starters.
Boyd
Steele(eventually)
Wicks(swingman)
Shōta
Without Steele for the first 2 months (roughly). They would still have 4 LHP starters if they signed Framber. Ranger Suarez is also a LHP.
I agree that Imai is best fit, but I do like Ranger a lot as well
Forget about Ranger. He’s a LH Kyle Hendricks. Been there done that, No Thank You! The Cubs don’t NEED to move Taillion to sign Imai. But it leaves a crowded room and probably shuts down more Bullpen help. I don’t want to move him either but at 18 million on an expiring deal with his stats he can moved with absolutely no problem. Pretty sure the Orioles would take him no questions asked. Probably the Tigers too.
Not to mention if you told Taillion look, After 2026 we’ll have 3 openings in our rotation and basically a blank payroll for 2027, Call us first for your next contract if you want back in. Depending on how it all goes down. I’m pretty sure the Cubs would rather deal Shota than Taillion but he can’t be traded until the trade deadline basically. I don’t really think Hoyer expected him to take the QO and it threw a monkey wrench into everything. If Shota was gone and the Cub had another 22 million to spend we wouldn’t even be talking and Keller would probably still be here. Bad move again Jed. Shota can’t be traded without his permission anyway until 6/15. I wonder………If they could move him to the AL if someone would give him an extension? Can’t hurt to ask.
I don’t think there’s any way the FO did not think there was a good chance Shota would take the QO. And with the way he pitched the last couple of months? Unless he suddenly finds the velocity he lost, his trade value will be minimal… And Taillon saved their butts in the second half. And since they can’t count on Steele, trading Taillon would be very risky- even if Hoyer gets another strong starter. And I won’t believe that last part til I actually see it.
Would still be nice to have Taillion AND that 22 million though wouldn’t it?
Of course. I didn’t want the guy back but they took the risk. So be it. Heck, they seem to help a lot of reclamation projects- maybe they’ll help him..
If Cubs want to compete, there is a chance that Shota will be in bullpen in June. Taillon is needed for 2026.
Horton should be healthy but is due to slightly regress to the mean. Steele is coming off injury. Boyd was never an innings eater. Rea and Assad are swing guys.
Imai is the target but Ranger, Framber and Gallen have to be considered as alternative if Tutsuya Imai has a $210 million suitor like Cease.
There is no chance of him ending up in the bullpen. I have a better chance of hooking up with Margot Robbie.
Saying “no thank you” to a lefty Kyle Hendricks is a wild take whether or not Ranger is actually a lefty Kyle Hendricks. He averaged over 3 bWAR a season in his first 7 seasons with the Cubs before age and injury inevitably caught up to him.
I don’t think Suarez is a lefty Kyle Hendricks, though he has been consistently good to excellent over the last 5 seasons.
Imai’s contract plus the other 2 NPB players deals (or not) will set the market and suddenly stimulate the Winter Stove. And the Framber’s and Bo’s are simply waiting to see what that price tag is and adjust to it. If I was Red Sox I would pay Murakami and say to Bregman you had your chance but decided to opt out…
Being good over a number of seasons doesn’t automatically make a guy into Kyle Hendricks, righty or lefty.
I really don’t get the obsession with Kyle Hendricks.
Maybe this opens the SP market. Very reasonable deal. So much for the Padres crying poverty.
Everyone was crying poverty about the Padres EXCEPT for the Padres. Greupner has stated several times that there are no payroll reduction mandates, and a competitive roster increases the value and sale price for the Seidlers.
Padres take on a ton of risk in this deal. Best outcome for both sides is King has a great year and opts out but if he gets hurt SD is on the hook for some real money in 27 & 28.
It would seem to me that the best case scenario for the Padres world be that King has an outstanding year and opts in. They get both a great year from him and get him back at a reasonable $28 million for a top of the rotation starting pitcher.
@Baseballisthebest There is less than a one percent chance that King “has an outstanding year and opts in.”
FRJ
A reasonable person would expect the best case scenario to be somewhat unlikely
Juan, doesn’t seem that Fernando is a reasonable person.
“If he gets hurt”.
Just how is that different from any SP these days? They are all 1 pitch away.
If you have had foreman injury then you are actually at a higher risk. If you have had it and had surgery, you might be safe for a year and then right back into the high risk pool.
2 types of pitchers – those that have had TJ (or other) and those that are going to have it!
Baseball is the best
He is not.
But he is correct in this instance. If King is amazing in 2026, he will cash in by opting out.
This is nice but I’ll say those opt-outs read like Pads ownership wanting an escape hatch in case they decide to trim payroll more in the next couple of years.
I read it as a player opt out, not a team opt out.
The team gets good press for signing him and a relatively blame-free way of getting out from under his contract if they don’t feel like paying him anymore. If he’s good and opts out, well, they tried to keep him in town, but he decided to chase the money and go elsewhere. If he isn’t great and opts in, staple a couple of prospects to him and ship him out for salary relief in a couple of years.
I read it as Christmas has arrived! Thanks AJ and Co. for making this happen. Kick the drama down the road and let us get ready for 2026 and the Cactus League!LFGSD!!!
It should open the SP Market through FA and Trade. Imai has until Jan 2 also before his posting period ends. Also should see Murakami sign by this weekend as his posting is up on Monday I believe. Will be a busy MLB and sports weekend.
Was thinking something similar re opening up the market but the AAV strikes me as high. (—O’s fan wanting Framber)
King was awesome but his injury last year is a red flag, imho. I hope he’s healthy and effective for the Padres.
His time between the Yankees and Padres has some interesting parallels:
NYY – 247.2 IP, 1035 batters faced, 1.19 whip, 10.2 k/9
SD – 247 IP, 1034 batters faced, 1.19 whip, 10.1 K/9
Strange how similar those sets of numbers are especially when you consider he was mostly a reliever with the Yanks and a pure starter in SD.
Wow, that is very interesting…. Kind of like Kris Davis hitting .247, or whatever it was, for three years in a row with the A’s.
I wonder if any other pitcher, given the same sample size, has ever done that in both roles… I’d bet not.
Amazing Papi
That’s wild.
Holy overpay
No way it’s an overpay. Clever deal. Fits the Padres starter needs and allows king to establish and test the market again if he wants to. Good deal all the way around.
Frankie Montas says what?
What a ridiculous comparison.
At least the padres still dip their toes into the market
The Yankees inaction is killing me. Somehow I don’t think we’re getting the Japanese guy either. Hal has set the bar at 90 wins to maximize revenue, actually winning the WS isn’t in the budget.
He’s actually one of the poorest owners in baseball. I think he ranks like 28th on the list. Billionaire problems am I right?
I don’t care if you own the Yankees you get all that revenue from being the most iconic franchise in sports it’s weird that they don’t have a sense of urgency
@Jersey – Hal has hinted that he wants to keep payroll below $300M. Not sure if this is actual annual cash salaries, or if it is a $300M CBT threshold. If they are serious about re-signing Bellinger then that doesn’t leave them a lot of room to bring in other big fish especially if that $300M inferred ceiling is relative to the CBT threshold.
Lip service from Hal. The team hasn’t had a payroll below $300M since he made that statement.
Dorothy: Yeah I’ve heard they want to get out of the highest penalty bracket. I’ve heard more about payroll and luxury tax from Hal than I’ve heard about championships.
Yankees revenues and TV money have to be among the highest in MLB. The could afford to do more.
Lockout on the horizon,
At least the Yankees have signed a free agent this off-season.
Craig Breslow must be waiting for .. 2026? To sign a free agent.
Joe, is signing a free agent a necessity? Is it too late to make any additions? Are all the FA that are a fit for the Red Sox already signed?
Breslow has made 2 solid additions to the rotation already. He has 2 months before spring training starts. I think we will be ok.
But please don’t let that stop you from panicking.
The Sox needed an actual number 2 pitcher and some power RHB to fill out the lineup.
The Red Sox are one of the most profitable MLB teams.
The quickest and easiest way to address these roster holes is through free agency. They keep depleting the farm system to get mediocre pitching depth. Thank God they spent two good trade chips and 20MM on Sonny Gray, a guy who will probably be saying how he didn’t want to go to Boston in a few years. The guy couldn’t keep the ball in Busch against NL Central teams, you think he’s going to do well in Fenway against the Yankees and Blue Jays? Look at his numbers in Fenway
We have seen this same story for the last two off-seasons with Breslow, and since 2020 with the Red Sox in general.
This isn’t a new philosophy, the Red Sox are just cheap now. Whatever they can do to help diversify FSG’s portfolio, as long as they don’t have to actually invest in the Red Sox roster.
Breslow got an actual #2 and an actual #4. One season of ERA is not the best indicator of future performance. His FIP and peripherals, including HR% were all in line with his career numbers. His spray charts show he would have done just fine in Fenway. He would have had 1 less HRs allowed.
Everything else I said stands.
Its obvious that you have already forgotten that Breslow signed a top 3 FA last year after spring training started.
You can panic if you want. I prefer to live in reality. The Red Sox are just fine. We need a RHB and Breslow has 2 months to find one in time for spring training. Maybe a 1B as well if he doesnt believe Casas can handle it. Come back in April and let’s see where we are.
His HR rate, which was 15th worst in the majors, is online with his career numbers? Yikes.
His career numbers at Fenway: 0.895 OPS against, 6.84 ERA, 1.823 WHIP, 6.5 SO/9. Yikes.
Breslow has Bregman fall into his lap because he signed a player friendly deal because the market for him didn’t develop as expected. That isn’t some magical win for Breslow. They also gave up a 2nd round pick and IFA money for one year of Bregman, how did that turn out? They failed at the trade deadline, and fell well short of the preseason expectations from most media outlets which was an AL pennant.
I have seen how Breslow operates and prefer to be proactive in my complaints so thar we have receipts when he shows yet again that he’s in way over his head.
If you don’t know how to look up stats, maybe you shouldn’t comment.
Did I…. Not just look up his career numbers at Fenway, and cite that his HR/9 in 2025 was 15th worst in the league?
My lord.
You were wrong joemo. You were looking at only at the 47 pitchers with a qualifying number of IP. If you looked at the 119 SP that started on the opening day rosters and threw at least 100 IP, Gray was not in the bottom 50. MLB average for DP was 1.25 HR/9. He gave up 1.25. He was exactly average.
If all you want to look at is the 47 pitchers with a qualifying number of IP, then look at a stat that matters like FIP. Gray was the 11th best in MLB at a 3.39 FIP.
Siera, which has shown to be the best predictive stat for SP? A 3.29 or 6th best.
How about K/9? Gray was 9th best.
BB/9? Gray was 5th best.
K/BB? Gray was 4th best.
His BABip at .332 was 3rd worst among pitchers with a qualifying number of innings pitched. That means the Cardinals defense was extremely porous with him on the mound. Hard for a pitcher to get outs when the defense doesn’t make outs on balls in play. If the Cardinals defense was league average with Gray on the mound, what would that have meant? 23 fewer hits. I wonder how many fewer runs would have been scored if the defense was just average?
Why is it all you want to talk about is HR/9? Is it because every other stat shows you are full of it?
Look at StatCast and you will see that if he pitched in Fenway Gray would have given up 2 fewer home runs in 2025 than he did pitching in Busch.
Is there some reason that all you do is moan and cry? Especially when the team you supposedly root for was in the playoffs and it they stopped making any other additions would still be a likely playoff team?
Maybe you are really a Yankee fan and just want to try to knock the Red Sox for some reason.
Maybe you get your rocks off by constantly beotching?
Try being an Angels fan for a year or two. Your entire schtick would have to change.
Why would I care about pitchers who only threw an arbitrary amount of innings? If you set the IP to only 1 then he’s 377th!
Being a strikeout pitcher, stats like FIP will favor Gray. Throughout usi career, his ERA is constantly higher than his FIP.So what, he’s constantly unlucky? His BABIP the last 3 years has been around 0.300, purring him again in that top 15 or so in the league. So he’s just been unlucky for the last three years?
The Red Sox had a horrible infield defense last year, so I don’t think that you can just assume his BABIP will magically decrease this year.
Again, my point with the HR is he will be playing in a hitter friendly park against offenses like the Yankees and Blue Jays instead of the much weaker competition in the NL Central. The Yankees, Blue Jays and Orioles ranked in the top 8 for HR in 2025. The NL Central teams were nowhere close to that.
I moan and cry because these moves are not moved that big market teams like the Sox should be doing to fix their issues. They make money like crazy off the Sox, they need to start actually reinvesting it in the Red Sox instead of Liverpool, buying new sports teams, etc.
Imai has until January 2 to sign and will likely wait until then to make a decision. The Yankees want Belli back but aren’t going to bid against themselves. There’s still a lot of name players available. This is how the offseason plays out every year
Belli likely won’t sign until after Tucker does. Boras will wait it out per usual.
Jersey John
I think it is tacky or lazy to call Imai the “Japanese guy”.
Mlb: I couldn’t remember the exact spelling and felt it better to not guess wrong while commenting from my phone. People are looking to be offended if everyone knows who I meant but wants to pearl clutch because I don’t have his name tip of my tongue.
jj
” I couldn’t remember the exact spelling and felt it better to not guess wrong while commenting from my phone. ”
So, “lazy” then
blah blah… Yanks have signed a major FA every year. Saying you would love to stay under the $300 mil threshold I’m sure it’s a sentiment every owner would say but whether they list it preclude them from improving the team won’t be told until the smoke clears. And FA isn’t the only to fill a need. Red Sox made a great trade last year to get Crochet.
Good for them. Curious what the rest of their budget is like this off-season.
Pads are the kings of the backload. I wouldn’t have accepted a backloaded deal if I were king with the looming lockout.
hence the “player” options for next two years.
I’m talking about collecting MORE upfront rather than later. There’s a pretty decent chance no major leaguer receives their full salary next year. Better to collect more dollars this year.
Bargain. King (if healthy) is twice as good as Cease.
lol
Not quite. But, King does have lower ERAs in his two seasons as a starter than any year for Dylan Cease except Cease’s 2022.
If King can hold that trend and do anything approaching Dylan’s innings pitched, he’ll be quite good.
He was certainly better than Cease during their time in SD
Some fun stats of the past two years in San Diego for these guys:
Cease: 7.3 h/9, 1.0 hr/9, 3.4 bb/9, 11.1 k/9, 1.19 whip, .219/.293/.364, .657 OPS
King: 7.5 h/9, 1.1 hr/9, 3.2 bb/9, 10.1 k/9, 1.19 whip, .222/.297/.361, .658 OPS
Cease’s era was a lot higher 3.98 versus 3.10 which seems odd with how similar all those numbers are.
The biggest difference comes down to mostly those 2024 playoffs and the difference in how each pitched. One looked like vintage Kevin Brown, the other, not so much.
Being able to minimize damage in trouble innings is a talent King seems to have over Cease
pp
Useful stats:
Player: ERA-, FIP&, xFIP-, fWAR
Cease: 99, 82, 85, 8.1
King: 78, 90, 91, 4.7
fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&st…
Stoked on this for the Pads! Talk in San Diego is that Pivetta had to go before any spending could happen. Unless AJ already has a Pivetta Mets deal on simmer. Thought he was going back to the Yanks! Look for Darvish to retire and work with the team in some capacity.
Too bad Michael didn’t sign with the Mets. Then he’d be King of Queens
*golf clap*
Or the newest pit boss at Uncle Steve’s casino.
youtu.be/RgZZBwG7slY?si=5Ch3dE7x3EX5ZWuJ
There you go
Did San Diego sign him just to trade him to the Mets lol. Wasn’t San Diego looking to reduce payroll
Where did you read that they were trying to reduce payroll?
This is huge! Thought we were gonna have to wait for the last minute end of spring training mega trades! Preller is ready to let loose.
Could end up being 1yr/22mil for SD
Or 3/75
Thats how you GM
Or pay him 75 million to rehab from TJ surgery. Not how you GM.
That’s how you GM? I think you mean “that’s how you agent”.
If things don’t go well, King gets $75M for a sure – he’s now made for life. And if things go well, he can get the sort of deal he had probably been hoping for now (before health messed up his 2025).
There’s no lose for him in this deal. But if he struggles and/or has more injury problems, he’s going to get his from SD over the next three years.
I’m not saying that’s a bad deal, but it’s an incredibly player-friendly structure (especially for a pitcher). Yeah, GMs can get deals done when they’re willing to give players great deals!
? Working as “partners” and not as “enemies” is a difficult concept?
This will do. I approve of this happening happening.
Padres ownership doing what they always do, overpay.
Mike Clevinger got $12 million from the White Sox coming off of a season lost to surgery followed by a mediocre season in which he got destroyed in the NLCS.
This is not an overpay. It’s just surprising the Pads pulled off paying.
Hey remember when mlbtr told readers padres were acting poor cause of financial issues? What happened to the financial issues?
Why are you here?
Accountability.
Writing inaccurate narratives isn’t a good business model, even if it’s far and few between.
None of their sites claim to be news sites, as per their names mlb/pro football/pro hockey RUMORS. They report what other sites have mentioned as possibilities, and add some news on it when trades happen or injuries occur, or their own perspective of said actions. I’d bet your projections are wrong as often if not more than the gentlemen writing here.
Spreading false rumors isn’t a good business practice esp when you publish a piece saying
“The Mets and Padres have been discussing the possibility of a trade that would send established talent to New York while San Diego obtained MLB-ready younger talent and some salary relief. According to The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal, Dennis Lin, and Will Sammon,”
Only to have yourself and your sources disproven 6 days later lmao. Like couldn’t even last a week without being wrong.
“Padres are looking to shed salary……..and they added King on a 3 year 75 mill deal to shed salary”
Cause that’s what teams looking to shed salary do. Add salary.
My job isn’t dependent on being right about things I publish. Theirs is. See the difference?
They aggregate what others report. They did their job here
But you know that because you are a troll
johnrealtime is such a real man he comments and blocks so tuff so macho so masculine
Anyways. Pushing false rumors that have no substance is bad business John. I’m sorry that upsets you.
we’re really doing the “definition of a rumor” argument again? In this economy?!
Smart teams and POBs can do both: sign free agents and trade to get younger, cost controlled players.
Say piece stating that Padres and Mets were in discussions where Padres would acquire young cost controlled talent and trade a few more expensive veterans,’
That could still happen.
When you publish it multiple times it’s no longer a rumor it’s treated as fact being spread throughout the industry further spread by mlbtr
If you want to constantly spread false information padres were looking to shed salary from Tats Jr to Cronenworth to Pivetta
12/10/25 – “perhaps the teams reported willingness to move players making more significant salaries like cronenworth and poverty will allow them to shed salary the sort of salary needed to add a starter or two in free agency”
12/9/25 – Seidler said padres will spend at same levels
Mlbtr “that doesn’t mean the padres won’t still be looking to shed or re allocate some payroll space as evidence by reports that club is open to moving cronenworth and pivetta”
It stopped being a rumor when you perpetuate the same idea over and over again as if it was fact even disproven by the owner himself
Huh
Yeah
Muted
JuanUribeJazzHands
This isn’t an airport no need to announce your departure. You won’t be missed though.
Everyone here may have their own definition of “rumor”, “true”, “speculation”, “false”, etc. because in the context of “things that might happen”, there are not concrete definitions of any of these things.
I don’t particularly care what your definitions of these are, just that it is overall a fruitless endeavor to quibble over their definitions, when the context in which we are quibbling is “things that might happen but are not guaranteed to happen”.
TL:DR we are, in fact, having the “definition of a rumor” argument again.
I have to jump in on this too. Why are you here? You obviously don’t know Baseball like you think you do., My friend hit it on the head Not with a hammer but with the biggest sledge hammer one can find.
You seem to only want to provoke arguments, You haven’t backed anything your saying is wrong. here is a hint – “when you bring your meal to the table make sure it doesn’t include contaminated meat” In other words, No what the hell your serving.
Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit so I’ll forgive you and blame it on the CA education system.
“Mlbtr spread false rumors about padres financial issues.” Even listen a couple examples from their articles where they pushed the narrative strongly.
Move along if you’re gonna show off your illiteracy boy
First off ! My reading comprehension is much better than yours apparently. I have a Masters in Political Science and I’ve NEVER been in the CA Education System. My education is from a University you might of heard of “THE OHIO STATE”
You state that Mlbtr spread false rumors about the Padres Financial issues” Heck I think those are actual facts (You do know what “actual facts” are don’t you?) those facts was actually verified by the Padres Front Office. So again, to come onto a platform just to try make a name for yourself with challenging the truth of said platform that just so happens use the word “Rumors” in the platform title you really need to know that isn’t a great place to do that at.
Oh – you really need a reality check. Being 63 yrs old and a professional in my working field – Serving 25 yrs in the US ARMY really doesn’t give you any right to refer to me as Boy. so rather than put more shame you . Just maybe you need to move on.
Look kid if you’re unhappy with wanting accountability that’s a you issue mute button exists feel free to use it. You won’t be missed. Just remember this isn’t an airport terminal no need to announce your departure and commenting before blocking is cowardly behavior.
Who in the heck told you that constantly publishing informations multiple times is no longer a rumor its treated as facts.? My goodness you really need to just stop. the only thing your doing is confusing yourself. How about this ; google what the actual meaning of “Rumors” is – Ask AI how many times information on topics being reported as “Rumors” have to be reported before that information should be treated as facts. SMH
MLBTR you need to understand that insisting everything coming out as Rumors normally are just that rumors is wrong only makes users such as you look dumber than the your seeing in the mirror.
Grow up dude. You need to learn to go troll other sites that might have people who post on that has an “identity” / self esteem problem such as yourself – You just might get friends there.
I’m honestly going to say this and you should take this as wisdom NOT as being picked on. Your trying to make a name with a topic that houses very intelligent individuals and all your doing is showing how dumb one person can be.
I couldn’t of said it any better than this. “In this Economy”?! He’s definitely well out of his league.
And where are we going to find “accountability” in your posts? You have to know what the hell your talking about before you can find accountability in that person.
Your so lucky all this is on the internet. BECAUSE you know what KID (INFANT) I don’t like you and I’m sure I speak for a lot of others here, hell I will even go a little further with saying that probably includes your parents. (Not liking you!!)
and as for the mute button. consider it done after this reply. I have much better things to do than to argue with someone that has an IQ of termites loving concrete.
Spreading false rumors is bad business practices
If you’re gonna spread false rumors after ownership debunks them you should write a retraction or stop spreading them
My job isn’t dependent on accuracy regarding news stories. If I’m bad at my accounting job I get fired, or killed by the cartel
Pretty sure if you read the articles, they state that they are relaying information from other news sites, not that they are reporting the information themselves. They even include links to the news articles they collect the information from. But you continue being mad at a free to access website for relaying news they are simply passing on and not trying to break themselves.
And let me guess – You don’t consider yourself to be a troll ? You come at people with this ” I know better than you’ attitude yet, so far I haven’t read a dam thing from you to prove me wrong about you.
I just pass on things that I hope will trigger “mature” conversation about and that I’ve researched to see if others might have more to add or make adjustments to the conversation. I’m not here to be called out of my “user ID” name nor am I here to contend in “Sandlot” battles with those who might of been left behind in PE class take that as you may but before trying to disrespect someone you might want to re-think your strategy.
thank you for bringing this guys true character public. I’m new to this platform and will probably end my visits after my membership ends just because of people like “johnrealtime” I just wanted to find a sports platform that topics can be discussed about with no name calling of other users, and the responses are given in a more rational/mature way.
Yours is exactly what I’m talking (In a good way of course) so thank you again and I do look forward to more of your posts/replies.
lol – I feel the same way – I find it interesting to see/hear others definition of what a “Rumor” entails vs. what they think it means.
I really didn’t come here to debate over definitions of words I came to post on things I’ve heard that might be true or rumor and hopefully read intelligent responses from others.
Well, there you have it: A player going out of his way to screw up MLBTR’s free agent predictions contest.
it’s a conspiracy …
I agree. Anyone who got this one right should be investigated for insider trading.
You should be given some kind of award for pointing out the obvious
Not an overpay at all. He is a solid number 2. I expected 4 and 110 as a floor. He does have injury history but that’s a steal for the Madres
Right up until he opts out.
Creative contract, but player friendly.
If he pitched well enough to believe he can get more than $58 million guaranteed, it would have been team friendly too. A win-win.
Maybe for 2026
So were rumors padres were discussing moving pitching to get some salary relief
Everything is on the table.
Teams do both.
Phillies just traded reliever to Royals for a cheaper reliever and money saved probably targeted for signing free agents
either theri own or someone on the outside market.
LOL Pads Fans on his 248th account still telling his crazy stories about seeing Padres players, managers, coaches and executives out in the wild and calling players and their wives by their first names as if he is on some kind of first-name-basis with them.
Like this comment – The Padres really never said they was willing to MOVE pitchers. The Padres really don’t have any Pitchers to move that would give this “Salary relief” you are mentioning.
What was mentioned in Rumor form is “Off Loading” our high salary players (Machado, Tatis Jr. Bogerts Cronenworth.) to provide Salary relief BUT that Idea went out the door quick.
See, when you “WANT” to call a platform wrong (again) you really do need to know what the heck is really going on around those teams. This is why on this platform – your dealing with Professionals that have been around the leagues and the word “rumors” is exactly what they hear around the league which happens to be more of truth than you trying to prove them wrong.
Great news.
… while Craig Breslow sleeps.
Red Sox and Rockies are the only teams to not sign a free agent.
In the Rockies’ defense, they’ve been busy shaking up their front office. 😜
Hey, I have a theory why the Rockies haven’t signed any free agents yet…”Not to many of the remaining free agency left willing to go to a team that SUCKs
Duran could be traded,
But Red Sox have set his price too high.
Duran has averaged 6.7 WAR the last 2 years. He has been a top 10 player. He has 3 years of team control. Do you expect them to set his price low?
Yes! Yes I do. To the Angels in fact. For Schanuel and some stale peanuts. After all the Red Sox need a 1B. Ok, ok. We will throw in Drew Pomeranz too.
Nice for the Padres but there’s a real feeling of kicking the can down the road for them.
Been hearing that for 3 years.
just wait for three more
Yeah well in 3 years from now that would be fine. If the padres have 9 years of good baseball that’s better than any previous stretch in their history. Yes it’s a low bar but the fans love their padres in San Diego.
This is a prelude to a trade. Pivetta ito the Mets for younger pitching.
maybe yes
Doubtful, at best.
Imai
Imai + Arraez + scour the fringes for that 40th Man then wait for pitchers and catchers to report 😜
Sounds good to me.
Man that sounds super – I have been advocating for the Padres to sign Imai as for Arraez that would really be a bonus.
They still need 2 more SPs even if they don’t trade Pivetta
Yep. I’m thinkin’ King, Pivetta, Imai, Framber, Musgrove, Valdez, Mendez/sears 1-7
Anything is possible with preller.
Doing this deal gives him a bit more security. If he was to trade Pivetta it’s always been that would be to get a young starter. Then use the money saved on a top free agent.
Could be he will keep both or he got the free agent before the trade.
Keep in mind there are still several other options if Preller wants to free up anymore money.
Exactly, Simm. And after this King signing Preller won’t deal Pivetta unless he gets an absolute stud starting pitching prospect in return. Preller, fortunately for us Padres fans, really holds all the cards in any potential deal involving Pivetta. If it’s the Mets asking about Pivetta and they don’t have McLean as part of the deal then Preller says no thank you and have a nice day/year. I’m loving where we’re at now.
When you consider this signing comes on the heels of even more ownership instability (announcement they were looking at selling) it’s even more surprising we’re at where we are. Roki Sasaki flatly stated ownership instability as his reason last off season for not choosing the Padres. I’m very relieved that this current Padres ownership group really means what they say. They were honest about spending in spite of going through the early stages of possibly selling. Those things just don’t usually go together in my experience as a baseball fan of 50+ years. YAHOO!
Think the biggest thing besides making the padres better is it shows other players the padres aren’t in sell off mode.
So even if the Padres are for sale they are still gonna try and win.
YES. And that is HUGE!
@winniejones31 Who is trading an “absolute stud starting pitching prospect” for a guy with an opt-out clause????
Nolan McLean would never in a million years be included in a Nick Pivetta trade. He’s already a better pitcher.
Younger pitching and also some younger position player talent.
I think the QO attached limited his potential suitors. Combine that with his injury, and this deal makes a lot of sense. If he’s healthy, he opts out and hits FA with no QO attached and gets a bigger deal
I like this deal for both sides.
I LOVE it! YEAH!
Provided King is healthy going into the 2026 season we now have a quality top 3 in our rotation with Pivetta, Musgrove and now King. Awesome!
What a relief! Speaking of relief, we didn’t have to give up any blue-chip RPs to acquire King. Love this!
Won’t be completely surprised if Pivetta is moved. King is effectively cheaper for just this season and the idea has been floated.
Might happen
Really like this…
There’s more to this nerve thing. There has to be something in the medicals that teams don’t like for this deal at less than QO value.
Well the padres know the player right now better than any other team. Plus he has passed his physical so I don’t think that’s the issue.
This is an interesting deal. There’s no question King could have received a larger guarantee from other clubs. I’m guessing that he feels like he has to rebuild his value to get to the annual salary and term he is looking for, so he is basically taking a QO offer from them (1 year, $22M) and if 2026 goes according to plan, he will opt out and get a 4+ year deal at a larger AAV.
If it doesn’t go according to plan, he has financial security with the player options worth $28M & $30M respectively for 2027-2028. I bet AJ is trying to move Pivetta now to save some money.
He wasn’t expected to come anywhere close to cease? He’s making 1 million dollars less per year than cease. (Cease makes 26 per year before some of it gets invested)
They mean total contract value, not average annual value.
The difference is in the years. Plus not a single padres fan would take cease over king at the same salary for 1-2-3 and even 7 years.
King is the better pitcher when comes to getting actual results. Cease is the better bet to stay healthy. 7 years is a very long time for a pitcher. Padres are betting on one good year, possible pain if it’s one bad year.
I agree. I think Cease actually got that contract because hes getting paid on upside. I just made my comment because of all the so called budget constraints. Also because I don’t even think they’re comparable. King over cease is an easy one
They won’t get credit for being wrong though
Nice.
I like it when players stick around.
Aloha Gwynning bradduh and all the Padres fans, very happy for you that King re-signed! I’d like him on our Cubs. Hopefully Imai will come to Wrigley now. Again congratulations, nice Christmas present! Mahalo!
Mahalo nui loa cuz! 🤙🏽😎🤙🏽
I hope we can still sign Murakami (Japanese infielder) as well. The EVT has stated we’re one of a handful of teams that are in the running. Pittsburgh’s presence as one of the interested teams does make me nervous though. They are still looking for some power bats.
Not as long as Yu Darvish is around
That could happen soon (retirement announcement).
@winniejones31 Not a chance
Let’s just get one thing straight
Nothing Michael King does in San Diego the next 3 years counts towards the Soto trade. Yes, even if he goes crazy and wins a Cy Young one of these years. The book is closed on that part of the trade.
Yes, this is very important information.
I think it is. We both know that if King pitches well the Preller fanboys are going to continue to bring it up to try and defend trading for Juan Soto.
Common, you don’t think king pitching in San Diego the last 2 years had anything to do with him signing back there?
This deal looks like a deal he could have gotten other places and he chose the padres. Likely because he likes it there…because of the trade allowing him to experience San Diego.
@Simm Not. One. Bit.
@Fernando
I’ll defend it right now by saying they were trying to win a World Series. That is the sort of thing you do when you are trying to win a World Series.
This transaction does still factor into the value of trading away Juan Soto, by any reasonable assessment. King can’t take a liking to pitching for San Diego to return in free agency if he never pitches for them in the first place.
The Nationals are right there in the cellar if you want to go root for them and James Wood.
@ISD And yet, they didn’t win a World Series. They didn’t even make one.
This transaction doesn’t factor into the value of trading away Juan Soto at all. King signed with SD because they offered the most favorable contract. He never said “I wouldn’t have signed here if they hadn’t traded for me first” or anything to that effect. They could have offered him the most favorable contract without trading for Juan Soto and then trading him for King.
The Soto trade is the only reason the Nationals didn’t go 0-162 last year. Flags obviously fly forever but that trade and having the gall to let Rendon walk were the only good things Mike Rizzo did after winning that championship.
@Ring
King literally said exactly that, that he felt comfortable being in SD. It is not even guaranteed he is a starter come free agency without his trade to San Diego. “Events don’t matter because you don’t want them to matter” doesn’t work in the world outside your head.
Grisham still counts for the Yankees too, and will for as long as he remains a Yankee.
He never said those words. He said he felt comfortable being in SD but lots of guys have said the same thing about their current team and then went elsewhere.
If he’s not a starter come free agency he’s probably cheaper. So Preller screwed the pooch both ways.
OBVIOUSLY Grisham still counts for the Yankees! He’s never been a free agent. If he had declined the QO and then re-signed with NYY it’d be different.
What is the Sox and the Yanks waiting on?
Truly the worst off-season so far in a decade…
I bet Gwynning is stoked bruh
💯
Haven’t seen towinagin (sp) in awhile. I hope his lamenting has leveled off a bit for his family’s sake.
Hell yeah.
Terrible deal for the Padres ..great deal for King though. If he has another injury riddled year the only way to deal him will be to eat most of the remaining deal..$$$! King is guaranteed $75m and the Padres get zero insurance. Great work by whomever the agent is.
Toronto had to commit $210 million to get Cease who is a workhorse but not consistently good. King is better but an injury concern exists. The marketplace result is rarely too high or too low, just the cost of all starting pitching has gone up.
And tickets, and parking, and , and, and …
Cease>king.
But, at $210 million, is Cease better than “Three Kings”, do you hear what I hear?
Anyone who has watched cease and king pitch the last two years would never pick cease over king. That’s a fact and would be true if you polled padres fans that have watched the last two years. I can say that even with kings injury plagued season.
Much of Cease’s value is the fact that he’s a consistent innings eater…you can count on him for 30+ starts every year. King does not offer that.
Until you can’t…there is real risk with any pitcher. Especially over 7 years.
Cease has remained healthy, that’s his greatest attribute. As far as consistency, he’ll strike out 9 in 4 innings of shutout ball then out of the blue go walk double HR in the 5th.
With each passing day i pray for a salary cap in mlb (small market fan)
@Carlos- “Salary Cap” who writes for you.? MLBPA will NEVER EVER agree to a cap. The players hold all the cards.
Its a broken nation
San Diego was nothing but a small market team forever. They are still a small market media city.
The difference is the padres fans show up. Second on attendance at nearly 3.5m. It’s created high enough revenue that the padres can have a top 10 payroll every year.
If you risk your money, sign players that have fan appeal every small market team could do the same or close to it (maybe not Miami for some reason, perhaps the rays because of their stadium). Certainly can be done in places like Pittsburgh.
They are a small but very affluent market.
You mean for the owners profits? Are we going to cap those, too? Because the players make the owners rich
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Boob is wrong? I am shocked.
But how much is deferred? In all seriousness tho damn this is an overpay but hey good for the fans I guess
Quite the overpay imo…
This is basically in line with his market. It’s a very fair deal. Neither under pay nor overpay. The right structure to it, etc.
Harris didn’t give him his chance to be on a rotation with Skubal…..so sad.
You could do worse than to live in San Diego making $22 million.
Argue the only thing better is if you had 22×7 so you could play the rest of your career there. Buy a house in Coronado and live like a king.
I’m afraid Thoracic Outlet Syndrome surgery is in his future. Wouldn’t have signed him.
The labor situation may impact this.
If there’s no baseball for a big chunk of 2027, does he opt out for the safe $5mm?
Well that is another correct guess in the contest (4), most i have ever had and still time to add at least 1 or 2 more!!!
It’s a great deal for King, not sure about the Friers though time will tell. He’s getting a boatload of money for a potential 3 year deal and he’s playing for a potential contender in a beautiful city with great weather. The R Sox really need some rotation help so they gotta move on Fram or whoever else is out there or get creative. That could be said for a few other teams as well. The Yankees on paper Have one of the best SP rotations in the league m. Granted a few of their starters won’t be ready till after the season gets started, they have to work on that BP after losing three of their BP to FA already and still haven’t made a move other than to re-sign Yarbrough. Focusing here on pitching. That’s just the way this low born peasant of a baseball fan sees things.
Wow, I snooze out early last night, what an unexpected deal to wake up to. I saw it on FB first blurry eyed and I thought I read Red Sox, but good for the Pads to strike. Definitely good for them this season and then we’ll see.
Definitely would have liked to see him back to NY but honestly it’s all good. I’m less worried about a big rotation addition than getting a bat.
Good move by Padres. Still need two more SP. Not enamored with Sears nor Vasquez. Do they have enough cheese to sign Ranger Suarez? Coming off a down year, Galen would be cheaper but is older.
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The 4.85 FIP and 5.51 xFIP were a bit harder to like, though.
Tons of risk. Don’t love this.
OMG. I wasn’t feeling well and woke up to this news. This is completely disappointing by the Yankees on so many levels. King probably used the Yankees to get the biggest offer because he never wanted to leave SD to begin with. It definitely could have been worse if he went to the Mets. Yankees better not get Peralta. I don’t want him. Go get Hunter Green or one of the Miami guys. I’m completely shocked. Go get IMAI Now!!!! Forget the Yankees right now. Let’s go Knicks!!!!
Padres fans love Michael king. Outside of Musgrove who is a San Diego native king has been the most beloved since Peavy.
He is a great dude, has some nasty stuff.
People keep talking about risk. First there is risk in signing any starter. 5-6-7 years deals have tons of risk.
Preller has done opt out deals a lot lately. He looks at them as if they will be here for the duration. 3/75m in this case. If King would have taken that deal Preller would have signed him to it.
So if you are willing to do 3/75m then you would be taking the same injury risk…little less actually on this deal because he could get hurt in year 2 or 3. So if king gets hurt in year one he stays for year two…would have been here either way if there were no opt outs. If he opts out, no problem as they got one really good year from the player.
Bottom line is the Padres are a better team right now than they were yesterday. How it plays out nobody knows but their chances of being good in 2026 just went up.
You’re telling me nobody was willing to go 5/100 for this guy? Even 4/100?
The Padres have been working against us the whole time! Good for San Diego. Good for Michael King. It’s going to be easier for Padres to win.
Nick Pivetta
Michael King
Joe Musgrove
Interesting. He picked this because it was the best out there and Boras didn’t think the time/$ ratio would get better. There’s was always the chance of musical chairs–and being left with a sub-optimal deal. The focus is on his health, but I’m wondering if performance also could play a role. Does he have enough of a history as a starter to think he can sustain, say, 162 IP per season?
Well….can we agree the players’ union is going to die on its sword to fight to remove the “qualifying offer” draft compensation? The Padres have two examples of benefitting while suppressing cost: Nick Pivetta and King.
The cost of a 5-8 SP is 11 million. Interesting financial dynamics when you consider teams appear to need 8-10 SPs to get through a season and protect your top three pitchers.
At least he didn’t sign with the Red Sox.
Not sure how he didn’t end up a Yankee or a Met with the contract he signed. Especially the Mets. This is similar to the deal Alonso signed with them last winter. This is a prove it deal. The Padres can’t lose with this singing unless King’s right arm falls off.
The move to bring back Grisham gets worse and worse by the day. I have nothing against him but his QO is killing the suddenly cheap Yankees. I hope I’m wrong
The contract’s opt-out after one year is the poison pill, given no team wants to give up a draft pick for a player who can walk in one year. This is why the Padres get this contract that no other team would offer him….and why Pivetta was forced into a two-year deal because of the QO.
Already QO’d can’t be done twice to same player
Agree….I’m suggesting that no team would pay King 25 million plus a compensation pick to SD….that’s why SD can pay him a one year pillow contract when other team’s can’t.
As for Pivetta…he had a QO…so his market dried up…SD got him to sign a two-year pillow contract essentially and paid Boston a qualifying offer.
You are correct…..SD cannot QO Pivetta or King.
I don’t buy that at all. It assumes no other team would go to 3/75m and ignores the real likelihood that King favors the Padres since they are the team that made him a full-time starter and he has spoken extremely highly of their pitching coach Ruben Niebla.
Between his pro-rated signing bonus and his 5m salary, they’re only paying him 9m in 2026. Adrian Houser, Brad Keller, Luke Weaver, and Dustin May will all cost their new teams more money in 2026 than King with the Padres. Cody Pence will cost the Jays 8m in ’26. King gave the Padres flexibility that you rarely see in baseball and even more infrequently when you’re a free agent. He didn’t do that because he was attached to a comp pick. He did it because he was happy where he was at and didn’t have to milk out every last cent he could.
No one was saying he might be going back to the Padres because he was issued a QO.
Why did King sign a contract for an opt-out after one year?
A. He missed 3 months with a “nerve issue”
B. he wasn’t getting the big offers because of A.
C. The other team didn’t want to give him $25 million annually, given his injury concerns and the compensation pick that went with his free agency.
If you are the Padres, you know more about his injury, but you don’t have to pay a compensation pick. How could that not be a factor in his signing? How could the players’ union not want to end this situation….
Prophet – your name fits because the problem is that B and C re pure speculation. While it may be accurate or somewhat accurate, definitely a plausible scenario, it is not yet proven fact to establish a conclusion. A hypothesis yes, but a conclusion based on fact – no.
Longtimecoming…fair point, I’ll just state there are enough facts to draw a hypothesis that is a reasonable summation. (with humor)
Prophet – “some other teams had blown him away” – as stated by King himself. Those teams worth those better offers were not teams that Kkng felt would be competitive for the life of the contract.
This obliterates B and C and this makes the summation wrong and the hypothesis proven to be flawed.
As stated in my first reply, I think those were fair possible situations but your reliance on them being accurate was why I challenged. Now, King’s comments as quoted in the lasted post on this site debunks the theory.
Keep on pitching out feasible scenarios as that is in part the basis for our discussions on this site but caution on treating as fact.
Longtimecoming….(good humor intended, not meant to be dooshy)……because a player, agent, or even our President says something, without specific evidence, it is true.? Perhaps you also don’t really have the “fact”…because no actual team or offer was specifically mentioned or confirmed…so we’ll have to take his word on it. Did he share what constituted a “big offer” when he said he received some? He took millions less because he wants to win SD? I’ve got to question whether those offers really existed, given that he signed a super-team-friendly contract. My opinion, not a fact, is that a “big offer” did not materialize for the reasons I mentioned, and that the contract he actually signed is team-friendly. (opinion or can that be quantified?) Perhaps his statement reported is really his egg on the face, agent speaking for him (theory)….but again, that’s just my opinion based on the facts of the contract he signed, QO repression, and the injury season of 2025 he signed. A few facts to back up my opinion on a hot stove comment board. Happy Holidays! ; )
Merry Christmas to you and your family. We agree that it was a team friendly contract but yet, it’s really a QO acceptance with 2 years of extra for a pitcher that as you point out, had some k juries last year so, is it really “team friendly”? Some have argued it is bad for team if he gets injured or limited innings because they have 2 more years to pay.
Fair point…they share risk. The most important thing to remember is that the Cubs paid D $12 million for 2026… so that’s where we are in this pitching market. Perhaps the Red Sox and Breslow get a tip of the cap for getting Oviedo and Gray for a total of $22 million for two starters in their 2026 rotation. Merry Christmas….may we cross paths again on this board.
Padres also had to give up a draft pick to sign him. The draft pick they would have received if they just let him walk. Can’t QO him a second time if he does opt out.
No…only a new team has to give up a compensation pick to sign him, not the Padres.
True…took my slow brain a bit to understand this point.
But the Padres don’t get a pick when letting him walk means they would have.
I guess that foolishly spent QO on Grisham emptied the Yankees piggy bank. Sad. So very sad.
Good signing
Nick Pivetta and top Rellever Morejon and maybe even Cronenworth to the Mets
for young starter(s) and postioin players that would would set up the Padres for ’26-30.
Mets get a top of the rotation starter, a top set up guy who could also fill in as a Closer and a veteran producing 2b/1b/3B
Mets could extend Pivetta and Morejon.
Young starters: Jonah Tong & Brandon Sprout, and two way, young position players INF/OF Jett Williams and OF Carson Benge are names that have been thrown around. as possiby part of a package deal.
Don’t hold your breath on that possibility. The Mets know what they have in those young players and they are the ones who are set up for ’26-30 by holding them.. They are not trading all their core prospects in that one deal. Plus those young players will allow them to reset their payroll as soon as ’27, if there is a ’27 season.
Ah yes, the Pete Alonso “let me show I can do better than last season”, contract.
The weirdest was Blake Snell taking a 2 year deal with an opt-out fresh off his 2nd CYA.
My wife has T1D and I have been impressed worth his work in that area. When and where are their events? Would be a good excuse to get out of the New England winter for a few days and support an important cause.
When I read about this I was so relieved. – From the pitching aspect of things we need is a true leader in the rotation to be that #1 or 2 behind Pivetta, Musgrove.
I still would love to see us go after “Imai” just so when we do play the Dodgers Imai can live out his childhood dream of beating the Dodgers and we would be the team he would do it with..
Heck, who knows with our new Korean player Sung – Mu – Song coming to the Padres bashing hits, Ramon lighting up the HR sector, and now we have King secured we may once again be the team to give the Dodgers a run for the title. At least one can dream
A for King
F for SD if he doesn’t opt out. A if they have mlb best medical team and he opts out.
I fully agree with you. with the “F” the Padres there should of never been this type of delay with signing . King should of been a no brainer the minute King announced he would opt out of his contract to test the free market, That is when the Padres should of without a minute of thought made our Qualifying offer respectable.
But yes with giving King an A your spot on. Actually if you don’t mind I would love to add a + (plus) for showing restraint and waiting to the last minute to accept signing a contract for more money with the Padres. Not much more but I could see the stance King was saying. Interesting season coming up ?
In my experience of following MLB (over 62 yrs.) – and working for a National League park. (I use to be responsible for setting up the clubs locker rooms with their equipment.
When a player opts out of the contract such as with King, you can usually tell if the player is serious about going to another Club by moving back to their Hometown and listening to Offers from clubs there (Not always. but usually) – With players who really want to stay with a team they just opted out of the contract stays in the town/area of that said club hoping the Club with bring up a better contract than once was 1st offered.
Now, with that being said – IF King was serious about leaving San Diego the offer both Boston and the Yankees offered was way better money and incentives BUT since King feels he has a lot better chance to show case his talents staying with SD was the best for him and his family/game. Yes, you was right about “rumors of Yankees, Boston and Orioles” was just that rumors.
There shouldn’t be a comma before “as well.”