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Reds Would Be Willing To Swap Bruce For Wheeler

By Jeff Todd | July 30, 2015 at 7:04pm CDT

The Reds would be amenable to a deal with the Mets for outfielder Jay Bruce if the return was fronted by righty Zack Wheeler, Buster Olney of ESPN.com reports on Twitter. We heard yesterday that Cincinnati has shown previous interest in the still-recovering recent Tommy John patient (via Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com).

Of course, it’s not clear whether other pieces would need to be involved from either team’s end to make a deal happen. And the Mets’ level of interest in Bruce is not known. The team is said to have preferred a slugging outfielder capable of playing center, where Bruce has not lined up since his rookie year.

But we do know that Wheeler had been ticketed to become the key piece of a deal to add Carlos Gomez, before that deal derailed, so it does stand to reason that New York would consider including him to grab Bruce. While he lacks Gomez’s five-tool superstar upside, and isn’t a stellar on-base threat, Bruce is actually a fairly well-rounded player himself. Since suffering through a rough 2014, he’s back on pace for a 4+ WAR season with big power numbers, decent speed, and sturdy defense.

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  1. Brixton

    10 years ago

    Then whats the hold up? Mets have 4 pitchers that are better, and Niese is almost just as good.

    Reply
  2. Larry David's Joe Pepitone Jersey

    10 years ago

    Of course they would: Wheeler+ for Bruce is an overpay.

    Reply
    • aroldischapman

      10 years ago

      No it’s not. Jay Bruce is the 10th best RF. Zack Wheeler being dealt now for Bruce while he’s going under TJ would be a miracle for the Mets.

      Reply
    • goatwick

      10 years ago

      The Mets won’t do this. They already have 2 corner outfielders that they’re paying next year in Grandy and Cadaver. They’re paying Lagares too in center and that’s the reason they backed out of the Gomez deal, Brewers wouldn’t take back Lagares.

      Reply
      • goatwick

        10 years ago

        didn’t mean to reply here

        Reply
    • Freddie Major

      10 years ago

      It’s an overpay but if Cincy eats a large amount of Bruce’s salary (aka the only way the Mets can afford the deal) maybe not so much.

      Reply
    • Ray Ray

      10 years ago

      Cool, then keep Wheeler and watch other teams in the playoffs.

      Reply
  3. WrongVerb

    10 years ago

    That deal better include Nimmo and Flores, too.

    Reply
    • mrkinsm

      10 years ago

      What do the Reds need Flores for? BP isn’t waiving his no-trade clause and they already have two shortstops for next season.

      Reply
      • claymc

        10 years ago

        Most Reds fans don’t expect Cozart to keep up the offensive production he had this season before getting injured. His value is in his defense, and the knee injury puts that at risk. Don’t forget, this guy was one of the worst players in the entire league last year. I don’t believe his actual value is close to that, but he’s proven his floor is that low, and that’s before the major injury. And BP may not be going anywhere, but you can’t guarantee a job to a 35-year old, frequently injured player whose OPS+ is dropping 5-10% per year and now stands in the low 80’s. I love my Reds, but our middle infield is a year or two away from needing to be completely replaced, yet middle infield is the weakest position in our farm system. I don’t think Jocketty is in any position to turn away any young middle infielders.

        tl;dr – Cincinnati’s middle infield is certainly not a strength.

        Reply
        • mrkinsm

          10 years ago

          You most definitely guarantee a spot to BP – the Reds are small market – they don’t sit players because they aren’t hitting. Suarez is the starting SS from here on out if/when Cozart is traded.

          He should absolutely pick someone other than a middle infielder (at least one who is mlb ready).

          Reply
          • claymc

            10 years ago

            I get what you’re saying, but you can’t operate without looking beyond 2015. Cozart’s and Phillips’s time is limited. Potentially extremely limited. And all we have is Suarez and… maybe Blandino? who’s in A-ball? One window is shutting, and we don’t have a Plan B for it beyond Suarez. What do we do when we find ourselves in 2016 with a bad middle infield, and then in 2017 with a league-worst middle infield?

            We have OF depth in the farm system. We have pitching. We do NOT have infield depth.

            Reply
          • claymc

            10 years ago

            meant to say “without looking past 2016” *

            Reply
  4. mrtplush

    10 years ago

    I heard Bruce has a bad hip.

    Reply
    • mets4aces

      10 years ago

      lmao, good one….

      Reply
  5. Pike

    10 years ago

    Wonder if Wheeler and Wilmer Flores could get this done…

    Reply
    • The Oregonian

      10 years ago

      Probably not, since Bruce broke his finger when he was six.

      Reply
  6. Steve 39

    10 years ago

    I’m sure they would trade him for Mike Trout as well but it takes two to make a trade

    Reply
  7. arianborova

    10 years ago

    Wilmer, Nimmo and Wheeler would net much more than Bruce lol

    Reply
  8. mikeyst13

    10 years ago

    Are the Mets ready to take on that kind of contract? 12.5 next year and a 13 MIL option for 2017. Between him, Granny, and Cuddy they’d have over $40 mil tied up in their OF.

    Reply
    • goatwick

      10 years ago

      Exactly, and none of them ca play center.

      Reply
    • notagiantsfan

      10 years ago

      Gomez, his “bad hip” at $8M this year and $9M next, looks a downright bargain comparatively.

      Reply
      • jcqiv

        10 years ago

        Except gomez isnt the same caliber player bruce is.

        Reply
        • Novak

          10 years ago

          Yeah, he’s better.

          Reply
        • notagiantsfan

          10 years ago

          I have no idea what you’re looking at but it looks pretty close to me.

          Reply
  9. aroldischapman

    10 years ago

    I think Matz for Bruce is a deal

    Reply
    • Brixton

      10 years ago

      Mets already said they arent dealing for the big 4.

      Reply
    • sampsonite168

      10 years ago

      Any of the above trade proposals would make me jump off a bridge as a Mets fan.

      Reply
  10. arianborova

    10 years ago

    ^ Matz for Bruce? That’s way worse than Wheeler for Bruce. Besides, Matz is on the untouchables list.

    Reply
  11. jcqiv

    10 years ago

    Would way rather have bruce then gomezatleast

    Reply
    • sampsonite168

      10 years ago

      1 to 1 comparison, yes, but I’d rather have Conforto/Gomez/Grandy than Bruce/Lagares/Grandy.

      Reply
      • jcqiv

        10 years ago

        Grandy would play cf flanked by bruce and conforto

        Reply
  12. SemihAutomatic

    10 years ago

    I’d take a date with Emily Ratajkowksi too, doesn’t mean she wants to give me a date with her.

    Reply
    • jcqiv

      10 years ago

      Wheeler for bruce is a good deal.. Better then yesterdays news.

      Reply
  13. goatwick

    10 years ago

    People are underrating Bruce. He might not hit for average but he’s gonna give you 25 and 85 at least with decent defense. Only 28 and only paid $12.5m next year and $13m the year after.

    Reply
  14. shaneredsfan 2

    10 years ago

    Wheeler and Flores for Bruce would be fine by me.

    Reply
  15. mrkinsm

    10 years ago

    Jocketty should be spending more time trying to move Byrd and Leake rather than Bruce at this point.

    Reply
    • mikeyst13

      10 years ago

      I wouldn’t think Leake will be an issue, there seems to be plenty of interest and should get done by tomorrow, Bruce and Byrd were the harder sells since the OF market was a little more flooded.

      Reply
      • mrkinsm

        10 years ago

        Leake’s market has become stymied due to so many teams already acquiring starters (he’s owed approximately 4M$) – it shouldn’t be hard at all to deal a bat right now —> still a seller’s market when it comes to offense.

        Reply
    • aroldischapman

      10 years ago

      I know. Is he even trying?

      Reply
  16. Cora the Destroya

    10 years ago

    Mets trading away Wheeler is a dumb move IMO. You can get quality bats a dime a dozen, but getting quality pitchers aren’t the same.

    Reply
    • jcqiv

      10 years ago

      Quality bats are a dime a dozen?

      In what world.

      Reply
      • notagiantsfan

        10 years ago

        His Yahoo Fantasy 10 Team League, of course. Duh.

        Reply
    • mrkinsm

      10 years ago

      Getting quality anything is hard too do, let alone when one of your best chips is out with surgery.

      Reply
    • SemihAutomatic

      10 years ago

      Yeah, we’re in the age of the pitcher, but bats are easy to find.

      Last year (I only say last year since this year isn’t complete), Bruce’s OPS would’ve been 27th in all of baseball. His wRC+ would’ve put him among the 40 best hitters in baseball. Either you’re definition of “quality bats” is different than the vast majority of the league, or you’re way undervaluing Bruce and the value of a very talented hitter.

      Reply
  17. ffkapono

    10 years ago

    Bruce has been so much better then Gomez this season. Actually since middle of May he has been on fire.. I don’t think Flores is that great and Wheeler coming off huge injury. If I’m Reds I keep Bruce , Frazier and Votto together.

    Reply
  18. Novak

    10 years ago

    In what world is Jay Bruce a better get than Gomez??? Gomez is far cheaper, plays the premium position with elite defense, has much better speed, and has hit better over the past 4 years.

    Bruce (12-15): .247/.319/.464 112 OPS+ 99 hr, 34 SB/14 CS — 7.9 fWAR
    Gomez (12-15): .275/.335/.474 118 OPS+ 74 hr, 118 SB/31 CS — 17.9 fWAR

    Have fun with Bruce however – could have had Gomez for pennies.

    Reply
    • mrkinsm

      10 years ago

      2014 should not even be counted for Bruce when looking at his production. The team option and health makes Bruce worth more IMHO.

      Reply
    • jcqiv

      10 years ago

      Pennies is 9mil, far cheaper then 12mil… Got it

      And i like how tou tacked on gomez last 2 years to over shadow this years stats, but no years prior to that since bruces career dominates gomez.

      Reply
    • SemihAutomatic

      10 years ago

      Well Bruce has had one really, really bad season in there so it drastically skews his numbers. And just for the record, with Gomez’s health issues (if not the hip, then the hamstring) he isn’t running much anymore. He has one more steal than Bruce, in two more attempts.

      I preferred Gomez, because when he’s right he’s an absolutely dynamic player, but don’t discount Bruce because of one bad season. Bruce has produced more over the course of his career, and if you wanna post “relevant” stats, do them for this season:

      Bruce: .257/.341/.486 125 OPS+ 17 HR, 6 SB/5 CS – 3 UZR/150 2 WAR
      Gomez: .262/.328/.423 107 OPS+ 8 HR, 7 SB/6 CS – 4 UZR/150 1.7 WAR

      Added overall WAR and couldn’t find fWAR so just used UZR/150, but regardless of what you think of that substitution, Bruce hasn’t been worse than Gomez this year. I still think injuries are sapping some of CarGo’s talent this year and like I said, I’d rather have him than Bruce, but it’s not like Bruce is an awful player. He’s a very solid player in his own right.

      Reply
      • Novak

        10 years ago

        So Gomez in an injury riddled, down season is only marginally worse than Bruce. Meanwhile, recent history (aka the previous two years) shows that Gomez is light years above Bruce when it comes to recent production.

        Numbers can be skewed to fit arguments, but for crying out loud: we have one guy who is discounting Bruce’s 2014 season, another is trying to ignore Gomez’s previous two years while trying to include his seasons as a backup and slap and run hitter, and you’re trying to restrict analysis to just this year.

        I recognize both guys value, but Gomez is a much safer bet as a player with his overall skill set. Bruce is a streaky slugger who can carry a team for a couple weeks – a lot like Corey Hart, but also has that real potential to be awful for long periods of time.

        Reply
        • SemihAutomatic

          10 years ago

          “Numbers can be skewed to fit arguments” goes both ways, man. Bruce hasn’t been all that much worse in the last few years, at least in terms of hitting, and that’s even including the awful anomaly that was last year. This year, the fortunes of each player have changed, and Bruce has been a far superior hitter and is better, albeit only slightly, overall. Health accounts for something, and Bruce has almost always had very good health, while there seem to be some questions about Gomez’s. There have even been some questions about Gomez’s play in general; his defense has been in steady decline the last few years and his baserunning (or stealing at the very least) has gotten worse as well, culminating in an awful 7 SB:6 CS ratio.

          Again, I prefer Gomez, warts and all. He would’ve really helped the Mets offensively and like you’ve stated, plays a premium position well. I’ve maintained that he was the only OF bat I’d give up something huge for, and even with that opinion, he has his fair share of risks to gamble on.

          Reply
  19. cincinnatikid

    10 years ago

    Let me understand this. Our top two pitchers next year would both be coming off of tommy john surgery. Our all star closer will probably be traded in the off season. Our center fielder can run but can’t hit and our all star third baseman will be out of our price range within 2 years. The bullpen is one of the worst in baseball. I’d much rather see the Reds add to their hitting instead of dumping a 20 plus home run hitter since the pitching era will skyrocket in the next few years

    Reply
  20. ffkapono

    10 years ago

    Bruce has been better this season

    Reply
  21. rich5344

    10 years ago

    Perfect for both teams
    Hanley Ramirez, 4K for each year remaining on Hanley’s contract & Daniel Nava
    For
    Zach Wheeler

    Reply
    • SemihAutomatic

      10 years ago

      LOL you a Sox fan? Because that’s an awful trade. Where does Hanley even play?

      Reply
    • The Oregonian

      10 years ago

      If you want to get rid of Hanley, it’s going to have to be strictly as a salary dump with nothing remotely of value coming back in return. I think Wheeler’s a bit overrated, but he’s still way too much.

      Reply
  22. rich5344

    10 years ago

    Losing the Gomez trade was just another Alderson blunder

    Reply
    • SemihAutomatic

      10 years ago

      Yup, just another Alderson blunder.

      Like trading Dickey, Thole and Nickeas for Thor, d’Arnaud, Buck and Becerra.
      Like trading a half season of Beltran for Wheeler
      Like trading Ike Davis in favor of Duda (which was very unpopular at the time)
      Like trading a month of Byrd and Buck for Herrera and Black

      I don’t agree with every move he’s made, no GM is perfect, but losing Gomez isn’t his fault regardless – it’s on the Wilpon’s if money was really the issue.

      Reply
  23. Avi

    10 years ago

    The trade would be dumb to take for the Mets. Then again front office makes moronic decisions so welcome to the Mets Jay Bruce.

    Reply
  24. bdkaye12

    10 years ago

    Unreal if we give up Wheeler for Bruce. Got to love the Niese is almost just as good what games you watch?

    Reply
  25. gooberz

    10 years ago

    Mets fans, your in a privileged position. You have a starter that is nothing but a question mark right now in Wheeler. You have six other good starters. Take the deal for Bruce who has another year and a team option. If he produces, trade him in the off season. Bruce is better than what you have now.

    He’s got a nice top 5 outfield arm, can cover alot of ground, and he has played CF for about 300 innings and played it well. Really well. He had a bad year in 2014 with a bad knee, but will hit 30HR this year which is what he typically does.

    You can use about 15 to 20 more HR can’t ya?

    Reply
  26. rr30

    10 years ago

    Reds need bats. Not another pitcher. Pass please Jocketty.

    Reply

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