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Reported Asking Prices For Jose Fernandez

By Steve Adams | December 9, 2015 at 8:28am CDT

TODAY: The Marlins “discussed a deal” with Arizona that would have brought back Corbin, Swanson, Inciarte, Blair, and infielder Brandon Drury, Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald writes. That deal only “collapsed” when Arizona struck its trade with the Braves, he says, and the talks could illustrate a real willingness to trade Fernandez.

Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports adds (Twitter links) that at some point in the talks, Miami sought a six-player return that would’ve included Corbin and three other players who played in the majors last year for Arizona.

YESTERDAY: The asking price on Jose Fernandez is known to be sky-high, but reports tonight in the wake of the D-backs’ Shelby Miller blockbuster further illustrate the unlikely nature of a Fernandez trade. According to Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald, the Marlins were working on a trade with the Diamondbacks that would’ve included Patrick Corbin and Dansby Swanson in talks for Fernandez (Twitter link). Beyond that already-steep starting point, the Marlins asked that three other prospects be included in the deal, he adds.

Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Repbulic tweets that the package the D-backs sent to Atlanta to pry Miller away — Swanson, Ender Inciarte and Aaron Blair — “would not have come close” to what the team would’ve needed to acquire Fernandez from Miami, citing D-backs officials.

Similarly, Joe Frisaro of MLB.com reports (also on Twitter) that the Marlins asked the Dodgers to include not one or two but all three of Julio Urias, Joc Pederson and Corey Seager in addition to another pair of players. While reports earlier today indicated that L.A. was attempting to get a third team involved to find a creative means of acquiring Fernandez, that price tag seems like such a lofty starting point that it’s tough to even imagine talks becoming serious in nature.

Many will scoff at the reported asking prices listed here, but the Marlins have little incentive to trade Fernandez now without an offer that is impossible to refuse. We also don’t know whether other pieces were in play that would’ve gone from Miami to those clubs.

Realistic asks or not, the Marlins are placing an almost unmatchable asking price on Fernandez, it would seem, which lines up with most reports from the past few days. While he’s an oft-mentioned name, the most common refrain connected to Fernandez is that the Marlins aren’t trying to move but are instead simply open to being overwhelmed by an offer for their young ace. It’s easy to forget that Fernandez is still just 23 years old — younger than NL Rookie of the Year Kris Bryant. And, to this point in his career, Fernandez has pitched to a 2.40 ERA with 10.5 K/9, 2.7 BB/9 and a 44.6 percent ground-ball rate.

Three years of affordable control over a 23-year-old starter with that track record of dominance ranks among the most valuable commodities in all of baseball, although one can only wonder how high the asking price would’ve been had the Marlins kept Fernandez in the minors for a couple of weeks to open the 2013 season. Because Fernandez was a 20-year-old that hadn’t pitched above Class-A Advanced at the time, no one would’ve questioned the move, and Miami could have subsequently delayed Fernandez’s free agency until after the 2019 season. Instead, Fernandez received a full year of service time in 2013 and is now on track to become a free agent after 2018.

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  1. justinept

    10 years ago

    It’s clear the Marlins have no intention of trading Fernandez… but these proposals almost come off as trolling. It’s like we all expect the Marlins to trade Fernandez because of their history of making similarly stupid decisions… and the Marlins are just playing off that perception to mess with teams.

    Something tells me, though, that this is going to backfire when it comes time to pay Fernandez (either in arbitration of through an extension), and he looks at these offers to justify wanting $250 million.

    Reply
    • braves25

      10 years ago

      It won’t affect arbitration. Yes he could ask for some outlandish number, but if the Marlins counter with something reasonable then the Marlins will win the hearing.

      Reply
      • justinept

        10 years ago

        Yea. You’re right. Arbitration is based on similar player comps – but still… you just know this is going to bite them! I do find their trolling to be hilarious. I just wish they’d take it to a different level and ask the Nationals for Bryce Harper and Mike Trout… “Oh. You don’t have Trout? Well, go get him for us.”

        Reply
    • deadhead23

      10 years ago

      Wonder what kind of haul Chris Sale would bring…

      Reply
    • sandman12

      10 years ago

      What if the Marlins proposal was Fernandez, Prado and Ozuna for Saeger, Urias, and Pederson? It may have been for all we know. Seems like a pretty fair deal.

      Reply
      • mikeyst13

        10 years ago

        You read that wrong, it was Seager, Pederson, Urias, AND 2 more guys for Fernandez, not those 3 for Fernandez and 2 others.

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      • williamg

        10 years ago

        I’m sure the answer would still be no

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      • jmcossio87

        10 years ago

        Fair? NO. Seager has sky high potential as he showed in september and Urias is an 18 year old phenom whos already in Triple-A and could pitch within a year at the major league level. Fernandez is worth ONE of those top prospects and other minor prospects.

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        • jmcossio87

          10 years ago

          And Dont forget about Fernandez’s terrible attitude in the clubhouse.

          Reply
  2. charles stevens

    10 years ago

    Urias, Seager and Pederson?? Marlins are just screwing with people. They have no interest in doing anything. Then again if the Braves can wipe out the Diamondbacks for Shelby Miller I guess maybe he is worth it. Those 400 bazillion dollar Greinke and Price contracts are looking better already.

    Reply
  3. Ray Ray

    10 years ago

    I know Fernandez is thought of as highly as Nolan Ryan mixed with Koufax and Gibson with a dash of Cy Young in some parts of the net, but those packages seems just a tad ridiculous. The guy has only pitched 1 full season in the majors. Granted he has been great, but those packages should get you Kershaw. And Fernandez is not Kershaw. At least not yet.

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    • usf_football43

      10 years ago

      Great point – he’s not Kershaw yet. However, he is a generational pitcher. He has Harvey fierceness and Kershaw’s ceiling. Even after having TJ and fully recovering, he’s only 23-years old. I don’t blame the Marlins for realizing what he means to their franchise… and they probably should keep fishing while the interest in him is over the top. If I was the Marlins GM, I would approach the Nationals about Lucas Giolito, Trea Turner, Drew Storen, AJ Cole and Michael Taylor. On the return, I would kick back Ozuna and Jose Fernandez. I don’t think their asking price of Seager and Urias is extraordinary honestly. I would want more back as well. Jose Fernandez is almost a guaranteed win every time he pitches in Marlins Park. Fans love winners and Jose is the one person that brings fans to the park when his turn is up in the rotation.

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      • bigkempin

        10 years ago

        A generational pitcher……..A generational pitcher should be able to pitch anywhere. Take Fernandez away from that huge, spacious home field….and his ERA jumps up 2.38 runs. 1.40 ERA at home and 3.78 on the road. He allows a 131 OPS+ in road games.

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        • Stuart Brown

          10 years ago

          That’s a 131 tOPS+, which is his OPS+ in that situation in relation to his career OPS+ given up. Granted that’s still 31% worse than his average OPS+, but his away OPS is .636 vs .486(!) at home. .636 is borderline dominant. .486 is absurd.

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  4. TheMichigan

    10 years ago

    I really REALLY dislike the whole Marlins organization. I really really do. I realize that he controllable for a decent time but there is one thing that erks me. Hasn’t Jose Fernandez had Tommy John? Most first case Tommy Johns has like a 90-95% success rate and still have a good professional career, but a second one, which is a lot more likely to happen after a prior procedure only had around a 10% success rate. Why would I (given, it’s a long shot) as the Dodgers GM trade not one, OH baby no, but TWO of my 3 top prospects considering Seager had a decent extent in the Majors and Joc slumped and Urias hasn’t had a taste but still that just blows me away. Kind of reminds me of Tony Saunders, allbeit he wasn’t as good of a pitcher as Jose but that guy broke a bone in his arm and his career was done, and he was 20 something. I know I’m picking straws but still. Also on the topic of the Marlins pissing me off is their Firing of Dan Jennings. He did what he was asked, even though I don’t agree with him taking the Manager job, he still lead them to a respectable time under his ways, but he got fired for it, and last thing, isn’t Jose Fernandez just a “cancer” in the club house? Or am I just hearing that.

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  5. mrshyguy99

    10 years ago

    I know this dude could be the next big thing. But trading Seager , Pederson and Urias would be the dumbest thing ever for the Dodgers. I would boycott if Dodgers gave up all 3.

    Reply
    • sandman12

      10 years ago

      You have no idea what the full Marlin offer was … the article said that other Marlins may have been involved.

      Reply
      • ew032

        10 years ago

        It doesn’t matter what other Marlins were involved. Interesting, though, that Friedman basically put himself in the position to have to consider such a rediculous ask by miscalculating on Greinke. It’s like a domino effect that almost results in a bit of a panic to match Greinke’s performance. Not to mention that Chapman debacle.

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        • justinept

          10 years ago

          Who says Friendman miscalculated on Greinke? I said this when the Cubs 7 year / $161 million offer for Price was reported. Guys like Epstein and Friedman are too smart, too connected, and have been doing this for far too long to miscalculate to that degree. Their offers came in lower because that’s how much they were comfortable spending on that player – not necessarily because they thought that would be the best offer the player received.

          Reply
          • ew032

            10 years ago

            Friedman wasn’t as uncomfortable with the $$$ as he was with a sixth year (his comment). However, he acquired and released players in 2015 with more salary than he would’ve paid Greinke in that sixth year, so money wasn’t an issue. He himself said that he never anticipated AZ to swoop in last minute and steal him away. THATS a miscalculation. And, yes, even geniuses like Friedman and Epstein miscalculate. I personally think Theo is the better of the two.

            Reply
        • williamg

          10 years ago

          Would you have give greinke 210 million or use that money on other area like the pen knowing that your already paying Kershaw about the same amount and trying to lower that payroll.

          Reply
          • ew032

            10 years ago

            I would’ve given Greinke the $$$ and used very good, but not premium, prospects to try and upgrade the bullpen. May have had to part with one of DeLeon or Holmes, but rather use Lee, Schebler, or others. Just a thought.

            Reply
  6. charles stevens

    10 years ago

    The Fish can ask whatever they want for him. They control him for several years on the cheap so whats the hurry? Tampa and Oakland usually wait until the last year or so before they move their pitchers. Sure his value will drop the closer he is to free agency but so what? If he continues pitching at the level he’s capable of then they’ll still get a haul for him down the road.

    Reply
    • mookiessnarl

      10 years ago

      This exactly. Not sure why everyone seems so offended by the Marlins ask. There nowhere near we have to trade him time. So they can ask for whatever they want and hope a team gets desperate. There’s nothing wrong with that.

      Reply
      • mookiessnarl

        10 years ago

        *They’re. When are we going to be able to edit posts again?

        Reply
        • Stuart Brown

          10 years ago

          Probably after the winter meetings when the site traffic isn’t as crazy.

          Reply
  7. j.murguia22

    10 years ago

    Trade Urias/Pederson/Peraza or Urias/any outfielder and get a third team involved to make up the rest

    Reply
  8. Niekro

    10 years ago

    I may be mistaken but aren’t teams calling the Marlins not vice versa don’t like the asking price don’t call?

    Reply
    • braves25

      10 years ago

      That is what I am thinking too. HAHA

      Reply
  9. braves25

    10 years ago

    Pederson, Seager, and Urias sounds like a lot for Fernandez. However after the package that Atlanta just got for Miller, then Marlins can ask for whatever they see fit! Basically, Fernandez isn’t going anywhere. Then again I didn’t think miller was going anywhere with what Atlanta was asking for, but I feel they got a better package with Swanson, Inciarte, and Blair then Pollock.

    Reply
  10. yanks4ever

    10 years ago

    So basically the Marlins want a re=creation of the Godfather, “I will make you an offer you cannot refuse.” This year every player seems to be overpriced, no matter who it is. It’s getting out of hand.

    Reply
  11. Ruben_Tomorrow 2

    10 years ago

    If he were to be traded the Marlins better get an insane package for him because it’s entirely realistic that once Kershaw begins to decline from his best years, this kid is the next top pitcher in the game. He is scary good. It wouldn’t happen, but being in the NY area and hear Yankees fans suggesting they get him has made me wonder. Yankees get Fernandez and Ozuna. Marlins get Severino, Judge, Bird, and Sanchez. Yes the Yankees are emptying the farm for him, but they are getting a young controllable (and they have the finances to extend him) ace and perhaps even the best pitcher in the game.

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    • JT19

      10 years ago

      You would need to package Severino, Judge, Bird and Sanchez just for Fernandez. If you think thats too much, consider that the Marlins asked for Seager/Urias/Pederson when all three are considerably better (at least Urias is just as dominant and younger than Severino, Pederson is a more athletic Judge with perhaps not as much power and Seager is one of the top prospects in baseball). You want the Marlins to throw in Ozuna too?

      Reply
      • sandman12

        10 years ago

        Why ignore the fact that other Marlin players could have been involved … as stated in the article?

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    • Ray Ray

      10 years ago

      Best pitcher in the game? Really? He has pitched a grand total of 289 innings in his career. He is not even the best pitcher in the NL East.

      Reply
  12. HalosFan

    10 years ago

    Considering what the DBacks just gave up for Miller, I’m not sure any team has enough to get Fernandez. That was a joke of a trade for a fringe 2 pitcher. What teams would pay that asking price? Only two or three teams even have that type of young talent to pursue a trade of that magnitude. Cubs, Dodgers, Red Sox, and now braves.

    Reply
    • marc65

      10 years ago

      LaRussa drafted Miller and he obviously feels that he is more than a “fringe” 2.

      Reply
  13. jakegreenberg24

    10 years ago

    So basically the Marlins wanted Joc Pederson, Corey Seager, Julio Urias, Jose De Leon and Grant Holmes just for Jose Fernandez. I know Loria and Hill are probably cracking up at how funny their offers are but why even listen if you are going to insult other teams like that.

    Reply
    • sandman12

      10 years ago

      “We also don’t know whether other pieces were in play that would’ve gone from Miami to those clubs.” As long as you’re aware you are commenting blindly, it’s all good. As the article said, we don’t know what Miami offered.

      Reply
  14. 3Tavgreg

    10 years ago

    Given the $ prices for aces Price and Grienke, and the asking price for Fernandez, the Mets should call the Dodgers and offer Harvey straight up for Corey Seager.

    Reply
    • deadhead23

      10 years ago

      Will need more than Seager for Harvey

      Reply
    • JT19

      10 years ago

      Better chance at Urias or de Leon. I don’t see any scenario where Seager is traded. He’s projected to be a starter next year and played extremely well in a small sample last year.

      Reply
  15. Dwak15

    10 years ago

    Given the asking prices why not just wait out the next 3 years until he hits free agency at 26 in his prime to probably top greinke and price’s new deals if he can stay heathy and continue the pace he’s already on

    Reply
    • Ray Ray

      10 years ago

      Because there are 3 World Series being played between now and then and some teams might actually want to try and win them.

      Reply
  16. cjh815

    10 years ago

    See for every body saying what I was put out there all my trade proposals don’t look so craze after all . As long time Braves fan I like the trade for miller I hope in few years I love it. But Atlanta if we really going to blow this up then we should trade Freeman tehran markakis any of are other vet that make any money try get best prospect like my trade proposal that I was told was joke last week Atlanta trades with Seattle
    Seattle gets
    Freddy Freeman
    Julio Tehran
    Erik aybar
    Nick swisher
    Jason grilli
    Matt Marksberry
    Brandon Cunniff
    Christian bethancourt
    15 million
    Braves get
    Taijuan Walker
    Mike zunino
    Of Alex Jackson
    D.j Peterson
    Of Austin Wilson
    C Tyler marlette
    P Danny hultzen
    And com pic
    Doesn’t look so over rated now
    Then Braves could then
    Trade with Pittsburgh
    Austin Wilson
    Arodys vizcaino
    Andrew mckirkhan
    C mike zunino
    Alex grosser
    Ruiz
    To the Pirates
    Braves get
    Jeff Locke or
    Charlie Morton
    Austin meadow
    Reese McGuire
    Kebryan Hayes
    Mike morse
    Stephen tarpley
    And com pic
    And then Braves could trade
    Nick Markakis
    And William Perez
    And Jeff Locke
    To Baltimore
    For Brian Matusz
    Hunter Harvey
    Christian Walker
    Mike Yastrzemski
    And
    Braves trade
    Joey terdoslabich
    Alex Jackson
    Adonis Garcia
    And Kyle kinman
    To Indians. For
    Clint Frazier
    Justus Sheffield
    Brady Aiken

    For

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    • JT19

      10 years ago

      Your trades completely ignore major stepping stones in any deal.
      1) Teams aren’t willing to deal certain prospects (such as Seattle unwilling to trade Walker).
      2) There is such a thing called a cap. Simply throwing in money doesn’t make it go away.
      3) Just because you throw in a good player or two, doesn’t mean that a team will take all of your outcasts. The Seattle trade, for example, Seattle isn’t going to take Swisher and Aybar off the Braves hands just because Freeman and Teheran are there.
      4) Teams have players they hope to play at certain positions already. Seattle, for example, has Marte/Taylor and Cano that should be the starting SS/2b combo. Aybar has no role there. Also, the Mariners plan is to DH Cruz most of the time, leaving no room for Swisher if Freeman were to be hypothetically acquired in a deal.
      5) A team isn’t going to completely gut their farm system and/or trade any good young players they may have. Winning is always the goal, but building for the long term is/should be a secondary goal that shouldn’t be overlooked.

      Reply
      • JT19

        10 years ago

        Also 6) This isn’t a video game

        Reply
  17. Cias

    10 years ago

    I’m a huge dodger fan and I’m very big on Jose Fernandez. I would be content with the Dodgers giving up joc and Urias, and some other guys but NOT Seager. Don’t get me wrong I think Urias is great, but Jose Fernandez has proven himself in the big leagues. I think if the Dodgers can somehow pull this off without giving up Seager they should do it.

    Reply
    • Dodgerdawgs 2

      10 years ago

      I wouldn’t give up Urias either. What he has done in the minors against much older competition has been outstanding. And don’t forget Fernandez is not far removed from TJ surgery.

      Reply
    • williamg

      10 years ago

      I am also a dodger fan and seeing how you would be ok if they gave up Joc and urais just makes me disappointed in you.

      Reply
  18. keyboardxgms

    10 years ago

    @CJH this isn’t MLB the show and that trade won’t ever happen, LOL. Stop playing games.

    Reply
  19. radioball123

    10 years ago

    I’m with you! Seager is untouchable, as far as I’m concerned Urias is young and and will be great. But Fernandez is also young and IS great. If Fernandez was 5yrs older, a third team would jump at this opportunity to make something happen. I think the dodgers win either way.

    Reply
    • Ray Ray

      10 years ago

      No Urias is young and COULD be great. Why do people always forget that can’t miss prospects miss all the time?

      Reply
      • JT19

        10 years ago

        Bryce Harper was a can’t miss prospect. He might swing-and-miss every so often but I don’t think anyone would call him a “bust”.

        Reply
        • Ray Ray

          10 years ago

          Um, that’s great but what does that have to do with anything. I wasn’t talking about the successful can’t miss guys. I was talking about the guys that didn’t make it. The point is that we don’t know yet which category Urias is going to fall into.

          Reply
          • JT19

            10 years ago

            You literally just said “can’t miss prospects miss ALL the time”. I proved you wrong by saying Harper is, in your own words, “successful can’t miss guys”. I agree we don’t know which category Urias will fall into but to instantly deem him a “bust” based on what you are implying in your first reply is hypocritical of your last reply.

            Reply
  20. keyboardxgms

    10 years ago

    Man, someone people and their trade ideas are out of this world.

    Reply
  21. lemieuxkarl66

    10 years ago

    2016 Dodgers fans,
    “That’s outrageous to ask for those young players. We have a future to build on.”

    2016 Pirates fans,
    “Give them anyone! Glasnow, H-Ram, Bell, Taillon, Meadows, Elias Diaz, Reese McGuire.
    We’re tired of living in the future.”

    Oh how the mindsets have turned since both teams became relevant again a few years ago.

    Reply
    • greatd

      10 years ago

      Depends on where the team is at the moment but
      we haven’t seen many complete make overs before.
      Kinda illustrates how hard it is to balance the two mindsets or go in a single direction.

      The White Sox are a great example.
      They’d like to build off of Sale and Abreu but they don’t have other talent to go all in.
      They settle for a fill in like Laroche and it completely blows up in their face.

      Baseball isn’t an exact science people.
      As bad as some things may look
      there maybe facts that we might be overlooking as well.

      Reply
    • batman

      10 years ago

      Um what Pirate fans are saying that? And if they are, they arent very smart Pirate “fans”

      Reply
  22. hanks1hammer

    10 years ago

    The Marlins front office did say Fernandez is untouchable. While no player ever really is, this is what untouchable actually looks like in baseball talk. It’s when you set the price for a player so insanely high that nobody in there right mind would agree to pay it and you would be an idiot not to take it if they actually paid up

    Reply
  23. Dodgerdawgs 2

    10 years ago

    I don’t care if it was Jesus Christ the Dodgers were trading for I still wouldn’t give them Urias, Pederson, Seager, and two other prospects. I really don’t think I would trade any of those 3

    Reply
    • sandman12

      10 years ago

      Really? What if the Marlin offer was Fernandez, Gordon, Ozuna, and Prado? As far as you know, it might have been. “We also don’t know whether other pieces were in play that would’ve gone from Miami to those clubs.”

      Reply
      • williamg

        10 years ago

        They would still say no

        Reply
    • MLB4LIFE

      10 years ago

      Are you trying to say “Jesus Christ cant hit a curve ball”

      Reply
      • williamg

        10 years ago

        Heard that in major league

        Reply
      • radioball123

        10 years ago

        Well done!

        Reply
  24. Philliesfan4life

    10 years ago

    those are the types of packages that It would take to get sonny gray and chris sale but maybe more

    Reply
  25. Kaylee12

    10 years ago

    Jose come to that rangers

    Reply
    • williamg

      10 years ago

      Only if your willing to give up 4 or 5 of their best young players

      Reply
  26. zjbudd1

    10 years ago

    Why is everyone singing Urias praises?! He hasn’t even pitched in the majors last time i checked. Also, maybe a reason the Dodgers didn’t bring him up at the end of the season because he last two starts in Triple A he gave up 9 ER in 4.1 innings

    Reply
    • williamg

      10 years ago

      Its because urais is one of the best pitching prospect if not the best in minors. Since they got him around 16 or 17 they been taking him really really slow. He didnt get called up in sept because he had just barely got called up to AAA around that time. Even if they call him up I doubt they would let him pitch more than a hand full of innings. He did get the sept call up in 2014 but I don’t think they let him pitch in games.

      Reply
  27. mattgarcia2324

    10 years ago

    Yanks will make a deal for jose. Gardner, Judge, refsnyder, mateo and make two other lower tier prospects

    Reply
    • Otto371

      10 years ago

      not enough

      Reply
  28. R.D.

    10 years ago

    So all Arizona would have done to get Fernandez instead of Miller would have been toss in Drury and Corbin??

    Heh. Heheh.

    Reply
  29. snakqadj

    4 years ago

    Dang, tough to look at this now

    Reply

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