The Nationals and Blue Jays have officially struck a deal that will send outfielder Ben Revere to the Washington and reliever Drew Storen to Toronto, as Jon Heyman first reported on Twitter. A player to be named later will also head to D.C., and the Nats will kick in cash sufficient to offset the differences in the players’ anticipated 2016 salaries, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets.
MLBTR projects Revere to earn $6.7MM this year in arbitration. He’s also eligible for one more season of arb control thereafter. Storen, meanwhile, projects at a $8.8MM salary in his final year of eligibility.
While it isn’t quite a blockbuster, this move certainly rates as a significant trade for both clubs. As I noted in breaking down the Nats’ offseason back in November, a deal along these lines between these two clubs has long made conceptual sense — though it’s also understandable that both wanted to explore other possibilities before pulling the trigger. Much like the deal that sent Jon Niese to the Pirates for Neil Walker earlier this winter, this trade involves two similarly-priced assets being exchanged as each organization seeks to address their respective needs.
For the Nats, adding a left-handed-hitting outfielder who is capable of playing center field has long been a priority. While there have been suggestions at times that the club might have looked for a more significant piece to build out its outfield, it ultimately settled on a solid option in Revere who can share time in center with Michael Taylor and spell Jayson Werth in left, potentially creating a three-man rotation for two slots that should function well alongside Bryce Harper. In some ways, he’s a faster, younger, lighter-hitting version of the just-departed Denard Span, though it’s certainly arguable that the former Nat had a better glove.
The team’s relationship with Storen had long seemed destined to end. After replacing him once in the closer’s role with Rafael Soriano, the Nats ruffled some feathers by adding Jonathan Papelbon down the stretch last year. Needless to say, that move blew up in spectacular fashion, and seemingly created some tension between the organization and its former first-round draft pick.
On the Jays’ side of the equation, Revere was something of a luxury. Acquired at the trade deadline last summer, his essential role can be filled by Michael Saunders, who missed all of last year but is expected to return to full strength in 2016. And Dalton Pompey also joins Kevin Pillar in the outfield mix (along with superstar Jose Bautista, of course).
By bringing in Storen, the Jays have added a big arm to the back of the pen without taking on a lengthy commitment. There’s no denying that the 28-year-old has struggled at times, but he’s also been dominant for lengthy stretches. Whether he’s serving in a set-up capacity in front of Roberto Osuna or even taking the 9th himself, there’s good reason to believe that Storen can be a valuable late-inning arm.
Of course, both players in this trade come with their share of demerits. Revere, 27, doesn’t hit for power or draw walks. Though he’s always made a ton of good contact and doesn’t strike out much, any dip in contact ability or speed could spell trouble. And he’s a mystery on the defensive side of the equation. After garnering strong defensive metrics at times with the Twins, Revere has looked lost at times on his routes and generally received quite poor ratings in recent seasons.
So long as he can get on base enough, though, Revere seems a good bet at least to function as a solid fourth outfielder. He’s still plenty young, and delivers serious value with his legs. He has 80 steals on the ledger over the last two years and is second only to speed demon Billy Hamilton in Fangraphs’ total baserunning value measure (BsR) over those seasons. Notably, Revere has also generally posted neutral platoon splits, though he was quite a bit more effective last year against right-handed pitching.
And Storen has been somewhat fickle on the mound, with his general excellence sometimes punctured with ill-timed lapses. It’s all but impossible to know whether that’s a genuine cause for concern or just a sample blip, but there is a perception that he’s faltered in the brightest lights. Of course, he’s also locked up 95 saves, so it isn’t as if he’s a stranger to succeeding in high-leverage spots.
All told, Storen owns a 3.02 ERA in his 334 big league frames. He’s struck out an average of 8.6 and walked 2.6 batters per nine for his career, but his K rate jumped significantly last season. Storen’s average fastaball velocity trended up, topping 94 mph for the first time since 2012, and he got big results with his slider. He ended the season with a 12.2% swinging-strike rate that was the second best of his career. On the other hand, Storen also put up wider-than-usual platoon splits.
There are broader impacts here, too. For one thing, it now seems rather unlikely that the Nats will re-enter the outfield market. The move seemingly takes them out of the running for Gerardo Parra and would make a play for Justin Upton or Yoenis Cespedes seem even more remote. On the other hand, Washington could still stand to add to the bullpen and has been rumored to be considering moves in the starting staff as well. The Jays seem less likely to tinker at this point, though making a bullpen upgrade without taking on more salary could in theory open some creative options.
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As a Jays fan, I don’t like this trade at all. Storen basically stopped pitching after Papelbon came to the Nationals last season. He wasn’t happy & let it affect his play. Revere provided needed speed & good defense in left field. Also, he was a good leadoff hitter. Now, the Jays don’t have a leadoff hitter. I also have no faith in Michael Saunders staying healthy.
Well you should and can’t Kevin hit lead off? I don’t see why not. And storen is a capable closer and set up guy. Also the reason he stopped pitching because he broke his hand punching a locker
Storen pouted about not closing. His performance was terrible even before he punched a locker. And why should I have any faith in Saunders when the guy hasn’t played a total of 90 games in 2 seasons? He is always hurt. He isn’t reliable. Pompey can’t hit. Revere brought so much to the Jays after he came over. He was a guy who got on base for the sluggers. He played excellent defense in left field, something Saunders will not do (Pompey could, but is offense isn’t good enough). Between Revere & Pillar, you didn’t have to worry about balls not being caught on that side of the field. You do now if Saunders is out there. Gibbons said he wanted Revere to continue to lead off because he did a good job for the Jays & he was by far the best candidate to do so. That the Jays didn’t really have anyone else who can do it like Revere did. Well, now they have to put someone else there. I would’ve rather just gone out & signed a reliever & kept Revere. This trade weakens the Jays
Revere played out of his mind last year after getting traded to the Jays. He won’t repeat that on base. Saunders will be more than fine.
Oh and Tulo can lead off. With JD, Bats and EE behind him. 2016 is brave new world where progressive ideas from the 90’s will finally be embraced.
Can Tulo stay healthy? That’s the question.
Storen had a sub-1.50 ERA before Papelbon came over. That’s not exactly terrible.
And which current free agent reliever is better than Storen and will come to Canada? Please use the free agent tracker list to review your options.
TOR stole him from WAS. He needed a change of scenery, which I think will pay off for them. Revere will contribute, but he was more of a luxury for TOR.
Kevin Pillar has absolutely no patience to be a leadoff hitter, he swings at anything.
Pillar doesnt walk enough
Don’t forget about Devon Travis. He was leading off before he got hurt and was effective.
That’s a good point. On most teams Storen would be considered more valuable, now it seems as though the Jays just need to replace Revere, more specifically, replacing the lead off hitter.. Fwiw, I would rather have Storen than Revere, but from the Jay’s lineup perspective, Revere may be more valuable.
Devon Travis will most likely be the leadoff hitter when he is back (I believe he will miss the start of the year). Pompey is also a good leadoff candidate when he is in the lineup, so they have some options. Dealing from a strength (3 LFs) to get a strong back-end bullpen arm makes more sense than worrying about the lineup composition.
it’s more valuable for the jays to carry 5 outfielders (possibly 6 if carrera is kept) than to get an all star reliever for a weak bullpen?
Now the jays need to trade for votto. Votto, jj Hoover and billy Hamilton for collabello Travis and Pompeii
Those three alone wouldn’t be enough for Votto.
Massive contract, no knees… he should be very available.
He’s available, I’m sure the Reds wouldn’t mind trading him. But the guy just came off a season where he finished I think in the top 10 for NL MVP despite playing on a terrible team. The only scenario I see the Reds not getting at least one good prospect back is if the other team takes Votto’s whole contract, but that probably wouldn’t happen and that would also be the Reds selling low.
His knees on TOR turf?!
I’m surprised Tulo hasn’t waved the white flag yet.
If the jays do that, they misewell sign chris davis
Pretty sure the Reds hang up first on that one.
Pretty sure Reds hang up first on that one.
This trade seems like a win-win to me but from your perspective as a Jays fan you need to realize the Jays offense is built on power and not playing small ball. Tulo, Donaldson, encarnacion and bautista all hit enough doubles and walk enough to get on base for the man on deck to knock them in. If any team in the league doesn’t need a true leadoff, its the Jays. Also the Jays rotation isn’t exactly spectacular so adding quality bullpen arms makes sense
Y’all are super sour. As a Jays fan, gonna miss revvy but storen lengthens the pen. We have the in house replacements and the lead off hitter is a myth. Kevin should definitely not hit lead off with his .300 obp so loooool at that. I say slap tulo at 1 or 5 in the order
The Nats are gonna go with Papelbon?!!!! Bwahahahahahaaha!!!!! The circle of hell is complete! Mets eventually sign Cespedes and the East is over!
A nice old school trade where both teams have a need and found a way to fill it. The Jays get a high upside reliever and can easily replace Revere on the FA market. The Nats get a less expensive, but still capable option in the outfield and get rid of half of their bullpen fiasco. Is it perfect for both sides? No, but this isn’t the type of trade to end an off season either. I’m sure the Nats would have rather traded Papelbon, but obviously the offers weren’t there and they needed to split up those two. The Jays may have replaced one hole with another, but the outfield FA market seems to be a lot less expensive than the relief pitcher FA market. I like the trade for both sides, but both still have a bit of work to do.
I have no idea why my comment showed up here. It was not intended as a reply to this comment at all.
Nats are going with Papelbon, they want to trade both. Storen needed a change of scenery and Papelbon killed any chemistry the locker room had. Its more of a matter who is actually moveable. And how are the Mets going to sign Cespedes? They have basically no more cap room and he’s going to command at least a $17 million AAV contract.
That was quick. A trade that will leave both fan bases thinking they lost.
As a Blue Jays’ fan I thought the trade was decent on both ends.
Didn’t see that coming. Surely thought Pap would be the one to go
Nats wouldn’t have gotten a 2016 contributor for Papelbon. Nobody wants him
Really dislike this move from the Jays’ perspective.
OMG now the jays have to rely on Saunders or Pompey.. smh .. thanks Shapiro
I love this trade, we strengthen the bullpen which also makes it easier for Sanchez to potentially move back into the rotation, and in overall value neither Saunders or Pompey is a significant (if at all) drop off from Revere.
Are you kidding me? An oft injured nobody or a AAA piece of nothing can replace one of the league leaders in hits??? Storen is a great add for us but I have long advocated for Ben’s place in the lineup in the face of an under aprreciative fan base. We will feel his loss and no way Saunders or Sh*tpey come close to replacing his value. Boo effing urns.
Fun fact: Ben Revere is pretty garbage of defense, he walks as much as he hits extra base hits and he’s really not good. He’s a 2WAR batter who posts a .320OBP. Have anyone bat infront of Donaldson,Bautista, Encarnacion and Tulowitzki and they’ll score 120 runs.
Sh*tpey? Really…how old are we?
Jeff Todd called this one.
Or was it Steve Adams?
One of the two did so kudos to whichever it was
I suggested a reliever-for-Revere swap in the offseason outlook (linked to above), with Storen in mind, though to be fair I also floated a lot of other ideas.
The dude who called this specifically in the chat the other day was a reader. I just agreed with him that it was a good idea.
Smooth. That guy needs to be hired as a baseball analyst.
I read someone predict this trade on the comments one time, good call
Love this deal for both. For Storen it’s a good change in scenery, and the Nats replace Denard span with a very similar player. Also allows the Jays to give Dalton Pompay some solid playing time. Great deal for both sides.
I think it’s a good move for the Jays. They got rid of an expendable piece (Pompay/Pillar/Saunders should be able to fill CF
Revere played left for Toronto with Pillar in center. He led off. Saunders is injury prone. Pompey isn’t good offensively. This move hurts the Jays on the field & in the lineup
yes and I bet getting storen hurts the bullpen too? the Jays gave up a starter yes but at a logjam position. adding Storen means either Sanchez can move to rotation or better yet the Jays now have an intriguing 7-9th inning group themselves.
you know what also hurts the jays? having only 2 out of 6 guys in the bullpen whom are actually qualified to be there.
this is a great trade. there’s no need to carry 5 outfielders (6 if you count carrera) and of the 5, pillar and joey are staying which leaves pompey, saunders and revere. you want to trade saunders but you’d get nothing for him so the only person left is revere. all good in my books. loving this trade as a jays fan.
Do you even follow baseball? Are you back in the 1980’s-90’s? Ben Revere defensive metrics are not really that good, and he hardly walks-they don’t need his speed with the lineup they have. Pompey/Saunders will be a better platoon. Pompey is in his early 20s and has top 100 prospect upside. Revere due to costs could be a non-tender, and if the CBA keeps the comp pick system, Storen has the potential to draw a pick but Revere does not. Do some research before you talk stupid
Great move for the Jays, considering the market for relievers is exploding.
Terrible Terrible Terrible move for the Jays. Now we have a black hole in left field. Saunders will probably hurt himself combing his hair and pompey is the most over rated prospect in our system. Should have found a sucker to take him as part of a package for starting pitching. Mark my words, he will not amount to anything and is a waste of a 40 man spot.
Good trade – will help both teams needs
Exactly. It’s a classic win-win — the best kind of trades.
I like it.
Wow, the Nats got another player out of this? I don’t like this deal for Toronto.
Sure their offense will be fine without him, but with Tulo and Saunders being the injury threats they are, this offense could seem thin oddly quick.
Agreed. Saunders hasn’t been healthy for a few years. I don’t know how the Jays can trust that he will stay on the field. He also is nowhere near as good as Revere defensively. Revere provided the team with something they don’t have a lot of, speed. He played great defense in left field. He also led off & the Jays really don’t have a lead off hitter to take over him in the lineup. Tulo struggled in that role last season & is better further down the lineup. Ryan Goins isn’t good enough offensively to lead off. Pillar will probably get the first crack, but I’m not sure that’s the best role for him. Trading Revere creates a hole at the top of the lineup and weakens the team defensively in left field unless Pompey can really pick up his game offensively
stop making revere out to be Rickey Henderson..he’s not..he’s serviceable on d but he’s not the wizard you keep trumpeting him to be.
Where else are you going to find a premium reliever without committing top fa dollars. The puts another big arm at the back of the bullpen and hopefully affords them the opening of giving Sanchez every chance to win a spot in the rotation.
The shift from revere to Saunders (if healthy) is nominal of anything at all…and if he’s hurt then you role with Pompey who IS a plus defender an excellent on the base paths. You’re not losing nearly as much as you think you are..Revere was solid in his brief stint as a Jay but his career obp leaves much to be desired.
The sky is not falling.
Terrible grammar and auto correct but you get the jist
I’m not sure I’d call Storen a premium reliver. He has struggled as a set up man. If he isn’t closing, how effective is he going to be? Is he going to pout about not closing and let it affect his pitching like he did last season?
Revere was excellent in left field. He made great catches and between him & Pillar, they covered every inch of the field. How can anybody believe Saunders will stay healthy? He never stay healthy. Pompey isn’t a good enough hitter yet. He needs to work on his offense & would be better served starting the year in Buffalo and improving his hitting.
The Jays need a lead off hitter now. Gibbons said they really didn’t have anyone but Revere who could lead off when asked about Revere leading off for the Jays in 2016. Now, he has to figure one out. Travis might be it once he’s healthy, but he won’t be ready to start the season. Pillar isn’t a lead off hitter because he strikes out too much. I’m guessing the Jays may end up leading Russell Martin off to start the season.
I would’ve preferred the Jays trade for Melancon than Storen
well it’s not a video game teams gotta line up on a deal…don’t think the pirates are in the market for another outfielder.
Yes he’s a premium reliever I’m not gunna bother regurgitating stats he’s got a strong track record…he’s a year removed from putting up a 1.12 era over a full season.
How on earth are they gunna replace revere’s league average defence and career .328 obp!?!?!?
You should be glad they’re finally addressing their biggest need..the bullpen. The offense will be fine…the details will sort themselves out.
As a Pirates fan I loved/still love Russell Martin (Cueto, Cueto chants still ring in my head) but was VERY gald they got Cervelli even before Martin signed with another team. Martin’s contract will be terrible in two years let alone four more down the road.
Also as a Pirates fan I see the Bucs setting up to trade Melancon (signing Juan nicasio, neftali Feliz, and Trevor Haley and still assuredly to sign another lefty reliever) but can’t see any sort of fit for them trading with the Jays unless they want to give up on Devon Travis. Pirates don’t take on big contracts or sell low on their own players. Jays have some young, quality depth in areas that Bucs have better depth, specifically the outfield so on the Jays end I see this as a good deal by turning a useful piece that’s not in the long term plans to fill an immediate need at a spot to try to win now in a division that any team can win.
Storen was upset because he was having a great year as a closer only to be subsequently told that the team was bringing in another person to close. If he was having a down year before that, then he would have no reason to be upset, but considering he got moved from a position where he was having success, he has reason to be upset. And he’s not the only guy in the league to be upset for a similar reason, Kenley Jansen of the Dodgers was upset when he heard that if Chapman got traded there, he would be setting up for him even though he’s been a serviceable closer.
Well said Boojays. Great deal by Shapiro, fills a massive need and gives us the flexibility to go for Sanchez in the rotation….
Actually I think defensive metrics peg saunders as a better LF than revere although revere was great last season for us
revere isnt good defensively. you only think he is because you had been watching colabello take fly balls until revere arrived. revere takes stupid routes to balls.
Cedric Lee is correct, Revere is a really bad defensive player who hits singles. He never knows where the ball is when it’s hit initially and his speed is the only thing that keeps him from becoming an albatross of a fielder. He’s basically Rajai Davis 2.0 in the outfield.
Go to my twitter account (Ryan_Keshet) and see how I called this exact trade in November!
⚾️Jays Man ⚾️ @Ryan_Keshet 22 Nov 2015 Toronto, Ontario
Revere for Storen straight up. Get it done @MarkShapiro!
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Revere for Storen straight up.
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close, nats also get ptbnl
OMG.. either your Psychic or your Mark Shapiro, which one is it? Lol
It’d be pretty meta if he was Shapiro.
Whos going to lead off for the Jays now? An aging Tulo? I’m going to miss his speed on the base-paths, an even bigger void now that Revere is gone.
A wonder that the Jays must be pushing Sanchez to develop his secondary pitches so he can eventually become a starter.. He doesn’t have a strike out pitch, like a good slider or breaking ball.. Storen is another rightly… maybe the jays have some lefties coming up in their system?
Blue Jays are fine at lead-off. Michael Saunders is a good option until Devon Travis is ready to play again. If Ryan Goins can sustain his exceptional second-half walk rate, he may have an opportunity there as well.
Plus, a reminder of the usual caveat: “Lead-off” is largely meaningless after the first inning.
Not entirely. I do agree that a lead off hitter tends to be overvalued, though I think it’s quickly becoming such an overvalue that it’s actually starting to become undervalued.
I think a “lead-off” hitter is someone who can get on base, be it singles, walks, bunts and has good to great base running abilities for the middle of the order bats. (Ex. A fleet footed lead off hitter is more likely to go from 1st to 3rd or even home on a gap double by a slower bc more powerful hitter behind him) A lead off guy is important because that’s the one guy in the lineup that you should be able to rely upon to keep the line moving. Nowadays you see the power guys also have high strikeout percentages so a “lead off” type hitter should allow you to get the opportunity to have some base runners and keep things moving for those power guys. A recent example would be the 2013 Braves who did not have a “lead off” guy but had high power numbers. Successful but most of their runs came off solo home runs whereas a good lead off guy in the lineup may have been able to add a few more runs throughout the season by virtue of getting on base for that middle of the order.
Fun fact: Josh Donaldson lead the league in runs because he’s 1) he’s not obese, he’s got power and he gets on base. Everyone thinks you need a guy who steals bases to be the leadoff hitter yet they’re never the guys who score the most runs on the team. A high OBP/moderate power guy should be hitting leadoff.
Heck 20 years ago you’d never see a #2 hitter have good OBP skills, they were always speedsters serving as the “second leadoff man” nowadays you see Joey Votto, Mike Trout, Josh Donaldson and the list goes on hitting there because you get more plate appearances.
“Speed on the base paths…”? TOR hits doubles and HR…as long as a player can jog or every once in awhile break out into a brisk run…they’ll be fine.
I don’t get why anyone would help the Nats unload Storen.
Um cuz he’s good?
Just a lowly Red Sox fan, love following the Jays, just a fun team.
Seems as if the Jays could have done better unless this move suggests Osuna is going to stretched out to start. As important as he is as a closer, he could be one nasty SP.
done better how exactly. adding a piece they need in the pen.
Osuna had Tommy John Surgery when he pitched in the Mexican League as a teenager, so I highly doubt he will ever become a starter again since he’s having a such great success as a closer.
For those whining about this deal, can you please go somewhere else? It’s not a bad deal…the Jays needed bullpen help big time after the Yankees and Red Sox added relief corps this off season. And Revere is replaceable with Saunders to be 100% and Pompey only getting better with experience. Not to mention there’s nothing Revere does that the Jays can’t replace him with.
Speed? Hello Dalton Pompey.
Hitting? Hello Chris Colabello
Bunting? Hello anybody who practices enough to master it.
We have outfield depth and we needed more bullpen help then we did outfielders. Revere did NOTHING in the playoffs. He couldn’t bunt, he kept striking out….he swings at pitches that are off the plate when he could be drawing more walks AND getting more chances at stealing a base….
Time to move on. Drew Storen needs a change of scenery much like anybody. This is a good trade for both sides. Nuff said.
The Jays don’t have a leadoff hitter without Revere. Pompey has the speed & defensive ability, but not the offense. Colabello is not a good outfielder defensively. Saunders can’t stay healthy. He’s more likely to get injured stepping off the bus than he is playing 100 games. They don’t have one guy who can replace Revere. And don’t tell me Revere did nothing in the playoffs. He won them a few games with his glove.
You act like Pompey has peaked offensively. He just turned 23 and was rushed through the minors. He needed more seasoning. Don’t kid yourself, Pompey will hit in the majors and be far more valuable than Revere in the near future.
Agreed, which is why you hope Saunders is healthy, or you try and use a combo of Pompey/Collabello and Smoak at 1st base. There’s a lot of options to look at.
Anybody could have made the defensive plays he did…..what did he do in the pressure situations when he was up to bat? What did he do when Pompey was standing at 3rd waiting to be cashed in? Did he bunt him in? No…did he get a hit? No… did he walk? No…he swung at bad pitches that were balls, and struck out swinging…..the evidence doesn’t lie.
The blue jays have Devon Travis who lead off very well for our team last season before being injured. And there’s always more options….if Pompey can come around with the bat or Saunders can be healthy and hit, then you’ve got the problem solved…or hello – Kevin Pillar.
It’s not the end of the world. The mets just went to the WS with Curtis Granderson as their lead off hitter. He’s not your prototypical, old school lead off guy. Just have somebody who can get on base (which btw revere doesn’t do very well). They can probably survive with Tulo leading off.
Man you just go on and on with weak ideas
Revere has a career wRC+ of 87. Pompey has a career wRC+ of 88.
I fail to see how Reere is superior to Pompey as a choice of leadoff hitter.
If anything, with more consistent playing time, I expect Pompey’s offensive to improve and surpass that of Revere.
Thank you! Lots of complaints from people acting as if the off season is over now. There’s still moves to be made. You are 100% correct. Reality is, he isn’t that great of a lead off hitter, and can be replaced quite easily.
First of all, Saunders hasn’t been 100% since grade school. Also, Revere wasn’t just a speedy contact hitter that you guys needed at the top of the lineup, he was a much-needed left handed presence that pushed Saunders to the bench, where you guys now seem pretty thin from where I’m sitting. Pompey’s not going to be able to get on base enough when he has to take over Saunders’ starting role after he gets hurt in spring training or April. Pillar might regress a bit, and Bautista’s a free agent after the year. And who was Revere traded for? A moody, inconsistent reliever with a long track record of not performing well late in the season. It’s hard to put a positive spin on this deal for the Blue Jays.
that moody reliever has inexplicably been replaced as closer two seasons now.
the one thing people seem to focus on is reveres speed which certainly is good. the thing is the Jays style isn’t to steal often so you take an element of revere away right there. the Jays maximized on an asset and got a valuable bullpen piece back. it’s how trades should happen.
We have outfield depth and we needed more bullpen help then we did outfielders.
… it is an excellent deal for the Jays, for these reasons and the others you pointed out.
At last, a proven closer., a proven arm at the back of the pen, along with Osuna, Cecil and Sanchez,. The pen is being fortified.
Now onto the next needed change
Ridiculous to think a .300 hitter who can steal 40+ bags would be a 4th OF
He also has a career .677 OPS and .348 slugging percentage. He’s about as close to a one dimensional player as it is possible to be. He’s never even really had an average season with the bat. He’s pretty much the definition of a fourth outfielder. You would think a guy who had 180 + hits in the past two seasons would somehow manage to have more than 22 and 31 extra base hits respectively. Particularly with his aforementioned 40 sb potential. It’s kinda puzzling. You would certainly expect the guy to hit at least 30 doubles a season with that kind of speed.
Really? You don’t think 2.8 and 2.7 oWAR seasons the last 2 years are even “average” performances?
I didn’t say he is, I said that’s a reasonable downside case. But let’s be honest, he’s closer to being a quality fourth outfielder than a perennial superstar.
Revere is a nice player who fits well for the Nats. But his game has limits, even though he hits .300 and runs well. If he puts it all together and figures things out defensively, I guess he could peak as 3 to 4 win player. But it’s not clear there’s much more upside than that and a slip in his BA or fall-off in speed could gut his value.
I can’t see Papelbon being the closer in Washington…
Perhaps the Nats and Pirates could work on a deal built around Melancon and Gonzalez. Pirates get a solid starter and Nats get a top closer and can turn and Chen to take the spot of Gonzalez.
I don’t think they have much of a choice. The simple truth is the Nats have backed themselves into a corner. Paps actions and attitude has dropped his value to a point where the Nats are better off gambling with him as closer.
Definitely the Nationals win here. Storen is under contract just 1 more year and Revere too. Why would the Jays even need to add a PTNBL. Doesn’t make sense for me. Blue Jays lost a guy who could play excellent defense, had an acceptable bat and could lead off. That’s a very valuable all around player. Storen is not a bad pitcher but him giving up and breaking his hand is definitely a cause for concern on me in his work ethic. Yeah I understand he would have been upset loosing his job but a lot of players who have had the same thing done to them, took it a lot more calmer than Storen. Just my two cents any thoughts?
Revere is -22 DRS in CF since 2013 according to Fangraphs.
Although the Nats did have to get rid of Storen IMO
define excellent defense….did you watch him play? he would take stupid routes to balls all the time. he was just quick enough to get there and his arm is weak, can barely get the ball to third base. he is not an excellent defender.
The PTBNL could be just some low level, Single/Double A pitching prospect who is either extremely young or a little old for the minors/has struggled. Its probably more for the fact that the Nats are covering the difference in salaries.
Storen has the higher upside than Revere, but it wasnt gonna happen with the Nationals.
Both teams fill a need, although Revere DRS in center is not good. Certainly not bad OF depth to have around, but Michael Taylor seems like the better player at this point
Nats fan here. Storen is a fantastic pitcher and a very smart, thoughtful guy – if anything he’s too smart and thoughtful (Stanford guy). Great stuff.
The “falling apart” narrative is BS – he was great for the first week after Papelbon came, but fell apart after pitching 4 times in 5 days – Williams tired him out. Of course Storen was pressing after Pap came and once he had a few bad games, it seemed to spiral – but Williams kept throwing him out there.
I am confident that Storen will be fantastic for the Jays. But he was ticked that Pap was there and it was time for a change of scenery. Revere is a good return IMO.
1 from another Nats fan.
Good trade, slap hitting singles hitter who actually sucks defensively and isn’t a significant improvement over Pompey.
Pretty solid deal for the jays. They get their bullpen depth. Nothing not to like about the trade. Justin upton anyone?
nope.. brutal deal for us.. could have gotten the same result by just resigning Lowe.. wishing …hoping Saunders or Pompey can cover is asking a ton.. we will see in short time
They couldn’t afford to sign a good starting pitcher or bullpen guy, how would they pull together enough money to sign Upton? And the last thing the Jays need is another right handed hitter because we all saw how well that played out in SD.
Wow the AL East now officially has to have the best bullpens in baseball. I like this trade for both sides.
If Storen can have a bounce back season, the Jays come out as huge winners here. Revere is an average player. He’s a 2 fWAR guy. Rated about the 40th best outfielder in baseball. Jays can afford to move a piece like that. Storen on the other hand could be a much more valuable bullpen asset.
Revere is better than a 4th outfielder on the Nats. He played excellent defense in left field for the Jays. I don’t agree with the writer that he looked lost on his routes. He obviously didn’t watch him with the Jays. He’s a decent center fielder, but is probably better off as a left fielder. The Nats could always use him in left & play Harper in center most of the time.
Ben revere couldn’t lock down a starting spot in the outfield with the Phillies who have a rule 5 pick as their starting CF and Dominic Brown still on their team. He isn’t by any measure more valuable than a proven back end relief pitcher.
No he doesn’t play excellent defense, Pillar plays excellent defense and Revere couldn’t hold a candle to the amount of ground Pillar covers.
Hate it for the Jays. Why trade away an everyday player for a guy who seemed to have lost it later in the year last year? If it’s for making space for one of the FA left fielders the trade looks okay.
I don’t like the trade for this reason.. Storen isn’t going to be our closer.. a setup guy.. they had a good one in Mark Lowe.. who would have cost what..$5.5 million in total for 2 yrs.. and you still have Revere to use as trade bait for something else.. but you trade him for a guy who got bumped out of his role and will earn a Projected $8.8 million for 1 yr.. and you lose Revere.. a .300 hitter who makes contact.. and was perfect for our monster offence.. if the Jays wanted a grade A closer.. why didn’t they go get freaking Chapman?.. Saunders is a gamble for health.. Pompey same because of his headspace.. here is hoping it works.. but I think it is a dumb move .. they could have gotten a better result by trade.. and the same result with just money.. Shapiro needs to learn Toronto is a BIG MARKET TEAM.. it ain’t Cleveland..
Love this trade for the Blue Jays. We deal from a position of surplus and get something back that we desperately needed – a late inning reliever. Defensively (which was a big part of our second half pitching success) we lose nothing with either Saunders or Pompey out there. I liked having Revere here as a player and a person, but his limited ability to take a walk made him a flawed lead off hitter anyway, so losing him isn’t the end of the world.
like this move way better for the jays side depending if the ptbnl is not anything of significance. revere is best suited in a part time role, even if its 4 days a week. storen had a spike in k rate which is a great sign moving forward. the blue jays definitely were in desperate need of pen help. and for the idiots saying pompey can’t hit, he was only 22 and has had success in the minors. even if he is a slightly below average hitter, his defense is better than reveres. that’s what really matters in a 4th of’r. and saunders is only in a part time role anyway therefore his durability concerns aren’t really a big deal. they aren’t counting on him for 150 games. the nats get injury insurance for werth, although i think goodwin would have been fine as 4th of’r, plus defender, with a little speed.
Idk if it’s been pointed out yet but the bbref link for Billy Hamilton is the wrong Billy Hamilton
Well, I suppose trading Papelbon wasn’t going to happen.
Could this mean that Osuna is moving to the starting rotation?
Nah, Sanchez could make the move, Osuna will stay in the pen at least another year. I wouldn’t be surprised if Storen is the closer though, even with Osuna still in the pen. If they thought Osuna would be a reliever forever, maybe they would stick with him as closer, but because he’s likely headed to the rotation eventually, I think they’ll just go with the more experienced closer.
A trade between the Jays and Expos how many trades have they done ?
I have been discouraged by the Jays as of late but this trade is a breath of fresh air. Storen will strive here, Saunders and Pompy will platoon keeping Saunders healthy. Great move. Keep em coming.
I think Rizzo is still looking to deal Papelbon and bring in Miller and another starter like Chen. They could move one of their young starters like Ross and another piece like Defo. One thing for sure Rizzo isn’t done making moves.
The angels could of had this problem solved last year if they traded the phillies gott
This was a great trade for both teams! I’m a huge Blue Jays fan who also loved Ben Revere, but, Jays needed bullpen help and maxed out their salary cap. They only way was through a trade, who else was desirable Saunders? No way! Nats needed outfielder help with Span going to the Giants, Revere is a possible solution. He’s got a low OPS and defensively he could be a bit better. This is where the Jays find out what Pompey’s made of, he’s 23 years old, every one quit freaking out! It’s the fans that know nothing, nothing about baseball that are upset with this trade.
This deal helps both teams. As stated in story very similar to niese walker trade. When something like this happens there is no need to go crazy
this is a terrible trade, no one on the current Jay’s team has the tools Ben revere has, he hit over 300, possibly most runs on team scored and he’s a speed demon on the base paths. The first thing I knew already and then read was that storen is the 5th most used reliever in the past however many years, then his first comments when he came here was ya I can pitch as setup with a few days of rest in between. So the blue jays traded an upbeat 5 tool player in his prime or hitting it and they got back one of the most used and now tired relievers in the game. Who your lead off? They would have had such a perfect thing going, revere lead off pillar and Travis bottom of line up to get on and in frm revere Donaldson Bautista . End of story of you didn’t know Rogers is cheap and they don’t know very much about baseball which is what the company that preceded them also did know nothing about baseball. Sell the company back to labatts or to an owner that actually sees this as a pastime and hobby and not just a business
Revere a 5-tool player? You’re joking right? Do you even know what the tools are? He is a 2-tool player: he hits for average and runs well. He has no arm strength, no power, and fielding metrics say he isn’t even an average fielder.
And Storen’s comments have nothing to do with him being tired in general, he’s just alluding to the fact that he was overused for a stretch late last season (pitched 4 times in 5 days in early August) and struggled after that. I don’t know where you’re getting your stats but I doubt he is one of the most used relievers in the game, he has only topped 60 innings once (and barely) in the last 4 years, and has thrown less than 350 innings in his career. David Price has thrown 1,440 innings and I bet you would’ve loved to see the Jays throw $200 million at him for 7 years, but you’re complaining about one year of a reliever with 350 innings on his arm like his arm is about to fall off at any moment. Unreal..
And furthermore lets go ahead and take the only one two tandum this team has had since the early 90s and split them up, Aaron Sanchez should stay in the bullpen with osuna. Furthermore the jays probably could have traded Ben revere plus whoever for a decent starting pitcher atleast a 200 innings guy. Why did the yanks and sox get the two best closers in the league for minor leaguers but the jays gave up a major league asset? I don’t care if Shapiro says the minors r depleted, the jays easily could have sent two mid prospects for storen who’s past two seasons are terrible
And revere hit 310 playing everyday so for whoever said he’s better suited part time that’s wish wash don’t care bout reveres this or hikers we have plenty it’s the runs scored avg base hits and stolen bases. And ya lets beleive in dalton Pompey a 22 year old kid who was highly touted by are team and then came up and crapped his pants and stole a few bases
Sorry for so many therefores but some guy said revere played crazy after getting traded here. HELLO!! He had the most hits in national league 2 years ago
Ya he can hit field run and he’s a really good guy that’s the type of player everyone wants? Or would you rather Edwin sign a big deal here and not hit until July August
I wouldn’t have loved David price here, because it was never gunna happen, why would I waste 200 mil on price when he’s thirty? And he’s in a totally different league then the players were talking about. I bet if the jays signed David price you’d crap your pants and reach for the sky like everyone would have, simply put the jays gave up major league talent for storen and the yanks and sox didn’t give up major league talent for kimbrel or chapman regardless of what he’s done. And the jays have to send cash or a player to be named later? Please…