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AL East Notes: Judge, Silverman, Rays, Red Sox

By Jeff Todd | June 28, 2016 at 11:30am CDT

Yankees GM Brian Cashman suggested that outfielder Aaron Judge is not on the cusp of a promotion despite his recent hot streak, as ESPN.com’s Andrew Marchand reports. As Jason Martinez of MLBTR/MLBDepthCharts wrote just yesterday, Judge has improved both his plate discipline and his power of late. While Cashman said that the young slugger has been impressive at Triple-A, he left Marchand with the impression that Judge’s time has yet to come.

Here’s more from the AL East:

  • Rays GM Matthew Silverman says that he’s not yet ready to throw in the towel this year despite sitting 13 games out of the AL East lead, as Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times reports. The executive did note that he is “very dissatisfied” with the club’s performance thus far, however, and certainly did not rule out a sell-off over the coming weeks. “There’s going to be time to cross that bridge when we come to it,” he said. “Right now, there’s a lot of baseball to be played between now and the deadline. There’s a lot of grit in this clubhouse. We’re going to support that club and see if we can turn this thing around.” A run of success can always change perceptions in relatively short order, but the trouble for Tampa Bay is that it needs to climb over four other teams — all of which could well be willing and able to add pieces at the deadline.
  • If and when the Rays do move assets, it’s likely they won’t send them to any of the four other teams in the division, Silverman tells Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald. Tampa Bay’s top baseball decisionmaker acknowledged that he has at least some bias against intra-division swaps. “Personally, we’d prefer not to,” he said. “It’s a lot less fun to have to sit there and watch a player 19 times a year, but at the same time, we can’t cut off all avenues. We have to be open, but if the return is about the same, I would give the nod away from the division.”
  • The Red Sox have an increasing number of holes to address, writes Alex Speier of the Boston Globe. With varying degrees of need in the rotation and pen, out in left field and behind the plate, Boston faces a complicated deadline. Speier notes that the Craig Kimbrel deal cost the club several very useful pieces of trade bait, leaving the organization with a tough call on how willing it is to deal from its group of highly-touted top prospects.
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  1. Mike M 2

    9 years ago

    The Red Sox are fading fast. Unwillingness to trade Benintendi or Moncada might ultimately lead to a missed playoff opportunity.

    Reply
    • Connorsoxfan

      9 years ago

      I think Devers and Espinoza, along with guys like Travis are still enough to headline a package.

      Reply
      • Connorsoxfan

        9 years ago

        Plus, it’s still early enough that everyone is asking for the moon because no market value has been set. So sellers ask for everything and buyers try to give nothing. It’ll all work out come the middle of July.

        Reply
      • bravesguru

        9 years ago

        Yes, they are. Those three could get Vizcaino, Krol and Banuelos from the Braves. But, it will take Moncada plus Devers or Benintendi, plus Brian Johnson or Michael Kopech or Blake Swihart to get Julio Teheran.

        Reply
        • theo2016

          9 years ago

          Lol. 10 starts he’s been good. Pump the brakes. He’s a fine starter but a little hot streak is making braves fans nuts.

          Reply
        • southi

          9 years ago

          Actually Teheran has been good every full season he has been up except for last season (when he was terrible before the all-star break).

          Truthfully none of us know exactly what it may take to make a deal happen but your last comment was not remotely based on fact.

          Reply
        • chound

          9 years ago

          They’d probably throw in the million dollar man (Bud Norris) as well.

          Reply
        • Sam.rhodes16

          9 years ago

          Like every year he’s been up he’s been exceptionally good except that first half of 2015. Please check his stats because you’re sounding really ignorant without them.

          Reply
        • jrwhite21

          9 years ago

          You absolutely crazy. Teheran’s history pegs him as a 2/3 at best. He might land one top 40 prospect

          Reply
      • dlevin11

        9 years ago

        Benintendi and Moncada stay but rest of
        Top 50 prospects should be available including pitchers in talks for Teheran.

        Reply
        • Sam.rhodes16

          9 years ago

          Then it’s not worth it for the braves end of story.

          Reply
    • jakem59

      9 years ago

      The team is still 5 games above .500, hold one of the wild card spots, and have managed this despite losing their entire bench, both halves of their starting LF platoon, their replacements for LF, their backup catcher, and key pieces of their bullpen. Sacrificing long term potential at positions of need just to make the playoffs this year is absurd.

      Reply
      • bravesguru

        9 years ago

        Need to do what it takes to seize the day. Remember some teams go a hundred years between championships.

        Reply
        • stl_cards16 2

          9 years ago

          The playoffs are a crap-shoot. The best way to win a championship is get to the playoffs as many times as possible.

          Reply
        • RunDMC

          9 years ago

          Best way to win a championship is to get to the World Series ad many times as possible.

          Reply
        • jvjc1233

          9 years ago

          Love how much Braves fans think Teheran is worth. Asking for better prospects than the Tigers got for Price last year is absurd

          Reply
        • chound

          9 years ago

          That’s not apples and apples now is it…. CONTRACTS MATTER.

          Reply
        • Sam.rhodes16

          9 years ago

          The difference in contracts is equally absurd. Teherans value is derived from obviously his performance, but also his age (25) and amazing contract given his high2/low1 performance.

          Try again

          Reply
        • stl_cards16 2

          9 years ago

          Yes and the best way to get to the World Series is to get to the playoffs.

          Reply
        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          9 years ago

          Price was a two month rental. Teheran has four more years of control after this one.

          Reply
        • Cobra39

          9 years ago

          Who has EVER gone 100 years between championships?!

          Reply
        • weather

          9 years ago

          The Cubs, and nearly the Red Sox

          Reply
      • vegasbob

        9 years ago

        The only game/season you can win is the one you are playing now. Let next year happen then. Do what you have to in order to win now. The Sox are playing as regulars 5 guys who are talented and cheap and under control for multiple years.Fully half of the 12/13 pitchers are not capable of winning or even getting outs consistently. Do what it takes now

        Reply
    • User 4245925809

      9 years ago

      I can deal with it. Been a fan of them since early 60’s. it’s the young and impatient fans spoiled by recent success of last 12y who have all the problems and forget how it once was.

      Team is better off not giving up any of the top 4, plus Kopech IMO and if must make a deal? Moving some of the others for a SP only.

      Reply
      • stl_cards16 2

        9 years ago

        I haven’t seen a Red Sox fan on here complaining about not trading top prospects. Seems like a nice straw man argument because you don’t like the younger generation.

        Reply
        • User 4245925809

          9 years ago

          Have never noticed a post of yours close to positive with regards to Boston and always snippy regarding myself, why ignored everything you said for years.

          You are a homer with regards to the cards and doubt have watched any other games boston every played that didn’t involve, unless it was inter league, or the 2 WS the cards lost to Boston (i also remember ’67 they lost btw). Maybe if you would open up your horizons some and stop being so awful to myself.. As well as others here.. You would get more fans to actually chat with you, rather than ignore ya…

          Reply
    • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

      9 years ago

      Is it unwillingness or no one of value is being shopped at this point?

      Reply
    • staypuft

      9 years ago

      Relax, every team has peaks and valleys.

      Reply
  2. krillin

    9 years ago

    I think they need to hold tight on LF. No need to trade for that whole. The rest of the offense is good enough to keep them afloat until the players on the DL come back. As for the rotation, that is a completely different story. The Sox will have a hard time winning in September with the guys they have now. I am sure the Braves would trade them Bud Norris for not much at all.

    Reply
    • bigjonliljon

      9 years ago

      I’m not a Red Sox fan but a baseball fan. Cubs fan. Lol. Seems to me the sox have huge holes on starting pitching staff and a few holes on offense. But they score a lot of runs. They need to decide to buy or sell and get to it. I think they should sell. Even if they did make playoffs, which becomes a tournament situation, they don’t have the pitching to go any where. Plus, don’t you guys have a new GM, so we’re not sure what types of deals he would pursue.
      The sox don’t need a rebuild but a reboot gets them strong for a realistic run next year.

      Reply
  3. Niekro

    9 years ago

    Unwillingness to deal Betts or Bogaerts in a deal for Hamels seems to have paid off two of the best young players in baseball. Cant always be short sighted.

    Reply
    • Mark 21

      9 years ago

      I thought the refused to trade Blake Swihart in a trade for Hammels? That was what was said yesterday on NESN. They said it was not a smart decision to not make the trade given how Swihart has turned out and not even a catcher anymore.

      Reply
      • Niekro

        9 years ago

        I seem to recall toward the end of talks Swihart and Owens had both been offered Amaro wanted one of Betts or Bogaerts though on top of that. Amaro dodged a huge bullet by declining that trade with out Betts or Bogaerts and got a great haul from the Rangers.

        Reply
        • Brixton

          9 years ago

          I believe it was Amaro wanted either Swihart/Owens or one of Betts/Bogaerts

          Reply
  4. Sam.rhodes16

    9 years ago

    Would you really be against moving moncada for Teheran? Hell if you want to improve your bullpen (something nearly every contender seems to do every year), then moncada Benni for Teheran and vizzy? Doesn’t seem to be too much to ask at all, considering teheran’s age of 25, his improving performance every year with the exception of the first half of 2015 where he toyed with a sinker in an obviously lost season, and his incredibly team friendly contract?

    For a team like BOS struggling with zero reliability in the rotation outside of an old knuckleballer and losing Carson Smith in the pen for the year, Teheran and Vizzy solve all the problems y’all have this year and until 2020/2021. No-brainer to want to get those guys, but will you be willing to give up the pieces?

    Reply
    • stl_cards16 2

      9 years ago

      You realize no one here can make that decision, right?

      And no, I wouldn’t give up Moncada for Teheran and I definitely wouldn’t give up Benintendi for Vizcaino(would be insane), and I’m not a Boston fan.

      Reply
      • Niekro

        9 years ago

        Agree even as a Braves fan Moncada should be an immediate hangup the value is Teheran’s contract, the Red Sox have 30 million invested in Moncada already, The monetary values would never work out the Red Sox would be giving so much money away Teheran would basically become close to a 20 million dollar a year pitcher investment. The only way it could happen is if the Braves take on a toxic contract neither team would do that.

        It may be even worse if the Red Sox paid 100 percent tax on Moncada not sure if they did or not.

        Reply
        • stl_cards16 2

          9 years ago

          Yes, they did. The Red Sox paid $63 million to get Moncada.

          I know it wasn’t DD who signed him, but he is the one guy I can’t see getting traded. I lean towards Benintendi not being moved either. The rest I think should be in play and could get something done.

          Reply
        • Niekro

          9 years ago

          Yeah so the 25 million over next 3 years left on his contract, plus 63 million on top, Julio Teheran would basically be close to 30 million AAV investment just never happening and foolish to even ask since I don’t think either club wants to add bad contracts to devalue valuable chips.

          Reply
        • Sam.rhodes16

          9 years ago

          Moncada got a signing bonus and an MiLB contract afaik

          Reply
      • Sam.rhodes16

        9 years ago

        Obviously no one here can make that decision; though, side note, Coply actually reads this site frequently.

        But if you’re not giving up moncada , you’re not getting Teheran. Which is fine with ATL.

        Reply
        • jtm2889

          9 years ago

          This season the ATL fans have really gotten vocal, and its apparent that the rebuild is certainly getting to them. Including Moncada in a deal for Teheran would be asinine, and I have really liked Teheran since 2012. While Julio is on a good contract and the Red Sox need pitching, look at his splits: ERA is a full run higher on the road. Moving from a southern city like ATL to Boston is a huge jump, not to mention moving from the NL East to the AL East. Teheran is an above average pitcher in the AL, and who knows how his psyche would hold up pitching in Boston where fans would be expecting a title run post-trade. Also, look at his playoff numbers: Awful. Moncada is worth more than Teheran and the proposed deal of Moncada and Benintendi is Braves fans’ hoopla. Red Sox should really be chasing Sonny Gray and should ignore Teheran unless price is fair.

          Reply
        • Jon429

          9 years ago

          Teheran’s playoff numbers… you mean 1 game at the end of rookie season?
          Not a real good sample size

          Reply
        • jtm2889

          9 years ago

          You’re correct but that also is in line with my argument. Teheran may not be the same pitcher pitching in front of sellout crowds every night and when the games are most important. Who knows how he will perform since he hasn’t had opportunities and when he did he was shelled.

          Reply
        • Jon429

          9 years ago

          Still it was 3 years ago in his rookie year. You’re right, we don’t know how he’d do because he hasn’t had another chance, but I’d feel comfortable betting that it would be a lot better today than it was then.
          Not arguing your other points, I pretty much agree with them. Except I don’t see Boston getting any decent starting pitcher at fair price. Not in this sellers market.

          Reply
        • stymeedone

          9 years ago

          Fine. Since you know all about Buchholtz, just keep him in your rotation. We wouldn’t want you taking someone who has not pitched for Boston, in the playoffs, before. Oh, wait! That would exclude virtually everyone!

          Reply
    • therealryan

      9 years ago

      The Red Sox are my least favorite team, so I would love to see them make this trade. However, I would be pretty surprised if they traded Moncada and even more surprised to see them move both Moncada and Benintendi together. I know I wouldn’t for Teheran and/or Vizcaino.

      Reply
    • bravesguru

      9 years ago

      Not enough value in that for Braves. Need to add two additional top ten prospects to get Arodys and Julio.

      Reply
    • theo2016

      9 years ago

      There was no toying with a sinker. He has the same fastball as last year.

      Reply
      • Sam.rhodes16

        9 years ago

        Do you even watch him play hahah embarrassing how little you know about him

        Reply
        • Kayrall

          9 years ago

          Play nice, now, kids.

          Reply
  5. brandons-3

    9 years ago

    Teherán, Vizcaino, Olivera, Markakis, and Francouer for one of Moncada/Benintendi, Espinoza, Longhi, Castillo, and Sandoval.

    Reply
    • JT19

      9 years ago

      Why would the Sox take on two bad contracts just to get rid of Sandoval? At that point they might as well just keep Sandoval.

      Reply
      • chound

        9 years ago

        Well in all fairness, they wont! BUT, both combined are cheaper and ultimately shorter in duration. HO will be roughly the same length but much cheaper since nearly $5m per is covered by the Dodgers. Markakis only has 2 years left at something like $11m per. There would be savings overall.

        Reply
    • Sam.rhodes16

      9 years ago

      Terrible value for the braves. They don’t even hang up – they leave the open for DD and Co to hear them laugh and laugh and laugh

      Reply
  6. krillin

    9 years ago

    It would not be the first time a team has done so. The Braves did it last year with Swisher and Bourn for Chris Johnson

    Reply
    • Brixton

      9 years ago

      That was so the Braves get all bad contracts off the books before they open their new stadium. Bourn/Swish only had 1 year left, CJ had 2.

      Reply
      • krillin

        9 years ago

        Good call

        Reply
  7. vinscully16

    9 years ago

    One central problem remains in Boston – John Farrell.

    Reply
    • staypuft

      9 years ago

      Care to elaborate?

      Reply
  8. Brixton

    9 years ago

    I think something like Devers, Swihart, Kopech and Henry Ramos for Teheran and Bud Norris would be enough.
    I can’t say how much I don’t think Moncada gets moved, and 2 of their “big 4” getting moved is unlikely.

    Reply
    • Sam.rhodes16

      9 years ago

      ATL doesn’t want Swihart, the failed catcher. Kopech is the one who broke his hand in a dispute with his roommate right? Pass also. Devers as the headliner? Is he still sucking in high A? Damn man lets try to be realistic here at least.

      Reply
      • Jon429

        9 years ago

        Yeah that’s the thing, fans of buying teams only want to give up the prospects that are expendable because they’ve started to look a little less like sure things, yet if I’m the GM of the selling team I’m after the ones that have the most value.

        Reply
      • jtm2889

        9 years ago

        This assessment is wrong on multiple levels. Swihart isn’t so much a failed catcher as he simply isn’t as good defensively as Vazquez. He is about average defensively and could still become above average. Secondly, while Kopech has character concerns that bother me, he is filthy. Wouldn’t be shocked to see him absolutely light up A+. Third, Devers is 19 years old…playing in A+. The same level Dansby Swanson began this year at after 3 seasons of SEC ball. Devers has a lot of upside. I would consider Devers to be an elite prospect while Swihart and Kopech are above average with Kopech having a chance to become an elite prospect.

        Reply
        • stymeedone

          9 years ago

          As a catcher, he’s good enough defensively to be playing in the outfield. He’s failed.

          Reply
        • pturn219

          9 years ago

          He can hit better than anyone on the braves shitty roster

          Reply
        • MikePLV10

          9 years ago

          If Devers is so good, he wouldn’t struggle in A ! That is where teams send there young high level talent.. Ozzie Albies had no trouble there at 18 last season.. I would expect (as RedSox fans believe) this future HOF player would have no problem in A ball..

          Reply
  9. soxshortstop

    9 years ago

    and fire Carl Willis – pitching coach. A little league coach could do better.

    Reply
  10. angrypoptart99

    9 years ago

    Edwin is Jesus

    Reply
  11. Fenway North

    9 years ago

    D.Norris, W.Meyers and D.Pomeranz…all issues solved

    Reply
    • Sam.rhodes16

      9 years ago

      Jesus that would be enough to bankrupt a farm system… Don’t they have Vasquez settled behind the plate?

      Reply
      • Fenway North

        9 years ago

        Yea, not realistic, article said behind the plate.

        Reply
  12. Austin0723

    9 years ago

    I think they might as well give Owens another chance or at least start Cuevas once before they start making trades

    Reply
    • Austin0723

      9 years ago

      And fire the pitching coach because if he couldn’t figure out Price wasn’t lifting his leg high enough earlier in the season and Pedroia fixed that issue before he did there’s a problem

      Reply
  13. Out of place Met fan

    9 years ago

    Red Sox topics and the comment sections is not the same without BigPapi4ever…

    On actual topic…I think the Miller trade has changed perception of what is fair value in a deal for Braves fans

    Reply
    • MikePLV10

      9 years ago

      Unfortunately it has.. But only because of how bad Miller is pitching.. Had he pitched like he did last year in ATL so far, and Arizona was in or battling for 1st place, the trade would be viewed much differently! So you can look at past trades to make opinions on future trades, but it’s like comparing apples to oranges until the trade is made and results are seen..

      Reply
      • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

        9 years ago

        The trade would still be viewed as an overpay even if Miller was pitching the way he pitched in 2015. I still think he can return to form but even then the package the Diamondbacks gave up should have gotten them a true ace like Harvey or Fernandez, not a #2/3 like Miller.

        Reply
  14. AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

    9 years ago

    Red Sox trade Mad Libs:
    “Hi. Yes, we’d like to trade for (insert solid young controllable starting pitcher here). You can’t have (insert pet prospect here), but a package of (insert failed prospect here), (insert spare part here) and (insert AAAA reliever here) should be able to get the job done if you take Pablo Sandoval in the deal. Whadda ya say?”

    Reply
    • Austin0723

      9 years ago

      “But wait there’s more! Accept today and we’ll throw in Castillo”

      Reply
  15. coachb123

    9 years ago

    What exactly have Moncada and Benintendi done in the major leagues?? Oh wait NOTHING!! Prospects are just that PROSPECTS!! Julio and Viz are proven major leaguers.

    Reply
    • Bobby Sweet

      9 years ago

      Completely agree. So when the Braves trade Swanson and Albies or Jay Bruce and a long reliever, because, you know, prospect vs. sure thing, then the Red Sox will discuss Moncada and Benintendi. Until then, Braves fans need to stop thinking Teheran is Felix Hernandez.

      Reply
  16. xalz

    9 years ago

    It is still a little early to actually trade Teheran, without being blown away by an offer. None of Braves Country prospects has stepped up and performed well enough to anchor the staff going into a new stadium with the competitive time stamp of 2017 (per what our front office told us). To be blown away, Benintendi would likely need to headline the package. Even with him included, I doubt the Braves will trade their last dependable starter. To do so, would signal the rebuild will take another season to field a competitive team. Personally, I never thought 2017 was feasible, unless a couple of our prospect starters performed this season. While there is still plenty of season left, it does not look like our pitching is ready this year and I hope they wait on Albies and Swanson call ups until the pitching stabilizes. I expect the Braves to wait until after the International signings on July 2 to see what is needed. As for Moncada, he is probably a non-starter in trade discussions, since the BloSox have so much money invested in him.

    Reply
    • Bobby Sweet

      9 years ago

      You sounded intelligent, until you said “BloSox” and showed your complete disrespect for other teams in MLB, thus proving you’re a homer. Nice try, though.

      Reply
      • xalz

        9 years ago

        Barves, BloSox, Yankmes, and the list goes on. Intelligence and having fun go hand in hand. I actually like the BoSox a great deal, especially compared to the Yankmes. One can be respectful and still exhibit childish playfulness. I hardly think that using a playful nickname in the comments is disrespectful.

        Reply
  17. bcap

    9 years ago

    Should the Astros become sellers here is a trade to the Red Sox I’d like to see:

    Red Sox get:

    Doug Fister SP 11,500,000
    Colby Rasmus LF 8,000,000
    Pat Neshek RP 5,500,000

    Astros Get:

    Clay Bucholtz 13,500,000
    Devers or Espinoza
    Another Mid-level prospect

    All MLB players contracts are up at the end of the year.

    Reply

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