Writing at todaysknuckleball.com, Jon Heyman breaks down the woes of the Dodgers and Angels. Both teams face difficult decisions over the summer. The Dodgers, at least, still seem positioned to contend and could play an interesting role on the trade market.
Here are more notes from the column:
- Amidst the considerable amount of Julio Teheran chatter, one Braves source tells Heyman, “I don’t see the Braves trading Teheran.” That’s a less-definitive statement than the one Heyman received regarding Freddie Freeman, as a source told him the first baseman is “totally off limits,” which lines up with GM John Coppolella’s offseason comments. Heyman adds that the Braves have “tried to dangle” Erick Aybar in trade talks, but he has no value at this point and could simply end up being released, creating an opportunity for one of Atlanta’s top-tier shortstop prospects (Dansby Swanson and Ozhaino Albies).
- Robin Ventura is on the hot seat with the White Sox, Heyman writes (adding more detail here). A team source tells him that there’s a feeling that “patience has been shown” and a change could benefit the team. Bench coach Rick Renteria, who formerly managed the Cubs, could succeed Ventura. Not that it’s particularly surprising, but Heyman adds that former skipper Ozzie Guillen wouldn’t be a candidate to return to his old post.
- The Rockies haven’t yet started receiving calls asking about Carlos Gonzalez, but they’re expected to listen to offers despite hovering around .500 to this point of the season. GM Jeff Bridich tells Heyman that his current focus is on winning and adds that prized righty Jeff Hoffman, who headlined the prospects acquired in last July’s Troy Tulowitzki blockbuster, is “closer than he is far away.”
- While Jonathan Lucroy is perhaps the most-cited trade candidate in baseball, GM David Stearns tells Heyman that an extension can’t be entirely ruled out. Heyman notes that if the Brewers are able to move Ryan Braun, they could look to reallocate some of those funds to locking up Lucroy, who is more open to an extension now that the Brewers are performing better than most pundits expected. There could, of course, be some level of gamesmanship there, as it would make sense for any team official to downplay a prime trade target’s availability.
- The Padres are “open” to trading Wil Myers in the right scenario, says Heyman, but it still seems unlikely that’ll come to fruition. San Diego has received hits on Jon Jay and Derek Norris, though, and presumably the organization is more willing to part with those players.
- There was talk of the Tigers pursuing Chris Davis over the winter, and Heyman says that was indeed the case. The club was considering an offer in the $180MM range for the slugger, per the report. Owner Mike Ilitch also pushed for Yoenis Cespedes over Justin Upton, but the club elected to grab the younger player. That choice is certainly up for debate after their respective starts.
- The Phillies are obvious sellers, but most of their marketable assets reside on the pitching side of the equation. But the club sees infielder Andres Blanco as a plausible piece, with Freddy Galvis also potentially on the block. Blanco isn’t quite repeating his surprising 2015 season, but is hitting at around the league average rate and could be a useful utility piece.
- With continued uncertainty surrounding Felix Hernandez, the Mariners are likely to explore the rotation market this summer. The club has received a nice boost from James Paxton of late, but many of its starters have long-term injury questions so it isn’t surprising to hear that the club is readying for an addition in that area.
- Heyman also floats the idea that the Nationals could dangle top position player prospect Trea Turner in trade talks this summer. He wonders whether he could be the chip that lands a top-end reliever, citing Yankees hurler Andrew Miller and Aroldis Chapman. From my perspective, that would be rather surprising: Turner has shown himself ready for a full crack at the big leagues and is widely considered one of the game’s twenty best prospects. Even if the Nats don’t make him the starter in 2016, he’s a critical part of the team’s middle infield depth right now and an important future piece.
- Veteran outfielder Shane Victorino has rejected several opportunities to join teams on minor-league deals, says Heyman. Victorino is holding out for a shot to join a big league roster.
I can’t imagine them trading turner. Just not realistic
Yeah I really don’t see it.
Especially for a relief pitcher, regardless of how badly the Nationals might need one at the back end of their bullpen.
Well the Cubs are apparently going to get Chapman or Miller with Vogelbach as the headliner, so don’t worry about the Nats dangling Turner; they have no chance at competing with the Cubs.
Vogelbach isn’t nearly the prospect that Turner is and realistically he has no future with the Cubs.
Did the Cubs just drop a series to the Nationals?
Yes they did . If had chapman boom boom out go the lights and Cubs take 2-3 with our 3 4
Or wise. Actually stupid. Lol
That seems like a very bad plan by Shane. Just sign a minor league deal with opt outs
I know. Seems weird that he won’t do that. I was hoping SF would take a look at him but SF likes players who don’t have that kinda chip on their shoulder. However having that “chip” could motivate Victorino to prove people wrong. I’m not a fan of his but feel like he can still contribute.
Heyman is right about the consipuous lack of presence of Magic Johnson at Dodger Stadium. In fact he understates the situation by quite a bit. I go to a lot of games and my seats look right down on the executive seats. Since Kasten & Co. took over I have seen Johnson at maybe two or three games total, and at least one of them was a postseason game. By contrast I see Tommy there almost every single night. He doesn’t stay long but he almost never misses — and he’s 88 years old! Magic was supposed to be the LA face of the new ownership, but he hardly ever shows it. Not just at games, not anywhere, and not just this year, but since the beginning. It’s a crying shame. His involvement with the Dodgers was basically a fraud perpetrated on the fans to make them believe that this ownership was not running things by remote control.
I understand the frustration, Blue, but otherwise I don’t know what any of this means. Magic being at games would have zero impact, and I’m not sure what kind of input you’d want him to have on baseball decisions, but I trust the front office a lot more.
Look, he Dodgers haven’t hit and it has nothing to do with management. That’s been the problem. If Gonzalez, Puig, Turner, Grandal, and Kendrick had been performing at just their average output over the last three years so far this season the Dodgers would be up by six rather than down six.
I’m not sure what you want from management other than to serve as whipping boy for your understandable frustrations. They’ve been all over the international market, and have stayed away from stupid short-term trades that would have gutted a promising core.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that you can disagree all you want with the approach Dodger management prefers, which favors youth and draft picks over free agents and trades for veteran stars. But there is zero evidence management isn’t interested in winning. I would say there is plenty of evidence they’re interested in winning over the long term the way the Cardinals do. If they had done things your way, maybe we get David Price for half of last year. But at what cost? And only for a slightly better chance at winning it all, as the Toronto Bluejays can tell you.
It matters whether ownership understands the frustrations of the fan base. We are paying the bills after all. This goes back a long way now, obviously, and it wouldn’t be fair to lay all of it on doorstep of the current owners. Trust me, Dodgers fans get that part, those of us who lived through Fox and the McCourts. At first they said all the right things. Kasten even showed up at the ballpark a few times, just to talk to the fans. It was great. Made us feel like we had an owner who cared, at long last. Now, we only hear from Friedman, and his bland, corporate responses to every question. He might be a great middle manager at IBM, but at communicating to long suffering fans, he is awful. Maybe Magic would be better at that. Who knows, he’s the invisible man.
We can give them top grades for rebuilding the farm after decades of neglect. Good job. But the farm is like a bank balance. It isn’t worth anything if all you do is admire it. We all know nobody builds winning teams entirely from homegrown talent. So will they make the moves they need when they need? When they were in the position to spend a bit of that capital last year, they did it poorly. The result was predictable. The same goes for this season. The team was not improved in the winter, so who would expect better results?
As far as the plan is concerned, your guess is as good as mine. But until they show us otherwise, one theory that can’t be rejected is that Friedman and Zaidi were hired to field a much less expensive (read: profitable) team, and not necessarily a championship team. The only good news I get from Heyman’s piece is that maybe ownership is becoming as frustrated as the fans, maybe even for some of the same reasons. Maybe the smaller crowds are starting to hit them in the wallet and they are afraid they won’t be able to raise ticket prices again next year. I don’t know. All I know is somebody over there has to get it. Soon. Very soon.
If this stuff bothers you be glad you’re not an M’s fan. When we had good teams they would not spend the money to fill in any holes. Lou left because he kept asking to get a player or two and they would not spend the money. It was run like a business and the bottom line was all that mattered. They wouldn’t take the chance that a winning team would make more money too much of a risk. Lucky Nintendo is selling off a majority of its shares and week sit back and earn profits with no money out of their pocket. Hopefully in a couple years we can lose the no WS moniker Jenn i don’t care if we lose the first one just get even though of course i would rather win.
“The problem with the sport is that it’s a business and the problem with the business is that it’s a sport”. It’s gotta be hard to balance those two things.
Blue, I think it would be wise to step back and look at the last three years in proper perspective. The Dodgers have been among the winningest teams during that stretch. I believe only the Cardinals have won more games since 2013. They’ve won the NL West three years in a row, the first time that has happened. Even counting this year up to today (and last night’s frustrating loss), they are 24 games better than the Giants since 2013.
That’s quite a record of success. Compare it to the history whereslou mentions regarding the Mariners… but also most other teams.
Right now I think you have to acknowledge that many Dodger fans are unable to see the great recent success of our team because of what the Giants have accomplished in post season. 2014 was particularly frustrating because the Giants didn’t deserve to even be in the playoffs, but thanks to the new duel wildcard format, they only had to win one extra game to put themselves on an equal footing with the teams that had won their divisions.
But looking at the Giants is no way to evaluate the Dodgers. Face it, if Dodgers don’t lose both of those ridiculously close games to start the NLCS in St. Louis in 2013, if Kershaw doesn’t melt down in the 7th in game one in 2014, and if Corey Seager covers third in game five last year, you might be looking at all of this in a different light. Do you think Giant fan worries that their organization doesn’t want to win, or that it is fundamentally out of touch when they fall six or more games back of the Dodgers (as they have repeatedly over the last three years)? No. Why? Because they have won the crap shoot that is the MLB playoffs. But the Dodgers have been the superior organization for the last three years, and should be for quite some time.
Most of that winning stretch was under the previous FO (and it is also worth remembering, even the McCourts managed to win divisions). I am now judging the work of this FO and it is entirely fair to do so by the results they have produced on the field of play. They are objectively poor. Keep in mind, it was this FO’s decision to blame last year’s failed postseason on the coaching staff, to hire people loyal to them, and not to accept any responsibility for their poor choices. How very corporate. And that kind of management style pays off, when?
Last night’s game could be the anatomy of a failed season. The starter they hired to replace Grienke was a mess, just as he’s been for most of the season. The castoff reliever melted down. They failed to capitalize on defensive mistakes. They made a boneheaded base running error. They could not use the overused Jansen in a tie game in the 9th because they’ve been going to that well too often, in no small part because they continue to carry the dead weight Hatcher on the roster. Hello, front office?
Looking at the Giants might be an excellent way to evaluate the Dodgers. The Giants are not trying to grab the brass ring every season, but when they see daylight, they go for it. They are running away with the division because they made improvements and the Dodgers regressed. The regression was a choice. They let Grienke go. They didn’t even make Cueto an offer. Both ended up playing for a division rival. Nice going, guys.
And let’s not for a moment think it was because the Dodgers could not have afforded either of them. This franchise is the richest in baseball. They are pulling down at least $400M in annual revenue. But you know, the less they spend on the product the more they get to keep for themselves. It’s a plan, it just doesn’t have anything to do with the fans.
The same thing is going on in LA. This team is being managed for profits, not winning.
Ok, but looking only at the bottom line of post-season results is fairly corporate as well. You can’t just side-step the fact that the post-season is a crap shoot. Ask the Braves. Ask the Marlins, who have never won a division, but won two World Series. Ask the 2001 Mariners, who won 116 games.
All you can do is build a quality team and hope for the best.
Also, the Giants are hardly running away with the division. The Dodgers did run away with the West the last three years, and they were this far back or worse in two of those years. So it is a bit early to judge.
I admit that the signing of Cueto by the Giants, and the non-signing of Greinke has me concerned. The Giants haven’t had a one-two-punch like this in a while, so they aren’t as prone to slumps.
But the Dodgers tried to sign Greinke for a lot of money before the D-Backs started throwing money at him like drunken stock brokers. How is that working out for the D-Backs? Ok, maybe too early to tell for sure, but they are in much worse shape than the Dodgers.
Bottom line: I love the direction of the team, if not the immediate results this year. The latter has a lot more to do with Gonzalez, Turner, Puig, and Grandal not hitting than anything you mentioned about last night.
We all know how the postseason works, but we also know postseason success requires preparation, and preparation includes filling the obvious gaps in the roster. The prepared teams (Mets, Royals) got there. We all knew what the Dodgers needed, and we should also be able to draw a line between what they lacked and them being eliminated again.
Last season the Dodgers really had only one consistent thing going for them, the one-two punch of Kershaw and Grienke. This year they have the one-punch followed by a few light slaps. The performance of everybody in this rotation who isn’t Kershaw is dismal, and not any worse than anyone could have predicted. Without Kershaw they’d be a last place team. As it is, they are likely a third-place team. If only because of Kershaw, Grienke would have been a lot more useful on the Dodgers than he is on the Diamondbacks.
You are correct, the Giants have this year what the Dodgers had last. They are both stronger and more balanced, and consequently not as prone to slumps. The Dodgers, despite their huge budget and resources, are playing it more like a small-market team. If everything bounces right, they will contend. If anything doesn’t bounce right, it’s wait until next year. Again. The Dodgers have the best player in the recent history of baseball but he’s got basically odds and ends built around him. What a waste. Kershaw is virtually guaranteed to walk after next year. Won’t that be fun, Dodger fans?
Getting down to specific players, we saw signs in the second half of last season that Gonzales may be starting to break down. It may not be realistic to expect him to carry the offense any longer. Seeing that suggested a need to retool. Management didn’t seem to think so.
Grandal, he’s had only a few short stretches of positive contributions offensively. His entire career line is nothing to write home about. Management wanted him for his pitch framing anyway so they are probably still satisfied with him.
Turner coming off knee surgery had to limit expectations. It looks like he’s starting to shake it off. But speaking of Turner, how about all that talk of an extension?
Puig, the permanent enigma. Missing half of last season to a recurring injury doesn’t sound like somebody to plan around. Again, management didn’t think any retooling was needed (yes I know the last minute loss of Ethier complicated this situation a lot).
What about that bullpen? On any contending team, a waste of space like Hatcher would have been traded, sent down, or released. But the Whiz Kids continue to believe in him, apparently no matter how poorly he performs. And taking on the castoffs Fien and Coleman don’t exactly inspire confidence. At least they are not still trying to foist Avelan on us. He was too awful even for them. Again we are talking about four relievers this FO went after (being too polite to bring up Johnson). Do they not deserve to own the results? And speaking of the bullpen, how about all that talk of extending Jansen?
Games like last night, they’ve been happening all season. Games like last night are why the Dodgers are where they are. It’s all the things wrong with this team in a spotlight, with the added attraction of Grandal and Turner chewing on each other in the dugout. Failure is aways an orphan.
Cannot imagine Turner being traded. Also, hope Braves keep Aybar til the deadline. He is starting to hit his usual June progression.
Yes, Aybar, since he has come back with the team, has actually looked, dare I say, like an adequate major leaguer!! lol
The next game Aybar plays in, he will finally raise his batting average above the .200 mark, and after watching him at the plate, since his return, his average and on-base percentage, should both definitely continue to steadily increase!!
By the time the trade deadline comes around, I could actually see Aybar rebuilding a decent bit of his value and then I’m sure the Braves will part with him. Most likely, even if Aybar continues to show some really good signs, the Braves will only receive an A-ball to Advanced A-ball relief pitcher or utility guy.
Either which way it ultimately turns out, hopefully Aybar can continue to turn his season around, and both he and the Braves benefit from his progression!!
Gogerty, let me ask you this: If Chase d’Arnaud is traded, with his success thus far this season, what would you expect, in terms of a return if he is traded??
Or do you think maybe they might trade Chase, and then add in a minor league pitcher or two to sweeten the deal??
I think we very well could end up seeing a couple trades, where the Braves end up throwing in a couple pitching prospects in order to receive a better final return…
That’s just my personal opinion, but to me it makes perfect sense…With all of these new guys coming in, and with the sheer MASSIVE amount of pitching talent in the Braves system…
Wouldn’t it make the most sense to trade away some of the lesser pitching prospects, to get better hitting prospects in trades, to add to their system???
What are your thoughts Gogerty??
I get what you’re saying about the pitchers but I don’t see that happening. I’ll elaborate later.
I can say for one the Braves probably won’t be trading d’Arnaud. Not that he’s all that, but he’s one of few people on this team who is producing. Not to mention, as d’Arnaud has been a journeyman of sorts, there won’t be a great offer for him. Now, if some team is desperate they may offer up a AA prospect or something for him but idk.
Now on to Aybar. If he can raise that BA and start being a decent MLB player again, some teams may go after him. but I do believe Aybar is a free agent last year which lowers a possible return. But I do think Aybar doesn’t last the whole season, I think with the way Chase is playing, Gordon Beckham’s activation leads to Aybar getting DFA’d. And no, I don’t think it’ll be Ozzie/Dansby as Aybar’s replacement this season (if he is trading/cut) because I don’t think ATL wants them playing everyday. I think they’ll wait unti September to call them up and play them.
Here’s ATL master plan.
Next year the Braves will have an offensive core of Dansby-Ozzie-Freeman-Ender-Mallex and a pitching core of Julio-Wisler-Vizcaino AT LEAST. Braves will use their new stadium snd their youth and their stocked farm system in order to lure free agents, and to use those prospects to make trades for big bats
This is to contend (wild card probably) in 2017 and then it will set us up in 2018 and beyond to be a dynasty.
Fire Robin now so Sox fans see u guys are serious
I’m actually pretty interested in the Wil Myers rumor. He’s often injured but the guy is still fairly young and is productive when healthy. Seems like someone who could really make an impact.
Not that offense is the problem for my birds, or that we have anything worth trading, but I would love to see Wil Myers man RF/LF in Camden Yards for the next few years.
I can see the padres taking kolten wong and his contract, conney, weaver, and bader for wil myers and other pieces like rodney, villanueva, and jay as rentals for the season. Being former cardinals villaneuva and jay know the personnel. And can never have enough bullpen options.
That is grossly under rating Wil Myers and Fernando Rodney. Rodney has dominated despite a pretty bad walk rate and has an incredibly cheap team option while Myers still has three years of control
I would like Seattle to check in on Meyers I think they need help in RF and first. Not sure why just not a fan of Seth Smith so i would like him replaced and he could platoon with Guti and Cruz out them there and also at first with Dae Ho Lee who i would like to see her more time. Lind is pretty bad at the plate or really streaky would be more accurate. The streak last four 2-3 games then is gone. Meyers could help on both spots which would give us room for another bat off the bench.
Rodney is 39 years old, wil myers while productive has a wrist injury history the previous 2 years, which plays against him value wise.
Also, weaver bader wong and conney are a starting point that headlines a deal for myers.
Weaver is the only top prospect and he’s not even an elite prospect. Kolten wong has not produced this year and has been sent down I believe
He was struggling with wrist issues for like 3 seasons but he got a bone spur removed this offseason and that appears to have remedied him at least this far. He has been surprisingly productive this season
The Braves have moved Albies to 2nd. Swanson is the SS of the future, but he has struggled since his promotion.
They have not moved Albies to second… He’s still a shortstop
9 of his last 10 starts have been at 2nd, I think that’s pretty telling.
Hate the Cards, but I have to agree with him, Albies has 2B written all over him and they are starting the transition now.
That’s largely because Aybar was on rehab assignment there
Brian Cashman needs to get on the phone right now and see if he has a shot at landing both Turner and Myers. Yeah, it’s a pipe dream. Unload Gardner, Headley, a few middling prospects and a few briefcases of cash and land Myers and a throw in. Myers can play first this year and move to LF next year. Chapman for Turner? If I’m Cashman I’m all over that. Either put Turner at third or have him play 2B and move Castro over. Of course it will never happen, but we Yankee fans can dream…
LOL chapman for turner? No, more like champman, miller, betances, and another for turner and lower a ball prospects that have a c upside. No way the yankees get turner for just chapman.
Also to land wil myers youre offering judge +others. He’s actually worthwhile as a hitter and comes with 2-3 more seasons of control.
Its not even a pipe dream. Its a you have a better chance of winning the powerball, hooking up w/kate upton and megan fox, and discover the secret to immortality dream.
Now who’s dreaming? Turner is not worth Chapman, Betances, Miller, AND a prospect in MLB or fantasy baseball. The Nats don’t get by the Cubs without upgrading their bullpen and guys like Miller and Chapman are an answer to that problem. Maybe you add another piece like Romine or even Tyler Austin, but no way Judge or Mateo or any of the Yanks top prospects are included. Sanchez is an option, but probably not in this deal. It will take an SP to move Miller or any of the top prospects. The Nats window to winning the WS is closing fast without the TV deal and key contracts coming to an end in the next few years.
And no, the Pads don’t want Headley but the Yanks would probably like to move him and cash if they got another IF piece. Myers’ injury history will limit the haul the Pads get for him if they pull the trigger on a trade.
Miller betances and chapman for turmer, top 10 prospect, and 4-5 guys in A ball or AA ball gets a deal done. No team can offer a turner like prospect that looks ready at the mlb level in times he’s been up. Chapman, miller, betances individually will not command a player better than turner. Might command more haul wise, but quantity and quality are very different.
But miller betances chapman for turner, osvaldo abreu, jakson reetz,rafael bautista, andrew stevenson, christopher bostick, and nick lee gets a deal done. Yankees can buy relievers. They cant buy prospects to fill other voids.
The Padres would want more than that for Myers. Also, they would definitely not want to have Chase Headley back.
Aaron judge, jorge mateo, drew finley, mason williams, brady lail, jordan montgomery for wil myers, tayvon guerrero, alex dickerson, and derek norris i think makes a lot of sense for the padres and yankees get 3 years of myers and 2 of norris
Think back to what the return for 3y of control on Kimbrel was.. the 50th and 85th ranked BA prospects, along with a kid Boston had just given 750k to in an over slot deal in last year’s draft.
Just HOW is half a season of Chapman worth fantasy returns?
Heyman is just being Heyman. Stirring the pot. If there is one player that can be built around and start to rebuild the fan base triust with ownership; it would be Myers. Still need to see if he can sustain the early success this year and next before you talk extension or buying out arbitration years. He has been a model citizen, young, cheap and genuinely seems to want to be here.
I know it will never happen. But Big Papi’s last season, wonder what package comes back covering their biggest needs; 1B and SP.
As great as a year he’s having, the guy cannot field so there’s only a handful of teams who would have use for him. A 40 year old DH does not bring back a package. Or at least not a significant one.
I would think Hanley is still the 1B next year with Sandoval being the DH.
I am sorry,y reference was to Freddie Freeman at first for Boston and Julio 3rd in the rotation. That would lead to an ungodly return.
Boston needs a starter of Teheran’s caliber (25 years old, innings eater, durable, ERA under 3, strikes out almost 9 hitters per 9 innings, only costs $42 mil over the next 4 1/2 years). BUMS are getting $15-$20 million a year on the free agent market! Teheran’s talent AND contract is EXTREMELY valuable to a team!
Braves need youth, power at 3rd base, outfield and catcher. Boston has Andrew Benintendi, Blake Swihart and Yoan Moncada available to trade! I know, all three are highly touted prospects. However all three are just that: PROSPECTS, not sure things! Teheran is a sure thing…and on the cheap (when compared to the hit and miss that is expensive Free Agency)! Right now, it’s a seller’s market! If Boston (or any team) wants Teheran…they need to pay..and pay dearly!
If The Marlins were to offer Jose Fernandez in a trade…I would agree, he’s more talented/more dominant than Teheran. However he is eligible for arbitration…and his salary will DRASTICALLY jump in each of the next three years…AND…then he’s a free agent…where he will be MORE expensive! Plus, Fernandez has a history of arm problems (whereas Teheran has been healthy throughout his career). So unless The Fish put Fernandez on The Market….it’s either pay The Braves a steep price…or good luck with THE BUMS out there, lol!
Teheran is a top-end #2 (ceiling) down to a back-end #3 (floor). His contract provides extra value when compared against contracts handed out over the last couple of years….but he is far from an ace. ATL can nudge the price up a bit more because of a lack of front-end arms being available right now, but they aren’t going to get #1 starter kind of value.
His career #’s (ignoring W/L which is meaningless if on a bad team):
WHIP: 1.17
BAA: .238
ERA: 3.38
Solid stats…but not #1 stats.
Well said man. I like where the Braves sit and hope the international signing period in a few weeks is fruitful. It will also help determine what our future needs are from that point. Maitan will be a good starting point, hope we can land him to guide his development to the bigs.
I find it hard to believe that “the Rockies haven’t yet started receiving calls asking about Carlos Gonzalez”.
I can understand the club not wanting to pull the trigger on a deal for their slugging RF until the eve of the summer trade deadline, if then, but for no other team to at least make a call to the Rockies concerning “Cargo’s” potential availability seems unfathomable. I can’t believe a team like the White Sox, who are desperate for a left-handed bat to supplement the middle of their batting order and one that has already been pro-active at this early juncture of the season, haven’t at least made a call to the Rockies by now.
The sox are not gonna land cargo. I could see them pulling in maybe Jon jay for depth, Kole Calhoun, or reddick and maybe a bullpen arm. The Rockies are gonna ask for fulmer and spencer Adams. Unless the sox are serious about cargo, then pull the trigger. I believe Hahn is doing his best on not trading his best prospects.
Shane Victorino could help a lot of clubs as a 4th outfielder
To all of you don’t think Tehran is not top end starter . I’m going give you a stat you can’t refuse . One of the ” most important stats that most people would tell you is one most important stat tell how good a pitcher is strike out to walk ratio ”
Names. Career So/BB%
Tehran 3.08
Tillman. 2.13
Gray. 2.62
Arrieta. 2.91
Darvich 2.99
Archer. 2.91
T Ross. 2.86
And if you want take it to even take it to next leave . I show you all how he compares to even better numbers then price , kershaw bumgarner
To price kershaw , bumgarner , Zimmerman , Cueto , Greinke
Here it is I know you fill try to tell me I don’t now what I’m talk about when I say this ,but here it is anyway. We all can say Tehran is in his 6 major league season but what you mite not know Tehran, first 2 season he only started 7 game in majors combine so if you take those season away and if you take last season away when there was a lot of factors Including fact he was throwing his 2 seamer way to much which made most of people think is velocity was down but it wasn’t he could still hit 94-95 on his fastball the other problem in fact he was throwing 2 seamer which management want him to throw . It mad his best weapon his great change up look to hittable , which made his look worse then he was . Now he back throwing his 4 seamer it made his slider look better and his change up look better ( a before I forget for all of you bring up the home runs he’s given up . Well hate to inform you this he over throwing his slider . And if any of you have ever really pitched you will know that sliders are easier to hit a home run then curveball if you don’t get break on it it becomes a slow fastball that will come over the middle of the plate and be like hitting off a tie . He need throw more of his change up and mix it up better .) now getting back to what I was talking about you would see he really has pitched 3 season including this season and if you project rest of season , and he stays on path . And divide the season to one number and take thought number through his 9th season which most of pitcher above are at less in you will end with these numbers
Names. W. L. Era. Ing. GS. So. BB. So/bb%
Tehran. 120. 84. 2.36. 1879. 297. 1879
Names. W. L. Era. Ings. GS. So. Bb. So/bb %
Tehran. 120. 84. 2.36. 1879. 297. 1879. 459. 4.09
Price. 111. 60. 3.18. 1533. 277. 1474. 395. 3.73
Kershaw. . 124. 57. 2.38. 1719. 232. 1879 473. 3.97
Bumgarner. 93. 60. 2.95. 1227. 194. 1277. 294. 4.17
Samardziga 54. 65. 4.04. 1072. 182. 969. 459. 2.81
Zimmerman. 89 62. 3.33. 1321. 213. 1048. 268. 3.91
Cueto. 105. 71. 3.22. 1252. 239. 1252. 429. 2.91
Greinke. 111 82. 2.39. 2391.1 261. 1486. 309. 4.81
Dodger/kc years
Now if that does show he is ” elite then I don’t know what I have to prove and that not even say in fact that they will all make 2 to 3 time more then him and fact his numbers will most likely get better then those numbers