The Mets reached out to the Athletics recently to inquire about third baseman Danny Valencia, according to a report from Ken Davidoff of the New York Post. New York went on to acquire Kelly Johnson from the Braves, but as Davidoff notes, that move doesn’t necessarily rule out a continued pursuit of Valencia.
Johnson was added both to fill an immediate need and to provide a utility option the rest of the way. Valencia, though, would be a more significant target. It’s certainly arguable that he makes even more sense for New York now than he did a few weeks back, given that David Wright has elected to undergo neck surgery due to the lack of progress on his rest-and-rehab plan.
Valencia would represent more of a direct replacement for Wright, allowing Wilmer Flores to spend more time elsewhere in the infield and pushing Johnson into a fairly limited utility role. Though he isn’t regarded as a very good fielder, Valencia has seen the field at multiple other positions, with time at the corner outfield, first base, and even second base all on his resume.
That positional flexibility ought to increase Valencia’s appeal as a trade target, especially for a New York team that faces long-term questions with Wright and will lose second baseman Neil Walker to free agency after the season.
Valencia is greatly outperforming the $3.15MM deal he signed to avoid arbitration before the 2016 campaign. He is slashing .327/.370/.550 with ten home runs over 184 plate appearances on the year, adding to the already-impressive results from a season ago. In fact, in over a thousand trips to the plate since the start of 2013, Valencia has mashed to the tune of a .290/.334/.489 line.
If he can keep up anything approaching that level of production, Valencia would make for quite a nice replacement for Wright (or upgrade for any other team that might pursue him). Of course, Oakland might prefer not to trade him for the same reason, as he’ll be controllable one more time via arbitration after the season. The A’s may well hang a fairly substantial asking price on the one-time journeyman, who has risen to the number four spot on MLBTR’s most recent ranking of top trade candidates.
A'sfaninUK
Wheeler for Valencia kind of makes sense for both sides.
coombs11m
Would rather have young healthier guys than someone who will be coming off TJ surgery.
andreasd
Valencia is also having a bit of an outlier season. But then again, the only thing we know of wheeler is that he has a lot of potential. We’ve only seen a small sample size.
A'sfaninUK
Not true about an “outlier” season, Valencia has an .823 OPS over his last 1016 PAs from 2013-present. He’s been hitting every time he’s been allowed to be in the lineup, no matter where he’s been.
RunDMC
I didn’t know there’s still a stigma for TJ survivors. We now have a TJ survivor in the Hall of Fame (Smoltz) and another that was going to be the top FA of next offseason (Strasburg).
James7430
Agreed. By the way, Strasburg signed a nice extension last month so he won’t be a FA.
Gogerty
Hints why he said “was going to be…”
chesteraarthur
The stigma still exists because it’s unclear what the shelf life for the repaired ligaments is.
hanks1hammer
Read DMC’s comment again. He said Strasburg WAS going to be the top FA
BoldyMinnesota
Wheeler straight up? Or would that be not enough
A'sfaninUK
I’m not sure. Valencia is really good but not without his own injury, defense and poor baserunning issues. He’s a legit masher and the Mets have some depth to help the A’s.
Or maybe Beane says “anyone off my MLB roster not named Sonny for Matz?” and packages Valencia, Hill and Doolittle for him, something like that?
kingjenrry
Matz is better than Sonny Gray, for one.
CTBrowns
Seriously? You include Wheeler, then I’m talking about a Sonny Gray deal. And the Mets don’t need a starting pitcher.
Valencia is gonna get you a ‘B’ prospect, maybe a ‘C’ as well. But Wheeler? No way.
hakunamoncada
The Mets were going to trade Wheeler for Carlos Gomez last season and Gomez made more than Valencia and wasn’t having near the season Valencia currently is. I would say Wheeler for Valencia is a definite possibility.
unpaidobserver
Mets gave up a legit prospect in Casey Meisner last year for a reliever that’s never held down a closer role for more than three months at a time. Me thinking Valencia has about as much value as anyone on the market, and he comes with 1 1/2 yrs of control. He continues to mash, he’s makes 8 mil at most next year–and that would be with a massive arbitration award.
Not saying the Mets SHOULD give up more, but if they want Valencia, it’s going to take one blue chip prospect AND one B-level prospect.
kahnkobra
have you checked in on meisner? he is getting destroyed in the minors. that’s why he was available. Valencia is having a career year, no way I’m giving up wheeler or any top prospects
hanks1hammer
I think you are underestimating the risk Wheeler is. He’s only had one relatively full season and his combined numbers or individual years of production, whichever way you prefer to look at it, has demonstrated a good no.3 guy. Valencia has been producing strong for 1000 PA. That’s a pretty good sample size. I’d say Wheeler/Valencia isn’t a bad deal
ralphrc
Are you kidding? Valencia is a journeyman having a career year. Check how many teams he’s been with. No way would Wheeler be traded for this guy.
bkwalker510
You should look at Valencia’s numbers over his last 1000 or so PA’s. Clearly it’s not just a half season of “luck.” The dude can hit.
KnuckleNasty
It will take much more than Wheeler assuredly, probably Herrera also and another good minor league arms that hasn’t been cut on in the last 18 months.
The A’s haven’the exactly had a lot of success with guys coming of TJ surgery in recent memory. I can’t see how trading their cheap good 3b for Wheeler alone excites them in the least.
rubionyc
Only a lunatic would think the Mets would give up Wheeler for a journey man like Valencia, or Herrera. Please inform of us of your highly regarded scouting and pro sports management credentials…….What team in their right mind would trade 6 years of control of a 2B prospect for 2.5 years of a drifting player with a respectable half of a season? I just don’t get your logic
arc89
I agree that the A’s say no to Wheeler. The A’s have flooded the market on TJS pitchers don’t need another one. A’s need outfielders or good young starters
Math&Baseball
1. Its not a respectable half aseason.
2015 he batted .290/.345/.519. 2016 he’s posting even better numbers.
2. You’re the mets coming off a ws loss to the royals and battling the nationals for the division. You dont have wright and could use an upgrade at 3rd and 1st and catcher. Plus, walker is leaving.
3. Wheeler is doing nothing atm, nor ynoa whos at triple a , and a package of montero, ynoa, wheeler, nimmo, and cecchini could headline a sonny gray valencia vogt alonso trade. But if you just want valencia and vogt, plus say alonso to sure up 1st it will be wheeler, ynoa, and a guy like becerra.
2.5 years of valencia whos had a stellar year and a half, 3 arb years of vogt whos offensively better than plawecki, though older, and 1 year of arb for alonso.
Ted
Valencia has not had a “stellar” year and a half. He’s been serviceable. Hes looking at a 2 WAR season this year, right on part with last year. That’s not stellar but “decent to good.” He’s got a decent stick but cannot play defense. He nets you a comparably decent upper level prospect or a low level guy with raw tools. A healthy Wheeler is arguably a better return than the As got for Donaldson two years ago. He’s not healthy yet, but Valencia is nothing compared to Donaldson.
Math&Baseball
His defense is what drags down his WAR. Considering in his last 516 at bats hes hitting .302 with 28 HRs and 90 RBIs thats stellar production at the plate from a 3B. Name me anyone better in the year and a half that has put up similar or better numbers in less than, equal, or slightly above at bats, for equal to or less than what valencia is making. You won’t find many 3B putting up that for 3.15 mill or less.
Ted
I dont care about his offensive numbers if he can’t play defense. Being great at half the game doesn’t mean anything if your overall value is mediocre. Look, Valencia would be a fine fill in for the Mets, but he’s not a great player. He’s a decent player. This talk of tradong him for a frontline pitching prospect is nuts in my opinion.
kingjenrry
That’s completely unreasonable. That’s easily 3x what the Mets gave up for Céspedes, a better player having a better year. Come on, now.
kahnkobra
you wish Valencia would command wheeler, Herrera plus more. I don’t even want Valencia. Sign the Cuban I like that gamble better
thatmansaballoon
If the Mets trade Wheeler for Danny Valencia…Met fans will riot.
thunder12k
Truth
arc89
A’s fans would riot. Just what the A’s don’t need is another TJS pitcher. A’s have 3 on the DL and 2 recovering TJS pitchers. Hate to tell you mets fans they don’t come back as good as the once was.
thunder12k
Jose Fernandez and the long list of TJS pitchers would probably disagree
arc89
Long list? For every one that does came back there are 5 that didn’t. The odds are against those pitchers. I would rather have a .300 hitting third baseman than a guy that you cross your finger and hope to pitch again.
Ted
Odds are against them? Name some recent pitchers who haven’t come back from TJS. I can’t think of many. Seems darn near every mlb starter has had it, and most come back just fine or better. It’s not 1990 anymore. TJS is routine.
arc89
Even Mets fans know that is not true. Bobby Parnell ring a bell or Jeremy Hefner, What about Josh Johnson, Yu Darvish back hurt again, Jarod parker another TJS, AJ Griffin on dl again, Eric OFlaherty sucks now, Chad billingsely hurt again…the list goes on and on. The chance of them being good for a long time is very slim after TJS.
Gogerty
As a Braves fan, Medlen, Beachy, and Minor are three examples that were not near the same after.
Ted
Mike Minor has not had Tommy John surgery that I am aware of. Medlen and Beachy are a little different too, because they have had two Tommy John surgeries each. Nonetheless, there are plenty of studies that have been done indicated the recovery rate is north of 80%. It’s just not that big of a deal to have TJS any more. For every guy like Medlen or O’Flaherty there are guys like Stephen Strasburg, Matt Harvey, Tim Hudson, John Smoltz, Jordan Zimmermann, and Adam Wainwright who have come back just fine.
It’s certainly a warning sign that Wheeler is recovering… and taking longer to do it… but he’s an established middle-of-the-rotation pitcher who still has the stuff to improve on that. You don’t trade that kind of talent for Danny Valencia. Cespedes or Gomez? Sure. Not Danny Valencia. He’s a good hitter with severe defensive limitations who will be 32 by the end of the season.. (and no, I am not a Mets fan at all)
RunDMC
I’m a Braves fan stuck in Queens and I would riot.
nwwh
Ha!
sacball
if you think Zack Wheeler, who so far has pitched at an average level in his career (ERA+ of 100) is an overpay for a year and a half of above average production at the hot corner, I’d hate to see what you think a fair trade would be
A'sfaninUK
I cannot fathom why Mets fans are talking about Wheeler as anything more than a guy with a mid rotation ceiling. He’s nowhere even close the level as Syndergaard and deGrom, but they’re acting like it’s an insult to get a .900 OPSing 3B in a trade? Get outta here….
sacball
remember when Mets fans thought Lastings Milledge was the next Barry Bonds? that probably relates a lot as to why they think Wheeler is the holy grail
kingjenrry
You’re going to have to do better than that. Wheeler’s already established a mid-rotation FLOOR, which is what he did in his first two years in the Majors. He’s already a #3; if you think he can’t get any better, then that’s his ceiling. You’re disagreeing with Baseball Prospectus, Keith Law, MLB.com, and Baseball America, though. I’ll take those guys over your opinions any day of the week and twice on the weekend.
kingjenrry
Seriously? He did that in his first taste of the Majors as a Top 10 in all of baseball prospect. We’re talking about Zack Wheeler, Top 10 overall pick, armed with a 97 MPH fastball, 90 MPH slider, and curveball flashing plus, I think you must be thinking of a different player.
Zack35
Danny Valencia another player the Twins gave up on too soon
rubionyc
Oh yess……..because the 3.5 War he has accumulated over his last 6 years is causing the Twins Gm to lose all his sleep!!!
Joking, but im not sure if you were. o_0
A'sfaninUK
Right now, Valencia is the 9th best 3B in baseball in terms of offensive WAR.
rubionyc
So the Twins should surely have held hope on this guy for another 6 years solely on his oWAR in his 7th season. The comments here dont fail to amaze me. The Twins are now in complete disbelief and dont know how they will move on as an organization
kahnkobra
what I find puzzling is that Toronto got rid of him for nothing, and he was hitting 290 something. I believe they just released him
coombs11m
Toronto traded for Ben Revere and needed to release someone to make room for him
thunder12k
I wouldn’t trade Wheeler for him if I were the Mets. MIN, BOS, BAL, KC
baseballfan22_
Could go for yunel escobar?
Gogerty
Escobar is having a good year and Angels are struggling for prospects.
bigcubsfan
The A’s aren’t really in contention this season, so I expect them to move Valencia before the trade deadline. Another possibility besides the Mets could be the Astros, if they decide they are buyers, and Valbuena continues to not hit.
Matt Galvin
Yes to Mets or so on.
satan
Teheran for moncada
Chris815
Please stop with this low ball offer for Tehran it not going to happen
adshadbolt
Do U even know thing about baseball a consensus top 10 prospect for a #3 starter, yup I’d make that trade in a heart beat if I were the red sox jk
thecoffinnail
Moncada is a low ball offer for Teheran? I wouldn’t trade Moncada for two Teherans. Does your mom know you pose as a knowledgeable baseball fan on her computer?
chesteraarthur
You wrote Teheran instead of Moncada
Chris815
This talk of Valencia for wheeler has not been mentioned . So relax first of wheeler has higher value even now with tj then Valencia but mets and athletics could make trade
How about this trade
To mets
3b Danny Valencia
1b billy butler
If Jed lowrie
And 10 million to help pay butler contract
Athletics get
Ss Matt Reynolds
Of Brandon Nimmo
3b David Thompson
C Ali Sanchez
lp max wotell
Rp Chris flexen
This trade help both teams
thecoffinnail
A little off topic but how about this trade?
To Yankees:
SP Tehran (sp?)
OF Inciarte
RP Vizcaino
SP Newcombe
SP Wisler
Braves get:
SS Alex Rodriguez
C Mike Napoli (3 team trade)
3b Edgar Martinez (sure he can outhit Braves)
CF Matt Kemp (Padres give him for free)
This trade works for both teams and makes as much sense as Billy Butler playing 1st base.
chesteraarthur
Haha that’s awesome.
Seriously though, if you stuck Edgar and Barry Bonds on the Braves today, I wonder where their offensive production would rank among the team leaders.
kahnkobra
no this trade only helps the A’s. Flexen should only be included for top notch talent not for Valencia,Butler, Lowrie
rycm131
First I am an A’s fan. As an A’s fan we have a history of reading for underwhelming prospects at best (see Joey Wendle, the Padres prospects, Donaldson trade etc). Start looking at a couple of Metz prospects somewhere In the 6th to 30 rankings and you’ll probably see the guys the A’s will get In a potential deal.
chesteraarthur
Franklin Barreto is ranked in the top 20 on some lists now. Granted they probably could and should have got more for Donaldson, but who ever evaluated him appeared to be on to something.
peteralt
No way Wheeler for journeyman.
metseventually 2
How is anyone on here considering Wheeler for Valencia straight up?
RobM
Wheeler for Valencia won’t happen, but the real question is what can the Mets offer for Valencia. He’s more than a journeyman at this stage of his career. He always had a decent bat, but he made some adjustments to his swing path in Toronto and is an impact hitter now. He won’t come cheap because other MLB teams will pay to get Valencia.
hojostache
Beane will extract maximum value from Valencia….which is why I don’t want the Mets anywhere near that deal. I think he has put up some nice numbers over the past year or so, but at 32, he isn’t the guy you trade a potential top of the rotation starter. Wheeler’s ceiling is a #1/#2 based on his stuff, though it is hard to tell exactly how good he might really be because he was pitching injured prior to him hitting the DL.