Here’s the latest from around the NL East…
- The Marlins are undecided about trying to re-sign Martin Prado in the offseason since Derek Dietrich could become their third baseman of the future, the Miami Herald’s Barry Jackson writes. Dietrich entered today’s action with a .303/.392/.479 slash line over 166 PA while playing mostly second base in place of the suspended Dee Gordon. The 26-year-old Dietrich is under team control through the 2020 season while Prado is a free agent this winter. Prado is himself having a solid year from an average and OBP perspective and the Fish have long valued his clubhouse leadership skills, to the point of demanding a huge return in trade discussions last year. It’s also worth noting that Dietrich has played only 49 games at third in his entire pro career, so he’s not exactly a seasoned option at the hot corner.
- The Mets should be planning for life without David Wright, Newsday’s David Lennon writes, as it’s quite possible the veteran third baseman will miss the rest of the season recovering from a herniated disk in his neck. Even the best-case scenarios have Wright not returning until late August at the earliest, so Lennon figures the Mets need to obtain another third baseman if Wilmer Flores isn’t able to step up as an everyday option. Lennon notes that up to 75% of the roughly $81MM owed on Wright’s contract through the 2020 season could be recouped by insurance if Wright is too injured to play, which creates some financial leeway for the Mets.
- The Mets are again struggling to score runs and may not have the prospect depth to correct the problem as they did at last year’s deadline, Joel Sherman of the New York Post writes. The Mets held onto their position player depth over the offseason to guard against another offensive slide, yet they’re still one of the league’s lowest-scoring teams.
- The Phillies have a league-high spending pool (just under $5.62MM) for the upcoming July international signing period, and Baseball America’s Ben Badler reports that the club is planning to spread out its money on several players. Badler profiles five young Venezuelan players the Phillies have been linked to in the July 2 class, including 16-year-old Francisco Morales, a 6’5″ right-hander whose fastball has already hit 96mph. One scout tells Badler that Morales is “probably the No. 1 pitcher in the class.”
- The Braves’ 23 homers is easily the lowest of any team in baseball, and Mark Bradley of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (subscription required) notes that the team also doesn’t have any burgeoning slugging prospects in the farm system. This lack of power is why Bradley feels the Braves will keep Hector Olivera once his domestic violence suspension is up, as Olivera at least displayed some home run-hitting ability in Cuba (though not yet in his brief MLB career).
The Braves and Sox line up perfectly for a trade. The Braves have no offense, and the Red Sox have no pitching.
Teheran and Vizcaino for Swihart, Marco Hernandez, Heath Hombree and Bryce Brentz
Ew
Robbery by the BoSox. Teheran requires one of the BoSox best prospects plus some other real prospects. Certainly not Swihart as the premier BoSox guy.
That might just be the worst trade proposal I’ve ever seen. That’s not even enough for The Viz.
In hindsight, it’s a bad proposal, I agree.
But you wouldn’t take that for Viz? Wow.
That would be a terrible trade proposal that the Braves would laugh at. The Braves do need offense, but I’m sure that offer is not what they’d have in mind. Two lackluster older prospects, a reliever and a tweener C/OF who can’t hit in exchange for two YOUNG cost controlled pitchers (SP/RP) will not do in my opinion.
While we are making that trade with you why don’t we throw in Freddie
Maybe I’m a little bit down on Teheran, considering hes had a 4.21 FIP over the last 2 years.
Jon Lester has a 3.80 FIP so far this year. Teheran has a 4.07 FIP. That’s not a HUGE difference yet if Lester had Julio’s contract you wouldn’t demand less than Moncada or Benintendi. He had a down year last year and he’s on a bad team this year. That wears on your mind.
Lester has a 3.22 fip and last year it was 2.92. What are you talking about?
Unless I looked at it wrong Baseball Reference had it listed as 3.8. Could be wrong though.
I just saw my mistake. I was looking at it on my phone and looked at 2011 instead of 2016. Oops
Okay as a Braves fan I admit that we tend to overvalue Teheran but with your proposed trade you not just undervalue him you give him away and on top of that you have is taking positions that we don’t NEED. Swihart can’t catch and hasn’t been doing well in LF. He doesn’t have a great bat so he’s not the power hitting bat that we need. Hernandez is only the Red Sox’s #19 prospect. He doesn’t hit for power and whereas his OBP isn’t BAD it isn’t nearly good enough to make up for his lack of power. We already have Swanson and Albies ready for SS. Yes we could move one to 3B but that’s not the ideal situation. Brentz is a 27 year old 4th OFer. Hombree is a RHP and whereas we always accept pitching he isn’t anything to center a trade around. Meanwhile you want us to give you a 2/3 slot pitcher who, in the final year of his contract in 2020, will only make $12M. And a lights out closer who is only 25 years old.
Yes Sox and Braves line up perfectly but no deal will happen unless it starts with Moncada or Benintendi. That’s just how it is. And any Sox fans who try to argue otherwise is lying to themselves.
So wait, you said Swanson and albies for short and that moving one isn’t ideal. Uhm you are going to have to if they don’t bust, their isn’t 2 ss positions on the diamond. Btw you can never have enough ss prospects,
I guess I didn’t think I had to specify, but I was referring moving one to 3B which Is our area of need. It is already a given that one will move to 2B
We’re moving one of DS/OA to 2B and that IS ideal.
Yeah well fleecing Arizona is one thing, and gee who was over valued in that one?
horrible trade. maybe paco and Perez for Hanley and Shaw
paco Freddie for Hanley Ramirez and Shaw
If we trade those two then we won’t have any pitching.
Brixton….
I don’t want to come in here calling you stupid, but as olereb says, that proposal is pretty dumb, with all do respect.
As a Braves fan I realize that we won’t be getting Benintendi or Moncada. But at the same time we need more than what you say.
The Braves have made it clear that they aren’t gonna just give him away. They want a quality MLB bat (preferably with some power) and some good (at least decent) prospects . I don’t think they’d settle on Swihart, especially with the prospects you mentioned. (With that being said, I don’t think ATL would be opposed to Swihart but your offer is not complementing him well enough) bbritton209 has a perfect description of the prospects and why they are not Teheran-worthy.
ATL has also stated they won’t just give up Vizcaino so he wouldn’t fit here either. (But I do expect someone to pay for Vizcaino if they fail in a pursuit of Miller/Chapman)
If Boston wanted a Teheran for Swihart/spects deal, I would expect it to go:
Swihart, Anderson Espinoza, Deven Marrero, Michael Chavis (and maybe Austin Rei and Trey Ball)
This is why I expect a deal to fall through as ATL would demand top much after getting denied Benintendi/Moncada.
In short, I don’t see BoSox as a fit for Teheran.
Espinoza is on the urias track. He has more value than Teheran. You don’t get that kind of upside trading a number 3 starter unless they have struggled ala Swihart. Swihart was a top 20 prospect for a reason, him being rushed to the bigs doesn’t have an impact on his potential, the sox just had someone who is better right now while they are in a playoff hunt. He still has all star potential and is a worthy headliner, You can argue the secondary pieces but I can garuntee you 29 teams would take a package headlined by Swihart for Teheran.
Bull
You are full of crap as Sox fans often are. I’m not a fan of the Braves but I can absolutely appreciate Teheran’s pitching ability from afar. He is a relatively-young quality power arm, ranging anywhere from a 1 to a 3 depending on the strength of a team’s rotation. His WHIP and ERA are better than league average despite pitching in front of bad defensive players.
As for Swihart… extremely overrated misplaced catcher/outfielder who’ll end up DHing most of his career. Plus as others have already mentioned, none of those “prospects” thrown about from Boston are worth the moving van costs.
Let’s see, why is Swihart overrated? Can you give a legitimate reason why? He is one month older than the number 1 catching prospect in baseball that just got his first exposure above double a this year. People who write off top prospects after a bad first taste of the bigs end up looking dumb a lot. Anthony Rizzo was one of the worst players in baseball his first 49 games of his career, and he wasnt playing the most demanding position in baseball. To use a positional comp, tasker Molina had below a .650 ops total for his first 4 years and that was an easier time for runs
Very overrated because a catcher-starved team deemed his defense unsuitable behind the plate and moved him out to LF where his bat doesn’t provide nearly as much value.
It’s getting pretty obvious you aren’t good at evaluating talent.
Fair enough. I made a bad proposal. It happens.
Eh, it wasn’t a bad proposal. Just need to look at what the Braves needs are try to match it up.
I agree with you that the BoSox are probably the best fit for the Braves in terms of a trade here. The Rangers and Astros too might be fits given their need for pitching and strong farm systems.
TEX is a great fit, maybe even better depending on how you value Gallo or Brinson. Imagine if they traded for Brinson (not likely and drafted Kyle Lewis. could be two big bats playing OF.
Sorry to ask are you on drugs
Brixton, we don’t have to trade either, I can assure you whether you like him or not, your trade proposal is dumb
ur probably right.
Lol, I’m just curious who braves fans think these frontline starters they have are. Teheran is a 3 on a bad team, a good team prefers him at 4. So which braves are going to slot in before him… Of course they can keep him, no team has to trade a guy. But the one thing the braves have in their system is back-end arm types.
You are undervaluing Teheran. I’m a Braves fan and I admit a lot of fans overvalue him and say he is an Ace. He isn’t. He is NO LESS than a 3 slot pitcher. Saying anything less says that you don’t know him or the Braves.
He’s a 3 if he keeps pitching like this. If he regresses at all closer to what he was last year, he’s not.
Really? he would be the 6th starter on the cubs, the 5th starter on the mets, the 4th starter on the blue jays, the 4th starter on giants, the 4th starter on the red sox, 4th starter on the white sox, 4th starter on the indians, Maybe 5th starter on the nationals.
If anything, that speaks to the depth of those teams.
That’s kind of the point, those are playoff contenders.
I would probably say that we could argue about most of those, at least I would move Teheran up a spot on a few. Plus you missed a few like Houston, Texas and Pittsburgh. I agree though that he’s no better than a #3 on any of them at his best right now. Not saying he couldn’t develop (or regress) more since he’s only 25 and whoever acquired him would most likely have him through his best years.
The GMs obviously will ask themselves if they will pay Coppolella’s price for a #3 starter at the deadline. I think the answer is no personally and Atlanta will keep him.
I don’t think Teheran is a TOR pitcher, but adding him makes each of those teams better.
I don’t think that’s really true with the cubs and the mets. I was just making the point that you can’t ask for the moon for a guy who wouldn’t crack some teams post season rotation. He will help a lot of teams and he has a good contract. But he isn’t a lights out pitcher. He has value but you can’t expect multiple top prospects.
paco Freddie for Hanley
Braves fans. Ignore logic and imagine you are trying to make the playoffs and trading for a pitcher. What would you give up for kyle Hendricks? Would you trade albies? Swanson? Allard, Newcomb and Ruiz? Hendricks has a better era-. Fip-. Xfip-, sierra, k-bb% than Teheran and the same amount of team control at what will most likely be a few million less than Teheran. Now if you’re answer was no to those, you now see the lunacy in some of your return demands.
Here’s the thing, a lot of us Braves fans (I mean the ones expecting at least 1 top prospect) are not ignoring logic. We’re looking at this more from a business perspective than a statistics one. Baseball is a business first and foremost anyway.
In a normal market I would agree with you, but this years trade market and FA class is anything but normal. Now if you want to assume all things being equal here and that the Braves have the money to throw around like Boston, LA, NY, etc… (mostly meaning we can fill roster needs through FA signings instead of relying mainly on prospects), then yes I think the Braves would give up a package headlined by one of our top prospects. If the supply is low and demand is high and our GM feels like our top prospect can be replaced or is blocked at the MLB level then I can see it happening. It’s not lunacy, even though there will be fans very upset about it I’m sure.
Shaw/Swihart/Castillo for Julio. Braves want MLB talent in return. Shaw just looks like a Brave and has some power. Swihart has looked just fine in left, his bat has started t come on recently and I wouldn’t give up on him as a catcher. Castillo could do well with a change of scenery, and if you get Boston to eat some of his money he could be a steal if he wakes up.