Even though the Yankees made a forward-looking move by trading Aroldis Chapman for Adam Warren and three young prospects (highlighted by high-ceiling shortstop Gleyber Torres), they’ve at least placed a call to the White Sox to inquire on Chris Sale, writes Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports in his latest Inside Baseball column. GM Brian Cashman wouldn’t comment on Sale when asked, telling Heyman only that the Yankees call on virtually every player that’s available as a matter of due diligence. Heyman writes that there’s speculation among other clubs that the Yanks could make a legitimate run at Sale, possibly including Torres in the package, but there’s no indication yet to support that talk.
A few more highlights from the lengthy column…
- The Astros called the Padres to inquire on Andrew Cashner but told San Diego about 48 hours later that they were no longer interested. Whether it’s because of the asking price or another reason isn’t entirely clear. Heyman adds that, unsurprisingly, Colby Rasmus won’t be getting another qualifying offer from the Astros this year after he accepted the QO last November and has underperformed in 2016.
- The Royals will wait until the very last minute to decide if they’re going to sell off veteran pieces. Edinson Volquez, Kendrys Morales and Luke Hochevar — each of whom has a mutual option on his contract but is likely to hit the open market following the season — are among the team’s candidates to be traded if the Royals do sell. Interestingly, he also notes that there’s a belief that Kansas City will let Alcides Escobar go and replace him with Raul Mondesi Jr. I’d personally wonder if, even though he hasn’t performed well at the plate whatsoever, the Royals could generate some trade interest (either now or after the season) due to the $6.5MM club option ($500K buyout) on Escobar’s contract.
- Angels GM Billy Eppler will at least listen to offers on both Hector Santiago and Matt Shoemaker, though each is controllable beyond this season (Shoemaker for another four years, Santiago through 2017), so there’s no definitive urge to move either. Yunel Escobar and Joe Smith are both trade candidates for the Halos as well, as has been noted frequently over the past couple of weeks.
- The Brewers weren’t impressed at all by the Mets’ offer for Jonathan Lucroy, which centered around Travis d’Arnaud. Heyman cites Brewers sources as saying they’ve been offered better catchers than d’Arnaud and still passed on moving Lucroy just yet. Right-hander Junior Guerra, who is having a surprisingly strong season as a 31-year-old rookie, has generated some trade interest, but Heyman says there’s been little chatter on Chris Carter. It also seems that Ryan Braun isn’t being talked about much at this stage.
- The Giants are interested in Minnesota’s Eduardo Nunez, who has also recently been connected to the Indians. The Twins figure to be wide open to trade scenarios in the coming days, and Nunez would give the Giants some cover at third base, shortstop, second base and in left field. Similarly, the Giants have a bit of interest in Alex Guerrero, who was released by the Dodgers earlier this year. However, Heyman points out that catcher Miguel Olivo, who is being sued by Guerrero after biting off a piece of Guerrero’s ear in a dugout altercation with the Dodgers’ Triple-A affiliate in 2015, is playing for San Francisco’s Triple-A affiliate.
- The Cubs and Rangers have both called the Mariners about Taijuan Walker and James Paxton, but Seattle hasn’t shown any inclination toward moving either pitcher. Wade Miley is more likely to be moved, and Heyman adds that the Mariners are still open to adding some pieces for 2016 and have checked into Angels righty Joe Smith, whom GM Jerry Dipoto signed while serving as GM in Anaheim.
- The Nationals turned down proposals centered around both Lucas Giolito and Joe Ross when negotiating with the Yankees about Aroldis Chapman. From there, the Yankees shifted to younger players and asked for a four-prospect package centered around pitching — though it’s not clear just who New York was targeting. Washington never got close on a Chapman trade despite quite a bit of talk with the Yankees, per Heyman.
I would have taken the Nationals offer with Giolito and Ross over Torres any day of the week.
Don’t think the Nationals offered Giolito and Ross. I think the Yankee’s asked for them and the Nationals said no.
I guess I better read better next time.
I’d upvote ya for owning it if I could.
This is refreshing.
Yankees asked for Fedde, and the Nats balked… Giolito’s name has only come up in regard to Wade Davis – and even then, it’s only as an industry example of what type of return the Royals would expect. The Nats are not trading Giolito for anyone other than a pitcher like Sale – a dominant starter signed to a long-term team-friendly deal. They’re paying their staff too much as it is. They need potentially cheap star talent like Gioitio to balance the payroll.
I think Jon heyman would know more than you no offense
Agreed. So the part of Fedde for Chapman was one of the national reports that came out Sunday.. Can’t remember if it was Heyman, Rosenthal, or one of the other guys.
The part about Giolito was in Passan’s column.
Yankees do not have the prospects to get Sale.
Conceivably they could create assets with trades.
Should have said “Yankees do not have prospects I want to get Sale”. B/C they have ammo to get Sale but I agree, not the ammo I’d personally want.
Agree with this completely. You might not want their top guys… but that’s a different question that is mostly for entertainment purposes. Our opinions on Judge, Mateo, Sanchez and Torres say nothing of Hahn’s interest in them…
They actually do. Torres, Mateo, Judge, and Sanchez are all consensus top-50 prospects in the mid-season rankings. The Yankees would have to include all four PLUS at least one other player (Rutherford… maybe even Betcantes) to get the Sox to agree. The Yankees might not be comfortable at that asking price – its huge, and it should be – but they could conceivably get it done if they were motivated.
You serious? Yankees and Red Sox fans are so delusional.
Sale is a top 3 Ace with an impeccable track record and three years of control left on his contract. Pitchers like Sale almost never get traded, and there’s a reason for that.
Agreed. It seems those on the east coast all seem to think that Sale is readily available if the Sox would only take the middling prospects from their teams. Look, If Sale goes it will likely be in two years if the Sox are in the same situation they are in now (and knowning the Sox they will be in this situation if Clown Kenny is still running the show.)
chisoxcity you sound a little delusional. Yankees have severino, judge,Mateo, Sanchez, Torres, and others. that’s not far off from being the reported “top 5 prospects” the sox want…
Heck Chisox are just testing the waters anyway…I also think the Angels are not in any shape to move pitchers your hearing about now… Just creating a buzz
Just curious you are really turning down Mateo, Torres, judge, Sanchez AND betances? And your gonna call them delusional? What would you expect for him mookie betts, bogaerts and monada? Or is that not enough either?
If, and I mean a huge if the White Sox were to trade Sale I don’t see the need for a 28 year old Betances to be in the deal
The Yankees do not have the elite pitching prospects necessary in order to make it happen. They have some nice prospects, but it would take 2-3 positon players and 2-3 top pitching prospects for a deal to happen
I don’t see the White Sox and Yankees being good trade partners in this case
No, if a deal were to happen with Boston it would not require anyone of of their mlb roster. That being said it would take:
Moncada, Benintendi, Devers, Kopech and Groome/Rodriguez level of package
A huge haul for the White Sox, yes? But Boston would be getting a frontline ace on a cheap deal through 2019. Likely Robertson could be included to help the Red Sox load up for a playoff run.
Then keep him as a Sox fan I hope they don’t trade Moncada and Benintendi and Devers for him but if they offered that my guess is he would be Red Sox. I know that the White Sox are real high on Benintendi and Moncada as they should be but hope DD doesn’t get desperate and do that.
Red Sox need pitching. I don’t know why you wouldn’t give up prospects for Sale.
I am so glad we don’t have to hear Felix going to NY anymore for a couple of mid level prospects because they are NY and they deserve him, now you White Sox fans can put up with it for awhile. It gets so old. I am sure when Paxton and Walker hit their stride we will hear about how they will be Yankees and Seattle will trade them in the cheap because everybody owes it to the Yankees because they have won so many pennants blah blah blah.
Felix to NY hasn’t been said in Years. What are you talking about ?
Agree with the four best prospects plus more for Sale, but no way is Betances included. Betances’ value is too high to be included with the four prospects you mentioned for Sale. If Chapman was good enough to get Torres and McKinney, Betances could get substantially more. He’s a dominant reliever who can go multiple innings and he’s still making peanuts. Betances has A LOT of value.
The Yankees expect a king’s ransom for Miller, a closer. Yet they think they can throw a few midlevel prospects and kids buried in some minor league system. Get real.
Relax. It’s not going to happen. The Yankees are trading to get younger and more athletic, cashing in assets. They aren’t going to reverse the flow unless the deal were just too terrific. Sale is not going to the Yankees.
Mateo is ranked 19th. Torres is ranked 26th. Judge is ranked 32nd. Sanchez is ranked 39th.
You’re throwing around the term ‘mid-level prospect,’ but I’m not sure you know what that term actually means. Guys ranked inside the top 50 are not mid-level guys. Hell, guys ranked inside the top-100 aren’t considered mid-level. The top 41 guys taken in the MLB draft this year are considered 1st round picks. These are four of the top-39 prospects in all baseball. By your rationale, first round picks are merely mid-level talents. For a little more perspective, the Sox best position player this year (Adam Eaton) was a 19th round pick who never climbed higher than 73rd in the prospect rankings. Pretty good player he turned into for being just a ‘mid-level prospect.’
Now again, this debate isn’t about what you personally think of those four players. It’s about what the collective industry thinks of them. These rankings are derived from reports provided by actual scouts and league executives. Your opinion is gauged from looking at a box score with no ability to dig past that since advanced metrics aren’t available at the minor league level. Their opinion says they’re four of the top-39 prospects in baseball. My guess is that Rick Hahn’s opinion is a lot closer to that of the industry than of yours…
This list also says nothing of my belief that the Sox will trade Chris Sale. You dont see aces get traded in their prime when playing on a team-friendly deal. Things like that don’t happen. You know what else usually doesn’t happen, though? Those players usually don’t get shopped at the deadline. Yet here we are… and Sale is being shopped.
I wouldn’t say Sale is being actively shopped, but the team is doing due diligence by listening to what teams might offer.
To put it in perspective how much it would take in light of the Chapman and Shelby Miller deals:
Red Sox would have to give up: Moncada, Benintendi, Devers, Kopech and Groome/Rodriguez to get close to landing Sale. I see them balking at that price, but if I were Red Sox brass I certainly would consider selling the farm at the chance to get Sale
The NYY got a kings ransom for Chapman with less value than Miller.
That aside your clearly unaware of prospect rankings and are coming off more delusional than the NYY and BOS fans nonsense you mentioned.
With the state of your team and system I would hope for a Sale trade to replenish. Seem most likely he sticks in chi-town.
Hope DD doesn’t get that desperate that would be a stupid overpay but I’m sure that is what they will ask for.
Actually it wouldn’t be that big of an overpay. That’s what aces on team friendly deals cost.
Which is why it won’t happen it is an overpay if you buy in an extreme sellers market you are going to get hosed. The Sox should not trade 6 years of control of all those prospects. I know hat people say trey are just prospects but the Sox have some really high end prospects and there recent history has been pretty good with there prospects. Just too much to pay for a pitcher even one as good as Sale. The financial flexibility that the Sox will have by having all that him grown talent starting will reap benefits for many years to come and allow them to go into the free agent market for starters better than most teams. By trading all of those prospects for one guy would limit that in the future. Sure it would help this year and maybe next but Benintendi will probably be up this year and Moncada next year. I would pass until the price becomes more realistic then your best 5 prospects. The White Sox are just asking for the moon and if someone flinches then so be it but Sale is probably not going anywhere at the ridiculous price they are asking for him.
Actually, I think they do. They have the kid they just got from the Cubs (young SS), Mateo, Judge, and Sanchez. I think that would be a very nice start for Sale. I don’t think Cash will part with all of them, but you never know.
As it currently sits the Yankees do not have the prospects to come close to a Sale trade
The White Sox will want a combination of both elite position player and pitching prospects in return and the Yankees do not currently have pitching prospects to make this deal work
A top pitcher who is young and a bargain contract like Sale the starting point is higher than any player traded in recent years. Hamels was under control for years but he was also in his 30s. Phillies got three top 100 in Nick Williams, Jorge Alfaro, and Jason Thompson plus Jared Eickhoff and Alec Asher. The Phillies were limited in that Hamels had almost a full notrade. Rumors are the Astros prob offered even more.
Roy Halladay was traded to the Phillies(agreeeing to an extension) for two top 25 prospects(Kyle Drabek and Michael Taylor) and another top 75 in Travis D’Arnaud. Halladay had a notrade and so the Blue Jays were limited.
Sale is 27, younger than both. Team control thru 2019. A true #1.
I think it takes at least one rookie/2nd year player who has shown at the mlb level, plus multiple top prospects.
As a Phillies fan I wouldnt do this, but i think it would take Vince Velasquez or Aaron Nola plus JP Crawford(top 10 prospect) plus another two top 100 prospects out of Nick Williams, Jorge Alfaro, Jason Thompson, Franklyn Kilome, etc… And another lotto ticket kid or two It will take an enormous haul for CWS to move him. The White Sox can get as much or possibly more in the offseason so it would take a Godfather offer, not a poopoo platter
MLB’s mid season prospect rankings came out. The Yankees are tied for the 2nd most Top 100 prospects (5) and in their point system to rank farms , they are 4th behind Pittsburgh, Boston and Washington. I wouldn’t say they don’t have the prospects to come close. 5 Top 100 is a good amount.
Yanks could get Sale with an offer of Torrres, Severino, Kapreliaan, and either Sanchez or McKinney.
Yeah that’s awful for the White Sox
Who says the White Sox are only interested in a prospect package for Chris Sale?
They would probably be looking primarily for MLB ready or near ready players, some of whom may already be on the Yankees 25-man active roster. The White Sox, under 80-year old owner Jerry Reinsdorf and a front office he is loyal to beyond a fault, will most likely never do anything akin to a full-fledged rebuild…nor should they with young and controllable talent on board in which to build around like Jose Abreu, Adam Eaton, Jose Quintana, Carlos Rodon, Tim Anderson and Carson Fulmer.
Sale himself falls into that category, which is one good reason why he won’t be dealt. The White Sox may simply settle for trading off their shorter term veteran assets like Todd Frazier, Melky Cabrera, David Robertson and Zach Duke as the August 1st deadline approaches.
Sale to STL
Not terrible, but still a ways off… Personally, I don’t think the Cardinals have that second elite prospect / young talent that the Sox would require in any Sale deal.
The Sox want 5 top prospects for Sale. Your offer includes one elite prospect, two good prospects. And a big-league second baseman who was demoted to the minors as recently as May..
Keep in mind, they’re seeking guys like Urias, Bellinger (24), De Leon (25) PLUS more from the Dodgers. They’re seeking Moncada (1), Benintendi (9), Devers (41) from the Red Sox.
Even as a Cubs fan, knowing full well the Sox would NEVER trade Sale to them, I’d expect a reasonable offer would be Scwharber, Happ, Almora, Candalario, Jimenez… It’s a ton. But Sale is that friggin good. If the Sox are going to trade him, they need to be assured that the players they receive in return will be popping champagne in their clubhouse down the line.
I agree it would take a ton to get him and as a Cubs fan I would say a big fat no on that deal. Sale might be elite and on a friendly contract but I’ll take the Cubs players and prospects over Sale.
I wouldn’t do it either. I’m just not going to go into fantasy world about what it would take to acquire an elite left-handed starting pitcher on a long-term, team-friendly deal in the prime of his career… It would take that much because he is that good.
The Cubs do not have the elite pitching prospects required to get a Sale deal done in my opinion.
Who does have the elite pitching prospects to get the deal done? Have they said it has to include an elite pitching prospect?
Logically if the Sox were going to trade Sale they would want to improve with position player prospects as well as landing high end pitching prospects to replace him with as well
Many packages I have seen proposed might make sense for a #2 starter, but the cost of a legitimate #1 ace is much much higher especially considering the cheap contract he is on
Better than the offer I saw a Cards fan make on Facebook. Greg and Jaime Garcia, Sam Freeman, and Jeremy Hazelbaker for Sale.
I’m sure the Sox would have jumped on that. Probably would have offered Abreu just to even it out
Get for real St.L fan. couldn’t give your whole old beat up team for Sale. MO won’t do anything this year and no one wants to go to St.L in the off season. So you be stuck with signing players like has been Leak.
Sale to Red Sox for
Clay Buchholz (throw in)
Anyone else not named Betts, Bogaerts, Bradley, Moncada, Kopech, or Benintendi
Not nearly enough for Sale. Why in the world would they want Buchholz? I’m thinking that any trade with the Sox starts with one of Moncada/Benintendi.
So the BoSox would be gracious enough to part with anyone but their top guys for an Ace?. How ‘considerate’ of them. If Hahn even contemplates a deal like that he should be fired immediately.
Hahahaha. Surely you can’t be serious.
I am no expert, and I am not saying you are wrong. But, I would think that the White Sox would require at least Moncada or Benintendi included to even consider it in this market for pitching. Personally, If I would gladly give my top prospect for a pitcher with Sale’s track record. That may just be me though.
Yeah I think it starts with atleast one of Moncada or Bentidini
The conversation starts with 2 of your not named. Its not who you want to give up its what is a #1 starter under cost control for a few more years. And why would the White Sox want Buchholz and his $13 mil contract this year?
Season half gone … 6.5
So you want to get Chris Sale and not give up one of your two top prospects? And a rental reliever just got the Cubs top prospect FYI. Some of the trades on here are pretty funny
Most experts think that the price for Sale would be 2 top prospects and 2 medium prospects along with some pitching. Yanks could meet that with Torres, Severino, Kaprelian and Sanchez.
not even close. the price is 5 top prospects all day and I’m not huge on most Yankee prospects
So we go based on Steven’s rankings then?
If Dombrowski was holding Rick Hahn’s wife hostage, he’d let her die before taking a deal that didn’t include Moncada or Benitendi…. He’s more than likely demanding both, which is why it’s you don’t hear whispers about Boston going after Sale. They don’t want to pay that price. And the White Sox have no reason to cave on their demands.
I completely agree^
All these fan proposals are way off what it would take to get a Sale trade done
There is no room for “well these guys are untouchable” or “pick this prospect or that prospect”.
By saying the Sox want 5 top prospects for Sale they literally mean “We will handpick ANY 5 prospects we want from your system in return”
The White Sox do not have to trade Sale, and if they do it will be for an overwhelming package
Well let’s just say if and that’s a big if it happens how this will turn out.. Obviously someone will be right and someone wrong
Horrible trade offer for Sale
Rodriguez has a 6.51 ERA right now and he is the centerpiece of a Sale deal?!
Marrero is batting sub .200 in the minors right now
So basically A top 5 pitcher who’s cheap and controlled for some throw ins and a few broken pitchers?
You’d need 2 if not 3 of those guys you said “anyone but”
Garbage dump for Sale? Red Sox fans are crazy. They would have to put in somebody worth something. And why would they want Bucholz? Do the Red Sox pay his full salary still in deal or do the get a salary almost as high as sale for a horrible pitcher. Sounds like the deal favors Beantown a bit. In future deals don’t include high priced garbage for goods.
This is why Red Sox fans get made fun of so much for overvaluing their own players
Red Sox trade Mad Libs:
Hi. Yes, we’d like to trade for (insert solid controllable starting pitcher here). You can’t have (insert pet prospect here), but a package of (insert spare part here), (insert fringe prospect here), (insert utility infielder here) and (insert AAAA reliever here) should get the job done if you take Pablo Sandoval. Whadda ya say?
Probably because of how they got burned on Giles is why the Astros balked at what the Padres asked for Cashner. What a shame.
Astros have a great future unless they throw it away. They have made several bad trades and may be looked on as a soft touch by other teams. I would take a shot at Quintana and Robertson if I were them. Even only Robertson would be a good add on. I have been posting this idea for weeks but I guess Astro and White Sox management are not reading these postings.
Yeah Dito on Billy Bean and the A’s on the Donalson move
I wonder what other catchers better than d’Arnaud have been offered to the Brewers. Maybe they consider Swihart or McCann as better but I doubt it.
Is Swihart even catching anymore?
Sale to Marlins for all of the minor leaguers plus Dee Gordon
The White Sox, cannot, even as a matter of atmospherics to their fans, trade with any team and allow that team to wall off their best prospects or young talent. The team must get high value impact players. So any offer that starts with “these five guys are off limits…” isn’t going to work. Maybe there’s no trade that could be made.
Finally somebody gets it
Guerrero and Olivo in the same clubhouse, what could go wrong?
Been hearing on the Tigers radio station they are doing their due diligence on Chris Sale. What a move that would be for the pennant chase. JV, Fulmer, Zimmerman, and Sale? Absolutely dominant rotation, no matter what the 5 is. Anyone think Jacoby Jones, Matt Boyd, Steven Moyà, and Bruce Rondon would get it done?
I mean this in the nicest way to Tigers fans, but they have no where near the MiLB talent (or young MLB talent, for that matter) to pull Chris Sale
Tigers do not have the talent, also zer ochance the Sox would ever trade him within the division
Explain your Rf-Dh Avisail Garcia then. Oh, wait, that might be the reason they won’t trade within the division!
Technically the sox didn’t trade with Detroit they traded Peavy to Boston. Nothing the white sox sent could. Come back to bite them in the butt later on.
Even if you included Fulmer, which you would have to do, this deal wouldn’t be nearly enough. This deal wouldn’t even be enough to get you Jose Quintana
Cubs get: Sale
Sox get: Schwarber, Soler, Happ, Candelario, Underwood
Think this is enough, too much, not close??
Switch soler with anybody else and you maybe that’s a starting point. Soler is trash now
I actually debated switching Soler with either Almora or Zagunis
White Sox would want 5 top prospects and the Cubs lack the top end pitching prospects necessary to get a deal done
I wouldn’t trade Sale unless I was getting 2-3 elite position prospects and 2 elite pitching prospects
What team and players do you think can get him?? Personally I don’t think he gets moved at all
I think the Red Sox and the Rangers probably have the best chance since they have both position prospects and pitching prospects. Bowden suggested a trade with the two teams would consist of this:
Red Sox – Moncada, Kopech, Swihart, Rodriguez
Rangers – Mazara, Profar/Gallo, Tate, Ortiz
Definitely see both of them as having the pieces to make a deal happen. I know there are only a handful of teams in the entire league that have enough to pull off a trade for a legitimate ace. I still don’t see the sox moving him but it is fun to speculate on what it would take to pull it off
Cubs- Baez, Almora, Happ, and Candelario. Yanks- Severino, Torres, Kaprelian, and Clarkin.
The White Sox would turn down both of those offers
I think it goes more like Schwarber, Baez, Happ/Almora, Edwards.
So that’s a ML bat, a top-10 prospect with ML experience, a fringe top-50 prospect and an upside arm.
Look at the Curt Schilling trade of 2000. There is no good analog for this situation, but that one is probably closest. It was a top-10 prospect with ML experience (Lee), a 27 year-old coming off a 16 win season, a regarded prospect (Padilla), and a ML-ready arm (Figueroa).
I’m sure it looks like a lot to Cubs fans, but if Chris Sale were traded, he would probably be the most valuable piece ever traded in the big-contract era.
I agree. The price would be something we probably haven’t seen before. For a very good pitcher the prices are crazy. For a true ace, there is no bar to measure from. A team would literally have to sell the farm to get him. Still dont think anything happens with Sale but who knows. With costs the way they are teams that don’t try building through drafts/international signings are crazy
Sale is the type of player that you do not trade unless offered the most ridiculous package in history. Using the Chapman and Shelby Miller deals as references it is difficult to gauge how much a team would have to realistically surrender to get Sale
You build around an elite arm like Sale, not trade him away and be forced to look for an elite arm for the next decade
I don’t think he’s going anywhere either. And I especially don’t think it’s the Cubs. The White Sox front office would take a big hit from the fans if Sale is traded, and an even larger hit if Chris heads 8 miles north. The Cubs just happen to be one of the few teams (maybe the only team) with with both young ML players and some minor leaguers with upside. The Rangers are maybe the only other one.
Personally, I thought the Cubs paid A LOT for Chapman. They really set the market for a difference-maker arm. Whether by design or not, the teams the Cubs will see in the playoffs will also have to “over-pay” to improve their rotations and/or bullpens.
elite starting pitching is so valuable in the mlb. fans grow attached to and value prospects far too much over the value of proven mlb talent. many prospects will never pan out, and few become regular starters, let alone all stars.
He probably won’t go anywhere but are you saying the BoSox don’t have the ammo to pull the trade off? I would rather they didn’t but they easily could. I know how good Sale is and don’t have a problem with the ChiSoxs price but its too much to swallow for a true Sox fan.
Not sure why you see it as an overpay. Torres was never going to play for the Cubs. He was expendable. Or he turns into another Vogelbach in the minors.
You are forgetting the Dodgers, perhaps the ideal match for the White Sox .with their abundance of MLB ready young pitching and position prospects. Trading him out of the A.L. would also be a bonus for the White Sox.
I’m sure Sale would be thrilled as well having a home in close proximity to both teams joint spring training complex in Glendale, Arizona.
Just because a player has no current position on a MLB roster doesn’t mean he is less valuable it just means he is more expendable. It’s like saying I own 2 really nice cars 1 is fairly new and in perfect condition and runs great and the other is even newer but I haven’t driven it yet. The newer car isn’t less valuable because you have another one.
If it happens I think this is where he goes. The Dodgers also have the money to pay him if they want him to extend him.
No not enough
Sale to cards for Jaime Garcia, Wacha, edmundo Sosa, bader, weaver, flaherty?
Way off. Why would the Sox trade Sale for Garcia who is 30 years old?
Any Sale deal would start with Reyes, but I don’t feel St Louis has the other elite prospects to get it done
I’d say for the Red Sox to get Chris Sals they would have to give up:
Buchholz (Throwing him in because maybe he can bounce back with a new team)
With the offers the Brewers are getting and desire to build around pitching for any trade the mets have no chance unless they send a starter. The mets are one of the thinnest pitching teams in baseball besides their amazing big league starters(probably why developing pitchers isn’t as important as offense. I’m guessing lucroy hoes to Texas or Cleveland
The Twins have one all-star and they are gonna trade him? How dumb. Thought we got rid of Terry Ryan. Does the Twins office have any brains?
Is Nunez going to be part of the long-term future for the Twins? Is he going to be a starting, building block caliber player for the Twins in 2018 or 19? If the answer isn’t an immediate yes, trade him.
It would be very Terry-esque to keep him around.
They answered your question tonight. No.
I can’t stand teams who make such a big deal about deciding to sell their middling players. Oh boy, people will be beating down the doors for Kendrys Morales. Everyone needs a light hitting DH, and we all need overpaid relievers. I hope we get some real action around the deadline but I doubt it.
No way the Royals trade Escobar as his replacement(Mondesi) swings the bat like a high school softball player. I would sell Mondesi if I were the Royals as I do not see this guy making it in the majors with that swing. Tony Pena Jr. without the hype.
Sale for Teheran, ace for ace.
I wouldn’t trade schwarber for sale
That is moronic and a crazy overvaluation of Schwarber.
Now This I agree with you on. Completely
Honestly, with the reported asking price and the red flags surrounding Sale, I would stay very far away if I was any team thinking about it. Sale’s FIP and xFIP are the worst of his career by a significant margin. He is striking out the fewest batters of his career, even through strike outs are up across the league and his swinging strike rate is down 4% from last season. He also has given up the most hard contact of his career and has the highest contact %.
Everyone talks about how aces never hit the market with such a team friendly contract. Maybe that wonky delivery is starting to catch up to him and the Sox have chosen to try and move him now while his ERA is still hiding a significant step down in his ability or potential injury.
Well this just shows you know nothing about Sale and the White Sox.
He hasn’t been throwing as hard as the last few seasons to try and go deeper in the game. Pitching to contact.
Next time do a little research about something before you make blanket statements based on stats. He’s still one of the, if not the best SP in the AL and top 3 in the league with those.
So your saying that Sale is intentionally allowing opposing batters to hit him harder? He also is intentionally having hitters put the ball in play at a much higher rate, where he then has less control over what happens? And the reason he is doing all of this is to get one extra out every other start? If what you’re saying is true, who came up with this poor idea?
Hope the Angels could trade Santiago for a catcher…
Angels need to trade both Smith and Street. We have no need for them and the cardinals have some outfield prospects.
As a Yankee fan I don’t want to see them give up all of their best prospects for Sale. They have too many holes to fill in the next few years and if they trade their best prospects for one starting pitcher – no matter how good that pitcher has been – then they’re back to signing 30+ year old free agents to bad contracts to fill those holes.
If the Yankees already had an MLB roster that was close to giving them a chance to win it all then you could sell off a bunch of top prospects for an ace. But trading all of their top prospects for Sale still leaves them as a slightly better than .500 team for the near future – and without meaningful prospects in the pipeline.
King Felix for Jorge Soler and Ian Happ.
He is Joking. I hope. Theo like Swarb but not that much lol, it not like it is his wife. He may trade his Wife. Giving up 5 or 6 players for Sale esp Top 50 is stupid though. I know WS fans will defend them but he is not worth 5 – 6 players esp 5 Top 50 Prospects. RV has run him into the ground in long innings which why he has broken down a bit. He great. Top 3 in MLB – Naaa Top 5 is more a realistic. Last year you rank CK, ZG DK of Huston and JA – CK has been great but even he has his days these people are human not GOD come on – He also now shows he is not exempt from injury. Dallas K who would think this year. JA and I’m a Cubs fan has come down to earth although he pitched a Gem today in a heart breaker. But this is MLB you guys seem to think these guys are exempt and can pitch 100% perfect every time. Look at Price in last years play offs. Look at ZG this year. Dallas K this year. Even Mad Max – Come on people – Sale a great pitcher is he worth 5 to 6 players NO WAY – Is Harper worth 500 Million – NO Way. He won’t even be your MVP this year. You guys are either really really stupid and naive or just blinded and brain washed – Yankee fans think the same way. Well NM. lol
I’m will to be right here and now every White Sox fan thought the game against the Cubs that Sale pitched was a game in the basket and a win. If you say no your a liar.
500 mil over the course of 30 years maybe. That’s 16.67mm aav. He’s 23 Hasn’t reached his prime yet. He’ll get 15 years 345mil. Not sure when he’s a free agent so the years might differ. 345 /15 is 23mil aav. Bryant will get the same amount or close too it. Hopefully he drops boras before he gets the money he deserves. Bryzzo for life.
Yeah I write out the paper work. If you can convince Seattle. That would be a good trade.