11:25am: Hoynes reports that the Indians weren’t planning on cutting Lucroy’s playing time in 2017. Hoynes’ source indicated to him that the club wouldn’t have been willing to part with the level of talent it had agreed to without having every intention of allowing Lucroy to start behind the plate (links to Twitter).
10:35am: Brewers GM David Stearns tells reporters that Lucroy talks with the Indians are “totally dead” (Twitter link via MLB.com’s Adam McCalvy), while Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain Dealer tweets that the Indians are no longer negotiating with Lucroy.
10:29am: Yahoo’s Jeff Passan reports (via Twitter) that Lucroy asked the Indians to void his 2017 club option in order to hit the open market at the end of the season in order to approve the deal (Twitter link). Understandably, Cleveland was in no way willing to meet that request, as the option is a significant factor in Lucroy’s value to the club. USA Today’s Bob Nightengale, meanwhile reports that the Indians weren’t promising Lucroy that he’d be their starting catcher in 2017, which gave him pause in approving the deal. Cleveland planned to rotate Lucroy between catcher, first base and DH in 2017.
10:15am: ESPN’s Buster Olney tweets that the efforts to convince Lucroy to approve the trade will continue, so the book on the proposed trade may not be fully closed just yet. Lucroy, it should be noted, is on one of the most team-friendly contracts in Major League Baseball, and teams will often utilize financial incentives to convince players to waive no-trade clauses. An extension or at least a restructuring of his 2017 salary ($5.25MM) could make sense, though that’s simply speculation on my behalf.
9:58am: Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reports that Jonathan Lucroy has exercised his no-trade clause and vetoed a trade that would have sent him to the Indians in exchange for four prospects (Twitter link).
It was reported last night that the Brewers and Indians had agreed to a trade sending Lucroy to Cleveland in exchange for four minor leaguers: catcher Francisco Mejia, shortstop Yu-Cheng Chang, outfielder Greg Allen and right-hander Shawn Armstrong. However, despite repeated statements about his desire to play for a contending club, Lucroy has chosen not to play for the Indians, who were one of the eight teams to which he could veto a trade under his contract’s limited no-trade provision.
Of course, the fact that Lucroy didn’t approve this trade doesn’t ensure that he’ll be remaining with Milwaukee. There are 21 teams to which Lucroy cannot block a deal, and two of those clubs — the Rangers and Mets — have both been linked to him frequently within the past week. For the time being, however, Lucroy will remain with the only organization he’s ever known, as GM David Stearns and his staff determine the next-best course of action.
If Cleveland still wants to acquire another catcher, there’s not shortage of available options. Division-rival Kurt Suzuki of the Twins figures to be available and is in the midst of a strong offensive season, while the Padres’ Derek Norris is also widely known to be available. Neither represents the upgrade that Lucroy would have to the Cleveland roster, but considering the dearth of production from incumbent options Yan Gomes (who is now injured), Chris Gimenez and Roberto Perez, a catching acquisition still seems like it would be prudent for the Indians, who are in clear go-for-it mode after acquiring Andrew Miller this morning.
Wow
Wow what a dummy especially since the Indians just got Miller
Why would that make him a dummy? Miller doesn’t guarantee Cleveland will win it all. Obviously he’s keeping in mind his better interests
What better interest? The same pay to play for a losing team or one with a chance at winning it all?
A deal can still happen with another team. He has limited no-trade clause if they really want to part with him.
Severe bonehead syndrome.
Going to Cubs to win it all
For starters, playing time. Still under contract for another year but so is Gomes. If Gomes takes most of the playing time next year it’ll effect his contract for the following years. He’s thinking about his future. Is that so hard to believe!?
No guarantee Gomes return to form from a couple of seasons ago. And if he does, Lucroy splits time behind plate as well as 1B and DH which extends his career. So much for a shot at a title this year, is that so hard to believe!?
Why is it dumb for Lucroy to want to make money while he’s still in his prime? He hasn’t gotten paid much to this point for the level of player that he is. Yes he wants to win, but financial security is more important. Even as a Brewers fan, I think Lucroy is smart to demand more money.
I have no idea how people are rationalizing Lucroy’s actions. This narrative (probably spun by Lucroy’s agent) is absurd. Worried about ’17 playing time? LOL! Did you see what Cleveland gave up? Lucroy would catch 115 games, which is about standard for a starting catcher, and then 1B/DH the rest. This would, if anything, improve his volume numbers and contribute to him getting a bigger contract. Now? If I’m a team serious about winning I don’t touch this guy. Is he afraid of pressure? How would he fare in a big market? Maybe he is comfortable in MIL, which I understand, but he isn’t willing to sacrifice for the ultimate goal of a WS win. I’ll pass.
No one forced him to sign him that “cheap” contract, so he should be expected to honor that contract regardless. If I were the Indians I’m glad he backed out.
Bingo!
No one forced Milwaukee to include that no-trade clause either. I just don’t understand the anger over a guy exercising a legitimate contractual right
Because he’s perpetuating the greedy jock stereotype that drove fans away from sports. Says he wants to win but is going from a loser to a legit contender and says no, $$ with a loser is more important than a shot at a title.
Hahaha Cleveland is a dump. Plain and simple.
Yeah because 5.25mil option is not enough. Yes he should get more but 5.25mil is a lot of money.
Woahhhhh!!!!!
Uh oh
Either he doesn’t buy the Indians yets, or he wants to stay in Mil. One keeps the market open, the other slams the door.
I’m not sure how it works, but maybe he’s angling for a little money from Cleveland. An extra million or 2 might make that no trade go away. Does anyone know if that’s allowed.
Not only allowed but totally routine. That’s why guys have no-trades.
Neither. Purely financial. Asked for $$ to waive the NTC, Indians said no.
Just a few points:
1. Lucroy likely gave up something ($$, etc.) to get the partial no-trade clause in his contract; it’s reasonable for him to be able to expect something back if he waives it (e.g., extension, promise to not extend qualifying offer after 2017). Cleveland probably said no.
2. I liked the deal a whole lot more with McKenzie in it, instead of Armstrong.
Jesé! What a buzzkill!
Derek Norris welcome to Cleveland I hope you like it there
He’s not a huge upgrade. Batting around .200
There are other options. Nick Hundley is about the same kind of player as Norris (worse defender, better hitter, at least this year). Suzuki is reliable and available.
Lolol
At least they have Miller right lol
You want McCann too?
Lmao
Cleveland can’t afford his salary
Red Sox can send you Hannigan. Please take him!!
Damn sucks for Indians
wtf is this guys problem
I remember in the original trade post a reply said dont bet on him not invoking his ntc and a Mil fan did a chest puff (You dont know Lucroy) reply. Lol
I saw that.
It’s Cleveland… Duh!!
But really, he has a no-trade clause and it’s his right to exercise it. Don’t be buthurt about it. Maybe he doesn’t like the city, or the stadium, or think the team is legit. Or perhaps he just really really likes it where he’s at.
Starting off with “wtf is this guys problem” tells me you have a problem.
He wants to be a Met
He has a problem?
It was probably Cleveland. Lucroy probably wanted Cleveland to pick up his 2017 option as a condition for waiving his NTC. Cleveland balked.
The opposite, actually. Lucroy wanted them to waive his club option so he could test free agency after this season. He is worth much more than the $5.25 mil he is locked up for. Indians obviously refused, as much of Lucroy’s value is tied into his cheap club control. Cleveland did not want to give up that much talent for one stretch run.
Every team in the league would be willing to pick up his 2017 option. Giving an All-Star catcher $5.25MM is highway robbery on the part of the team. I’m sure the hold up was him either asking for an extension or at the very minimum more money in 2017.
LOL
If I were a brewer fan I would be mad
Not mad at all. Wasn’t a game changing haul in return. Could still work out a trade with someone else or wait and deal him in the off-season.
I agree about the haul, pretty underwhelming considering the types of trades happening right now. I was bummed to see what the Crew got back for him, so I’m kind of happy we have a chance to top it.
If he isn’t traded now his trade value will decrease. In the off season only a little, but if they can’t move him until next year’s trade deadline it will be half what it is now. For the Crew’s sake I hope he doesn’t get hurt next year.
Agreed, if it included Frazier, then you should be bummed.
Hahaha. I don’t blame him who would want to go to Cleveland it’s a dump of a city even if it means going to the playoffs
somebody seems jealous
No actually I’m a Yankee fan who feels bad for Andrew Miller
^^ this comment here ^^
You’ve obviously never been to Milwaukee
Milwaukee is a great city, and this comment is coming from a Cubs fan.
I’ve been to both. And I have no love for MKE but it’s definitely better than Cleveland…
How long ago were you in CLE? If it hasn’t been in the last 2 years then just stop.
Cleveland is terrible wyd
Why is it terrible? Cause you’ve heard the media say stuff in the past? If you haven’t been there lately then you’re being ignorant.
It’s not terrible, I went there in June when the Cavs won and the Indians were starting that 14 game win streak
Cleveland is an absolute low class dump.
All cities suck. Give me wide open wilderness any day. Cities are ugly slabs of concrete and steal.
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Ok so there is your “cool” post of the day. You can go on a break now.
Such a misinformed ignorant statement. If you haven’t been to the city in the last 2 or 3 years then get educated. Downtown is so much nicer than it was just a few years ago. They are in 1st place and Milwaukee doesn’t offer as much as Cleveland.
Have you been to Milwaukee? I’m not from there, but I have been to both Cleveland this year and Milwaukee this year and Milwaukee is a much better town. They are both smaller market urban areas however from a straight tourist spot the only thing Cleveland has in Milwuakee is the Rock n Roll hall of fame.
Been to Milwaukee and had a great time on a riverboat brewery tour. To say the Rock Hall is the only thing Cleveland has to offer means that you didn’t experience much when you were here. E 4th street is where ESPN was setup for the finals, it is full of pubs and restaurants (2 of which Michael Symon owns). The east bank of the flats has been resurrected so that our waterfront is an attraction again. We have Sandusky only 45 minutes west of downtown where the number 1 amusement park in the world aka Cedar Point is located. South Bass island also known as Put in Bay is a short boat ride from Sandusky. The football hall of fame is only an hour south of Cleveland. You can say that it technically doesn’t count but depending on traffic it could take you longer to get from the south side of Chicago to the North side than it would Cleveland to Canton. There are tons of things to do in Cleveland, obviously in the winter time the weather can limit some of these things but that’s also when the Cavs are playing.
You’re right, free agents are beating down the doors to play in Milwaukee.
Ignorant comment. Coming from a guy who grew up in Boston and now live in Detroit.
Asked for some financial incentive to waive (and why not, dude’s the most underpaid player in baseball not on a pre-arb contract). Indians said no, went and got Miller instead.
The slight bump he may have been after would have been than taken care of by an October run for the title and perception of him being a team player. Instead he just showed its all about the $$$$ and not winning like every other pro athlete seems to be like which have driven fans away because of their greed. It’s not like he’s making league minimum.
That’s a pretty silly hot take. An athlete’s career is short. LuCroy is a catcher and has already had some injury issues. He has every right to ask for something, since he’s uprooting his family and moving from the only team he’s ever known. I mean, if your job transferred you a thousand miles away you might ask for some incentives to do it too, right?
Exactly what DC74 said. It’s a business. He’s supposed to not invoke his contractual rights to try to get more money? Why not? And I’m a Brewers fan. He’s gotta rep his family 1st.
This makes the Miller trade look worse. They now dont have a near mlb ready bat who could have helped them make a run
My feeling is the Indians were probably aware of this possibility. Lots of this stuff isn’t happening in real-time as we refresh our comments. I’m guessing the Indians went and got Miller even with knowing this might not happen.
ALL of this stuff is happening in real-time. The reporting of it is what’s not happening in real-time.
Tampa had a beautiful waterfront Hank Conger they can sell them.
Good man.
I respect that. He signed a deal with the BREWERS. He’s a veteran he gets the right to say no to a trade. Simple. Obviously he cares more about the Brewers than winning and that’s hard to find
Oh whatever, he’s publicly stated that he wants to play on a contending team. He just wants more money from Cleveland.
I SO admire your innocence.
Unfortunately, it’s just about money.
No, he just doesn’t wanna play for Cleveland. He wants out of MIL but only if it’s a team he likes
And if the BREWERS cared as much about him he wouldn’t be playing on the current contract. He’s supposed to be a professional and trades are part of the business, it’s not like he’s getting dumped to a team 25 games out of the playoffs and no other MLB talent in the lineup.
It’s obvious about money. And it should be. He’s grossly underpaid.
Yankees can send over McCann..
Really? I don’t understand why players do this. I get it, it’s a contractual clause, but stuff like this is designed to put the leverage and control into the players hands. 99% of the time, these trades can benefit both parties, such as this case. I understand there are additional factors like where you live and well, I guess that’s really it. Playing for a cool organization with a great manager on a team that has lots of good players, turning down the trade perplexes me, honestly. Indians are welcome to send more prospects for Brian McCann. But same deal with him too. Gotta approve it. Ha. I’d think playing for Francona would be cool.
agree but in still confused why gas waste their time essentially creating deals. think of all the back and forth between Cleveland and Milwaukee. you think on Thursday or Friday when this was first becoming a possibility they would have approached him then before wasting more time.
If your job told you that you have to move to Detroit tomorrow with no raise and no promotion I’m guessing you would do anything in your power to stop it.
yeah, unfortunately the person above me isn’t Terry Francona and no, there isn’t a barrel full of chew gum next to her desk. In my case, she’s not even attractive. So there’s that..
That’s not really same situstion. Lucroy, if Indians make it to playoffs, is likely to earn some cash by playing postseason games, isn’t that correct? Also he might get a ring which he has no chance of getting by staying in Milwaukee.
Exactly, and his willingness would be respected throughout the league and factor into his next deal. Instead he goes down as a guy all about the $$$ and/or driven by his agent who is all about the $$$.
I am already in Detroit, in a job that hasn’t given a raise to anyone in five years.
So what’s your point?
Lucroy is exercising his right that the team agreed to. I am surprised if MIL didn’t keep him looped in to gauge his interest before a deal, if they didn’t. Now with the deal getting out, it could look bad on him for not going or getting traded for less when he’s been nothing but classy for the organization.
wow! would love to see him go to la with grandal going to Cleveland!
lol poor indians
Now the question is: will the Brewers take the inferior Mets package or hold onto him to try again at a later date?
Have to hold him at this point, Brewers have zero leverage in a trade.
Great question? I don’t understand why the Brewers didn’t ask Lucroy ahead of time if he’d veto a trade to Cleveland. Then there’d be issues.
I’m sure they did, it’s been rumored for quite a while.
I still think the ROX are the mystery team. Would be a big add and might speak a Rockies playoff push
Wow, he has been very open and honest about his frustrations in Milwaukee and how he wants to play for a contender. Cleveland is looking very desirable and looking like favorites in the AL.
I would love to know why he decided to do that.
$$
Agent probably fed him full of BS to use leverage with the one team chasing him he could use it on. He will regret this decision.
He’s seen Major League and thought that was the closest the Indians will get to a championship.
And he plays in Milwaukee and realizes watching Major League was as close to a championship he’d see.
But Major League was filmed in Milwaukee so he would’ve gotten the best of both worlds.
Lol
He just hates LeBron
Who doesn’t?
Maybe he just doesn’t like the city. I wonder if the Brewers will be able to get a similar package from another team now?
I would be willing to bet that Cleveland would not give him an extension, hence the dealbreaker
He better hope that the Mets don’t get him, in that case
I would bet he didn’t want an extension. The sooner he reaches FA the higher his earning power. As a catcher, he will probably only get one opportunity.
He wanted a short-term extension that paid him market rates as soon as next year. That would have been a $15m-20m contract for 2017 onward and the Indians can’t afford that. They went and spent their money on Miller instead.
What a surprise! Seems he does want to get to FA, even faster than I thought.
what an A$$!!!!!
Why?
Please trade him to Texas
Surely the Brewers could have found this out before the Indians had to expose themselves and their minor leaguers
Probably not. Assuming he demanded a raise or extension from Cleveland to waive it and they said no.
Lmao damn McCann and cash for Triston McKenzie?
He said he wants to play for a contender, guess not as much as he wants to stay out of Cleveland. Don’t really blame him.
He plays for the Brewers. This is the only time you can say Clev is a step up.
Well that’s gotta anger a few people.
Too bad the Indians can’t get a do-over on the Miller trade.
wow,guess he’d rather lose in Milwaukee, than win in Cleveland
I guess he heard of old days of mistake by the lake. Or maybe he watched the old Major League movies. Lol
McCann and Gardner for Zimmer! Go get ’em, Cashman!
Don’t want Gardner and not giving up Zimmer or else he’d have gone in the Miller deal.
I can see the Rangers going back and making a blockbuster w/smith. I’m pretty sure they have more to offer MIL without giving Profar/Gallo.
Cleveland might look into Stephen Vogt,I’m sure Billy is looking to deal
This is all about money and reworking his contract. I don’t blame him….I’m betting it gets worked out. Why wouldn’t he want to go to a first place team, catch that staff and now Miller?
Because he wants to utilize what little leverage he has, the guys 30 years old and a much better catcher then Brian McCann yet he’s making 13 million a year or less, why not flex your muscles towards Cleveland?
But that’s not Cleveland’s fault, they worked out a deal for his value which included his team friendly contract for next year. If he was going to walk at the end of this year he’d have been worth much less. Not Cleveland’s fault and it shouldn’t be on them to further entice him, Milwaukee should’ve gauged his interest, kept him in the loop and possibly even kicked in some $$ if they wanted that package of prospects.
Wow. I have to think the Indians were counting on getting Lucroy when they gave up a significant return for Miller. I’m kind of surprised the team apparently didn’t speak to Lucroy and get some sort of assurance from him before pulling the trigger on the trade.
would be tampering on cleveland’s part
Well, I did think of that… but it sure seems like I remember teams talking to high-profile trade targets in the past to insure that a trade was feasible. Seems like I remember a team pre-negotiating an extension or whatever with a desired player in advance. Does that routinely happen and everyone looks the other way, or am I just being delusional in my aging years?
Trades that are agreed to in principle where the receiving team negotiates is common practice and not tampering at all. Cleveland was led to believe he was willing to go there or they never would’ve wasted their time working out a deal as well as ticking off the prospects they just dealt only to take right back. Bush league move by Lucroy and Milwaukee.
milwaukee should have never involved cleveland. lucroy was well within his rights to veto trade.
I would guess they did discuss it but Lucroy’s and/or his agent decided to get pretty greedy.
Guess he likes losing. I wouldn’t want a player like that on my team anyway.
Astros, Red Sox still interested in having Lucroy on their winning teams.
Exactly!
LMFAOOOOO
I would guess that for Lucroy to waive his no trade he demanded that the Indians decline his 2017 $5.25M team option and exercise the $250k buyout making him a FA in a few short months. NoGo.
This is also possible. Didn’t think of that. Whichever it was (extension, or making him a FA earlier) it was about money not the city of Cleveland.
Agreed
It’s a plausible outcome. Good thinking. Trade would still make sense for Cleveland, but the Brewers would have to rework their end of the deal and get much less, which to some degree, would put things on par with the Mets proposal.
That is what our sources are saying.
Agreed, but the trade value was based on him and his current contract, without him being signed signed through next year he had a fraction of the value.
Perhaps he didn’t think the trade would be Lucroytive for him.
He obvi wants to go to the METS
Well that’s a bummer. I say forget about a Catcher. Flip Santana + a prospect for Beltran. Then spend that 12 million (Santana’s option) next year on Napoli & Davis. This is a one year shot if Napoli & Davis walk after this year. Santana who’s still terrible vs. Lefties & never hits in the clutch is a big liability IMO. I laugh at fans here in Cleveland saying pick up Santana’s option & extend him??? It will be Travis Hafner all over again, also I want to see if Beltran waives his no-trade clause.
I would like to see Beltran, but hold onto Santana who has still has decent value.
Well they could try Beltran in LF Ramirez at 3B. It will be ok for home games. Road games in spacious parks like Detroit/K.C. not so sure. Yes, Santana Homers & Walks a lot. However most HR’s are solos & only 2 right-handed.
That is exactly their plan since Ramirez has been hitting well and Uribe no so much. I’m all for dumping Uribe and Almonte ASAP.
Hey Cleveland…The Phillies have a pretty good catcher named Rupp that can be had. .273 with 10 homers and a cannon for an arm
Would the Phillies take the return that the Brewers got for Lucroy? It doesn’t seem like that great of a package.
Slightly different package but yes. Phillies have 3 good looking catching prospects so they wont need a catching prospect back
It is a good package and far too much for Rupp who is nowhere near the player Lucroy is.
Bingo, a much more reasonable trade, nowhere near a Lucroy but still an improvement over the current catching core.
“So you’re telling ‘the Mets’ there’s a chance”.
Mets, Rangers have been told they will not be getting Lucroy. Red Sox, Astros still interested.
He obviously wanted to renegotiate his contract and the Tribe said no. Good luck in Milwaukee.
Maybe not interested in switching leagues.
F
Lucroy can waste away in Milwaukee until he hits free agency and then can cash in and retire wishing he took a run at a pennant.
Lucroy hates Drew Carey and Mimi so much.
Tribe should offer the same four prospects to the Reds for Bruce.
We are told that the Rangers and Mets are working on trading for Bruce, after finding out they would not be getting Lucroy. The Indians probably will show interest in Bruce.
Bruce for mets is dumb. Where would he play? Grandy in center is terrible idea. Ces can’t play center right now. Bruce obviously is not in center. Conforto regressed terribly this year. Lagares is hurt. De aza is hitting for now but he isn’t a starting player. I think a platoon in center of current guys is best option. No spot for Bruce.
Except Bruce doesn’t have anywhere near the value that Lucroy does.
Wonder if he’s still allowed at Napoli’s Party?
Wow… A major league rejection. The Phillies might be able to help. If VV is potentially I’d say Rupp could be available. He would cost a lot too, but with the Phillies having Knapp and Alfaro moving up the ranks, they maybe willing to part with Rupp for slight overpayment. I’d hate to lose Rupp, but he is an underrated player at the moment, very solid addition to a team with crap catching. Will see. Phils have a lot to give if teams pony up.
The Tribe will sweeten the pot and he will come
They shouldn’t have to, unless Mikwaukee allows them to pull back on the prospects going to them. His value was what it was.
Thank God. We will keep Mejia and Chang thank you very much.
Mejia will be a star, glad they keep him, but they still need an answer at catcher.
I would like to c somekimd of rus martin lucry trade pay lucry 15/yr over 5
Theo/Jed-If you are watching this play out with Lucroy:
Montero is Edwin Jackson 2.0. Time to eat the contract and either ship him off or DFA. He cannot catch at an MLB level anymore, and he cannot even crack .200.
Contreras-awesome, but this kid is another year or two away from taking the C position full time. You cannot afford to throw this kid into the lions den in September and October.
Ross-Almost 40 years old, not an every day Catcher, and retiring at the end of the year.
Schwarber-Holy crap-trade the kid to the AL already. He is not an every day Catcher, and not even a part time LF’er. He belongs at the DH position.
There is a spot, both short term and long term, for Lucroy. Lucroy/Contreras for 2017 sounds like a VERY nice position to be in. Please try to make this happen!!!!
No clue, huh?
Red Sox, Astros still showing interest in Lucroy. Both teams are in need of catchers, though if he was traded to Boston, he would probably split his time with Leon – 2/3: Lucroy, 1/3: Leon. He would be the #1 catcher with Houston as well. @greenmonsternews/IG
He’s trying to get money. I say trade his ass to the braves now who wanted him. Why did we give a young catcher the no trade clause anyway?! He’s gone but now he went from good luck in Cleveland to good riddance. I want mejia although now that it’s Armstrong I’m not as thrilled with the deal I guess
Trade him to ATL to spite him or because he would want to go there or they could give a nice return in prospects?
Well, it is Cleveland. I get it Lucroy.
If my job told me to go to Cleveland I’d veto it too
So… Lucroy is basically refusing to go to Cleveland unless he can get more money faster. But staying where he is will mean that won’t happen. He’s also denying himself the chance to go to a playoff team which could potentially make him more attractive to teams when he does hit FA.
Yeah…
No, he’ll still be traded. Worst case scenario it’s this off-season after his option is invoked. Best case it’s in next 26 hours. He won’t be a Brewer at the end of this contract.
He’s playing this correctly, IMO. This is partly on the Cleveland FO for being so publicly in love with Yan Gomes (who kind of stinks). Lucroy is understandably concerned if he has a bad stretch next year he’ll go into FA as a backup catcher. It’s happened before. So only solution from his perspective was rip up 2017 option. That no-trade clause cost him millions when he negotiated his contact. It’s there for a reason.
These millionaires and their stupid requests. You make millions to play baseball. Suck it up and go play instead of crying about your dumb option.
Millionaire players that are being paid by billionaire owners to play baseball. It’s all relative. The money’s there. Players just want their piece of the pie. Nothing wrong with that.
This is the funniest thing I’ll hear for weeks lmaoooo
Nothing against Cleveland and nothing against Lucroy in my book… They tried and it’s his right to veto… Each team needs to pony up and pay him off to accept the trade, imo. $2.5m each for $5m total for him to move on would feel worth it to me.
Wrong. Cleveland already ponied up on him based on his value which included his contract for 2017. Without that he was not worth what they already agreed his value was. IMO it’s on Milwaukee to make it right.
Wrong, cause lolz. But in all seriousness… it’s a player with a no-trade right. It really is on both teams to make it go through. This isn’t solely either teams problem. It’s Lucroy’s issue and an added cost to the trade for trying to force his hand. Make it, don’t make it… won’t matter to me. But its a nice middle of the road compromise.
If he was wanting free agency, he’s looking for more money than either would pay. Think about what he’d get in free agency being possibly the most sought FA in the class.
I know, but he just doesn’t have that kind of leverage. Basically, I’m proposing paying him off to allow that option to be enough for one year. $10m vs $5m is a win for Lucroy in a situation he can’t win. Seems obvious to me. He’s not going to be FA this winter, short of a miracle.
Brewers fans this is not helping you either. The dude is gonna leave after next year or be traded, he wants to get paid. The Indians were giving you half the farm for him.
They were by no means giving the farm. The prospects were good, but were not going to rip the Indians farm to pieces
Lucroy says he needed Indians to ‘rip up’ 2017 contract.
Lucroy is dumb for turning down the trade, he had a chance to be on one of the best teams in the al with the best starting staff lead by kluber. All because they Lucroy didn’t want to play for them in 2017 and wanted to hit the open market.
I believe he should be compensated to waive the no trade clause. It’s in place for a reason. I also believe he doesn’t want to get flipped again before hitting free agency.
held his ground. milwaukee should never have engaged cleveland with trade talks
Why? Players waive the no trade clause all the time.
why? written in black on white paper in his contract
Cleveland blew it by not guaranteeing him being their catcher in 2017. He would have solidified a great starting rotation, and with their tools, adding Miller too, they would have made a good run. Hopefully Texas or Boston will go after him now and make the deal he needs to make a run at a World Series Ring, something he’ll NEVER do in Milwaukee.
This is what I was thinking as bad as Gomes has been his defense is going to make him the catcher for a large portion of games still, Lucroy being a part time catcher is going to fetch much less as a free agent.
The Indians planned to rotate him between C DH and 1B. I don’t blame him for vetoing a trade. He is 1.5 years from free agency and wants to be able to showcase his skills on a daily basis.
Also, lucroy runs the risk of getting flipped again after this year.
NY could step in and agree to negotiate the contract for next year but would probably be a mistake. He is not a NY player if he wasn’t happy to go to Cleveland with that team. Who wouldn’t want a chance to win a WS and catch salazar carasco and Klubber. Weak
Dumbass! He was offered a chance to go to a contender AND to a team that was on his no-trade list. He has lost all of his leverage AND most likely pissed off the Milwaukee front office. Now he could end up with the Mets and have no say in the matter and no chance of getting anything monetarily or otherwise to waive his no trade. He needs to fire his agent…..stupid move. He could have probably gotten an extra mil or two bonus to waive his no trade in addition to the better than average chance to get some post season cash as well. He must REALLY not like Cleveland!
You’ve got a situation where both sides have leverage. I would’ve thought the hold up would’ve been Lucroy wanting an extension or a bump on next year’s option, not to void it completely. However, when players are preforming far below their contractual income, I don’t see them offering to take reduced salaries. I can’t blame anyone in any profession for seeking top dollar, but when you agree to a deal, you should honor that deal.
Time for the Braves to swoop in and grab the Catcher we need. We can definitely give a better package than the Mets and I can see them trying to extend him right away and pay the man. I feel like with the Kemp trade that the Braves are at least going to try and win some games in 2017.
From a financial standpoint, Lycroy is smart to make this move. If he could have gotten to free agency this off season he would have no draft pick tied to him and could have maximized his earning potential. He was smart enough to get a no trade clause put into his contract and he is smart enough to use it to his advantage.
You seriously think that the Indians would not lock him up for less than $6M next year?
Watch the hell that breaks out when he is traded to a less competitive team like ATL after what he’s said.
Wow!
How could you vetp that trade?
The Indians have a realistic shot!
This is more of a Cleveland problem than a problem. Shouldn’t hate on the guy for having a reason to not want to go to Cleveland. I’m sure he asked for more $$, they said no, so he said no. Dude doesn’t have to go there if he doesn’t want to, especially if it’s in his contract.
Ok it’s dead moving on. Who do the Indians go after now? Will they reach for Norris? Maybe an outfield bat?
Ok, Texas will take Lucroy for cash considerations and a PTBNL. Buyers market now.
$ > desire to play for contender
So instead of the playing for a contending team you’d rather stay on that sorry team? Wow. Lol
I hope he gets traded to another last place team and is on a perennial losing team for years! what a dumb selfish decision
Silly him for considering his career and financial well being over the makeup of another team or so fans can have something to talk about for a couple of hours. Man that sure is selfish.
Lost all respect for Lucroy. Hope he gets to stay or is traded to a worse team now.
Bye Felicia
What options remain other than McCann and Norris?
Will the Tigers jump back in for Lucroy? I say no. McCann is a great defensive player.
Do does Lucroy think he can get that Club Option NOT exercised? That is not happening. ~$6MM is a option that any team would take.
I don’t get it. Cleveland has a good a chance as any team… and his value would be huge to them.
Guess he doesn’t enjoy, uh, winning. I mean, he’s being asked to leave Milwaukee, not San Diego. Maybe terrible beer and mediocrity are just really important to him.
So much for all of Lucroy’s BS about wanting to play for a contender. In the end he’s proven that money is more important than winning. Loser
Lucroy has some pretty big balls.
Super balls…bouncing around in his cranium.
Such a coward
I’m confused… I understand Cleveland’s FO not being aware that he would veto, but how the heck did Milwaukee not know that? Wouldn’t they ask him before spending the time negotiating for the guys they wanted?
This is Milwaukee/Lucroy’s fault. He’s been rumored to move for a while and in every article they mentioned the teams on his no trade list. That they didn’t communicate 100% prior to sealing a deal with Cleveland is bush league. It’s not on Cleveland to then come back and bribe him, they offered up the going rate, better than the going rate actually or else Milwaukee wouldn’t have agreed to the deal.
I hope Clevland wins it all so he always looks back and thinks “what if.”
I don’t get why everyone is so bent out of shape by this at all. It’s not just his decision. He has a family who are affected by this trade as well. His wife and 6 year old daughter have friends, school and planted roots in Milwaukee. Obviously, if he is traded to one of the 21 teams not on his no trade he won’t have a choice, but right now, he is acting totally within his rights and it’s exactly this type of situation why teams add NTC. He signed a team friendly extension for some financial security but also because he likes playing in Milwaukee. Lucroy is the one in the right here. If Cleveland wanted him bad enough, or Milwaukee wanted to trade him bad enough, they would figure out a settlement with him. They didn’t, so this is on those teams, not Lucroy.
Boo freakin’ hoo, he’s a professional athlete and trades are a part of the territory. Should he not have bumped from A ball to AA and AAA because the family liked those towns too? Would getting shipped to Minnesota or the Braves and not getting any compensation have made his poor family feel better? He signed a contract that he believed paid him what he believed he was worth, not Clevelands fault who offered over market value on the trade which took into account his salary and terms of the contract. He has a greatly reduced value if he were a free agent at the end of this year, so why should Cleveland trade over value and then come back and say it’s ok they’ll stay pay the same price but he can walk away in two months? . Lucroy and the Brewers totally messed this all up.
The more I think about it, the more I realize this might be a blessing in disguise. Lucroy wants a big contract when he hits free agency. The best way to do that is to start him at his primary position like the Brewers have been doing.
Say what you want about Gomes