SUNDAY: The Padres have announced Weaver’s signing. To make room for Weaver, the club has placed righty Colin Rea on the 60-day disabled list. Rea underwent Tommy John surgery in November and won’t pitch this year.
SATURDAY: The Padres have agreed to terms with veteran righty Jered Weaver to a one-year deal, Fan Rag’s Jon Heyman tweets. USA Today’s Bob Nightengale was the first to tweet a deal was close. Weaver will receive $3MM, as Heyman tweets and SB Nation’s Chris Cotillo confirms. Weaver can also receive a $250K assignment bonus. Weaver is a client of the Boras Corporation.
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The Padres were repeatedly connected to Weaver this winter as the team aimed to remake its rotation. After parting ways with Andrew Cashner and James Shields in trades last season and then non-tendering Tyson Ross, the Padres’ starting pitching corps looked extremely thin. The team has since added veterans Jhoulys Chacin, Clayton Richard and Trevor Cahill to eat innings, and it appears Weaver will be another arm to add to that mix.
Weaver has pitched his entire career to this point a short drive up Interstate 5 in Anaheim, and his new deal with the Padres allows the Southern California native to stay in familiar environs. The 34-year-old has generally been a reliable workhorse throughout his career, but he’s undergone a long decline in the past several seasons that culminated in a very disappointing 2016 in which he posted a 5.06 ERA, 5.2 K/9 and 2.6 BB/9 while averaging just 83 MPH with his fastball. ERA estimators suggested he was even worse than that 5.06 ERA suggested, with a 5.64 xFIP and 5.44 SIERA. His ground ball rate also continued to drop to just 28.8%, and he led the AL in home runs allowed, with 37. A big-league deal for him is a small coup for Boras at this point.
Even as Weaver’s velocity and strikeout rate have diminished in recent years, however, he still managed to pitch 178 innings last season, and his ability to take the ball has value. He could be an asset for a Padres staff that could struggle to get through games in 2017.
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Resign him? Lol
Why not Peavy?
I don’t care how much experience he has how can this be a good signing? Unless they’re starting a softball team and need a starting pitcher
Look at their rotation. Its bad lol. Weaver is a veteran, and can be a good help to the staff. If he pitches well, they can trade him, if not no problem.
How can a guy that gave up the most home runs in the AL and whose highest velocity pitch is 83 mph help ANY team? He can’t. Weaver is done. He is a waste of money and roster space. Rather see one of the kids get a shot than a washed up guy who can’t throw as hard as the typical high school pitcher. Preller will end up cutting his sorry behind in May when he has an ERA approaching 7 and will have wasted two months of development of someone who might actually help the team in the future.
If be fascinated to hear who you think is starting the year in El Paso who is ready to get some experience in the big leagues. Neither Lockett nor Lamet are, Kelly isn’t really in the mix, and Vargas needs some innings first to stretch back out. Here ends the list of Chihuahuas pitchers who might some day start a big league ballgame.
Cosart, Clemens, Friedrich, Vargas. All would be better choices than Weaver. They are even talking about sending Perdomo down now that Weaver has signed. So 4 guys that are better than Weaver won’t get a shot and Perdomo may be sent down just because he has options and 3 of those I mentioned don’t. Green said today that he was impressed with Vargas and earlier said BOTH Lamet and Lockett are ready to compete for a spot in the rotation. So you are saying the manager of the team doesn’t know what he is talking about? Please STFU.
*I’d… stupid fat fingers.
There’s definitely a good argument against signing Weaver (put that $3M toward the signing bonus on Luis Robert or Hernandez), but it’s not really a surprise that you’re incapable of making it.
What’s the point of next season for the Padres? Lose as many games possible to secure a high draft pick and limit MLB service time for the kids on the farm. This move accomplishes both of that. In what world do you think the Padres are trying to win? You crazy af bro
Yup, Weaver can help them in that regard, as the chances of losing will increase astronomically every time he take the mound.
You’ve listed two guys who were released in the last 12 months in a conversation about players “who might actually help the team in the future.”
Lamet and Lockett will both be in minor league camp by 3/14. If you’re unable to recognize that 97% of what managers say during media availabilities in the first week of spring training is just pablum, that’s on you.
Weaver was one of the worst pitchers in the game and is declining. I noticed you couldn’t come up with a real response so you stooped to trying insults. Well, I get that you have little to no understanding of baseball so I will let that pass. International free agent signings have nothing to do with signing or not signing a washed up and declining POS like Weaver who was one of the worst pitchers in baseball last season instead of playing guys like the 5 I mentioned that are all better than him right now. The Padres have the lowest payroll in the game and can certainly afford both a free agent signing and more International FA so that has no bearing whatsoever on this situation. Hope that helps you gain some understanding of the game.
Regardless of whether they were released by another team or not, there is no argument against the fact that they are definitely better than Weaver. Weaver had a NEGATIVE WAR, only one starter had a worse ERA in the game and he had the very worst xFIP, and he is in a steep decline. He is a total waste of roster space and will likely be cut by the end of May.
The only reason Lamet and Lockett might be in minor league camp by March 14 is because of signing a washed up POS like Weaver who is taking up roster space that could be better used by a kid like that. Weaver is horrible now and trending downward. Kelly, Lamet, and Lockett at least have upside and a FB over 83.
You ARE trying to say that the manager of the Padres doesn’t know what he is talking about. The hubris. He has a job in baseball and you are posting on a board. Enough said.
Signing a washed up and declining POS like Weaver blocks the development at the major league level of pitchers who are better now, not to mention might actually be around when the Padres are contending in 2019 and beyond. Not your bro.
First scheduled minor league spring training game for the Padres is 3/15. Here’s a wager for you: Lockett and Lamet will be sent down no later than that. Wager is whichever of us is wrong goes dark on comments here for one month.
While I agree that Weaver is probably washed up and done, your assertion that no pitcher who throws 83 can be successful is a bit of a stretch. Most recently, a guy named Jamie Moyer had a pretty successful career throwing right around that range. Of course, you have to get guys out and Moyer did a very fine job of doing that. Weaver didn’t last year but I suppose he could prove us wrong.
The thing with those guys is their service time. Padres are not going to come close to competing this year. Why give them more service time when it will bite them in the ass in a couple years. Remember the business aspect of the game sometimes over rides talent. Weaver will still have some teachable moments for the guys on the roster, but yeah he is washed up. He needs to live on the corners with that 83 mph to be anywhere near effective. Petco park will help a tiny bit but not enough.
Moyer was a lefty and he had tremendous movement on his pitches. Weaver is a righty and no longer has much movement. Lack of velocity and lack of movement contributed to him being either the worst or the 2nd worst pitcher in baseball depending on the metric you use. Like you said, Weaver is washed up.
Cosart, Clemens, Friedrich have no minor league options. The Padres are going to keep them on the 25 man roster all season anyway or have to expose them to waivers. Why potentially lose any of those guys for a washed up guy like Weaver?
All 3 of the Chihuahua’s starters you mentioned are MLB ready. They all have both the stuff and the demeanor. Could they use more seasoning? Yes. The Padres would also be better served by keeping them in the minors until at least June so they can extend control over them. At least 2 of them, Lamet and Lockett, are going to be pieces of the Padres staff either as a starter or reliever for years to come.
The pitchers that will be blocked the most in MLB development are Perdomo who will likely have to be sent down because of this signing and Cosart and Friedrich. Players that have great stuff and a good chance at being part of a winning team in 2019, but who will not be starting in 2017.
You also have to take into consideration the players that will be held down in AA and A ball because players that would typically compete for a 5th starter position like Perdomo, Cosart, Friedrich, Lamet, Vargas, and Lockett are either being forced to the bullpen or held back in the minors.
To me its pretty clear that Preller wont have any of the 4 guys he signed back in 2018 other than possibly Cahill as a reliever and will be doing some expensive shopping for front line starters in that huge FA market in 2018 and 2019 in order to compete in 2019.
Pads fan- what’s Green going to say, that those guys suck? Come on. And let’s say, for arguments sake, that one of those guys you listed ends up being a successful MLB pitcher (possible, but it’s not like they’re future all-stars), you would rather speed up their service clock in a year where it would be a miracle if the Padres didn’t finish in the basement? Well okay then. Sorry, but you’re more likely competing for the number 1 pick than a playoff spot. No need to rush anything. Take the homer glasses off.
Moyer never threw hard. NEVER. It wasn’t an adjustment for him. I have no problem with the Padres signing a veteran for the rotation, but the damage they will do to the bullpen by picking up crap starters like Weaver, could tell for years. Unless they plan to let him pitch 7 innings no matter how much he gives up, there were other options out there. I’d take Pelfrey over him if all I’m looking for is innings. (don’t think the Tigers wouldn’t give him away).
Peavy still > Weaver
Padres don’t have much in pitching ready
They got a few guys that can start but need some more season and question marks with elbows
All their pitching is in low minors like a ball
Gotta admit, I’m pretty amused by the double standard here, Pads Fans. In one breath you are calling Preller out for the signing and insinuating he doesn’t know what he’s doing, and the next you are telling a fellow commenter to ‘STFU’ because he’s insinuating the manager doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Weaver’s 5..06 ERA was better than James Shields and Andrew Cashner.
That kind of thing is pretty much par the course for Pads Fans. You learn to live with it.
Guess you owe him whatever you were betting. Lockett was sent optioned to El Paso on the 18th.
No one is trading for Weaver
The angels
Come on now bro
Use your Ryan imagination
That’s a good one.. LOL
He will just serve as a stop gap until their prospects are ready.
No. Padres pitching prospects won’t be ready until 2020, 2021. Weaver will be long gone before that.
Lamet, Lockett and Maton will see time in the majors this season. Possibly Kelly as well. Diaz has to be considered a prospect and he has to stay on the 25 man all season or be sent back. Quantrill, Espinoza, Lauer, Kelly, and Nix should all have at least pitched in the majors by 2019 with a good chance that Espinoza and Quantrill are in the 2019 starting rotation out of camp. Then there is another wave coming in 2020 that is headed by Morejon, Thompson, Allen and Paddack. That doesn’t include the IFA signings that are much harder to project.
You really think Espinoza will be in the starting rotation at age 19?
I dont think so..but I def’ see him being talked about as a plausible option , when he turns 20. I think he’s that good.
Won’t he be 21 in 2019?
glad he could latch on somewhere. I wish him nothing but the best
What you said. I appreciate all he did for the Angels and enjoyed watching him
I agree. Always a professional who managed to take the ball every 5th day even with declining stuff. He carried himself well and was a team leader. He took a hometown discount years back that was criticized for being so team friendly. Wish him nothing but the best!
Nobody competes like Weaver … he could be throwing 75 and still find a way to battle and win some games. I would love to see him back in an Angels uniform as a pitching coach someday!
For real. What do they see in this guy that they don’t see in Jake Peavy?
Trade him to the angels for Simmons lol
Maybe Jake Peavy wouldnt take 3 million dollars? I mean they probably chose Weaver cause he took the 3 mill while Peavy wanted 6-9 or something for 1 year. That would be the only guess I have as to why they went Weaver over Peavy.
Lol WHAT? Who says Peavy wanted $6-9m? The way he pitched last year he’d have to be pretty stupid to think he’d get that much $
Nobody said peavy wanted 6-9 mill, thats my speculation on why padres signed weaver over peavy- peavy wanted more money, maybe he wanted more than 3 mill maybe he wanted more incentive laden deal than the $250k weaver got.
“I mean they probably chose Weaver cause he took the 3 mill while Peavy wanted 6-9 or something for 1 year.”
Read for comprehension. The word PROBABLY means it is possible they signed weaver because he took 3 mill and Peavy wanted more than 3 mill.
Peavy had 7.73 k/9, 2.73 BB/9, and carried a 4.36 FIP and 4.7 xFIP in 118 innings. fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1051&posit…
Andrew Cashner had 7.64 k/p, 4.09 BB/9, 4.84 FIP and 4.63 xfip in 132 innings. He signed with the Rangers on a 1 year 10 mill. fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8782&posit…
RA Dickey had 6.68 k/9 , 3.34 BB/p, 5.04 FIP and 4.76 xfip in 169 innings. He signed a 1 year 8 mill deal. fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1245&posit…
Derek Holland had a 5.62 k/p, 2.93 bb/p, 4.75 FIP, and 5.14 xfip in 107 innings and got 1 year 6 mill. fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4141&posit…
You look around baseball pitchers with similar numbers got around 6-9 mill……so it makes sense peavy would expect similar compensation for similar results…….did you even look at similar pitchers and what they got this off season Ryan?
Cashner is quite a bit younger than all the guys you mentioned. Also, Peavy basically just throws mid-high ’80s with no movement these days. GM’s look at more than just results. Every team that signed one of the guys you mentioned is expecting them to rebound in 2017. There’s really no reason to believe Peavy will do that. I seriously doubt he expects to get $6-9m
Define rebound cause Dickey and Holland aren’t going to rebound to their mets and rangers days of old- the only one on the list that has a chance to rebound is cashner; Dickey isn’t going to give them under 4 production and Holland isnt giving them much with his shoulder issues. Peavy posted better peripherals the FIP and xFIP were better at 4.36 and 4.7 than Holland and Dickey. Thats ok 5th starter material and results play a major role in decision making- peavy struck out a decent amount given his 7.73 k/9, still has command given his 2.73 bb/9, also Cashner is 5 years younger than Peavy, thats not quite a bit. RA Dickey is 42, that is quite a bit younger; Cashner’s age is why he got 10 mill. I’d expect peavy to get closer to 6 on a 1 year deal.
In 2014 Peavy pitched with his fastball at 89.9 MPH and his cutter at 86.5. In 2015 he pitched with his fastball at 90.2 and his cutter at 85.9. Last year his fastball was at 88.9 and his cutter at 85.1. Even with slower velocity he put up ok k results and commanded it well.
RA Dickey pitched with his fastball velocity at 82.3 last season. If Dickey can get 1 year 8 mill. Peavy can easily wind up getting 1 year 6 mill. Peavy had a 1.37 HR/9 while Dickey had 1.47 HR/9.
It isn’t that far of a reach for Peavy’s agent to offer his client somewhere in the 6-9 range. Like I previously said I’d expect closer t0 6.
But back to the original point- padres PROBABLY signed weaver over peavy because peavy wanted more money. How much, who knows. But I highly doubt they chose to sign weaver over peavy offering both 3 mill or chose to pay weaver 3 mill while offering peavy 2.9 or less.
DeadlestCatch! So good of you to stop by! Need I remind you of your insistence that trading Trea Turner was a good thing!? Like, who the heck needs a shortstop!? And your insistence that Anthony Rizzo would have been a bust if we hadn’t traded him!? Like moving out of PETCO Park magically turns you from bust to perennial All Star!? Even tho a map of his home runs shows they would go out anyway!? And even tho he didn’t succeed until he incorporated changes suggested to him by Padres coaches!? Brilliant! Just brilliant! The world basks in your intellect like the warm rays of the sun!
1. I said Myers filled a team need better than Turner did. Franchise corner stone for a franchise corner stone. Padres traded a superstar SS for a superstar 25-25 HR/SB 1B, if myers can stay healthy. I also said having turner opened a gap at 1B which you seem to think getting RH production from 1B is somehow easy, which is why 1/3 of the teams in the entire MLB have RH production from 1st…….cause its so easy.
2. Rizzo has a batting average under .200 in roughly 130 ABs at petco. Also HRs he has hit at wrigley wouldnt all be HRs at petco….which I disproved by providing you a link to the marine layer effect petco has which would have knocked down many would be HRs. Rizzo would of been a good hitter, but not good enough to be a perennial all star; his overall bat line would have taken a good hit and with Goldschmidt, Votto, Freeman, Gonzalez, in the NL Rizzo being a padre would have diminished his All star chances, unless he was their teams selection.
Common Ryan, you werent good enough to debate then and you arent good enough to debate it now. Please keep coming back. Remind us how you thought Chapman would get 19 20 mill a season LOL when he wound up getting what I expected he would get around 16 mill in total.
I don’t know the original argument between you two, but Chapman got $17.2 million AAV. You were both wrong if one said $19 million and the other said $16 million. Chapman turned down a $92 million deal which would have put him at $18.4 million AAV.
As far as Rizzo goes, if you try to argue that a 130 AB sample is enough to say that a player will be a failure, then there are hundreds of All Stars and quite a few HOF players that would have been utter failures. The lines at Wrigley are actually deeper than Petco and San Diego rarely has wind blowing in. Since the construction of Ballpark village and several other hi-rise buildings around Petco in late 2015 and 2016, the ballpark plays much closer to neutral in terms of home runs. When you do charts of Rizzo’s home runs there was only 1 in 2016 that would not have been a home run in Petco. His home run numbers may have actually improved if he played 18 games per season in Coors Field and Chase Field compared to playing in the NL Central ballparks.
RA Dickey is a knuckleball pitcher. Velocity is not really a part of his game.
RA is a knuckleballer. Velocity is not a part of his game. Using him did not help your assertions.
1. The Padres’ #1 biggest need is a quality, everyday Major League shortstop. And it has been that way ever since they traded Khalil Greene. So Turner indeed would have filled a bigger need for the Padres than Myers. You also forget that in the Myers trade, the Padres parted with a young 1st baseman named Jake Bauers who is a top 100 prospect in baseball as I type this comment. You will probably say that Bauers isn’t actually any good. You aren’t necessarily wrong in that instance but even then, a quality 1st baseman is much easier to find than a quality shortstop.
2. Like the other guy said, 130 ABs isn’t nearly a large enough sample size to draw any conclusions from, especially when most of those AB’s came during his rookie year. The marine layer might have hurt some, but when you’re as good as Rizzo is, it isn’t going to make suddenly make you stop hitting. Goldschmidt, Votto, Freeman and Gonzalez’s accomplishments do not in any way diminish Rizzo’s and even in the absolute worst case scenario, he would still be the quality, everyday Major League 1st baseman we would need if it weren’t for the Myers trade.
3. I have thought for a while that you and xpacificxsharkxdangerx were the same person, now I know that it’s true. Why do you have two accounts? Is it because you posted too many troll comments on xpacific and now no one will take you seriously on that account? Is that it? Hilarity at its maximum.
This isn’t even a debate because a debate implies that you actually bring some kind of argument to the table which you don’t. You explicitly said that Chapman wasn’t getting $15m per year in free agency and that he would be stupid to not forego free agency by taking a $60-70m extension from the Cubs. Well look what happened? He got $86m guaranteed. That’s $16m more in guaranteed money than the maximum value you said he would be stupid to not sign for. AND he got an opt out. Which means if he pitches well over the next 3 years and wants to try free agency one more time, he has the right to do that.
You keep coming back and getting smacked back down with facts DeadliestCatch. That’s three arguments you’ve failed at miserably and more delusional nonsensical drivel to come from you in the future. How are your fake friends and fake family enjoying your weekly visit at the insane asylum?
From what I heard, the Padres FO hasn’t even talked to Peavy. They definitely like Weaver more. I don’t know why.
P.S. Dickey is a knuckleballer. Fastball velocity isn’t a concern with him like it is for more pitchers.
LOL jake bauers is yonder alonso 2.0 at petco…..ffs that was hysterical XD. Oh top prospect cause those always pan out. Good thing all top 100 prospects are bonafide MLB regulars…..
Its hilarious how you twist a comment to suit your delusional self wortg ryan, it really is.
I initially said he would get 12-14 mill with 40%-60% in incentives to push the deal in total to 16-18 million. Like you said he got just that. Which, according to your idiotic facts chapman would of gotten 19 20 mill+ LOL well not the first or last time youve been wrong Ryan. Thank god
you werent his agent. Youd have him holding out for 19 20 mill and never getting it. Least the deal with the cubs was financially the same amount of money structured differently and he stayed with the perennial ws contender for 2-3 years.
I actually dont have two accounts. I changed the user name on xpacficxshark, so its still 1 account under a different name. I have arthritis so typing in deadliestcatch shortened the login procress for me. But thats more a personal reason for changing the name.if I had more than one account youd be down voted more for your stupidity than you already are……so there goes that argument LOL.
Also, rizzo at petco would not be the hitter he is with the cubs. Plain and simple. That is not to say he wouldnt be a good hitter, walk rates and strike out rates dont change but overall production would dip. Not as many HRs, less doubles, which drop his slg and other stats…….but I mean leave it to ryan to mess that part up LOL. Ah man, its hilarious watching ryan create these alternative facts and try to produce them as truths. Nobody is buying your bs ryan. Now run along back to mommy for your breast feeding wittle wyan.
The velocity of RA Dickey wasnt the major sticking point.
RA Dickey got 8 mill despite worse periphials, worse K rates, worse walk rates, and 7 years older than peavy…….which I mentioned in his 2016 season break down.
His velocity was just to show the absurdity that velocity is somehow the end all for a pitcher.
Point still remains dickey, a worse pitcher by all conceivable measurements, got 8 mill. Peavy could easily get 6.
Still with Turner and Rizzo? How about Alomar while you’re at it get new material
We all know trading Turner, Rizzo,Grandal, Gyorko, Wisler, Hahn etc were beyond dumb why keep rehashing they are not coming back
Actually I am glad Wisler and Hahn are gone. Theyve been nightmares for the Braves and A’s.
Also, glad Gyorko is gone. 2016 was an outlier year for him. He had a major spike in his iso- doubt he carries .253 iso every year.
You talk too much
Exactly,all us Padre fans have to stop living in the past. Preller and Co. have this franchise going in a direction that they have never truly commited to, a complete rebuild. The next couple of years aren’t going to be pretty, but I would rather “suffer” for a couple more years, than have them switch gears half was through this and try to contend premature again. We should all be excited about the future, not dwelling on the past.
Your argument for number 2 is pure fallacy. It has been proven time and time again that results at a ballpark have no bearing on future/past results at said ballpark when playing for that team, as you face different pitchers and have different external factors at play, such as lineup protection, etc.
Congratulations. You figured out that it is easier to hit in Wrigley than it is in PETCO. That in no way means we should have made that trade, nor does it mean Rizzo would have been a bust if we hadn’t traded him. Worst case scenario he would have been a quality Major League first baseman with good enough stats that it wouldn’t be a joke if he were to make the All Star Game. Bottom line, had the not traded Rizzo for Cashner, they would be looking much better than they are now. And that is the only reason we need to not make that trade.
You can keep trying to argue with me until 2018 or until they ban us and it won’t change that I am SCHOOLING you with the cold, hard facts. I’m all smiles Mr. Lonely and that will be your song that you can sing with all the other mental patients at the asylum as you are deemed their resident faux Bobby Vinton now 🙂
I don’t like the Gyorko trade because we sold low on him. We are far from hosed at the 2nd base position without him but if we had waited one year we would have been able to trade him without eating any of his contract and actually gotten back something of value in return (the Cardinals just wanted to dump Jay at the time)
Neither you, I nor anyone else knows where Jake Bauers’ career will go from here. But he’s a top 100 prospect in baseball for a reason so without the Myers trade we weren’t necessarily hosed at 1st base. And even if he didn’t pan out, quality first basemen are still easier to find than quality shortstops. The Padres know this all too well.
The contract you suggested was between 60 and 70m guaranteed. Chapman got $86m guaranteed with a no-trade clause and an opt out. That is better than the contract you suggested in every way, shape and form. It’s all about guaranteed money. No free agent will ever take a contract with incentives if they can get all that money guaranteed.
Were I Chapman’s agent, I would have told him to do exactly what he did: don’t take any extension, wait out free agency and sign with the highest bidder. The Marlins actually offered him a $92m contract but I guess the opt out, the no-trade clause and getting to play for the Yankees (a team he is familiar with and that is looking good for the future) as opposed to playing for the Marlins (one of the worst run organizations in MLB) were worth more to him than $6m.
But mentally challenged individuals such as yourself don’t get this. Not back in July, not today and probably not ever 🙂
Because there are people who still claim that trading Rizzo and Turner was a good idea. I will keep rehashing it until everyone admits that the Padres were wrong to trade those guys.
Line up protection has proven to be a fallacy in of itself. Funny you call out one fallacy, ball park factors, only to bring up another fallacy, line up protection, in your argument.
fangraphs.com/blogs/what-would-lineup-protection-l…
sandiegouniontribune.com/g00/sports/padres/sd-sp-p…
mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/padres-have-held-talks-…
December 2016.
Jedd hit over 30 homers yeah who needs that
It was terrible trade but what’s new with Preller.
Of course it was bad who could argue that
A lot of people would actually
How come no one talks about asinine trade of Grandal? He led catchers in homers and led Dodgers in Walks. 2014/2015 off season could go down as worst in sports history. Max Fried could be next one that shines
Enough with Peavy get over it
just bcuz YOU want Peavy to pitch in SD, does not mean that HE wants to pitch there.
congrats to weaver. Truly great guy and one of my all time favorites. I’m bummed the padres don’t visit anaheim this year so he can get the standing ovation he deserves.
Any team with a hole in their rotation at the end of spring training knows who to call. Between the Padres and Dodgers, they have about 50 pitchers too many.
I think they’ll be fine, but if the Pirates young pitchers struggle, I could see them trying to get Cahill or Richard on the cheap from the Padres or Kazmir or McCarthy from the Dodgers. They’ve been linked to all of these pitchers in the past.
The Dodgers can throw in some outfielders as well
Actually, a lot of Pirates fans would gladly take Scott VanSlyke.
I haven’t looked at his numbers, most would only care about the nameplate.
He’s been terrible and/or hurt for like two years now
I think that if Van Slyke got regular playing time he would rake…that’s just my opinion but I’m sure I will be slammed with all kinds of numbers and math formulas to prove me wrong
Nah, nothing like that. He’s a platoon guy, mashes left-handers, can’t hit right-handers. That’s a useful player if a manager uses him right.
lol all kinds of numbers and math formulas. Funny, thank you.
Geez, their pitching staff is pitiful. No wonder they don’t win many games.
Weaver is a great fit in SD, his “success despite lack of stuff” style will play pretty well there. He might even have fantasy value if the defense behind him is any good.
Padres defense is pretty lousy Schimpf is awful defensively, Solarte is below-average, whoever they play at shortstop is terrible. Myers is a good first baseman.
What’s relevant for Weaver is that if he hasn’t already been released by the time Margot gets called up, they’ll likely have the best defensive outfield in the game.
Luckily, most of the balls hit off Weaver are line drives, fly balls, and home runs. He gave up 37 home runs last year, most in the AL.
Yeah Weaver will be baking on the Padres outfield to bail him out, with all the fly balls he gives up. Guys like Margot and Jankowski will be helpful in that regard.
What success? That 5.06 ERA and the most home runs in the AL sure doesn’t scream success to me. He was one of the worst pitchers in the game. He had no success last season and he is declining, not getting better. Best case scenario is Weaver gets cut in May before he can block any pitchers with a shot at helping the team win.
Arguably the greatest Halo pitcher of all time.
Nolan Ryan was just slightly better.
Chuck Finley
Ryan and Finley definitely. Witt, Tanana, Langston, Chance, Messersmith, Lackey. A whole lot of Halo guys I would rather have in my rotation than Weaver.
People forget how good Mike Witt really was in the mid-80s.
Messersmith was Dodgers
John Lackey better than all above he won WS
He was ok not a #1
Andy M. started with the Angels.
Andy pitched with the Angels for 5 seasons. 68-72.
Troy Percival? baseball-reference.com/players/p/percitr01.shtml
Juicer
paul byrd
Yes
Looks like dodgers getting bp
He managed to pitch 178 innings because the Angels literally had no one else and they were paying Weaver $20 million. Of course, they ran him out there. NO reason for the Padres to spend even one penny on this worthless POS. Weaver the Worthless gave up the most home runs in the AL, had a 28% GB rate, and his 83 mph slowball, can’t call it a FB, will get teed up again. Maybe a 6 ERA before they cut him in May. This is a total waste of time and money.
At last. Some spice to the San Diego/Seattle rivalry lol.
Sounds like you’re a fan of this signing
I can’t wait to see him pitch against the Rockies when they take road trips to Colorado. It’s going to be like Home Run Derby out there.
Don’t forget Chase Field. The Padres also play in Arlington and Chicago early in the season. Weaver might have 20 HRs given up by the end of May when he is released.
there a team looking for innings. They probably want to lose games, and as much as i love weaver he probably helps them lose. He also will teach young guys how to go about their business. It’s a good signing, dig deeper than the fact he’s not very good anymore
Since you like saying the same thing over and over, Pads Fans, why don’t you tell us what your really think.
You go and pitch 178 innings with a bad back and see how you go.
You are absolutely right Sid. Weaver has back problem that needs surgery and will only get worse without it. And he also a bad neck and a bad arm. He has a degenerative neck condition that will only get worse. His velocity dropped towards the end of last season and on the Padre’s boards they are saying he has not even approached 80 mph in his bullpens so far in ST. The only reason he got to throw that many innings last season was because he was being paid $20 million and the Angels literally had no other options because of injuries and a dearth of prospects.
Hey San Diego if you would like to sign someone for the league minimum that consistently throws harder than him, has more movement on their fastball and can throw a slider and a circle change please give me a call I would love to compete against him i can guarantee I would produce similar results
$ 3 million dollars. LOL Preller filled an entire rotation for less than $10 million dollars.
Low risk high reward signings. If Richard, Chacin, Weaver, Cahill are pitching well padres could get an intriguing or decent prospect back from a team who needs pitching down the stretch.
Who knows, these low cost signings could pay off or they could just be a waste of $10 mill on 4 players.
There really is no reward in this signing. Weaver is cooked
Low risk doesn’t necessarily mean high reward. But maybe if lightning strikes and one of them pitches to a sub-4.00 ERA the Padres can just fudge some medicals and score a top prospect from a more ethical franchise.
At 2-3 mill anything they get for these guys will be a high reward, nobody else wanted them. Richard chacin and weaver are scrap heap reclamation projects, they give you decent production its cheap, affordable, and any team can take on their salaries.
Thanks for Espinosa!
I am sure the Padres plan is to try and up his value and flip him at some point. Look what they did last year with Fernando Rodney, went from no one wanting him to getting a decent prospect for him from the Marlins.
Rodney had a 0.31 ERA in 28 games when he was traded. Weaver might have a 6.00 ERA or even higher when he is released in May.
I’m betting you didn’t predict that Rodney would have that type of start last year. I do see you’re quick with the Weaver prediction tho. My thought is that even if he starts off well, his lack of velocity will still keep other teams wary of acquiring him for anything of even minor value.
You missed the entire point. Guys with a 5+ ERA are not tradable. Guys with a 0.31 ERA, whether is was predicted or not, are very tradable.
Rodney was healthy and was predicted to have an ERA of 3.49 by Fangraphs and 3.78 by PECOTA prior to the 2016 season. A very valuable reliever even if he had only been pitching to that level.
Weaver is not healthy, back and neck problems, and is predicted to have an ERA of about 5.00 and to get 5-6 wins in 19-22 starts by Fangraphs and PECOTA. Not a valuable trade piece at all.
It’s difficult to make a bad rotation worse, but on Saturday Feb 18th the Padres signed the worse pitcher in baseball last season to a 3 mil deal. Keep in mind the day earlier the Blue Jays signed Mat Latos to a minor league deal. Hey Padres Mat Latos is better than Weaver, hey Padres every free agent pitcher on the market is better than Weaver, hey Padres every young starter in the your system throws harder than Weaver, hey Padres the average high school pitcher throws as hard as Weaver, hey Padres not only did you give the worse pitcher in baseball a major league contract but you just entitled him to a starting job because he’s a Boras client! I have a headache.
Worst pitcher in baseball? I might say Weaver only because he pitched so many terrible innings, but may I introduce you to one Tim Lincecum? His numbers were absolutely brutal in 2016.
Most people only look at the lists of qualified players. For pitchers that is about 162 innings. Pitchers as bad as Lincecum was last season rarely get that many innings. Lincecum had less than 40 innings.
Yeah one can argue Lincecum was worse but we can be pretty sure Lincecum will be lucky to get a minor league deal much less 3m+ incentives.
In his defense he said “worse” more than once. Who knows what he really meant?
@oceansnake84 Are you asserting a guy that has 11 MLB seasons and has 1 losing season out of 11 is bad? He pitched most of last season injured, and no, he didn’t get significant run support.. Beat Texas 3-1 6ip 1 run, Beat CWS 3-2 7ip 1er,
beat OAK 2-0 9ip 0ER SHO, Beat BOS 2-1 5.2 ip 1er ND, Beat TOR 6-3 5.2ip 1er, Beat CIN 4-2 6.1ip 2er, Beat Texas 3-2 6.2ip 2er, Lost to TOR 0-5, 6ip 2er, Beat TEX 5-4 6ip 4er, Beat OAK 2-1 5ip 0er ND. In a few other games of course he got some run support, but you can see in the games I’ve detailed, he didn’t.. Anyone that wins 12 games with a bad back and still goes .500 is not a bad pitcher, and any pitcher who has been in MLB for 11 seasons and has had 1 losing season is way above average.
$3M. Lol. Robbery. Hitters everywhere are rejoicing. Weaver retired a year or two ago, he just hasn’t announced it publicly.
Im not impressed. I know the Padres are always of two minds about how they handle their business. On one hand, they were rebuilding, long before they were extremely honest about that. But on the other hand, they have a front office, specifically Ron Fowler who has a very hard time, with any notions around just letting the pitching staff or lineup, just being what it is..mediocre at best. And quite frankly, they’re still a mediocre now…but I guess Weaver makes them a little more watchable, because like the JUps and Kemps and a Shields, he is a “name”
the lineup is decent at best…but once the inevitable injuries start happening to the likes of Chacin and Richard and maybe even Perdomo, this pitching staff is going to be a joke, with Cosart, Friedrich and Clemens, coming to save the day.
I have an eye on Cesar Vargas, who I thought was the best young arm in their rotation, before he got hurt…throw a healthy Vargas in the mix, and they might just be able to make chicken poop into chicken salad.
JUp, Kemp and Shields were still names because they still produced. Weaver was once a name. Not anymore.
Lol who is San Diego’s opening day starter?
It would have been Perdomo but at this point he might start in AAA because he has options and a bunch of these guys don’t
The names don’t really matter. What does matter is opponents will be putting on a laser show nightly.
This team, this pitching staff, can you number one draft pick
Gonna miss weaver in Anaheim. Yes the last few years have been bad with his 83 mph fastball but he always was a competitor on the mound. I will miss the death stares he gave scioscia in the 2nd inning when he was getting the hook.
gonna miss weaver , such a fierce competitor and a warrior with a bulldog mentality, he’s still an angel for life
My 8yr old boy throws harder than weaver..lol
Your 8 year old boy will most likely never play in the majors…lol
By mid season he will be released!!
C’mon with Peavy and Lewis still on the market…
Are you asserting a guy that has 11 MLB seasons and has 1 losing season out of 11 is a ‘bad’ pitcher? He pitched most of last season injured, and no, he didn’t get significant run support.. Beat Texas 3-1 6ip 1 run, Beat CWS 3-2 7ip 1er,
beat OAK 2-0 9ip 0ER SHO, Beat BOS 2-1 5.2 ip 1er ND, Beat TOR 6-3 5.2ip 1er, Beat CIN 4-2 6.1ip 2er, Beat Texas 3-2 6.2ip 2er, Lost to TOR 0-5, 6ip 2er, Beat TEX 5-4 6ip 4er, Beat OAK 2-1 5ip 0er ND. In a few other games of course he got some run support, but you can see in the games I’ve detailed, he didn’t.. Anyone that wins 12 games with a bad back and still goes .500 is not a bad pitcher, and any pitcher who has been in MLB for 11 seasons and has had 1 losing season is way above average.
About time someone realizes how hard it is to win in the majors and this guys been doing it for a long time. He gives you almost 200 innings per year, he makes no excuses, and finds ways to win. Everyone talks about his 84 not 83 mph average but don’t seem realize that he was 87-88 when he needed to be from May to October (April was really bad velocity). The padres are a joke and most of their talent is years away, they have absolutely nothing to lose and are hoping to catch lightning in a bottle. If he can give them 10-13 wins, 180-200 innings and an era anywhere in the 4’s, the padres did great. Worst case scenario he rubs of some of his winning experience to a team full of young guys used to losing
To clarify I know the padres have a good farm, really high ceilings but in lower levels. The big league team is the joke
“Finds ways to win”
Lol. I can’t believe you would say something so stupid. Wins and losses are a team stat, not a pitcher stat. Everyone has to play their part for the pitcher to win. And the way Weaver pitches the Padres’ offense is going to have to be a lot better than expected for him to get any wins.
Jered Weaver threw 3 pitches at 87 MPH last season according to Pitch F/X. He averaged 82.3 MPH on his 2 seam and 84 mph only on his 4 seam. Overall on FB it was 83. In September he never threw a single pitch over 84 and his average was 79.4 mph on 2 seam and 4 seam.
Get that “1 losing season” out of here Sid Beam!!!!!!!!!! Pitcher wins and losses are irrelevant!
We don’t know they have good farm. We will know when and if these guys perform at MLB level
Kind of interesting that Weaver makes it to San Diego finally. I believe Matt Bush was taken first by the Padres in that draft with Weaver and Stephen Drew being the concensus top picks, but Boras clients I believe…Verlander in that draft too. People in San Diego spent years wishing that Weaver (or anyone else instead of Bush) had been taken, watching him be a front end starter for close to a decade up the freeway. Kind of ironic and cruel after all these years that today you’d rather have Bush and his back of the bullpen arm…Life of a Padre fan…
Interesting
I think the story was that they drafted bush because he would sign for real cheap, right?
Bush was a consensus top 5 pick. He clearly had better stuff at that time than the other starting pitchers in that top 5 and was a real possibility as a starting shortstop. The real story is that at that time the Padres did not deal with Boras.
He also saved them a bunch of money. There were issues before the draft. Was a dissapointment from the beginning when he bit someone in a bar. Happy for him that he appears to have turned his life around, but a disaster of a draft for the Padres.
Among others
The Padres seem to be in desperation mode if they’re relying on Chacin and Weaver to help out in their rotation.
Ya think? They don’t want to start free agent clock or burn out whatever pitchers they have so it’s slop for few years
The vanity plate on his gold-plated BentleyMercedesFerrari should be RAGGARM