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Quick Hits: Judge, Betts, Nats, A’s, Pirates, Orioles

By Connor Byrne | July 16, 2017 at 10:09pm CDT

In Aaron Judge, the Yankees have a cornerstone right fielder. In Mookie Betts, the Red Sox have a cornerstone right fielder. The 6-foot-7, 272-pound Judge is radically different than the 5-9, 180-pound Betts, but the two American League All-Stars are among the majors’ premier players. To find out who’s the superior building block, Scott Lauber of ESPN.com polled two AL executives, three NL scouts and an AL scout. Each player ended up receiving three votes. One Judge supporter, an NL scout, said of the 25-year-old: “He has gotten shorter and quicker with his swing, more selective and disciplined. I understand that Dave Winfield has really helped him, as they are similarly tall and great athletes. Winfield talked to him about not striking out as much and thinking about RBIs, not home runs.” Meanwhile, an AL executive who prefers Betts, 24, reasoned:  “Given the track record of Betts and positional value that likely tracks better during the aging curve, I’d lean in his direction slightly. There’s clearly more upside in Judge if he keeps up this pace and retains such elite value for a longer term of control. But if I had to take one tomorrow, I’d take Betts.”

More reading material from around the majors as you contemplate Judge versus Betts:

  • The trade the Nationals and Athletics made on Sunday looks like a win-win, opines ESPN’s Keith Law (subscription required and recommended). In acquiring Ryan Madson and Sean Doolittle, the Nationals managed to land a pair of quality relievers who possess excellent control without giving up any of their absolute best prospects. On the other hand, Law writes that the rebuilding A’s cleared salary, got back a capable big league reliever in Blake Treinen and a couple promising young players, both of whom were high selections in the 2016 draft. Nineteen-year-old Jesus Luzardo, the 35th choice, had the upside of a No. 2 starter before undergoing Tommy John surgery a summer ago, per Law, who notes that the right-hander seems to be bouncing back well from the procedure. Infielder Sheldon Neuse, the 58th pick, boasts “an above-average hit tool and excellent instincts on both sides of the ball,” and could have a future in the middle infield (likely second base), at third base or at a combination of those positions.
  • Pittsburgh, which sits seven games back of NL Central-leading Milwaukee, will begin a four-game series with the Brewers on Monday. The outcome of that set could have a major impact on the Pirates’ deadline plans, general manager Neal Huntington acknowledged Sunday (via Bill Brink of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette). “Obviously an 0-4 changes the dynamic pretty significantly,” said Huntington. “We go 4-0, it changes the dynamic in a much more positive direction.” While Huntington’s focused on his team’s performance, his own future is murky, as the club still hasn’t exercised his option for 2018. “They’ve expressed interest in having us continue,” he revealed. “I’ve expressed interest in continuing. I’m sure at the appropriate time, we’ll get down to business and put something together.”
  • Major League Baseball’s deadline to sign draft picks this year was July 7, yet the Orioles didn’t ink 26th-rounder Cameron Bishop until Sunday, as Ken Rosenthal of MLB Network reported. While the Orioles submitted the deal (worth $605K) five minutes past the 5 p.m. ET deadline on the 7th, Bishop actually agreed to it on the 5th and passed a physical on the 6th, relays Rosenthal. With that in mind, the league determined that it would be unfair to punish the left-hander because of a delay by the O’s, so it signed off on the pact.
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45 Comments

  1. MB923

    8 years ago

    Don’t think you can go wrong with either player. But I think it’s great for baseball that we are seeing a rise in young stars in the game. I think I read somewhere over 1/4 the all stars this year were 25 or under.

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  2. BigPhan

    8 years ago

    The league deserves props for common sense. We are usually quick to point out the things the league does incorrectly. However, in the Bishop case, they made the right call. BTW, I’m a Phillies fan, not an O’s fan.

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    • Priggs89

      8 years ago

      I do think they made the right call for Bishop. That being said, I think the Orioles should get some sort of small fine or something. Really stupid of them

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      • empiresam

        8 years ago

        Reminds me of the early 80s when the Red Sox screwed up which allowed Carlton Fisk to become a free agent and necessitated their trading Lynn and Burleson before they too were declared free agents. Don’t know anything about this drafted player and whether he could have done better if he were a free agent. Anyone have any ideas on this and if the rules back in the day still apply? Or was his only other option to return to school?

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        • mstrchef13

          8 years ago

          If he used an agent to negotiate the contract, he would be ineligible for NCAA play. His only option would be to go play independent league baseball for a year.

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        • empiresam

          8 years ago

          Thanks but I don’t understand. If the team messed up, could he have gotten a better offer from another team as if he were from another country that is not subject to the draft?

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  3. RiverCatsFilms

    8 years ago

    Cornerstone? Guys batting .329 with more strikeouts than hits

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    • MB923

      8 years ago

      Way to also leave out the facts that he leads the league in OBP, Slugging , OPS, OPS+ , wRC+, and WAR.

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    • ottomatic

      8 years ago

      lol

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    • John Murray

      8 years ago

      I’m a Sox fan and I realize Judge is a cornerstone…dumb comment dude.

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      • thegreatcerealfamine

        8 years ago

        Just like Mookie for the Sox..RCF obviously a tool!

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  4. 66TheNumberOfTheBest

    8 years ago

    4-0 or 0-4, the plan should be to make an extension offer to Cutch (4 years, $72 million or so) and put his name out there if he turns it down. None of the contenders seems to have a glaring OF need, though, so he might have to be dealt in the winter.

    Either way, shop Gerrit Cole to every team in the league. The demand is there and, as a Boras guy, he won’t sign long term here.

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    • mafiabass

      8 years ago

      Cutch won’t be worth nearly that much over those four years. At most I’d pay him what he’s making now (isn’t that $14M)

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      • 66TheNumberOfTheBest

        8 years ago

        Cutch is essentially the only player who has off field value to the team. Worth a few extra million a year than he deserves on the field.

        Sure, start out with a 4 year $60 million offer…but go up to $72 M over 4, at most.

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        • Brian Graham

          8 years ago

          They won’t give him 4 years 60 million. Nobody else will either! He knows his value is not what it once was. Dude might get a 4 year deal worth 45 mil range. Cole….has two years of arbitration left. They will milk that. Cole needs resigned but not for anything more than 12 mil a year. Too inconsistent. Thinks he is AJ Burnett and can get pissed off and do better. Cept’ he does worse when mad.

          I dont see them making moves this summer….might move freese and jaso and watson but not much else.

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    • rc21pa

      8 years ago

      Wow trolls, changing your plans on cutch?

      A couple of weeks ago you where sending him out for a bag of balls now he’s one of your cornerstones again.

      Funny.

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  5. Priggs89

    8 years ago

    Judge vs. Betts. That’s a tough decision. I’d probably lean towards Mookie right now. He has been excellent for 4 years now. Judge has a ridiculous ceiling with the bat though.

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    • Bruin1012

      8 years ago

      Agreed I am a Red Sox fan so can’t be objective in this situation. Betts is a great all around player but Judge is something we haven’t seen he is massive he can hit 40 homers in his sleep. I’m really not sure what way to go Judge had one hell of a first half. Let’s see how he finishes it. Betts is a 6 war player even if he hits ok because of his defense and his base running.

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      • MB923

        8 years ago

        Well said. Can’t go wrong with either or. Betts obviously has a longer track record and is younger. Plays better D, but Judge has done excellent himself in the field

        Overall, as of now , I’d lean slightly with Mookie, though that’s due to the longer track record. Judge will probably finish with a 8-9 WAR and may even win MVP, but I think thats going to be difficult to repeat for a man of his size. The power is all there though. Speaking of Judge, I was sick and tired of ESPN constantly talking about him tonight. (And Karl Ravech who was the play by play host talking about him is a Red Sox fan too). I love Judge , but ESPN is turning him into Lebron, Brady and LaVar Ball.

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        • Bruin1012

          8 years ago

          Yes that’s just ESPN but Judge seems to have his on right hope it doesn’t go to his head. This should be an interesting few years.

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    • biasisrelitive

      8 years ago

      similar to troat vs Harper. judge had had that one great year but Betts had bean so good for so long

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      • MB923

        8 years ago

        Judge is also in his first Full year. We shall see how he does going forward. As of now, with a longer track record, I’d probably take Betts.

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  6. sacball

    8 years ago

    Someone with Sheldon Neuse’s draft pedigree should be in high A, not the Sally league, I’ll believe in his hit tool when he’s challenged a bit…here’s to hoping the A’s stick him right in Stockton

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    • STLCards33

      8 years ago

      I thought I read the nationals were about to promote him right before he was traded but they might have been talking about lizards

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  7. jdgoat

    8 years ago

    The Orioles are really turning into a laughing stock of an organization lately. Whether it be their refusal to sign international talent, their owners MASN dispute, and now this. I don’t know if it’s ignorance or just stupidity from the higher ups and Angelos, but something should change.

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    • mehs

      8 years ago

      How does fighting for TV rights make you a laughing stock? The Nationals are doing the exact same thing, Drop the Rays in CT and see how fast the Sox, Yanks and Mets lawyer up.

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      • jdgoat

        8 years ago

        Angelos is being greedy and wants the parts that he negotiated that don’t favor him thrown out, but not the stuff that he negotiated that does favor him. He’s a black eye on baseball

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        • mstrchef13

          8 years ago

          That’s an idiotic statement. There is only one ownership in MLB that would be considered a black eye, and that’s Loria. Was Angelos a black eye when the O’s had more wins than any team in baseball over a four year period? How is a legal argument over broadcast rights payments that 99.52% of baseball fans have never even heard about a black eye?

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        • jdgoat

          8 years ago

          I’m sure the MLB isn’t impressed about his decision to not sign international players. And from all accounts I’ve read, people think Angelos is in the wrong in the MASN deal. Not sure why you’re being so defensive of him lol

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  8. andm

    8 years ago

    Betts 4 good years. Runner up MVP. Stellar defense. Very smart baserunner. Very fast. Hits a good amount of HR’s. Can bat anywhere in the lineup.

    vs.

    Judge. Abysmal last season. Hit a lot of home runs the first half of this season. Plays half his games at the launch pad that is Yankee Stadium. We have all seen people have a good half or a good season hitting a ton of home runs only to regress to being an average or slightly above average player.

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    • xabial

      8 years ago

      Your bias is showing

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      • chino31

        8 years ago

        Bro, he’s hitting missiles. 25 of his 30 would be homers at the polo grounds.

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    • rocky7

      8 years ago

      Obviously a very jealous commentor. Get a life.

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    • sportsjunkie24

      8 years ago

      Red sox also have s short porch at fenway

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    • champions67

      8 years ago

      Judge had less than 100 PA last yrar and over 300 this year and has been much better. Leads the league in OBP , SLG and OPS and could just be handed his ROY and MVP trophies today

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  9. ReverieDays

    8 years ago

    Betts will age better.

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    • xabial

      8 years ago

      Mind explaining rationale behind this? I’m interested to know. Speed players tend to age worse than Power hitters. I think Judge’s power paint a better outlook for his future. Betts is young, and has many years ahead of him. I don’t even think Mookie is in his prime yet Lol.

      All things being equal, (injuries ) I think power hitters age better. We’re talking predicting these MVP players careers into their late 30’s. It’s almost impossible to do, but fun to think about

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  10. Bleeding Blue&Orange

    8 years ago

    Isn’t Luzardo a southpaw?

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  11. mike156

    8 years ago

    The good news on Betts/Judge is that MLB needs to see the emergence of new and appealing stars. The average age of a baseball fan is equal to Betts and Judge combined. That’s not quite up there with opera–but it’s far too close.

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  12. Philliesfan4life

    8 years ago

    Judge shouldn’t of entered the home run derby, he looks like he is starting to regress and come back to earth.

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      8 years ago

      That’s tired…next!

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    • MB923

      8 years ago

      Did you see his robbed HR yesterday by JBJ? It’s a 4 game sample dude. Gary Sanchez played in the derby and hit a HR the very next game. Cody Bellinger did and hit for the cycle on Saturday.

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    • Bruin1012

      8 years ago

      Judge will come back some in the second half not because of the home run derby but because he had .429 babip which is unsustainable even for someone who hits the ball as hard as Judge.

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  13. mafiabass

    8 years ago

    I love the Red Sox and would definitely take Betts because of that. However, Judge is a must-watch talent. I think someone like him being on the Yankees is good for baseball and for the Rivalry. Maybe someday they’ll talk about trading the two but the deal falls through because the Sox want another player thrown in… maybe a young catcher… that’d be pretty swet.

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  14. ryanh48

    8 years ago

    Betts vs Judge is incredibly tough. Can’t go wrong with either player, but I’d rather have Betts because he’s a better all around player

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