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MLBTR Mailbag: Lowrie, Bruce, Giants, Controllable Starters

By Jeff Todd | August 19, 2017 at 8:24am CDT

Thanks as always for your questions! If yours wasn’t selected this week, you can always pose it in one of our weekly chats: Steve Adams at 2pm CST on Tuesdays, Jason Martinez at 6:30pm CST on Wednesdays, and yours truly at 2pm CST on Thursdays.

Here are this week’s questions and answers:

Why is it so hard for the A’s to move Jed Lowrie? — Rene H.

Well, there has been a bit of a game of musical chairs in the second/third base market. The Red Sox went with Eduardo Nunez. The Nationals grabbed Howie Kendrick, who can also play outfield. The Brewers ended up with Neil Walker in August. Those deals filled some of the main needs out there, though there are at least a few teams that could still make a move. The Angels stand out; the Indians have looked in this area; and the Blue Jays could be a dark horse if they make a run.

But let’s suppose a few organizations are indeed still poking around on Lowrie. Those same teams will also have other options to consider. Ian Kinsler is now off the market after his waiver claim was revoked by the Tigers. But Brandon Phillips and Zack Cozart are both pending free agents who could move. Yangervis Solarte may not clear waivers, but could be claimed and pursued. And Asdrubal Cabrera also represents a possibility.

Cabrera, like Lowrie, comes with a club option for 2018. In Lowrie’s case, it’s just a $6MM cost to keep him (against a $1MM buyout). He has surely played well enough to make that a decent asset to move over the winter. And perhaps Oakland isn’t all that anxious to press Franklin Barreto into everyday duty in the majors just yet. After all, he’s only 21, didn’t hit much in his brief debut, and has encountered a rising strikeout rate at Triple-A. Lowrie could help stabilize the infield the rest of the way or even in 2018, or he could still be flipped if a decent offer comes along.

How do you guys see the [free-agent] market for Jay Bruce developing? I have a hard time believing that a 30/31-year-old who has six seasons where he OPSed over .800 would have trouble locking down a fourth year at a $13MM AAV. — Alex W.

As Alex helpfully pointed out in his email, there are indeed quite a few corner outfielders that have landed free-agent contracts in that range. Recent deals that could work as comparables run from Nick Markakis (4/$44MM) and Josh Reddick (4/$52MM) up to Nick Swisher (4/$56MM) and Curtis Granderson (4/$60MM). Bruce is a plausible candidate to land in that general realm.

I do think Bruce is flying under the radar a bit, given the obvious appeal of his quality offensive output this year — .267/.334/.541 with 32 homers. It doesn’t hurt that he has turned things on thus far since going to the Indians, has finally reversed the abysmal defensive metrics, and is regarded as a top-shelf professional. The two lost seasons of 2014 and 2015 are hard to ignore entirely, and he has never hit lefties nearly so much as righties, but he has returned to his prior trajectory since and has been average at the plate when facing southpaws this season. Plus, there won’t be any draft compensation to contend with.

But where exactly he falls, and whether he gets a fourth year or instead takes a higher AAV over three, will depend upon market forces. J.D. Martinez and Justin Upton (if he opts out) would be the two top corner outfielders, but both are righty bats that would require very significant contracts. Granderson and Melky Cabrera will present alternatives for teams seeking lefty pop, but neither has quite Bruce’s present power and both are much older. All things considered, Bruce should be fairly well positioned.

I’m wondering if the Giants’ plan to re-tool, rather than rebuild, has a reasonable chance of success. Does SF have only two or three spots, like one outfielder and two pitchers, that will make the difference in being competitive? Or will the re-tooling need to involve more spots on the roster, like two outfielders, maybe an infielder (third base), and three or four pitchers? And are there players available in free-agency for them to do that? — Tim D.

Let’s start with the presumption that Johnny Cueto opts into the remainder of his deal. That would fill one of the rotation slots but also keeps a lot of cash on the books — over $150MM total already for 2018, with more than $100MM promised in each of the next two seasons. And the club will also have to consider what it’ll cost to keep Madison Bumgarner around past 2019.

Looking over the roster — see the current depth chart here — the Giants will face questions in a variety of areas. Third base is unresolved, the team needs at least one starting outfielder (a center-field-capable player would perhaps be preferred, bumping Denard Span to left), and several bench/platoon roles are open to question. The team will likely at least look into adding a starter, though it could choose instead to go with Matt Moore along with Ty Blach or another less-established pitcher to line up behind Cueto, Bumgarner, and Jeff Samardzija. Bullpens can always be improved, though the Giants can hope for a bounceback from Mark Melancon and continued performance from reclamation hit Sam Dyson in the late innings.

On the whole, then, perhaps a more dramatic roster overhaul isn’t really needed. Assuming the club is willing to spend up to, but not past, the $180MM-ish payroll it carried entering the current season, that leaves some room to add. But the long-term commitments and 2017 downturns certainly also speak in favor of exercising some caution. I’d expect a focus on striking shorter-term deals with veterans.

Possibilities at third could include Pablo Sandoval, Todd Frazier, and Yunel Escobar, or the Giants could go bigger and chase the still-youthful Mike Moustakas. In the outfield, Lorenzo Cain would be the top center-field target, though he’ll be entering his age-32 season and won’t be cheap. There are some interesting alternatives, including Carlos Gomez, Jon Jay, and Jarrod Dyson. It’s also possible the Giants could chase Bruce or another corner piece while adding a player like Austin Jackson to platoon with Span in center. And as ever, there are lots of different pitchers available at different price points should they look to add there.

Ultimately, there ought to be decent value available in the price range the Giants will be shopping. Whether that’ll work out or not … well, that’s dependent upon quite a few other factors and is tough to predict at this point.

Which young, controllable starters (like Chris Archer, for example) will potentially be available via trade this upcoming offseason? –Matt H.

Archer is certainly a good example of a guy who could be available and who’ll be asked about quite a lot. Depending upon how things end up for the Rays this year — currently, it’s not trending in the right direction — they may be more or less inclined to undertake a more dramatic move such as dealing the staff ace.

Generally, though, I’d expect the pickings to be slim. Several teams that sit in the bottom of the standings and have young arms don’t seem likely to move them. For instance, I don’t really expect the Mets (Jacob deGrom, Noah Syndergaard, Steven Matz, etc.), Blue Jays (Marcus Stroman, Aaron Sanchez), or Phillies (Aaron Nola, Jerad Eickhoff, Vince Velasquez) to be looking to deal young starters.

There are a few other names to watch, though. Michael Fulmer of the Tigers would figure to draw some of the most fervent interest, and Detroit has to be thinking creatively entering an offseason full of questions. The Pirates could decide that now’s the time to move Gerrit Cole, though he’ll only have two years of control remaining so may not really meet the parameters. Julio Teheran of the Braves will surely again be a topic of speculation, at least, and the Marlins will have to consider cashing in Dan Straily.

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  1. jd396

    8 years ago

    I don’t think the Giants can spend their way out of their hole, and I think a little too much has to go right for their current roster to really compete again.

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    • Jean Matrac

      8 years ago

      I didn’t see anything in Jeff’s response that suggested they should or would spend their way into contention. Moustakas and Lorenzo Cain were the only somewhat expensive players suggested. Rather than thinking a whole lot has to go right next year, I think a whole lot when wrong this year. Other than the pitchers, this is the same team that won the WS in 2014, and it’s not much changed from the 2012 team either.

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  2. Pax vobiscum

    8 years ago

    The Phillies should approach the off-season like a seller in a giant tent sale.

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    • Caseys Partner

      8 years ago

      I totally disagree with the assertion by Jeff Todd that the Phillies would not deal any of those three pitchers. In fact, Aaron Nola is the only one of those three that the Phillies would need to pause and think about.

      If some team really likes Nola and is willing to pay in top 100 prospects that the Phillies like then I would be willing to deal Nola.

      I don’t see any reason whatsoever to want to hold onto Eickhoff. A couple of A-ball pitchers with big arms and high bullpen floors and Eickhoff is gone.

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      • Pax vobiscum

        8 years ago

        Absolutely correct.

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      • Jeff Todd

        8 years ago

        Well, I didn’t say “would not,” I just said I don’t expect them to be especially interested in doing so. They need to fill out the rotation in the near-term and have affordable depth around when they really make a push. I doubt any of the three are off-limits, but why would they just punt on four cheap, non-committed years of a solid pitcher like Eickhoff? They’d end up hoping to find that kind of production from a much more expensive, older veteran via free agency.

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        • Caseys Partner

          8 years ago

          “but why would they just punt on four cheap, non-committed years of a solid pitcher like Eickhoff? ”

          Unlike Nola, Nick Pivetta and Velasquez (in that order) Eickhoff does not have any ceiling to rise up to. He is what he is and that isn’t very good. Eickhoff is a solid innings eating fifth starter who doesn’t make any money.

          The Phillies have some very good pitching talent on their farm including a couple of pitchers with top-of-the-rotation talent and a lot of pitchers who have Eickhoff ability.

          The Phillies have so much room on their payroll looking at the 2019 season that dropping $30 – $35 million on a one year deal for a starting pitcher from the 2018 class is highly feasible after signing Harper and Machado.

          Signing a starter for that money would be to cover up a major disappointment in their pitching talent chain.

          Turning Eickhoff into a couple of solid bullpen prospects for 2019 or 2020 is a better idea than holding onto him when the Phillies best recourse is to finish with the worst record in MLB and boost their position and pool money in the MLB DRaft.

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  3. jimmertee

    8 years ago

    For the Jays, even though Aaron Sanchez wants to start, I don’t think he will for a while. For what I hear, the blister issue isn’t resolved. The finger is healing but the issue still remains. He will likely be a reliever for a bit to see the effect of lower innings on that finger. It’s to bad, because he is an elite #1 type starter type. Perhaps trade him, because there is always a team that think they can fix the problem and have themselves a great acquisition. I bet the Jays could acquire a haul of elite but not quite ready prospects too.

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    • Priggs89

      8 years ago

      I’m curious as to why you think he can be an “elite #1 type starter.” I don’t see anything in his numbers throughout his career that would suggest anything close to Kershaw/Sale/Scherzer territory.

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      • jimmertee

        8 years ago

        Huh? Really? In Aaron Sanchez’s only year of fulltime starting he was 15-2, 192 innings, Era 3.00 [won title], whip 1.167, 7.5 So/9, war 4.9, and he is still learning. He is only 25 and power guys, especially power sinker guys can mature late. Once the blister thing is fixed this guy is going to be a money pitcher. That is not based on numbers, that is based on my scouting background and what I see him doing in the future. There would be a lineup of teams to trade for this guy.

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        • myaccount

          8 years ago

          A lineup of teams doesn’t mean he equates to elite level. There also would be a lineup of teams for a controllable number 3 starter, if marketed.

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        • jimmertee

          8 years ago

          There would be a lineup of teams because their scouts see what I see, Sanchez is an ace in the making, a #1 starter.

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  4. HaloShane

    8 years ago

    Ian Kinsler would have been a perfect fit for the Angels. 35 years old and declining. Come on Angels, when will you pull your head out? Thank goodness Kinsler off the market after his waiver claim.

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    • angelsfan4life

      8 years ago

      The Angels and Tigers couldn’t reach a deal. That is why they pull him back off of trade waivers.

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      • old ranger

        8 years ago

        Low tie makes more sense for the Angels. Since he kills them sign him. Good steady glad be and bat would be great in their multidimensional system.

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  5. Ken M.

    8 years ago

    Jed Lowrie has provided 2.7 fWAR over his 3 year 23M contract. That, so far, has equaled $21.8M in value. Probably about $23M right at the end of the contract.

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  6. jayceincase

    8 years ago

    Jay Bruce should surely be able to sign a 4 year deal. His favorite road park has been Citizens Bank and the Phillies could use a productive veteran. Put him in right with Williams in left and Hoskins at first. See ya later Tommy Joseph.

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    • Caseys Partner

      8 years ago

      RF on the Phillies is reserved for Bryce Harper.

      3B and SS are reserved for Manny Machado.

      In June 2019 Bryce Harper and Manny Machado will be in the Phillies starting lineup and the Phillies will be picking first in the June MLB Draft.

      THAT is what a successful Phillies rebuild looks like.

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      • jimmertee

        8 years ago

        The Yankees and a few other clubs might have some interest in those 2 players…

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        • Caseys Partner

          8 years ago

          Yeah, but unlike the Phillies they don’t have the ability to add $140 million per year to their payroll in one winter.

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        • Jean Matrac

          8 years ago

          There are several teams that have the ability of going way over the tax threshold. Look at how many years the Dodgers have been north of $200mm in salary. Plenty of teams would see either Harper or Machado worth the luxury tax they’d have to pay. The odds of signing one of them isn’t a sure bet. The odds of signing both are extremely long, and I’d be willing to bet against that

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      • thegreatcerealfamine

        8 years ago

        LOL…………here comes the gut punch…..

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      • Philliesfan4life

        8 years ago

        That would be insane if that happened, the phillies would be back on top of the nl east once again.

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  7. natsrockbryce1

    8 years ago

    Lowrie would be good for nats because of Harper injury turner at cf Kendrick at Lf and Taylor at rf and lowrie at ss

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  8. Gary Rogers

    8 years ago

    Braves should sign (FA) Lance Lynn,resign B.Phillips to play 3B and trade with Pirates /////////////////I.Anderson,Blair,Weigel, Riley,Demeritte and Seymour FOR Cole,O.Cruz and Santana. 2018 pitch staff Lynn-Cole-Folty-Newcombe-Teheran

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