MLBTR’s Kyle Downing recently rounded up everything we have learned this offseason about the Marlins’ marketing of star slugger Giancarlo Stanton. But there have been developments over the past few days … some of which are in some tension, perhaps reflecting different viewpoints from the actors involved in the high-stakes negotiations.
- Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch explains that if the two sides get close to a deal, the Marlins could grant the Cardinals an exclusive negotiation window of roughly 48 to 72 hours to make a pitch directly to Stanton. While MLB clubs are typically forbidden from talking to players that are under contract with another team, Goold confirmed with MLB officials that the Marlins could designate a window to “convince a player to waive his no-trade (clause) without contract modification.”
- Meanwhile, Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald reports that the Marlins told Stanton back in October that if he declined to ultimately approve a deal, the Marlins would have to explore other ways to shed salary, which could leave him as the lone star on a roster devoid of other top-tier talent. The scenario wasn’t presented to Stanton as an ultimatum, Spencer stresses, but it does underscore the possibility that the Marlins could eventually pivot and market less challenging stars, including Marcell Ozuna and Christian Yelich.
- The Red Sox are an “extreme long shot” to acquire Stanton, a source tells Evan Drellich of NBC Sports Boston. It seems that Boston is not enamored of the current value proposition that a Stanton acquisition would represent, given the Marlins’ asking price.
Earlier Updates
- Yesterday, we heard indications both that Stanton had informed the Marlins of where he’d approve a trade and that there was a general expectation that resolution could be in sight. But the latest report, a subscription piece from Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic, has a different twist on those themes. Rosenthal explains that a deal may not come together quite as promptly as might have been expected, writing that both Stanton and the team can afford some patience. Notably, per the report, that’s reflected in Stanton’s stance on his full no-trade rights. Per Rosenthal, Stanton hasn’t simply given Miami a list of yays or nays; rather, he has told them of his “preferences” but would like to know the “overall plans” of a potential acquiring team before approving or nixing any move.
- We already know that the Giants and Cardinals have made initial proposals to the Marlins for Stanton. One other team is “engaged” with the Marlins on Stanton, says Rosenthal, with the Red Sox believed to be the last member of that trio. That said, Boston was only recently reported to have only “tepid” interest in Stanton.
- Per Rosenthal, there are another three unknown organizations “on the periphery.” But there’s still no clear indication of what other teams may be loitering around the edges of the Stanton market. Speculation has rather naturally centered upon the Dodgers, given Stanton’s strong ties to Los Angeles. As ESPN.com’s Buster Olney recently wrote (subscription link), Stanton has every right to stand on any personal preference — if, say, he’s mostly interested in playing for the Dodgers. Then again, as Bob Nightengale of USA Today reminds us on Twitter, the L.A. brass has given rather strong signals that it isn’t looking to add that kind of contractual commitment. In his piece, Rosenthal wonders whether there are some ways around that stance, though none seem to be particularly feasible and clear connections between the organizations are lacking at present.
- The Dodgers were among the teams we identified a few weeks back as being good fits on paper, though of course there are also cases to be made for quite a few more, as we explored in detail. That post is still worth a read if you haven’t checked it out yet. Those looking for more information on the game’s most interesting trade candidate should also give a look at this Statcast-based assessment from MLB.com’s Mike Petriello, who examines how Stanton’s homer tally might be impacted by a new home ballpark.
This is starting to bore me.
Exactly, how about letting us know when there are new developments, and save the rehashing of the same information.
Crap or get off the pot.
Winter meetings haven’t even started. Lol
Welcome to the club. At least something should happen on this front before the winter meetings. Hopefully that opens things up and the signings run rampant afterward.
Yes. Im not sure there needs to be a daily update on this. Doesn’t seem to be much traction.
AGREED!!!!
MLB TRADERUMORS not MLB Transactions. There’s other sites if you don’t like this one. If you only want to read about transactions, go to ESPN transactions.
Ewww ESPN
lol ok anywhere else with transactions then haha
Anyway, if you don’t like the article, just scroll past it. I do it with a lot of articles they post.
This
EXACTLY THIS
^^^Absolutely without a doubt this^^^
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^absolutely undoubtedly unequivocally this^
Whats the new rumor then? Same old same old to create page views for ad revenue. Oh mlbtr is much more than trade rumors.
Wake me when it’s over.
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You said it sister. This deal is all 6’s and 3’s.
You gotta bear with it brother. once stanton fall the other cards will fall…hopefully to the cards. lol
If you’re so not interested maybe you should not be posting here. Just a suggestion.
No.
Wait, Santa isn’t real?!
Over and over and over?
I feel that Stanton will not come to the Cardinals unles they prove to him there are going to be at least 2-3 more top tiered player brought into the organization before he’d sign with the Cardinals. Or, that some of his teammates he’s close to, come with him such as Yelich as Dee Gordon. Even a conformation that Abreau would be added won’t entice him to come to St. Louis knowing he has a strong hitter either in front or behind him. Maris saw a lot of good pitches to hit with Mantle behind him when Maris came to the Yankees. Same principle.
No one has been signed or traded because everyone’s waiting on Stanton
Well, it’s also still really early in the off-season. The lack of activity so far is normal. It would be unusual if there were a bunch of moves already.
But spring training is only three months away.
No it isn’t, by this time in November of last year we had 12 MLB free agents sign and 23 MLB players traded. This isn’t including anything after the 28th nor minor league players.
Generally by now a couple major signings have happened and major trades, then a cool of period and then the winter meetings it gets crazy again and we are left with a couple Boras guys that either sign some ridiculous contract no one thought was left out there and/or a pillow contract with a big 1 year salary some time in Jan/Feb.
Like I said, all of that activity in November isn’t the norm. That amount of moves in November is unusual. December is when the stove is the hottest.
That and Ohtani.
What can Ohtani have to do from FA signings? The guy only costs a team’s International bonus pool, not FA dollars.
It’s just slow because we haven’t hit the Winter Meetings.
C’mon man. Of course he can hold up the market. If you land him, you don’t need one of the top free agent domestic pitchers, or maybe a DH/OF. He’s one of the top players available, and can hold it up because big spending teams that could be in on Darvish/Arrieta etc. are looking at him too.
Also, if you think that he’s going to play two/three years at the minimum, and then three or four through arb and not sign a gigantic contract right around the beginning of the season you’re kidding yourself.
There is also the 20million by the team has to pay the Japan team they will have to budget for that.
20 million ? So a day of beer sales at wrigley?
Not really the 20 M is doled out in separate payments. It’s not one lump sum.
Yeah once this Stanton trade and Ohtani sign then the flood gates should open
I get the feeling that just when it seems like there’s an impasse with the whole situation, the famed mystery team will come in and strike a deal.
Mystery team is more of a Boras strategy to drive up the price for his clients
Ha! So true. The mystery team always is associated with Boras clients.
Samardzija, Shields and Headley aren’t Boras clients
Stanton might be traded? Wow! That’s the first I’ve heard of that.
If the Dodgers are wary of the 10 yr/295M amount, I wonder if there’s some way to make a deal where Stanton’s contract just mutually becomes voided with the understanding that he’ll sign a long term deal with the Dodgers that they’re willing to pay (less than 10/295). Marlins save a lot of money, Dodgers land him for a cheaper price, Stanton goes to where he wants to go and still makes a lot of money. Everybody wins. Is something like that even possible?
The Dodgers are always looking to pinch pennies
Or hundreds of millions. One of those.
Brock and a couple of the fellas seem down today. Here’s a penny joke i tell my grandkids to liven the mood.
Q: What did one penny say to the other penny?
A: We make cents together!
Maybe that could be the pitch to stanton lol
He isn’t taking less to play anywhere! Unless you count the state tax he would now have to pay going to a Cali team!
The CBA doesn’t allow a player to negotiate down a guaranteed deal and I’m not sure why Stanton would want to take less than he can get now by doing nothing.
I guess if the CBA doesn’t allow it then yeah it can’t happen, but idk I’d much rather make $200M playing for my hometown team and winning championships than make $300M playing for a perennially noncontending team where I’m obviously not happy.
Not happening!!! Nobody gives money back…..EVER! Do you remember when Arod tried to do that to facilitate a trade from Texas to Boston?? The union wouldn’t even consider allowing it!
You must also believe world peace is possible and Santa is real!! 🙂
1) (Metta) World Peace is now the name of a human being, and as a living person he is possible.
2) Please, everyone knows that Santa isn’t real. He’s a story made up by the government to try to combat the negativity spread by the Grinch during the Cold War (as the Grinch was actually a Russian spy sent to dampen American spirits).
And that the Mets are the UTR team with the inside track.
I guess he could agree to exercise his opt out and sign a new contract …but who knows
still, i imagine ANYTHING that involves him taking LESS money would be met with huge resistance from the union. Remember when Arod was supposed to go to the red sox?
In a word, no. The MLBPA would never, repeat, never, repeat, never permit a player or a team to be party to terminating a contract in order to sign a new one for less money. The most they’d let them do is something like the deal Bobby Bonilla had with the Mets where the team continued to pay him a million a year for however many years it was after he retired. But even in that event the total amount paid to the player would have to include interest on the unpaid balance.
That is exactly what the Red Sox tried when they agreed with the Rangers on a trade for ARod. Both teams, and ARod himself, approved the trade, but the Player’s Union blocked it, as they have the power to do. The Union was not going to let any player take less money than what his current contract called for. The Union would block any agreement for Stanton that paid him less than 10/295.
I wish my union were that effective. All they seem to do is take my dues and f up my pension.
The Red Sox tried that with A Rod in 2009 and it was not allowed.
You member when A-Rod tried to do this with the red Sox? Players union won’t let it happen, sets a bad precedent.
Not possible. Players association would never permit it
Teams looking to acquire Stanton need to be more forceful. I understand the Marlins hold most of the cards, but they don’t hold all the cards. Leverage works both ways, particularly in going up against Jeter’s untested ownership group with big ideas to shed payroll. Here’s hoping the tire-kicking is about done. .
Hi Vin. You should not have gone on with that big pregame production in the WS. Then again Joc should never have ran around the bases like a d-bag. It’s the little things. Jus sayin.
I have no idea what your comment means, but the pre-game World Series appearance by Vin Scully was absolutely well done in all regards.. If you can’t appreciate Vin, you ain’t no ball fan.
The Marlin’s leverage is smoke in mirrors: they publicly want to move Stanton, Stanton publicly wants to be moved. Where is there leverage?? The Marlins new FO has been begging for suitors, hence all the non-news stories. They can’t afford to move his contract.
This is just false. The Marlins new FO has said nothing of the sort and even Stanton hasn’t said flat out he wants to be moved. The Marlins can save the equivalent of Stanton’s 2018 salary in any number of ways, and trade Stanton mid-season or next year. They hold all the leverage.
Uhm, no it isn’t. The “What We Know…” article cites Stanton “made it well-known that he isn’t interested in being around for a rebuild. The slugger’s desire to leave Miami could result in him approving a trade he’s not thrilled about just to play for a contender.” This paired with the expert-opinions that his $295/10 contract is just about market value (with a yucky full no-trade and option), where do the Marlin’s have leverage without eating into the contract?
If they can save $30MM/year in addition to moving Stanton’s massive contract they will, but that has no impact on this trade negotiation. SF/BoSox dun’t care about Miami’s books…
Then why are the Fish collecting a list of the teams that Stanton will consider being traded to? To invite them to Jeter’s next birthday party?
Simon….Stanton did say that “He Didn’t want to be around for a rebuild”…..But he also had said that “His 1st Choice would be to Play In Miami For His Whole Career” (but he said that in the context of them being a contending team).
Marlins could simply move Prado & Zeigler…..and save almost Stanton’s entire salary. If trading Ozuna brought back a decent pitcher for the rotation….the Marlins would still have most of their core, and NOT be in a Rebuild.
But Even MORE interesting……….is that The marlins have started “advertising” that they are looking for additional Partners, if they have $250 Million to invest. Hmmmmmmm…………….
Maybe……Just Maybe…….part of that 250M will go towards “adding a few key pieces”…..and the Marlins Keep Everyone Around for 3 more years, then Stanton Opts-Out. Here’s how they pay Stanton for 3 years…..
2018 – Lose Prado & Zeigler = $22.5 Mil saved
2019 – Prado’s missing salary & Volquez is a FA = $28.0 Mil saved
2020 – Trade Chen = $24.6 Mil saved
That adds up to a total of $75.1 Mil of his $77 Mil owed.
Ok but the major flaw in your assumption is even in a deep deep deep 3b market someone is going to take Prado’s salary. That’s extremely extremely unrealistic. Ziegler sure I can see, but you’re betting on them moving at least two unrealistic unloveable contracts with no money eaten.
*unrealistically unmovable.
Why would anyone trade for Chen when he is not even supposed to pitch in 2018? no one would take on that contract for an injured pitcher who might never pitch again
How deep is the 3B market? The three best free agents are Moustakas, Frazier, and Nunez. Moustakas is going to cost an arm and a leg. Frazier might not but he figures to get more than the 2 years and $28.5 million Prado is getting. And Nunez is more a utility player.
There are a few players who could be available in a trade but Yangervis Solarte has never had a season above 2.2 WAR.
Frankly, I don’t see the market as that deep.
Prado has a few things going for him. He was a 3-4 WAR player before getting hurt. Two years is a great contract length. It’s not a long term commitment but if he’s pretty good you have him back. He can play multiple positions. Prado will probably cost you very little in prospects and the Marlins might be willing to pick up $5 million a year on his deal. That’d reduce their payroll by $8.5 million.
Take the Red Sox. They’re worried about Pedroia not being healthy and maybe Devers shows he needs more time in AAA. Unlike free agents you wouldn’t need to promise Prado playing time. He’d probably just be happy not being in Miami. At the right salary he’s great insurance.
I think the point you’re missing is supply v demand. There aren’t very many contending teams in “need of a complimentary 3b,” to take on 8M and then 15M in 19 as you stated. Especially with as you mentioned Moose, Frazier, Nunez on the FA market. Solarte, possibly Suarez, and other more attractive impact options quite possibly available at the deadline.
The key word is he played multiple positions. As in he’s a 34 year old, coming back from knee surgery and you’d have to be judicious, who hasn’t played anything other than third in two years. So you’re not acquiring him honestly believing he can play up the middle.
Solarte is a late bloomer it’s been well documented. He had a 2.5 WAR is 16, but you also failed to mention he didn’t hit a 3 WAR, as WAR is a counting stat, because dude lost he wife. He battled through injuries and bounced around in 17. Would I rather have Solarte or Prado at this point in their career, give me Solarte.
Final verdict which contending team is in dire need of a complimentary 3b coming of off injury/surgery? There aren’t unless the Marlins eat a majority of that contract. But that doesn’t fit into your calculations. There are so many things working against the fish trying to trade Prado. He was an extremely versatile player when he was younger, but he’s now kind of relegated to the corner inf, with little power to fit that profile. I do believe they might be able to get someone to bite on Ziegler. But Prado’s contract just isn’t easily dumped especially on those teams close to or over the luxury tax. They aren’t going to be able to move Prado’s and/or Chen. Can they keep Gincarlo? Yes they can theoretically but if their big intention is to shed salary well then Gordon, Yelich, and Ozuna fall about 17 mill short of their intentions. Ultimately knowing what we know if Prado were an FA no one is shelling out 23 over 2 for him.
Vin the Marlins have no leverage against other teams
Just wait until Harper hits the market, talk about a feeding frenzy!
This could last until next year’s trade deadline. Wonderful news Beeks wonderful news.
Yaaaaaawn
I’ve also got the tuesday morning yawns. thanks for sharing friend.
I still think that at the end of the day the Marlins are still his 30th preference. I really don’t think he’ll ultimately choose to nix a deal if it means he’s going to stay with the Marlins for another year.
Dude loves Miami and just bought a new place. He’s not dying to leave at all, just wants to play for a winner. Which eliminates about half MLB teams.
Yay, he should come to Cleveland then!
Cleveland can not afford him str8 up
Even if he’d go to Cleveland… don’t know why anyone would do that
Because they are a year removed from the AL pennant and still set up well long term
Yes he should play for the Browns, he’s a beast. Couldn’t hurt that team.
He’ll choose the Marlins over the Tigers, Padres, Reds or Phillies.
I agree
Unless the padres were about to explode
“We will do Giancarlo Stanton for Shohei Ohtani straight up.”
– Derek Jeter
I didn’t know this was an option?! The fish could dump that salary and get the japaneese babe ruth in return. that would make the new owners happier than a fish in water lol
Get rid of that eye sore first then worry about anything else
Sorry, it looks like they plan on keeping Michael Hill.
Mean, but awesome
LOL!
All those clowns on MLB network are clueless where Stanton will go. Just drivel.
There has to be something else you guys can do besides reiterate the same bs every single day… If Onley says something one day, and Rosenthal repeats it the next, it’s not new information
It should be Stanton updates every Sunday
I’m a Cardinals fan…and this whole scenario is getting very boring…the Cards land him great, if we don’t…meh…move on. I’m guessing a big market team on the coast will get him anyway.
They won’t land him
He’ll probably would only sign off on SoCal teams only
So that leaves la and oc
Bc the padres are rebuilding and would be stupid to give up prospects for him
stanton won’t go anywhere. he’s probably in miami until he opts out. he may not even opt out when the time comes. then he might get traded.
I would bet against that.
Stanton’s contract is good enough for several life times over
Just stay in that contract
Be the face of a team
i doubt he ops out. When the time comes, he will still have 7/218 left on his contact. I can’t see him doing better than that on the open market unless he is literally god for the next three seasons…and even then i think the age would be offputting to most GMs
huge deals to old guys are going to become more and more rare i think.
For sure he won’t opt out if he experiences a decline over the next three years. If that happens his lucky contract holder could be looking at over $200m in dead money.
Juan Gonzalez is the most similar player to Stanton at his current age. He had 11 WAR in ages 28-30. Then he had 4.4 WAR at age 31. He had 2.3 WAR from ages 32-34 and then was out of baseball. Any team willing to give Stanton $218 million from ages 31 to 37 will be crazy.
Forget age, forget WAR, forget all that stuff. Just know if he goes downhill for any reason, he’s a lock to take the money and walk, or limp, or whatever he can still do.
Juan Gonzalez wasn’t near the True Power Hitter that Stanton is. He was very good and had good power, but he came into the spotlight at the beginning of the Steroid Era….and hit most of his HR’s right in the middle of it.
Even with that, He played 17 Seasons and hit 434 HR’s (7155 AB’s)
Stanton has played 8 Seasons and he has 267 HR’s (3577 AB’s)
And if he stays Healthy……..He could MASH another 400+ HR’s over the next 10 years, especially if he ends up at a Hitter’s Park.
He JUST turned 28……He’s not “an older player”
What is a true power hitter? Gonzalez hit 40 homers 4 times through age 27 and Stanton has done it once. Adam Dunn had a ton of power and he was finished at 34. Manny Ramirez had one very good season after age 34.
I have few doubts that Gonzalez took Roids…..it was the rage……everyone was doing it……even Brady Anderson hit 50 HR’s during that time (’96 – Juan’s best season)……Brady only hit more than 20 HR’s in a season 2 other times in a 15 year career………………..Roid Up Dude!……………….LOL
Lets talk about exit velocity and distance.
Let’s talk about low trajectory balls that travel 420+ feet.
Let’s talk about bullets that break scoreboards.
Juan had power, for sure. I just think “He Had Some Help”….
If Stanton was smart he would accept a trade to St. Louis. Always been known to be rich in pitching, always draft well, draws over 3 million fans every year and has a billion dollar tv deal now. Not to mention is Baseball Heaven!!!
LOL. It’s the Cardinal way! How could he possibly resist!
Damn right
Who doesn’t have a billion dollar market deal outside of Florida?
I think even the padres deal is over a billion for the life of contract
Somehow I think “how big is their TV deal” is the least of Giancarlo’s concerns.
I’m saying that that will help to compete every year even more. Hater
Hey, I’m a Cards fan but this is so cringe worthy. Sure baseball is great in STL but when you can afford basically anything you want, St. Louis doesn’t exactly have the same amenities or high end housing as LA or SF. He’s going to make the same amount of money (aside from taxes) wherever he goes. LA has a great team, great attendance, great weather, an ocean, etc.. I’d rather go there too.
Terrible congested traffic, smog, high crime, rising ocean, terrible forest fires, etc.
And I live on the west coast!
I wonder why people don’t like cardinal fans
Because Success brings Hatred
Exactly!
Then why do people hate the marlins?
How profound. Great research and analytics. Of course the same silly comment can be made of your team, that is if you have one.
Research? Coming from you. Climb back under your rock troll, nobody likes your moronic posts on here
With an identity like Dipoto we all know where your head is at. The crickets in your apartment are louder and more encouraging than the fans supporting your team.
So when you click on your app learn that it is named MLB Trade Rumors, not:
“Twisting my analytics”
“Self proclaimed MLB expert”
“GM for a moment”
Site should change name to “giancarlostantonrumors.com”
Well put
What will mike Stanton do today ?
Nothing lol
He hasn’t been called “Mike” for a while now. You should check in with MLBTR more often…
Phillies
Do I need to stay awake today?
I love how nobody has a clue what they are talking about yet keep writing articles about it. Don’t post crap post facts.
Ken Rosenthal now reporting that Giancarlo will refuse any trade that is not to a baseball team.
I think Otani (going to the Yankees) will be the first domino.
Each off season there is a new buzz phrase. This is the year of the “first domino”
I’ve heard that phrase in at least a season or two in the past.
This is totally off subject, but most of you guys seem bored with Stanton talk anyway. I just found out Domingo Ayala’s real identity and my world is forever changed. Maybe I’m late to this information, but his real name is Bryan Resnick, former college and Indy ball player from CA.
Rosenthal ought to write for the Enquirer.
I would not be surprised if the Phillies turn out to be one of the mystery teams. They have the prospects, they have the budget room, and they have had previous interest.
Why would he approve a trade there? He wants to go to a contender.
Because they aren’t far from being contenders. They are actually on the right track.
Andy MacPhail is risk adverse. No way he’d take on that contract.
Cole Hamels blocked a trade to the Astros 3 summers ago when they had the division lead. If that doesn’t count as being a contender, the situation the Phillies are in right now certainly doesn’t.
I never said they were contenders. I said they aren’t far from contending. I also said they are on the right track. If Hamels had approved that trade, he’d have a 2017 World Series ring around his finger right now.
My point stands that if the Astros weren’t worth accepting a trade to at that point then there’s no way the Phillies are worth accepting a trade to right now.
You’re comparing the personal feelings of two players as if they are fact. For all we know, Hamels didn’t want to go to Texas (he couldnt block the Rangers)
He claims he blocked the trade because he wanted to stick to his no-trade list and the Astros were on it. But it later came out that he would have been willing to accept a trade to the Red Sox (who were also on his no-trade list) so clearly that was b.s. I think that at the time, even though they were emerging from their rebuild, players still saw them as the team that just lost 100 games 3 years in a row.
Anyway, the Phillies aren’t a contender and don’t even seem to be on the cusp of becoming one at this time. So given that Stanton doesn’t want to be part of a rebuld, I don’t see him approving a trade to Philly.
The Dodgers could offer Adrian Gonzalez, Andrew Toles, Charlie Culbertson and Walker Buhler for Stanton and that horrible contract I say pull the trigger.
Gonzo says I’m not waiving my NTC. Culberson is a probably a 40 man casualty. Toles is a role player who is a platoon guy. And you’re now adding trading your best player who could make difference down the stretch next year and taking on the whole contract that will handcuff your whole off season season. Makes no sense for either team in reality.
I’ve seen a few posts saying the Marlins have leverage with the option to just hang on to Stanton. The problem with that is Stanton’s value is high, at least as a player, even if there’s little or no surplus value. Were he to stay in Miami he could get injured and then he’d have huge negative value. And if he was injured seriously enough, the Marlins could be stuck with the entire contract. There is risk for the acquiring team as well, but IMO the Marlins want to reduce their risk, and get maximum value, which means trading him this off season.
I also see a lot of posts favoring the Dodgers because they have so much money. Yeah, LA is Stanton’s hometown, so they would be the sentimental favorite, but I don’t see them making that big a financial commitment. When they first exceeded the CBT threshold they stated they wanted that to be a temporary thing to get them in the right situation. But so far they’ve had to pay $113.5m in tax. Acquiring Stanton would make it even more difficult to get below the threshold, sign their young talent to extensions, as well as deal with Kershaw’s possible opt-out.
The Giants, on the other hand, are dismissed by some since they’ve exceed the CBT threshold for 4 straight years. But they have only paid a measly $4.7m so far, and are flush with money, having paid off the debt service on AT&T Park, now owning it outright. Not saying the Giants are favorites to land Stanton, as I’m not sure they have the pieces that Miami wants, but they are probably in the best situation to take on all or most of the contract, among the group in serious pursuit.
“Red Sox are an “extreme long shot”…..lol……that means a deal is in the works…!
He doesn’t want to go to Boston.
Doubt it, the Sox will be in on him
I think the Red Sox are the ones who end up with him. I’m not sure how you couldn’t love the thought of him crushing HR’s out of Fenway. Hell, he’d probably put a hole in the monster w/ a drive to left.
In a Perfect world Stanton would renew his contract for less money and add more talent, make the Marlins a contender. I think only Tim Duncan and the Miami Big 3 have done that.
Is Tim related to Chris?
tealmarlin……….Tom Brady did that also. He allowed them to rewrite his contract for less $$$…….not the same money over a longer term (the Max Scherzer deal).
That’s a great idea, though….
Tom Brady never allowed the Patriots to rewrite his contract for less money…….he just switched language in his contract to free up cap room. Instead of it being guaranteed 24 mill in skill money, he switched it to a 24 mill injury guarantee. If he were to get injured he’d receive the 24 mill.
http://www.espn.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12094227/tom-brady-restructures-contract-give-new-england-patriots-24-million-more-cash
I wish he had just waited out free agency in the first place. Then we wouldn’t be in this situation. I honestly don’t know why he thought the Marlins wouldn’t try to dump him in a few years.
He has hundreds of millions of reasons for signing this contract which gives him total control. Only a fool like Loria would give the House away with the no trade, contract amount and opt out provisions.
I’m not sure why Jeter is officially crying poor. His group should have discounted the purchase price by at least $100 million to compensate for the vulnerabilities and exposures.
Oh, like he wouldn’t have gotten just as much if not more money in free agency.
He was presented security and “respect” with an opt out. You’d be a fool not to grab the money while it’s on the table rather than wait 2/3? years hoping you don’t get injured or the market is surprised.
*suppressed
Let’s be honest, he was always going to get that much money in free agency. And he definitely took the extension under the condition that the Marlins build a winner around him which they have failed to do. He upheld his end of the bargain, the Marlins didn’t uphold theirs. He would have been much better off waiting out free agency and it would have the added benefit of not holding up the show this offseason.
Sure it is possible. However at the time he was looking at certainty, and had not had the success he achieved in 2017. You can’t fault a guy for setting himself and his family for generations. Plus he has all of the control mechanisms.
The guy to blame is Loria. It was his parting shot at Miami after a series of blunders. He’s an art dealer which is one step removed from a used car lot.
The people of Miami feel used; having the burden of the stadium and a club that has had constant inconsistency of commitment and results.
Was going to get certainty anyway.
Yes. I pity a man who signed a 300 million dollar contract.
Could have gotten even more. Plus he signed the contract with a good faith belief that the Marlins wouldn’t try to trade him and they are trying to trade him. Plus he and Otani are totally holding up the show this offseason and no truly new info has come out since the offseason started.
Good faith agreement from a team that’s historically done everything they can do to dump contracts? Once again, he signed for over 300 million dollars. Even if he got one penny more he’s better off that most people in this world.
Loria was an excellent liar / scammer / snake oil salesman…..LOL
I agree that Stanton was not smart to believe that the Marlins wouldn’t try to trade him which is precisely why he should have waited out free agency.
Loria’s biggest scam in the Stanton deal (and I still can’t believe Stanton bought into it) was agreeing to such a low salary from 2014-17 based on Loria’s assurance he would invest and build a winner.
“The Opt-Out”….was Stanton’s way of testing Loria…..giving him an out after 3 years if Loria was lying (again)…….and the lower salary was Loria’s way of justifying giving out a Full No-Trade Clause….”For the 1st Time EVER”.
Exactly. Stanton was right there in 2012 when Loria heavily backloaded contracts for:
Jose Reyes
Mark Buehrle
Heath Bell
And then traded them all away after that season.
After the Expos and 2012, anyone who trusted Loria at all is crazy.
Marlins are in a tough spot. Stanton is worth salary relief. No prospects. Anyone who gives them a blue-chipper in addition to taking on that salary loses big time.
They don’t “Lose” if adding Stanton “Puts Them Over The TOP”
Winning Is EVERYTHING!
So many prospects just don’t pan out like they’re supposed to. Who knows what you’re giving up….might be Lastings Milledge…..LOL
If your team NEEDS a Big Bat……you might be Happy that you “overpaid a bit”…
In five years Stanton’s contract will be considered a real bargain, provided his production is at least 75 percent of his 2017 stats. Go get him Cards.
I wonder what part statement, St. Louis is not as desirable place to live as a single man as it is on either Coast. Or, the insinuation that he’d want to know there plans for others to acquire for 2018 other than himself??? Would you come to St. Louis with the only guarantee is the 2017 roster should motivate him to move to the Cardinals??? I’ve said all along, If the Cards got Abreau, Stanton will come too.
I hope one of the teams on “The periphery” for the services of Giancarlo Stanton turns out to be the Blue Jays. With the departure of Jose Bautista the franchise needs a new face. Rogers Communications has incredibly deep pockets and 38 million Canadians sitting on the edge of their seats waiting for a reason to tune in to Sportsnet (Owned by Rogers as well) If the Jays offer to pick up 100% of Stanton’s contract as well as 100% of Dee Gordon’s contract( Lh Hitter, middle infielder, potential lead-off hitter. SPEED, all things the J’s need) I am certain these fairly frequent trade partners could come together.
Oh, yeah, Stanton has 3 monster years in Toronto, opts out in 2020 and everyone is happy!
Interesting, although there’s no confirmation as to whether the two are close to a deal. But if the Cardinals were given that time-frame to attempt to convince Stanton, it’s not impossible.
Ohtani to the Yankees … Stanton to the Dodgers .. end to all the shenanigans and turning on the hot stove !!
Based on the size of his contract and all the moving parts involved – stars need to be in perfect alignment and the moon in a specific phase – it seems like it could be weeks before either one of these guys find a destination. The players I feel for are the 2nd and 3rd tier FAs who usually have to wait until January when most of the blue chips have fallen to find a team. Looks like they’ll be waiting until February this year.
Doesn’t Ohtani, by the rules, HAVE to sign within three weeks of being posted?
Yes , I believe that is the case with Ohtani , should have a home before the new year
I don’t really get the big deal about what city he plays in. Baseball players are traveling to other cities half the time, and rarely have off days as it is. In the off season you can live where ever you’d want. Wanting to play for a winner would make more sense. Which is why the Dodgers would clearly be the best fit. But if Dodgers don’t want him, St Louis seems more attractive than the last place Giants.
Stanton’s contract is the reason why baseball needs a salary cap. Also baseball should do away with guaranteed contracts. How often do you see a guy sign for 4 years gets hurt and either never plays again or he’s not the same player. It’s a team killer.
@ Joe giovengo
There is only one problem with each wish…neither will happen.
Cat Mando. Yes your right never happens. But that’s what baseball needs. I’m all for people making what they can. But Stanton’s contract is outrageous. Blame the owners,the players to the damb agents.
More I think about this, more I think the Red Sox are right: This isn’t a good value proposition and the Marlins won’t get what they want. They’ll pivot and sell Ozuna and Yelich for massive prospect returns, sell Prado and Ziegler by attaching other players, and go with a one-star and scrubs team for 2018. It strikes me as by far the best course for the Marlins. They’ll be rebuilt so much faster and can sell Stanton later and cover more of his salary to do it.