Red Sox president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski made no secret about his desire to add a bat to play first base or handle DH at yesterday’s press conference to announce manager Alex Cora, as MassLive.com’s Jen McCaffrey writes. “We need to score more runs,” said Dombrowski, noting that while there’s room for internal improvements, the team can add outside the organization as well. “…But we do have probably the open spot of first base slash DH, and so that’s a place we’ll try to create some offense there.” Per Dombrowski, the Sox have received positive news from Hanley Ramirez’s surgeons, who believe that the 33-year-old’s shoulder operation will allow him to return to first base next season. Dombrowski stressed that Ramirez may yet be the DH, depending on the bat the team acquires, but his progress at least allows them some flexibility in their search.
A bit more out of Boston…
- Dombrowski also suggested that the team does not need to prioritize staying under the luxury tax barrier for a second consecutive season, per Evan Drellich of NBC Sports Boston. Asked if he thought that was a goal for his club, Dombrowski bluntly stated, “No, I do not.” Principal owner John Henry also suggested that the luxury tax barrier isn’t likely to be a deterrent for Dombrowski and his staff as the Boston front office looks to add to its lineup this offseason.
- Cora dedicated a portion of yesterday’s press conference to fielding questions on an increased implementation of data and analytics on the field, writes Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe. The new skipper’s comments are well worth a full read-through, but Cora spoke about the power of presenting analytical data in a digestable format for players. Cora noted how quickly Justin Verlander took to the data presented to him following a trade to Houston, suggesting that Verlander “saw the light” and embraced the process with the Astros. Cora also indicated that the Sox could be more aggressive in terms of infield shifts in 2018 and beyond. “…And yes, we’re going to see more and more of those annoying shifts,” said Cora. “There’s going to be different formations, probably defensively, we’re going to help this infield to be better. The outfield, they’re amazing defensively, so we don’t have to make too much adjustments.” Other topics covered by Cora were the importance of analytics in baserunning as well as at times trusting the players on the field over preconceived, data-driven plans.
If the Red Sox don’t sign Hosmer I’ll be thoroughly shocked.
Me too, but I think it would be a mistake because Hosmer isn’t that great and I think he has already maxed out his potential. Also, he would be going from a media environment in Kansas City that loves him to the gauntlet of Boston where he will be shredded everyday.
Maxed out at his current level isn’t bad…
.882 OPS and a gold glove is terrible? What’s your definition of good then?
No, but this is as good as he’s gonna get. And anyways, even though he won a gold glove, he’s still measured as a negative defender at first.
I can just about guarantee you they won’t be signing him.
Agreed. No way his contract will be to rich for the power numbers the sox need. Insert Logan Morrison.
I’d take Carlos Santana and his consistent track record over Hosmer and his one great season in a heart beat. Throw in that Santana will probably get about $10 million less per year and 2 fewer years and it’s a no-brainer. Use the rest of the money to improve the team’s depth around the field or on a pitching upgrade.
Rather have Logan Morrison and his 30+ homers at 1B.
Which one are you Brother in law,accountant,guy who cuts his grass,high school buddy,or none of the above?
Sorry this is not related but can you please get a topic about the kzone being on every pitch for the ws and bow on mlb network?? I haven’t watched a game on espn in two years because of kzone. Can we get a discussion going? I would love to see people’s opinions, I can’t watch baseball anymore if every station does kzone now
Agreed. Super distracting.
I think Fox loves it because it creates an opportunity for the viewer to judge the home plate umpire’s calls. Little mini controversies. Ratings.
Maybe sometime in the future we will be able to toggle it on & off.
Personally, I enjoy it. But that’s just me..
I also like it
Yea, I personally like it as well.
Then I guess you won’t be watching much baseball. Next season only Root Sports NW won’t be using it or something like it. Are you a Mariners fan by chance?
I agree. a lot of the times it is not close either. is it just some intern poking a screen or how do they figure that because it is flawed
And what if they sign Santana?
Why take on another huge useless contract? Player development or aging Morrison
Morrison is 30 years old.
Come on Sox take Kemp off our hands !!!!
Even willing to give up a prospect to them to make it happen.
Runny Castillo/Matt Kemp trade seems fair
In all reality Hosmer is a perfect fit
He’s closer to another contact hitter to me though, especially given the thought of Fenway deep right field, he will most likely lose some more homers
I don’t see Boston doing that because of Castillo’s contract and the luxury tax. Because of a bizarre technicality, Castillo doesn’t count for tax purposes so long as he’s not on the roster. If they make this trade, Kemp will count for tax purposes, so they’d have to pay an extra 20% on his salary (30% extra in Year 2) because they’re going to blow by the tax it sounds like. For them, Kemp’s 2/$43M is actually 2/$53.75M if I’m understanding the tax correctly, while Castillo is at 3/35M. Braves would need to chip in a prospect still probably
Not sure how my comments landed on yours, as after I read yours I will take back my previous comments.
I’ll take kemp for rusney all day everyday
Kemp has a huge contract and where would he fit in in the Red Sox lineup?
1B/DH like DD said is a position of need.
I don’t think he said that. I would re-read what he said, I believe he said 1st base was an option to add someone, not that it was a “need”.
He fits perfectly in the 1B/DH slot with Hanley. They will add Victor Martinez and kemp so that there options are always open.
Who cares about the salary cap? Trader Dave already told us that it doesn’t matter.
What a loud of hog wash by Domo and Cora, they are in trouble. The Yanks have passed them by. Hiring La Russa just sealed the deal. Bring on the beer and hot dogs.
Pff slider32!! I think the Yanks will not repeat 2017! Boston will sing Santana and Cozart!! Redsox champs 2018
Boston will “sing”???
Why would they bother with Cozart?
redsox1976 don’t take this guy seriously..not a Yankees fan.
P.S. They can sing all the players they want…
Explain which Santana will get them further than 2017? This was the missing piece? They should have grabbed EE last year and things may have been better. They were about 100 homers behind in homers of the lead teams. They need a couple of bangers or one and get their guys back to hitting them.
They won’t be signing 2 expensive players, pick one.
Hanley Ramirez $22MM 2019 option automatically vest with 497 PA’s in 2018. I’ll bet the Red Sox do everything possible to prevent that from happening.
Not if he’s hitting they won’t. If he is good they will milk him for all they can, that was the point of the contract.
Has he been hitting?
Yea, if he shows the hitting he showed in 2016 (.286/.361/.505, 31 homers, 111 RBI’s), then his option will likely vest. If he plays like he did this year, and in 2015, then they’ll probably try and prevent it from vesting.
Nope. Hanley is revered by his teammates who love his enthusiasm for sitting on the bench and skipping defensive assignments. Lighting a candle under him will be decisive for Alex
Cora who needs to be prepared for the sweet
Boston fans and press
First off the Sox won’t have alot of money to spend. If they keep the present team as it exists that is. If they were willing to move Jackie and Bogaerts then they’d have more to spend But it’s doubtful they will. They will have apprx- $35m to spend, which means 1 big bat and some minor pieces like a Reliever, cheap 5/6th Starter. There will NOT be a ton of moves this Winter.
Nor do they need a ton of moves. 1st Place team, young core, strong pitching staff. Sign a couple pieces and a power bat and they’ll be fine.
That’s exactly what they will do. All these people thinking they will bring in 2-3 expensive players are crazy, think ONE, 1 player, they aren’t making big time changes.
They have more money than God, please don’t fool yourselves! They’ll bring in whomever they want! I bet on Hosmer!
False. They have a budget just like everyone else and they dont have a ton to spend this winter.
Where do you come with what Boston has to spend this offseason. They are willing to go over Luxury tax threshold this year so we don’t have a clue how much they are willing to spend.
Yes they will go over the threshold but they can only handle so much money because of Fenway. I can’t tell you where I get my numbers from, you’ll have to figure that out on your own. If you know accounting and economics you can kinda figure it out.
You have no clue it depends on how far over the cap Boston is willing to go and you and I don’t know what the ownership is willing to do.
Uh … there is no “cap” in baseball buddy!
Are you including all of their arbitration bumps that all of their young guys are getting? Not sure what their spending limit number is exactly either. Is this Henry or DD?
They have $209 million in payroll including Panda, Castillo, and Craig. How much of that is a luxury tax hit I don’t know. If you are basing it on luxury tax, they are probably close or over already. If you are basing it on revenue, then you are right in saying have about $35 million to spend.
Craig is off the luxury tax now. They will go over the threshold this season. Yes it is based more on Revenue. They will sign or trade for 1 expensive bat, that is it, that is all they will add outside of cheaper pieces like 1 Bullpen arm, bench…
Keep it going…lofl
You are wrong the Red Sox have about 183 million 194 if you count Rusney.
Interesting comment from Cora: “There’s going to be different formations, probably defensively, we’re going to help this infield to be better.” They don’t have a 1st baseman at this point. Pedroia is expected to miss at least the first 2 months of the 2018 season. Bogaerts defense at SS is suspect (-11DRS) according to Fangraphs and Devers is still a work in progress defensively at 3rd base. I would say Cora and the Red Sox have a lot of work to do defensively with that infield.
Cora is just trying to be optimistic. Good analysis though man!
Sign Martinez, Morrison, trade for Stanton. Look for cheap pitching
Just curious what players do you think the Red Sox would have to give up to the Marlins to get Stanton?
I think it really depends. If Stanton is traded it’ll be without precedent. He’s a 27, a top power hitter, and the highest paid player in MLB. The real question is does the new Marlin management see Stanton as an asset or as a burden?
Apparently from all the reports I’ve read they do intend to trade him. So that means getting out from under that massive contract. But they aren’t going to give him away for a “bag of balls” so to speak.
Marlins aren’t getting good prospects for Stanton, period, not with that contract. The Marlins could say they won’t kick in much cash because of Stanton’s opt-out clause; the other team could argue for more cash in the event that Stanton doesn’t opt out.
The only way I see a Stanton deal working is if Miami takes another expensive, but shorter, contract in exchange. Maybe the Angels deal Pujols for Stanton, for example. Stanton and Trout on the same team?! (And this is just an example. Pujols, like Stanton, has a no-trade clause, and I doubt he’d waive it to play for Miami.)
Another trade partner? The Yankees. They have the money to swing a Stanton deal, and they sniffed the World Series this past season. But I think the Yankees need starting pitching more than they need bats.
The Yankees have already said they aren’t spending a ton, they want to get beneath the luxury tax threshold. The teams to keep an eye on are the Dodgers, Giants and Cards.
Agree with your overall point… with Stanton’s contract, the player Miami is getting in return is based on how much of that contract Miami is covering. For instance – IF the guy traded for him was someone like Bradley Jr… then the Sox would probably cover Stanton’s entire contract. However, if the guy was someone like Benintendi… the Sox would expect the Marlins to pay a large share of Stanton’s contract.
Miami would have absolutely NO interest in Pujols… unless maybe the Angels agreed to pay all of BOTH contracts. Nah… they still wouldn’t have interest.
Dodgers are a great fit for the Marlins and Stanton. They could pay the remainder of Stanton’s contract… and would give a guy like Pederson and a pitching prospect like Alvarez.
I don’t think they will pay down his salary and I don’t this they can get any big prospect haul if they don’t. I think the key for them will be getting younger players with control who they can flip later for good value later, which would also be a way of the recipient mitigating Stanton’s in the first couple of years.
Bradley makes a ton of sense in that regard. Maybe Bogaerts, too.
Doubt the Marlins would be interested in a package of Bradley & Bogaerts. Both are going to start to get expensive via arbitration and both will be FA’s in just a couple of years. The Marlins are going to want high ceiling young cost controlled players. Neither Bradley or Bogaerts are that.
Most likely benitendi, and a lot of pitching
There is zero chance the Red Sox trade Benintendi.
then there is 0 chance they get Stanton unless Devers is part of the deal.
they aren’t trading for Boegarts or JBJ. They want young controllable cheap players.
Groome and Chavis are both barely top 100 prospects.
and don’t give me that Groome #42 currently.
He’s had two injuries and a horrible year.
Unless a bidding war breaks out you are going to be really disappointed with the return that you get for Stanton. There is no way the Red Sox trade Benintendi and take on the whole contract to high a price. Benintendi is going to be a really good player not as good as Stanton but when you factor in the contracts is probably more valuable straight up.
I agree they won’t trade Benintendi or Devers. That’s why the trade isn’t happening. I never said it would just it’s the only way it goes through.
That is probably who the Marlins would ask for as the headliner with Groome being one of the pitching prospects.
I do think that the Marlins would take JBJ, Groome and someone like Beeks for Stanton. I also think they are willing to pay a small portion of Stanton’s contract, just no money unless he does not opt out after the 2020 season. If he opts out, then the team that trades for him would get no money and they really shouldn’t. Think about it. If Stanton plays well enough for 3 years for just $77 million that he believes that he can get more than 7yrs/$208mm, then whoever traded for him got a huge bargain even after giving up players like JBJ, Groome and another top pitching prospect.
Sorry floridapinstripes…not going to happen…previous owners made the mistake of paying Stanton more money than their revenue stream could handle, while also giving Stanton a NO TRADE CLAUSE….big mistake. Because Stanton can dictate which teams he is willing to accept a trade and he doesn’t want to go to a rebuilding team. That puts playoff bound teams in the driver’s seat. Also his contract is seriously back loaded, that’s a big risk, especially for a player who has suffered some injuries, so again, this the other team in the stronger trade position. Now the Marlins main goal is to dump Stanton’s contract not get prospects, while Stanton’s goal is to get on a team with legitimate playoff aspirations and he has the NTC. All of those factors add up to the Marlins getting one top prospect and 2 or 3 marginals and they still might need to pay down on 10 to 20 percent of his contract.
Now if I were in Yankee management, I would offer Clint Frazier (RF), (SS/2B) prospect Thairo Estrada, and two pitchers Like Luis Cessa, and propect pitcher Giovanny Gallegos and take his whole salary for first 3 years, but if he opts in, only pay 25 million a year and have the Marlins pay the rest.
And how do you know?
Benintendi, when you factor in the contract differences between him and Stanton is probably more valuable alone. The Red Sox brass know how valuable he is they aren’t stupid therefore they won’t trade Benintendi.
That’s how I know.
Start with Benintendi and Betts, bogarts, or 3rd basemen and pitcher and take 95% of contract. J Bradley would be brought in to trade but Sox would need center fielder. Would take a haul to get Stanton. If Sox had a stacked Minor league system and could add him and only losing a JBJ that is what they need but not enough ammo to give. St. Louis could grab him. Jeter should keep him for marketing his team and putting butts in seats. Build around him,not a bad guy to have. I’m not sure the financial gain for Marlins would be that much if the lose his salary. He’s an attraction to fans like Judge because they are monsters that pound homers.
Even during Stanton’s run to 60 they couldn’t put butts in the seats…he gone!!!
I’m just curios you think it takes Benintendi and Betts or Bogey or Devers?
JBJ, Groome and another pitching prospect would be a good start to the discussions. It all depends on how much money the Marlins are willing to kick in from 2021 on. If they are willing to pitch in close to $50 million, then the players they give up are going to hurt.
You don’t get arguably the best hitter in baseball for cheap, no matter how big his contract is.
LOL that’s it??
Add two expensive outfielders and go cheap at 1B?
Morrison might be a fit, but I would imagine they won’t go cheap, that they’ll spend in those two areas and bolster the ‘pen.
Be realistic! They aren’t bringing 3 expensive players on board. They don’t have that kind of money. Think 1 player, ONE, with minor pieces like a Reliever and bench added.
If they take the whole contract? Jason Varitech and Mike Lowell…..
Trade JBJ for prospects, sign Martinez and/or Hosmer. I want nothing to do with Stanton. These huge contracts never work out.
I am just fascinated by the Red Sox fans that think signing Hosmer to a big dollar deal is the way to go. He’s below average defensively. He’s in the bottom half of 1B for power. He will be another Hanley in no time. Santana makes so much more sense.
So the the Gold Glove winner at 1st is below average defensively? WHAT???
Yea, it’s weird. He does rank in the negatives in DRS, and total fielding runs above average.
Defensive metrics are fairly useless for first basemen, especially in the shift era.
Hosmer’s probably the best defensive 1B in baseball. Also, he just got through rocking a 130 OPS+.
The problem with Hosmer is that every other season is below league average in OPS+. As far as defense goes, he is not very good. In the bottom half of the league. http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=1b&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2017&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0
He isn’t even close to the best defensive first baseman in baseball. What I want some of the stuff your smoking. Wow.
I think my opinion would be supported by just about every organization in baseball. Dude’s deservedly won 4 GG’s, including last year. He’s an absolute wizard with the glove.
Not according to advanced defensive metrics.
Santana seriously? I’d look at his splits. Signing him would be adding another Pablo, no thanks! The Sox will add 1 Big bat, just one. I highly doubt it’s him.
Why? Santana play well at 1b wt 263 23hr 70-75 rbi and never miss more the 20 games in the last 4 years
They only have so much money to spend, so with tgat knowledge they will be going after 1 bat, one, do you really want that 1 ba t to be Santana?
Santana is also attached to a QO. So his earning power is hampered but there are other consequences at stake
Ok! Iff not Santana, sign Logan Morrison .246 38hr 85rib then trade Bradley,Swihart,Owen plus Marco Hernandez for Marcell Ozuna!sign Nunéz
why would they trade for JBJ who only has 3 years of control and take on crappy prospects.
They don’t want JBJ and Boegarts lol
I was hoping that all the people on here that said the Red Sox absolutely would not go over the Luxury Tax were right because the less the Red Sox and Yankees spend, the better chance the O’s have. Guess they were all wrong.
I heard on a podcast today that MLB wasn’t using juiced balls at Fenway Park. Fenway’s home run totals would be low given the Red Sox power, but given who’s in their division, Fenway shouldn’t rank dead last in the AL in home runs.
I’m not sure if I buy it, but I’m curious as to the thoughts of others on the matter.
I think MLB did somehow juice the balls this past season…. but no, I don’t think they picked and chose where they used them, and where they weren’t.
Imagine the liability. If it were proven that MLB did in fact “juice” baseballs… then while the league would still be held accountable, bottom line they’d be accountable to the court of public opinion.
If it were proven that MLB decided when and where to use the juiced balls – there would be hell to pay. Lawsuits would be numerous, as players or teams would feel they were mistreated. The game would be forever changed. JMO.
Unfortunately, IMO, Hanley is finished. I’d guess that 1 WAR is his upside. The Sox won’t let his 2019 option (1,050 PA over ’17-’18) vest if they’re smart.
Ah, yes, sit back and watch Dumbrowski spend someone else’s money and thumb his nose at the luxury tax.
Time for MLB to get serious about organizations that flaunt the spending limits. Sox have gleefully tried to circumvent spending rules and regulations, getting caught a few times.
Makes it easy to hate ownership and management teams that put the emphasis on business. Would be welcome if Boston, and many other organizations, would spend money to renovate their Mickey Mouse ballparks. Please, enough of the mythology and sentimentality . . . these ballparks are a joke. But then you have a Commish who thinks hitting home runs is what baseball is all about. Along with grown men acting like pubescent cheerleaders, complete with laughable dugout antics. Sorry, MLB is on a slippery slope of out-of-control spending and desperate attempts to find a new audience.
You lost me at Mickey Mouse ballparks
Please look at the facts before you charge the BoSox for abusing the Lux Tax system. Since the current Lux Tax was put in the the CBA:
The BoSox paid a total Lux Tax of 25.1 MM from 2003 through 2016, with 0 due for 2017. While winning 3 WS.
The NYY paid Tax of 303.9 MM with a big chunk due for 2017. While winning 1 WS.
The LAD paid Tax of 113.5MM with a big chunk due for 2017. While winning 0 WS.
Hanley Ramirez is frustrating. Here’s hoping he is healthy and productive in 2018.
If they want Stanton and his entire contract then a JBJ/Bogaerts/Chavis would be fair.The only other possibility is a J. Abreu trade sending JBJ and Chavis to CWS.. Signing a Z. Cozart might goose Bogie into taking his position seriously..
There is no way they are trading Bogey with JBJ that would be a silly overpay.
OMG no. If anyone’s trading for Stanton’s whole contract the return is a prospectin the bottom half of the top 100 and some stuff. No major league assets and CERTAINLY not someone like Bogaerts.
Doubtful. When you have team’s that can take on the money, typically LAD, NYY, STL, BOS., SF, TX, The Marlins can pit these teams against each other, get more back then anyone would have ever expected. It isn’t just about taking on money and little else, there are plenty of team’s to take on the money, it’s going to come down to who can put together the best “package” of players. Looking at those teams, I doubt the Red Sox would have the best package Unless they were willing to Trade Devers or Benintendi, which they aren’t.
Miami isn’t taking JBj and Bogey in return for Stanton. That’s every Red Sox fans fantasy, not happening.
A prototypical draft of a Stanton trade for the Red Sox would look like this, and they can make it happen. (Remember, Dombrowski likes to make blockbusters)
CF Jackie Bradley Jr
3B Michael Chavis
SP Tanner Houck
C Daniel Flores
The Marlins, in turn, could flip JBJ and collect more assets that way, or, just keep him and make a trade sometime in the next 3 years at a trade deadline or another offseason. Boston would still have roughly $15 million to play with, with the addition of Stanton and subtraction of Bradley. I could easily see them turn and grab a Moreland type insurance policy on a short term deal to play 1st base, most likely Logan Morrison. 2 years, $25 million.
2018 Red Sox lineup:
1. R Bogaerts SS
2. L Benintendi CF
3. R Betts RF
4. R Stanton LF
5. L Morrison 1B
6. R Ramirez DH
7. L Devers 3B
8. R Vazquez C
9. L Holt 2B
They will not trade Flores the rest is possible.
Goat, your posting is so creative you should wrap a bow around it and use words that rhyme.
I actually do have a clue. I have been right about their payroll for years and years. I’m right about it now too. Listen to Dombrowski press conferences…, does he sound like a guy that has a ton of money? Like he did when he signed Price? No, he’s been very guarded, he is that way because he knows he doesn’t have much to spend. They will make limited changes, likely sign 1 big bat and little else. If you chose not to believe that, then that’s on you.
Willy I’m just saying that there current payroll is at 183 million 194 million if you use their guaranteed contracts and there expected arb and pre-arb salaries. They have already said they are not constrained by the Luxury tax this year those are facts. What we don’t know is how far over the luxury tax ownership is willing to go. We can speculate but that all we can do at this point. If you think they have 35 million then that means they are willing to take on 215 to 225 million in total salary. Are they willing to go that high we don’t know maybe they are willing to go to 240 million in which case it’s over 50 million in additional salary. We don’t know there plans.
Believe what you want.
I’m just stating facts.
Actually you aren’t. You are assuming numbers not based on facts or intellect while attempting to discredit mine. I have all the salaries/contracts, the insurance, all past payrolls, all the years they increased ticket sales and what that payroll was, Do you? Because if you don’t I would drop it.
You are showing a total lack of understanding where the real $$$$ in MLB are. The Sox were one of the first to take control of the media $$$ by owning WSBK & NESN 40 yrs ago. That is why the Angels gave Puljos that contract as a condition of their new mega cable deal. TV money is also why Fox took control of the McCourt Bankruptcy driving up the price of the LAD. The new LAD owners refused to renew with Fox and started their own cable channel instead. STL is expected to increase payroll because their new TV deal starts this yr. etc.
The official MLB numbers since the Lux Tax was started for the 2003 season show for the yrs 2002-2016:
1. NYY paid 304.1MM with a big chunk to be due for 2017.
2. LAD paid 113.5 MM with a big chunk due for 2017;
3. Sox paid 25.1 MM with 0 due for 2017.
I’m not sure who you are responding to since the site stinks But if it’s me; you’re barking up the wrong tree. I have all of the Sox financial information, I am well aware of the tv money, among other things. The Red Sox still have a budget, Sam Kennedy reminds people of this all the time. Because of Ben Cherington overspending they have limited money to spend this Winter. That is why Dombrowski has down played what they’ll be looking to do.
Read this and tell me the Sox have a lot of money to spend or even the fact that Dombrowski sounds like he did when he was about to sign Price.
Here is another article that says they have about $35m to spend, as I have been saying all along.
I meant to say if you include Rusney.
Believe what you want.
What do you think about a trade wt the Oakland As!! Khris Davis , Jed Lowrie and Matt Olson for Bradley, Swihart, Owen and Sam Travis plus Marco Hernandez or Marrero??
Do it! World Series or bust!
Here is another article that goes into great detail about a number of things But in the beginning talks about why the Sox won’t go over $237m in payroll because of the ramifications. Like I said they have apprx- $35m to spend.