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Latest On Manny Machado

By Mark Polishuk | December 17, 2017 at 9:10am CDT

SUNDAY: The White Sox and Diamondbacks had shown the most interest in Machado as of Saturday morning, Olney heard from AL sources.

THURSDAY: Trade winds continue to swirl around Manny Machado, as the Orioles’ apparent willingness to consider dealing its star third baseman was one of the major storylines of the Winter Meetings.  The Orioles have received ten “legitimate offers” for Machado, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reports, though the quality of those offers and the number of teams involved may be hampered by Baltimore’s refusal to allow a 72-hour window for a new team to talk to Machado’s agents about a possible extension.

The Cardinals didn’t make “a formal offer” due to that lack of negotiating period, and the White Sox (previously thought to have made the strongest of all the offers) apparently didn’t include any of their top prospects in their proposal, Nightengale reports.  Two executives said that Chicago made its offer with the belief that the Sox would only have Machado for the 2018 season.

One major factor influencing talks is Baltimore owner Peter Angelos’ insistence that Machado not end up with the Yankees in 2018.  This naturally rules out a direct trade with New York, though Angelos also doesn’t want a scenario where Machado is dealt to a team that would flip him to the Yankees for prospects, be it before the July trade deadline or even later this offseason.  These parameters would seem to limit the Orioles’ list of potential trade partners to only contending teams, and maybe even to contenders that would seemingly have no chance of a midseason collapse and subsequent deadline fire sale (though obviously one can’t know for sure what would-be contenders could be in for a nightmare season, a la the 2017 Giants.)

The White Sox aren’t expected to contend for even a couple of seasons yet, and thus would seem like potential candidates to deal Machado in order to further hasten their rebuild.  The Sox are apparently willing to address Angelos’ concerns, as Nightengale writes that “if the Orioles even wanted it in writing that they’d keep him around until at least mid-summer,” Chicago would be fine with that assurance.  This would be quite an unusual type of trade provisio, of course, and one that Angelos may still not be fine with if he wants to eliminate any chance of Machado wearing Yankee pinstripes in 2018.

Beyond the teams already reported as having interest in Machado, the Diamondbacks are also in the mix, ESPN.com’s Buster Olney tweets.  Arizona “checked in” on the Machado talks, though it isn’t clear if the D’Backs were just performing due diligence or if they were one of the clubs who made Baltimore an offer.  Machado would seem to be something of an unlikely fit for a D’Backs team that doesn’t have the payroll space to afford Machado’s $17.3 projected salary for 2018, though they could clear some of their own pricier arb-eligible players off the books by sending them back to the O’s.  Patrick Corbin, for instance, would be an upgrade for the Orioles’ rotation, while Jake Lamb would replace Machado at third base and give some much-needed left-handed balance to Baltimore’s lineup.

MLBTR’s Steve Adams recently took a broad look at the Machado situation, gauging all 29 other teams by how plausible they seem as contenders to actually land the star infielder.  Needless to say, Angelos’ specifications would seem to narrow an already thin market, since there aren’t many teams willing to meet the Orioles’ big asking price (reportedly two controllable starting pitchers) for just a year of Machado’s services.  Adams listed both the White Sox and Diamondbacks as “out of the picture” candidates, so their chances of working out a deal could be even more remote given Angelos’ wariness of any “creative” follow-up trades a Machado suitor could make.

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  1. phantomofdb

    7 years ago

    10?! Wow

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    • prich

      7 years ago

      I got White Sox, Red Sox, Yanks, Phils, Cards, Giants, Braves, Cleveland, Angels, and maybe Cubs

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      • cards81

        7 years ago

        I’m a cardinals fan so I’m biased but seems te White Sox, Phil’s and Braves are rebuilding so they would no doubt flip him. Red Sox and Yanks make sense but sounds like the owner has a little disgust of those trades. Angels might not have enough in their minors to get him. Cleveland I honestly don’t see it but maybe…If the cubs could swipe him and Russel and probably have to throw in more than that maybe also…but if they want Pitching the cardinals have it and looks like they might be open for business…could give them Wacha and Hudson or something of lesser prospect like Hernandez…but all depends…either way Wacha gives them a pitcher now and Hudson a pitcher of the future…cardinals sign an another pitcher like Arrieta or Darvish they would be all in for 2018. And honestly wouldn’t sacrifice much of the future because they keep Reyes, Weaver and Flaherty. Plus still plenty of outfield depth. Cardinals make a lot of sense

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        • JM58

          7 years ago

          No way the Phils flip him if they trade for him. They want him long term. Not likely, though, that they give up a load of high end prospects for one year. They need a guarantee he signs an extension before they do that. The Phils have worked too long and hard on the rebuild to cash in for one year.

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        • Cat Mando

          7 years ago

          Phillies were the first team reported to have asked for a 72 hour window. They wanted to offer a hefty extension. They had no plans of flipping him. At the asking price of 2 controllable starters for one year with no extension caused them to wisely back away. B-mores asking price, no window and no flipping = no trade.

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        • Cat Mando

          7 years ago

          @ JM58….
          We must have been typing at the same time. Essentially it’s the Doc Halladay scenario. Let us offer an extension…if he agrees we pay a hefty asking price…if he says no then there is no deal.

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        • cards81

          7 years ago

          To expand on that the Cardinals would still have plenty of depth to get Colome from the rays or they would still have enough to sign a closer like Davis…the Cardinals realistically only have ozuna for two years and machado for a year…but get two great picks by offering them a QO if they want to leave …plus they still have Reyes, Weaver, Flaherty, Martinez, (Arrieta) for a starting 5 of the future…Davis or Colome in the bullpen for a few years…let’s do it Cardinals…maybe even offer Manchado a contract with and opt out after one year and guaranteed a lot after but if he wants to opt out after a year let him…you have Ozuna and Machado for two years

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        • cards81

          7 years ago

          All Phillies fans I agree that the Phillies would sign him to an extension and have enough to get him but obviously he doesn’t want that so sorry the Phillies don’t make sense…but the cardinals do because they have plenty of depth and a reason to go all in without giving up their future

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        • Cat Mando

          7 years ago

          @cards81……..”The Cardinals didn’t make “a formal offer” due to that lack of negotiating period,” Looks like the Cards don’t want him at that price with out a window either,

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        • cards81

          7 years ago

          I Read that also but I didn’t base my idea off of that…I think they should go for it…the O’s should go for that…Wacha and Hudson are solid pick ups

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        • Cat Mando

          7 years ago

          What?
          You say your idea wasn’t based on the Cards not offering and….you say “but obviously he doesn’t want that so sorry the Phillies don’t make sense…but the cardinals do because they have plenty of depth”
          You contradict yourself.
          No extension negates the Phils….It also negates the Cards who didn’t even put up an offer.

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        • cards81

          7 years ago

          Lol no…the Phillies will flip him if he doesn’t extend because they won’t be in contention next year…cardinals will be and are guaranteed to keep him…so the cardinals make sense to get him and not give up the future for. WS win…and then get a great pick by offering a QO…Phillies give up their future for nothing…so yea the Phillies won’t trade without an extension where as the cardinal should because they have a chance to win the WS…that’s if they sign Arrieta and get Colome or David for a closer…which is very much a realm of possibility

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          7 years ago

          He’s not going to fetch as good of prospects at the deadline as he is now so why would the Phillies trade for him?

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          WAcha and Hudson is pretty light.

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        • cards81

          7 years ago

          For one year that’s not light at all…Wacha is a solid starting pitcher but yes with some injury history but still very solid and had a great last year …while Hudson is a great prospect…the cardinals could still throw in Grichuk or another great outfield prospect with the deal…their future would still be intact with weaver, Reyes and Flaherty…Wacha has some years of control and Hudson all six of control for a year of Machado…give me a break he is a great player but the team he goes to is pretty much guaranteed a year of control

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          Wacha is a fine pitcher. Don’t think he’ll get better going to the Al East though. He’s already in his 2md year of arbitration’s eligibility. One year of machado is worth a lot more than 2 of wacha. That’s before you factor in possibly signing machado to an extension or having a leg up in FA because he’s familiar with the ball club. Hudson isn’t enough to bridge THat gap. Hudson is a back of the rotation starter at best. Sure the cards want to keep all their horses but I have a hard time believing that’ll end up working out.

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        • cards81

          7 years ago

          I believe you are wrong about Hudson,,,here is his scouting report…
          “The organization is excited about the potential four-pitch mix Hudson has at his disposal, all coming from a big, strong and durable frame. His fastball can touch 97 mph and he throws it with a ton of sink, with the potential to miss bats and get weak contact on the ground. He throws a nasty slider that’s almost more of a cutter, an average changeup and a curve that he continues to work on and could give him a fourth average-or-better offering. While he struggled with his command early in his college career, his strike-throwing improved dramatically as a junior”
          Two years of Wacha and Hudson should be plenty for a one year rental of Machado…and give me a break everyone knows he is going to elect FA so that leg up means nothing

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        • bucnole31658

          7 years ago

          Machado is getting 12 yrs 300 million no way he signs a small deal

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        • sandman12

          7 years ago

          You’d want to give up assets for the privilege of paying Machado $17.3M? He had a .740 OPS last year! That’s 200 less than Tommy Phrickin’ Phan!

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      • old ranger

        7 years ago

        You missed the Mariners. Dipoto will probably go after him to play left field and cost the team the last 2 prospects in the system.

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          Mariners don’t have 2 prospects good enough to make that happen.

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        • old ranger

          7 years ago

          Makes the point

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      • booboo123

        7 years ago

        Did you not read the article or do you have a problem with comprehension?

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  2. leprechaun

    7 years ago

    Sox should put it in writing that no deal with the Yankees could be made at all with him in it.

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    • lowtalker1

      7 years ago

      Why? Who cares?
      Trade him to the white Sox or who ever then trade him to the Yankees, and then Yankees extend him

      Especially when there won’t be extension talks?
      Flip him to the biggest contender makes the only logical sense

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      • sportsfan101

        7 years ago

        Clearly you can’t read my friend smh

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        • lowtalker1

          7 years ago

          Of course I can read re re
          They don’t want him to go to the Yankees
          They cannot stop another team trading him to the Yankees if they get him
          What will they do? Refuse to trade with them? Os don’t have much of anything anyone would want with control

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        • JKB 2

          7 years ago

          @soortsfan

          It seems like lowtalker1 reads pretty good but you cannot

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    • bostonbob

      7 years ago

      I don’t think sox would have a problem with that

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    • sam 17

      7 years ago

      What stops the sox dealing him to the Padres who’ll deal him to the Yankees?

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  3. mtnorth5

    7 years ago

    and this is why the Orioles are the Orioles… and by that I mean a terrible organization

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    • bonquisha

      7 years ago

      Its funny how many organizations are actually worse.
      By wins and losses they arent even embarrassing the last 5-10 years

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      • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

        7 years ago

        They are completely hosed for the future tho

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  4. Kris Higdon

    7 years ago

    Praise the heavens I am not an O’s fan. Angelos is something else to make these statements public.

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    • Trevor 3

      7 years ago

      As an O’s fan, see what we have to deal with? Please offer condolences.

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      • FromTheJuicingEra

        7 years ago

        Same here but I’m seriously considering being a fan of a different team. Angelos is rediculous!! He needs to worry about the Orioles future. Manny is great but they’re going to destroy the Orioles anyways with Stanton, Judge and Sanchez. This is the straw that’s sending me elsewhere. Seeing Duquette let Nelson Cruz sign elsewhere and then giving Ubaldo the same money Cruz got almost did me in but this is absolutely crazy! Angelos can’t dictate the league!!

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        • Trevor 3

          7 years ago

          I get the aggravation, but I’ve been a Baltimore native my whole life and despite our issues as a city and with our teams, I just hope that greener pastures are coming.

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        • oriolesravenstimberwolves04

          7 years ago

          I️ hate to say it but aparently Angelos’s sons are much better and he is 89. If you think about it, there is a chance Angelos’s sons or son make it their/ his business LIKE A TEAM SHOULD ACTUALLY BE RUN.

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          Ubaldo was on the team the same time Cruz was. Cruz was a huge miss we miss that bat. Has been the birds M.O for awhile now though. We did the same thing to Reynolds and would’ve done it for Trumbo had he had a stronger market. But, you wanna root for the Nats go right ahead. You won’t be the first to hop on the bandwagon around baltimore. I’ll stick it out.

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        • mgrap84

          7 years ago

          Ive been die hard orioles fan forever and i can tell you now greener pastures are not coming. Not until Angelos is gone. Take a look when we were on fire in the mid 90’s… We were so close, just needed a few players to put us over but did Angelos budge?…. Nope. Fast-forward to a few years back in the playoffs, sweep the Tigers then get bounced next series… Got so damn close all we needed was a few players… Mainly picthers but did Angelos budge?… Nope. In fact he let people walk and since then we are getting worse. Duquette wants to spend the money and knows what he is doing but Angelos doesn’t want to spend any money. Until Angelos is no longer the owner, the Orioles will never contend. So all we can do is sit back, watch the garbage he sends out there and watch the Yankees win yet another title because they know what it takes to get the job done.

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        • kidaplus

          7 years ago

          They’re not gonna contend unless they move those fences back.

          No top tier FA arm is gonna sign there as Camden Yards is currently constructed.

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      • martyvan90

        7 years ago

        Sympathies extended

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    • brucewayne

      7 years ago

      Really! Why would you make those statements known? Keep that stuff in house

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  5. baseballisok

    7 years ago

    What’s the point of now allowing the negotiating period?

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    • ilovelamp

      7 years ago

      Likely that Machado won’t sign an extension and wants to hit free agency. So allowing a negotiating window is pointless

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      • jred1979

        7 years ago

        Not really. The downside for the Orioles is merely the time wasted and the false hope of an extension being squashed. Given that most teams don’t believe he’ll agree to an extension anyway, the Orioles don’t have much to lose.

        With a window, Flaherty or Reyes are available. Without one, you’ve discouraged one or more of the few viable suitors.

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      • FromTheJuicingEra

        7 years ago

        That’s correct. I read that Manny is refusing an extension with any team he is dealt to. Why would he? He will have his choice of teams and numerous huge offers on the table next offseason.

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        • cardsfiremm

          7 years ago

          He may as well talk with teams about an extension, gauge his potential value now. It’s gotta be in the back of his mind that he could have a down year or, god forbid, get hurt and really damage his value in free agency next winter. Why not see what he could get now?

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    • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

      7 years ago

      Because it’d be pointless. He’s not taking an extension no matter what they do.

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      • JKB 2

        7 years ago

        Agreed. It is pointless. Teams can make offers to Baltimore now based upon Machados value being one year. That saves everyone time

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        • jred1979

          7 years ago

          Which is more valuable to Baltimore? Prospect return, or how long it takes to trade Machado? For a well-run organization, I wouldn’t have to ask, but this is Angelos we’re talking about.

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      • brucewayne

        7 years ago

        You don’t know that! Let him make that decision !

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          7 years ago

          I do know that

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  6. STLShadows

    7 years ago

    The Cardinals are the best fit. They won’t flip him to New York, they got young controllable pitching, and they can play him at short and put DeJong at third. The only thing is the Cards Won’t flip Reyes or Weaver for potentially 1 year of Machado but they have Hudson, Flaherty, Gomber, and Fernandez that I’m sure are available

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    • brucewayne

      7 years ago

      Not for 1 year !

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    • spudchukar

      7 years ago

      As much as I would love to see Machado in a Red Bird uni I doubt they make a serious offer without a chance to extend him. A 300 mil is doable. And a Kelly, Flaherty, and Fernandez offer should entice the O’s. But they shouldn’t lose those assets without some chance to keep him. It isn’t like they “need” him, with Carpenter and Gyorko third base options.

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  7. acarneglia

    7 years ago

    If the Yankees can give you the best prospects than make a trade with them. If he’s in the division who cares

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    • prich

      7 years ago

      Yes and don’t give Yanks a window that’s all

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    • mtnorth5

      7 years ago

      when winning isn’t your priority, you make silly decisions

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  8. fmj

    7 years ago

    If not ending up with the Yankees is a priority, the why in the heck are they not allowing teams a window to negotiate an extension?!? that makes no sense at all. Maybe now we are getting a peek into the mindset of a guy who doesn’t know how to run a baseball franchise.

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    • prich

      7 years ago

      TBH they can give a window, but they are clearly not confident that Machado is willing to accept any extension.

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    • gatewaytothebest

      7 years ago

      Because he could tell potential teams that he still may test free agency and will not guarantee an extension and that lowers his current value if a team cannot get more than a one year rental.

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      • jred1979

        7 years ago

        Does any team really believe he’ll sign an extension anyway? The White Sox already made their offer assuming 2018 only, and I’m willing to bet the same is true for every single offer made. Eliminating the window merely takes a few teams out of the running.

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    • FOmeOLS

      7 years ago

      Because Manny doesn’t want an extension, if you make the trade contingent on an extension, it’s not going to happen, because no matter what Mandie wants to test the free-agent market

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      • fmj

        7 years ago

        you throw 13/400 at him and he takes it

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          7 years ago

          He’ll easily get that in free agency fam. And he’ll get to choose who he gets it from.

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  9. prich

    7 years ago

    Phillies will be actual second place team if this gets done. Wiz Kids are taking over the NL East in 2019. Machado is very good and if you get him locked up, give up Crawford, Grullon, Eflin, Pivetta, and Kilome. O’s want pitching and I can’t see any other team giving up more controllable MLB ready arms. Also gotta put an OF in the trade for Baltimore

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    • ilovelamp

      7 years ago

      I don’t mind the Phillies locking him down. It reduces the chances they can steal Trout from the Angels after 2020.

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      • prich

        7 years ago

        Hahah takes a lot to bring 100% down. Sorry but I think Trout truly wants to be a Philly, maybe Angels will be in Oriole’s position

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  10. stl_cards16 2

    7 years ago

    If you want to make sure he doesn’t end up a Yankee, doesn’t allowing a negotiating window make even more sense?

    I doubt Machado would agree to any extension, but it wouldn’t hurt to at least let them talk.

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    • RedFeather

      7 years ago

      I don’t even know why that’s a factor? If a team trades for him tomorrow, they will have 10 months to negotiate an extension

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      • nashvillecardsfan

        7 years ago

        Trade would be contingent on an extension being reached.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          7 years ago

          So in short the trade won’t happen

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        • thefenwayfaithful 2

          7 years ago

          I agree but that severely limits what Baltimore can ask for. At this point they will have to take the best offer available because there’s no reason for them to cough up his salary for a season in which they are clear underdogs.

          No team is giving up more than two really high end prospects on a 1 year rental. If the team says we will give him a $300m/10 year deal and give you 4 or 5 high end prospects, I’d let them talk. A Machado deal with an extension is a great way to field a very competitive team in 2-3 years for Baltimore. Trading him as just a rental seems like they would be selling themselves very short.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          7 years ago

          They don’t have the right to trade him as anything other than just a rental!!!!!

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      • manbearpuig

        7 years ago

        Manny signing/negotiating an extension with a potential suitor will determine what the Orioles get in return

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        • RedFeather

          7 years ago

          Yeah but if a team gets Manny they still have plenty of time to negotiate.. as long as they are in his ballpark.

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        • jeremyr

          7 years ago

          You’re missing the point. Teams don’t want to trade their best prospects for Machado for just a year.

          They want an extension, then a trade

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      • brucewayne

        7 years ago

        Exactly !

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    • JKB 2

      7 years ago

      It does not make sense at all. Machado is not signing an extension with a 72 hour window to a team Baltimore chooses period.

      So if an extension window is part of it then the deal needs to be negotiated based upon him signing an extension and in that case the price goes way up. Why waste time negotiating that talent swap then when its not gonna happen

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      • jred1979

        7 years ago

        Time wasted is more valuable than the huge increase in prospect quality? Interesting. I completely agree that the price goes through the roof, but I’d rather get multiple top prospects.

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    • 22222pete

      7 years ago

      They dont want him ending up as a Yankee as a result of their actions (trade) since fans will blame them. If Manny signs with Yankees then its on him and fans cant blame the Orioles management (except for being too poor to afford him)

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  11. yanks02026

    7 years ago

    What a horribly ran team, if a team is willing to give a good offer then it shouldn’t matter if that team is in your division or not. Why don’t you do what’s best for your team

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    • stl_cards16 2

      7 years ago

      Meh, I agree. But the Orioles are certainly not the only team who doesn’t want to trade a star player to a division rival. You see it all the time.

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    • agentx

      7 years ago

      Teams certainly balk at in-division trades, but I don’t remember too many times an owner handcuffs his GM by wanting a deal that somehow ensures the player isn’t subsequently flipped to a specific divisional rival.

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      • Joe Kerr

        7 years ago

        yep, makes no sense to me at all. clearly the Yankees are better than the O’s wether Manny goes there or not. They would be better served trading him directly to the Yankees and picking off 3 or 4 of their better prospects which would hurt the Yankees in the long run watching their former players beat them when the O’s are ready to compete, and that’s especially true if Manny doesn’t sign an extension with them.

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    • Dannydeman

      7 years ago

      Yeah I’m sure they don’t really want to see their franchise cornerstone show up like what 10 times a year at their stadium in their rivals uniform. And besides optics obviously trading that caliper of a player to a division rival could haunt them for a decade to come

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    • paosfan

      7 years ago

      If the team is so horrible, how come they had the most wins in the AL for 3 years before 2017?

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  12. FOmeOLS

    7 years ago

    Remember, there is nothing so simple that it cannot be screwed up by incompetence.
    Recalcitrance has the same negative affect.

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  13. sufferforsnakes

    7 years ago

    So, how long does this one drag on?

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  14. Aldo estrada

    7 years ago

    Padres need a SS stopgap. If no top 100 guys included in deal go for it.

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    • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

      7 years ago

      Why would the Padres give up any prospects (even marginal prospects) for someone who won’t be part of the next good Padres team!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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      • Aldo estrada

        7 years ago

        Because you can reflip or tender a QO and a star even for 1 yr will also bring in fans. Wouldnt give quality prospects but some decent pitchers for a SS im down

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          7 years ago

          The prospect recouped by flipping two months of him or the pick from the QO would be nowhere near as good as what we’d have to give up to get him, okay Einstein? And none of this “bring in fans” hogwash. That was the logic they used for trading for Matt Kemp.

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        • Joe Kerr

          7 years ago

          yep, totally agree and if they held him to get the pick they are basically paying 17 million for an extra pick that could be a total bust. That’s just not good business

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          That depends on how the player acquired plays. Don’t hug your #29 prospect too hard his chances of being a useful big leaguer aren’t very good.

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  15. agentx

    7 years ago

    Hey, Angelos… if you don’t want the Yankees to get Machado in 2018, then DON’T TRADE HIM. See how simple that is?

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  16. Yankeepatriot

    7 years ago

    Baltimore must not want an extension window because this way they can rack up on some prospects and try to resign him in the off season. If they don’t they get a draft pick

    They know they will probably lose him but they have nothing to lose by trying. Smart thinking by the o’s imo. If they are afraid of him extending with the Yankees the threat of them signing him still looms next off season anyway

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  17. AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

    7 years ago

    Lol what’s Angelos gonna do a year from now? He can’t stop the Yankees from offering Machado the most money next offseason and he can’t stop Machado from taking it.

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    • Yankeepatriot

      7 years ago

      Exactly!!!! On a side note I would rather use that machado money on a great pitcher

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    • jred1979

      7 years ago

      Only sure way to prevent Machado going to the Yankees in 2019 is if he signs an extension with someone else.

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      • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

        7 years ago

        And Machado should do that because…?

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        • jred1979

          7 years ago

          Oh, I see no reason for Machado to sign anything less than a market deal in an extension. I don’t think he’s doing anything wrong. Angelos is an idiot. If he doesn’t want to chance Machado in pinstripes, he needs to allow a window or offer him enough to extend him in Baltimore. Could still fail, but has a much better chance than his current strategy.

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        • paosfan

          7 years ago

          Probably a ploy to make NY pay market value for their team this year and go over the cap.

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      • mehs

        7 years ago

        That doesn’t prevent the team who he signed the extension with from trading him to the Yankees. The only way for the Orioles to prevent him from going to the Yankees is for them to sign him to an extension.

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  18. mike156

    7 years ago

    This is actually good for the Yankees. A year for them to not pay that salary and possibly get under the cap, and see what their options are for 3B.

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    • ctguy

      7 years ago

      It doesn’t matter if the Orioles won’t trade Machado to the Yankees. Angelos still has a team that won’t win many this year. He would be smart to start rebuilding now.

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    • canadianyankee

      7 years ago

      I agree…Andujar and Torres have a ton of potential and could very well be the 2018 version of Judge and Severino

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  19. eelektrik

    7 years ago

    Angels seriously need to surprise everyone and trade for and extend Machado. They seriously need a better third base option than Valbuena.

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  20. ZantiGM

    7 years ago

    Not to call anyone a liar but i do not believe orioles have received 10-plus offers-much more likely 4-5 teams have realistic interest/offers

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    • Yankeepatriot

      7 years ago

      Considering that he has only one year of control I can see 10 offers being made

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    • JKB 2

      7 years ago

      Phillip its probably ten teams including teams that are asking for extension offer

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    • martyvan90

      7 years ago

      Agreed

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  21. jdodson1822

    7 years ago

    Don’t sleep on Eppler

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  22. Ryan Daughety

    7 years ago

    Honestly, the Cardinals seem like the best fit for Machado. He can play shortstop there and the Cardinals have tons of prospects any team would like to have.

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    • Yankeepatriot

      7 years ago

      If the cards are willing to spend the money needed to keep him I totally agree

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  23. LetsGetRickarded

    7 years ago

    It will be a very happy day in Baltimore when Angelos is gone.

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  24. AllRiseForTheJudge

    7 years ago

    As a Yankees fan, I don’t even WANT Machado. We have a righty-heavy lineup now and could use a lefty to play 2nd or 3rd, or both. With that said, how is Angelos going to stop any other team from trading Machado to the Yankees?

    He either has to give an extension window for some team to offer Manny a Brinks truck full of cash, or hold onto him for the year. There’s no way to guarantee another team not turning around an hour later and flipping him to The Bronx.

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  25. canajay12

    7 years ago

    Crazy to not trade him to NY if that’s the best offer. Get the most for your team in the deal and forget the rest. Who’s to say if you trade him elsewhere he doesn’t just sign in NY after the season anyways.

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    • FromTheJuicingEra

      7 years ago

      I would bet that Manny WANTS to play for the Yankees. We all saw Stanton waive is no trade clause to go there. These guys want to win and the Yankees go get what they need to win.

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    • Dodgethis

      7 years ago

      Having by to face him regularly, as well as the merchandising/marketing aspect, means an inter division trade would have to be leagues ahead of ant other offer, and even then, optics are everything in the entertainment industry.

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  26. canadianyankee

    7 years ago

    The confusing part is why does Angelos care if he plays for the Yankees or not? You’ve already made it clear that the O’s aren’t going to be competitive for a long long time…does he not want to see him 18 times? Why is there not the same mandate for the Red Sox, Rays or Jays (yes I realize the latter 2 have no shot of getting him)…what is his beef with NYY? Does he not like Cashman? Steinbrenner?

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    • jacobywankenobi 2

      7 years ago

      Angelos has a special hatred for NY, he actually lets it impact his decision making. In reality, yeah, he should take the best package any team offers because his team is trash and they need all the help they can get.

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      • kaido24

        7 years ago

        A lot of people have a special hatred of the Yankees i doubt it’s limited to Angelos.

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        • baseball365

          7 years ago

          Yeah but few run a sports franchise worth in the range of $1B USD. So acting like a 6 year old with a pocket full of sand is pathetic. That’s the point. Not how many hate the Yanks.

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      • AllRiseForTheJudge

        7 years ago

        But that doesn’t stop any other team from flipping Manny to the Yankees. I don’t want him, personally, but there’s nothing stopping a team like, I don’t know, the Pirates, from sending over prospects for Machado and then flipping him to the Yankees for Clint Frazier or something like that.

        I don’t understand why Angelos is trying to force any potential trade partner to NOT flip Machado to the Yankees, and how he would go about enforcing that.

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    • cxcx

      7 years ago

      Yankees are the Orioles’ biggest rivals.

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  27. iwonderifthisnameworks

    7 years ago

    What about a 10 year deal for 330-350, that is slightly frontloaded with an opt out after 4 years? 4 years of Manny would be worth good prospects, and he gets security, the feeling he can opt out and make more money, while making huge money early on.

    If he’s bad, he still has a lot of money to fall back on, and it won’t hurt the team signing him as much.

    But I probably don’t know what I’m talking about

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    • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

      7 years ago

      How about he waits out free agency?

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      • Pax vobiscum

        7 years ago

        How about he gets injured or his play sucks and his value declines? He’ll really feel bad leaving that coin on the table.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          7 years ago

          You mean like how Chapman got injured and his value declined after he didn’t take an extension from the Cubs?

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        • Priggs89

          7 years ago

          More like when Desmond left $100mil on the table.

          Luckily, for him, he made good on a 1 year prove it deal with the Rangers to trick Colorado into giving him big money. I don’t think that’s the path any player wants to take.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          7 years ago

          Yes, because that is guaranteed (or even likely) to happen to Machado.

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        • Priggs89

          7 years ago

          Did I say it was guaranteed (or even likely) to happen to Machado?

          Just saying it’s a possibility, and it wouldn’t be the first time it happened.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          7 years ago

          He’s not taking an extension.

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          The west coast wait for free agency Ryan. We got it. Some guys will take the guarantee if they like where they are and the moneys right. It’s already been rumored about Boras potential getting one of these guys locked up so he’s not flooding the market. Could be Machado we’ll see.

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        • brucewayne

          7 years ago

          Yup! Heard it all before! Most times he’ll be right, BUT not always! Just look at the Justin Upton case with the Angels! Hmmmm….

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          7 years ago

          Lol so the one time I get it wrong because Justin Upton made an incredibly stupid decision is your whole argument. All the other times I’ve been right are my argument.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          7 years ago

          “If the money’s right.” If a team is willing to offer that much money then they will be able to sign him in free agency and keep all their prospects.

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  28. dust44

    7 years ago

    Obviously the owner knows he wants to play for the Yankees.

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  29. AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

    7 years ago

    I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. If anything, Cashman should be the one hesitant to trade for Machado. He only gets him for a year while he has to give up impact prospects then face those impact prospects for potentially the next decade.

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  30. venom

    7 years ago

    The orioles and their owner have to be the dumbest in the league. No team is going to give their top prospects for a one year rental. Yankees don’t need him and his fragile knee anyway. If they don’t allow teams a 72 hour window to extend then they’ll get nothing and he’ll be able to choose where he goes next year. If I was machado I wouldn’t sign an extension anyway I’d want to test the market next year! Orioles won’t win anything for a while with that kind of management mentality!

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    • FromTheJuicingEra

      7 years ago

      Teams trade top prospects for 3 month rentals during every July deadline. It’s going to take a team that truly believes getting Manny puts them in contention. If that team isn’t in contention come July, then flip him for prospects in return. Doesn’t seem that complex.

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    • justin-turner overdrive

      7 years ago

      “Fragile knee” – that fragile knee that’s caused him to miss 11 total games over the last 3 seasons? You come off as quite the laughingstock by soft-claiming that a player has injury woes when he’s played 97.7% of the games over the last 3 seasons.

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  31. baseball365

    7 years ago

    Serious question as someone who doesn’t follow the Orioles that much, what’s the deal with Angelos? Obviously successful and would think a talented business person, but I’ve never quite understand his stance on the baseball side of things. Why restrict your own market by prohibiting a 72 hour negotiating window? The Orioles stuff is always just so bizarre.

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    • venom

      7 years ago

      I feel bad for oriole fans They are not going to continue for a long time with that kind of management

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      • venom

        7 years ago

        *contend

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    • Yankeepatriot

      7 years ago

      He can’t stand my Yankees for numerous reasons from what I’ve seen over the years. He might be afraid of us extending him and getting his rear end kickd by what would be his former all star infielder for years

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    • beard

      7 years ago

      A lot of local people really dislike Angelos and the (bad) baseball decisions hes made over the past 20 years. His mishandling of the team is a big reason why many long time Orioles fans started following the Nationals when they came to town. Sad thing is, Baltimore used to be a really good baseball town (and still would be with a better run organization).

      You are not wrong for having difficulty finding logic in the things he does.

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      • Yankeepatriot

        7 years ago

        His signing of Davis and to that contract is just one of the many Ofd things he has done

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  32. tenaciouslee39

    7 years ago

    Why wouldn’t they want to give anyone a 72 hour window, does anyone know?

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    • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

      7 years ago

      Because it’d be pointless

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  33. sals029

    7 years ago

    Orioles ownership is involved and it’s become a hot mess. Who could have seen that coming?

    A 72 hour window is a waste of time. Manny isn’t signing an extension this close to FA. Why should the Os agree to a trade contingent on something that isn’t going to happen?

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  34. Cubbie Steve

    7 years ago

    If you don’t want the Yankees to end up with him, then allow the teams a negotiating window. Not wanting to give teams a window and not wanting him to end up getting flipped to the Yankees seem like competing interests.

    I really only see a team like the Cardinals making a one-season trade. They have an arrogance about them where they feel if they get a player for a year they can then get that player to sign long-term. They tried it with Heyward…

    If there’s an extension window, the Phillies make some sense.

    Not many teams are going to have the prospect capital to pay the price of acquiring him more than one year (the extension window price) plus the monster contract it would take to get him to forego free agency. It would almost be like Stanton 2.0 except without the huge power numbers, the much better defensive and positional value, and being a few years younger and without the injury history.

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  35. notsofast

    7 years ago

    To the Nats for Trea Turner.

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    • gorav114

      7 years ago

      Lol, throw in Strasburg and you got a deal!

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      • notsofast

        7 years ago

        Haha! Someone used your head as a bottle jack…

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      • jdgoat

        7 years ago

        You’re joking right?

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        • gorav114

          7 years ago

          Yes sir

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  36. gorav114

    7 years ago

    Where as Angelos ever said he won’t trade to the Yankees? No team prefers to trade within division. Yankees include Torres and I’m sure a trade would go down.

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  37. Salvatore Abbate

    7 years ago

    By making It public they don’t want him to go to the Yankees, next offseason they will do everything they can to sign him and stick I️t to them. And i can’t wait for that to happen, or for him to hit homers in Baltimore for the Yankees

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    • justin-turner overdrive

      7 years ago

      Classy.

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  38. vinscully16

    7 years ago

    The O’s are looking for a team that will not trade Machado to New York? Boston. Let’s hope Dombrowski is more intrigued than he was by Stanton.

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  39. acerulli1

    7 years ago

    The insistence on no negotiation window must be coming from Machado and/or his agent, right?

    If the O’s are so desperate to keep him from the Yanks then the most obvious way to do so is to trade him to someone who agrees to like a decade long contract as part of the trade, isn’t it? Plus, that also maximizes Baltimore’s return.

    Obviously, Manny WANTS to hit the open market. And why not? Who knows how many millions he might be leaving on the table by negotiating with only 1 team?

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  40. kaido24

    7 years ago

    In division trades of stars are rare. I couldn’t imagine the Reds trading Joey Votto to the Cubs or Cardinals for instance. So i don’t see the Orioles ever trading him to the Yankees.

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    • justin-turner overdrive

      7 years ago

      Yes! Totally true.

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    • gorav114

      7 years ago

      But for some reason they insist on including the Os won’t trade to Yankees narrative in every Machado post.

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  41. FromTheJuicingEra

    7 years ago

    Like the Yankees can’t beat the O’s without Manny?!? Seriously? Angelos needs to go! Get the best you can for Manny while you can, from whoever makes the best offer, period!

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  42. Aj5258

    7 years ago

    I guess I’m confused. If the O’s allow a window to negotiate what does it hurt? A waste of time? What happens if the conversation goes like this….

    Machado…I’m not signing until I’m a free agent
    Team…We are offering 10years/400 million
    Machado…Let’s talk

    Waste of time?

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    • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

      7 years ago

      Actually Machado would then say something like “If that’s what you’re offering me when you’re the only ones allowed to talk to me, there’s no telling what you’ll offer me with 29 other teams driving up my price. No extension for you!”

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      • Pax vobiscum

        7 years ago

        The problem is 29 different teams don’t have the financial ability to make the offer. Didn’t you ever learn about the present value of money?

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          7 years ago

          I got a B.S. in Finance FYI. And even if all 30 teams can’t afford him, he’s not going to get the most money by limiting the market to just one team.

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        • brucewayne

          7 years ago

          U mean like Justin Upton did with the Angels? U r not always right in these cases!

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          7 years ago

          Drop it.

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      • brucewayne

        7 years ago

        What? You have no idea what Machado is going to say! That’s ridiculous ! LoL

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          7 years ago

          Sure I do

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  43. ThePriceWasRight

    7 years ago

    I would assume the blue jays have put in an offer since Atkins is adamant they want to compete in 2018. Move Machado to SS and Tulo to 2b.

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  44. rocketfish19

    7 years ago

    Refuse to deal him to the team that figures to offer the best deal? Get over it. Grit your teeth and get the best deal for your future.

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  45. cjuluca

    7 years ago

    Should of extended Machado two years ago. Instead Angelos pissed away $150 million on Davis.

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    • bucnole31658

      7 years ago

      He doesn’t want to be sign he wasn’t signing

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  46. mtnorth5

    7 years ago

    says the poster child for abortions.

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  47. beachclan

    7 years ago

    Yeah right, someone’s going to give you 2 top pitchers to have the services of Machado for 1 year? What’s Angelos thinking? He’s trying to do what the White Sox did with Sale or Quintana. However, each of them had a few years left on their contracts and thus could demand better prospects. Not just one year like Machado!

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  48. Kraycik

    7 years ago

    The Ole Angelos Curse.
    One of the best trades the Orioles ever made was with the Yankees bringing back Rick Dempsey, Scott MacGregor and Tippy Martinez. I recall all three sticking around for quite a while.
    Mr Angelos (master negotiator) Should have flipped Manny last year. But Nooooooooo
    You go with the best deal NOW or the best deal in July. Roll the dice dumbass

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    • ThePriceWasRight

      7 years ago

      the same stupidity is in the front office of the blue jays with JD

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  49. national pastime

    7 years ago

    If this is true asking White Sox not to trade him to Yankees Angelos will be fined a huge amount of money. You can’t tell a team not to trade a player to another team. What a moron. Can’t wait to see the fine.

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    • jd396

      7 years ago

      “We’re not going to trade him to you if you’re just going to flip him to the Yankees.”

      What rule exactly did that sentence that break?

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      • Priggs89

        7 years ago

        “Ok, we won’t flip him to the Yankees.”

        Then flip him to the Yankees.

        Seriously though, Hahn is NOT looking to get Machado as a flip candidate. If he does get Machado, he might end up flipping him at the deadline, but that is not his intention. He REALLY wants Machado on the White Sox when they become relevant again.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          7 years ago

          Trading for Machado now won’t make that happen tho

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        • Priggs89

          7 years ago

          Maybe, maybe not. We’ll see.

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        • seth3120

          7 years ago

          WestCoast do you think Machado will sign an extension or wait until free agency? I enjoyed reading your comments driving home the fact that he will make more money on the open market. Which is correct but I don’t think you have any way of knowing if he’s unwilling to sign an extension prior to free agency. Manny Machado himself might not even be able to answer that. Sometimes guys are fully ready to hit the open market and decide to sign. Maybe he goes somewhere he never even considered playing before and he absolutely loves it. They offer him something that’s right there in that ballpark of what he could expect to get in free agency. Maybe it’s a little less but he doesn’t care he’s happy and that’s what he decides he wants. It happens in baseball plenty. I’m not saying it’s going to go down that way you could be right and maybe the odds are that’s what he does. But your not Manny Machado and you don’t have the slightest idea what he might value over leaving some money on the table

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        • brucewayne

          7 years ago

          There are always exception to the rule in the free agency situation that he keeps preaching about ALL THE TIME! But he’s not always right. Justin Upton with the Angels proved that !

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          7 years ago

          Not even the slightest chance Machado takes an extension.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          7 years ago

          You need to let it go. Really.

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  50. reflect

    7 years ago

    Would the Orioles and Team X be allowed to specifically agree that Machado won’t be traded by Team X to the Yankees?

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    • jd396

      7 years ago

      I’d say the only way you could really get that to happen would be to let them negotiate an extension, which, for a player like Machado, will almost certainly have a NTC.

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  51. hunsley2

    7 years ago

    If a player with an opt out clause uses it, does the remaning contract count as a qualifying offer? Or is the team left without compensation?

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  52. bernbabybern

    7 years ago

    No problem.

    O’s trade Machado to Some Team and tell them they must promise to not flip him to the Yankees.

    Some Team agrees.

    Some Team flips Machado to the Marlins for Yelich.

    Jete flips Machado to the Yankees.

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  53. Joe Kerr

    7 years ago

    I feel bad for O’s fans

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  54. Iago407

    7 years ago

    If Angelos wants to avoid the Yankees getting Machado, then why not give a team that wants him a negotiating period? My even put in a clause that if a long term deal is worked out, the O’s get a specific prospect or something along those lines, or is that against the rules?

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    • algionfriddo

      7 years ago

      I would hope the players union strongly opposes owners putting stipulations on players whose rights have been traded away. Angelos is goofy.

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  55. jmocubsfan832

    7 years ago

    If Angelos is willing to do anything to keep him out of Yankee pinstripes, give the Cubs a 72 hour window to negotiate an extension, and agree to take Heyward back in the deal (assuming he’d waive the no trade).

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    • ThePriceWasRight

      7 years ago

      Angelos isn’t willing to do anything. If he was he’d offer 10 years and 385 million to start

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      • jmocubsfan832

        7 years ago

        I don’t believe Machado wants to be there.

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    • seth3120

      7 years ago

      I’m trying to understand this trade proposal you’ve suggested involving Jason Heyward. I have to assume your making a joke that the Orioles should help the Cubs free up some cash to sign their star player by taking on one of the worst contracts in baseball for them. What’s the window for lol? If they will take Heyward for Machado their is no window needed haha. I think the Cubs would be ok with losing Heyward and that virtually dead money for one year of one of the best players in baseball wouldn’t you agree? Look out Jed Hoyer we have ourselves a gm in the making he’s pulling off some amazing steals

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      • JKB 2

        7 years ago

        @seth

        Hilarious and well said

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    • JKB 2

      7 years ago

      Problem is I do not think anyone in their right mind would waive a no trade to go to Baltimore

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  56. Ichiro51

    7 years ago

    it should not matter if he goes to the Yanks or not. If your mission succeeds and he is not on the Yankees and you somehow get the prospects you want. Any alternative that Yankees get in either third base or any other position is going to hurt you just as much or worse. Even if you do trade him to the Yankees, you are not going to be competitive in the next couple of years and you are still getting a return in prospects anyways.

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    • Dannydeman

      7 years ago

      I think it matters a little though lol. You don’t really want the face of your franchise coming into your ball park 10 times a year for the next decade crushing home runs against you wearing pin stripes lol

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  57. jd396

    7 years ago

    If you don’t want him to go to the Yankees why not let the teams negotiate an extension

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  58. jljr222

    7 years ago

    I don’t get the idea of messing with your franchise out of fear of another franchise. Why would Manny playing against them in 2018 be any more important than him playing against them in a Yankees uniform in 2019 and beyond? That’s also no guarantee either. It kind of boggles my mind that anyone would want to run their team this way.

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  59. sportsjunkie24

    7 years ago

    The yankees could give them the best haul for machado because they need a 3b and they have loads of top prospects angelos need to put his feelings aside and trade him to the yankees

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    • bucnole31658

      7 years ago

      Andjuar is really good so you don’t give up much for a player who wants to fb in NY anyways

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  60. denistaylor

    7 years ago

    I don’t believe he has the right to restrict the movement of another team’s player after a trade.

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  61. national pastime

    7 years ago

    It doesn’t matter where he trades him if he trades at all. The Yankees will sign him to a 6 year 200 million dollar deal.

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    • Priggs89

      7 years ago

      Double the years and money and you’d probably be a lot closer…

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    • FromTheJuicingEra

      7 years ago

      It’ll be more than $200 million. He’s going to get atleast $300 million.

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    • jljr222

      7 years ago

      I’m going to say 12 years at $396MM.

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      • Trevor 3

        7 years ago

        That is a crap load amount of money.

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      • bucnole31658

        7 years ago

        Machado 12/300 Harper 12/400

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    • bucnole31658

      7 years ago

      12 yrs 300 l

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  62. Trevor 3

    7 years ago

    So Angelos doesn’t want to face Machado in pinstripes 19 times a season but facing Judge is ok? I would care more about bettering my club.

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  63. white_sox9195

    7 years ago

    Im hoping White Sox don’t trade Kopech he’s the real deal I wouldn’t even trade Giolito either.

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    • Priggs89

      7 years ago

      Hahn isn’t dumb. Kopech isn’t getting traded for a rental.

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      • Rallyshirt

        7 years ago

        Rosenthal just straight faced one of them is on the table.

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        • Priggs89

          7 years ago

          I don’t doubt that Giolito could be on the table. I don’t think it’s likely, but it certainly could happen. On the other hand, I’m 99.99999% sure that Hahn won’t trade Kopech for a rental. Again, he’s not dumb.

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  64. halos101

    7 years ago

    Thank goodness i am not an Orioles fan. Seriously, what in the world is the benefit of not allowing an extension negotiation window? If anything it lowers the chance of him being flipped to new york. And the refusal to enter the international market is a joke and makes it pretty clear it is a terribly run team.

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    • JKB 2

      7 years ago

      Worse run team in baseball

      Reply
  65. Codybellingersgrandma

    7 years ago

    If machado is worth 350 million what do you guys think my boy bellinger will be worth in the future?

    Reply
    • bucnole31658

      7 years ago

      Not what Machado is because he isn’t as good and isn’t an elite 3b

      Reply
      • bucnole31658

        7 years ago

        6 years away

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    • dust44

      7 years ago

      Bellingers current pace if he can keep it up. He will be worth around the same Machado and Harper get. I think if Seager can stay at short he’s actually more valuable

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  66. Royaltyz

    7 years ago

    If the O’s don’t want him going to the Yanks, there is only one team that pretty much guaranteed he wont go to the yanks this year and maybe beyond, and that’s the red sox, i don’t think they can offer even close to the best package of the teams though

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  67. bucnole31658

    7 years ago

    If Cashmam can pull of Machado with Stanton Judge Didi Glyber Floral or Frazier Sanchez and Harper who might as well have signed in NY already. Harper will will play 1st

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    • dust44

      7 years ago

      What? Harper will play 1st?? If. And it’s a big IF Clint Frazier can play CF then u r wanting them to keep 5 Outfielders and move probably the 2nd most athletic one to 1st lol. If and it’s another big IF they get Harper he will play LF with Judge and Stanton rotating in RF and DH. I can’t c Harper signing on to play a position he’s never played. And who knows Stanton may like the DH spot this season and b a full time hitter. And I think it’s more realistic to suggest one of Judge or Stanton move to part time 1B with Bird. Everyone seems to write Bird off. But he’s a really solid player who will b the 1B for the Yanks for along time.

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  68. mistertmo

    7 years ago

    I’m thinking the no-trade-to-the-Yankees piece is posturing. They have the best prospects to send, and the Orioles aren’t going to contend this year anyway. I’d send a a guy I control for one year to a team that will use him against me for one year in exchange for three guys who will beat them 3-5 years from now any day.

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  69. soxtober05

    7 years ago

    So…..
    Angelos wants to make a trade.
    Fair enough. Trade your commodity. Receive your payment (whatever it is).
    But DON’T try and tell another front office executive what they can do (or NOT do) with what you deal to them.
    That’d be like a team trading for cash consideration being told “now, you CAN’T spend this money on something that will benefit YOUR teams future chances.. ESPECIALLY if it involves one of my division rivals…”

    Angelos, if you are THAT retentive and sensitive towards the heat that can be The Hot Stove; then MAYBE you should LEAVE THE KITCHEN!

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  70. Voice of Reason

    7 years ago

    If Machado goes anywhere it’s to the Cardinals.

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  71. Yankeepatriot

    7 years ago

    We have had the ohtani saga, the Stanton saga, the mat Albers saga (still going) and now the latest chapter in the off season wars

    The machado saga

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  72. Yankeepatriot

    7 years ago

    I can honestly see the diamond backs wining the west without machado. I like the dodgers but I’m weary of their starting rotation unless they bring a guy like darvish back. Their bullpen took a big hit by losing Morrow too (he might have just been lighting in a bottle for one year but still). If they do get machado they are a bigger threat in the NL

    Reply
    • sandman12

      7 years ago

      You do know that Jake Lamb hit much better than Machado last year, right?

      Reply
      • Yankeepatriot

        7 years ago

        Much better ? No. Similar numbers but machado had a down year

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  73. Annihilus

    7 years ago

    This reporting is confusing. Originally, it was said Baltimore wouldn’t trade Machado to the Yankees. Then Angelos himself said on the radio in order to improve his ball club the most they’d have to look at trading Manny to any club, including within the division. And now once again it comes out he’s not ok trading with the Yankees. But I fail to see sources for this.

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    • dust44

      7 years ago

      Pretty sure… I may b wrong. But didn’t he trade Andrew Miller to the Yanks?

      Reply
      • Yankeepatriot

        7 years ago

        We signed him as a free agent

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      • bradthebluefish

        7 years ago

        Red Sox trade Miller to the Orioles. In the offseason, the Yankees signed Miller to a four year deal. Then within two years of the deal, the Yankees traded Miller to the Indians.

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      • national pastime

        7 years ago

        No the Red Sox traded him to Orioles for Eduardo Rodriguez and then the Yankees signed him as a free Agent.

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  74. bradthebluefish

    7 years ago

    “The number of teams involved may be hampered by Baltimore’s refusal to allow a 72-hour window for a new team to talk to Machado’s agents about a possible extension.”

    Then let the other teams talk to Machado! It’s not like the Orioles have been or will be able to sign Machado to an extension.

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    • Yankeepatriot

      7 years ago

      Not to mention even with the window machado can easily say he doesn’t want an extension

      Reply
    • michaelw

      7 years ago

      You don’t get it. It’s not like Balt is saying you can’t talk to Mach for a 72 hour Ext.

      The deal is teams are saying ok will trade you this guy, that guy, this. But we want 72 hours to try to get an extension with him. If he says no or a deal can’t be reached for an extension in the 72 hours window then the deal is off and void no trade. That what the deal is here. Balt knows Macho not doing an extension so no use of even wasting time, paper and money on it. They are only going to deal with a team who wants him one year and won’t trade to the AL Eastvin s flip flop. So goes a lot of those 10 teams.

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  75. national pastime

    7 years ago

    Peter Angelos should be fined and suspended. He’s a disgrace to MLB. Maybe if he go’s the Orioles can get back to being a relative team again. How can you make a provision to teams that they can’t trade with the Yankees. It’s doesn’t matter because that’s where he’s going to end up. Maybe not in 2018 but for sure in 2019.

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    • michaelw

      7 years ago

      Haven’t you ever heard the phrase the right to refuse service. He has every right not to trade with the Yankees or anyone else for that matter. His choice. We’re do u get the fine or fired. It’s called freedom of speech and freedom to do whatever he wishes. Who are the Yankees. You think they are special and everyone has to kiss their @$$.
      If I were teams I make them buy every free agency and no one trade with them. Personally.

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      • santosPinkyToe

        7 years ago

        Harper will be in Wrigley and Machado will be wearing Dodger Blue or in Boston.

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        • yanks02026

          7 years ago

          Zero chance machado goes to boston

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    • michaelw

      7 years ago

      Wishful thinking. You really think the Yankees are going to blow over 1/2 billion dollars next year in FA. Your very stupid or just a dumb Yankee fan with delusions. Not going to happen. You blew your wad on Stranton. Yankees are trying to get under Lux tax not over it. Don’t forget all the young players you have sign up and coming not to mention Salary alb. Who’s a funny moose? Yankees better hope they win a WS in the next 2 years or everyone will be looking to Cashman why he blew 250 million for nothing.

      Reply
      • Annihilus

        7 years ago

        The Yankees will not be spending 1/2 billion on 1 player. They will probably spend $350 million to land Machado. The perception in the industry was that the Yankees have been preparing themselves for this offseason for quite some time. Thus the reason to get under the luxury tax for THIS year. Most believed the Yankees were lining up to get both Harper and Machado. Now that they have Stanton, Harper looks to be a luxury they don’t need. But as far a Machado! He will be a Yankee.

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    • 22222pete

      7 years ago

      Orioles have been one of the more successful teams over the last 6 years. Ran into a bit of bad luck last year with injuries and down years. Made the LDS or higher 1 more time than the Yankees and only 7 fewer wins despite half the payroll of the Yankees.

      Surely more teams than the Yankees should be in on a future HOFer making less than half his market value even if for only 1 year.

      If MLB was not trying to rip Angelos off over MASN maybe they could afford to sign him

      In any event, Angelos is aware his fan base would not like a trade direct with the Yankees. Given the tepid interest in Manny even allowing the Yankees to extend Manny probably does not get them anymore than Stanton got Jeter

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  76. acmeants

    7 years ago

    Braves give Orioles 3 years of Teheran for 1 year of Machado and a pocketful of cash.

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    • Yankeepatriot

      7 years ago

      Why are Braves fans so desprate to trade him every year ? Lol

      Reply
      • thegamedr

        7 years ago

        Cause he’s a bit unreliable?

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      • acmeants

        7 years ago

        He needs a change of scenery. He wins on the road but not at home.

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    • Cam

      7 years ago

      At this stage, the Braves will be lucky to get a bucket of balls for Teheran.

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  77. 22222pete

    7 years ago

    Seems to be an anti-Angelo’s bias in the reporting here.

    Stanton had multiple years control but did not yield even a top 100 prospect. Fact is extensions reduce much of a players surplus value and would not yield the Orioles much more in return.

    Ozuna had more surplus value and 1 more year of control than Manny and still did not provide the Marlins with a top 100 prospect. Fact of the matter is trades at this time of year dont always yield a great return

    If the two most interested teams as being reported constantly without mention of the source are one team who has not felt fit to make a formal offer and the other team who has not offered any top prospects then Manny will be staying in Baltimore.

    Kind of sounds like the Orioles are being colluded against to get Manny to the Yankees because 1 year of Manny should be pretty valuable to any number of teams

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    • thegamedr

      7 years ago

      Stanton deal was a financial issue…if a team would had given top prospects then they’d have taken much less of the salary…

      Reply
  78. Clint Thomas

    7 years ago

    i dont see them trading Machado yet. The (contending) teams that need him wont give up anyone good for someone they can buy next winter.

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  79. 66TheNumberOfTheBest

    7 years ago

    Diamondbacks being involved is interesting. Might they try to get Machado to then flip him to the Yankees IF they take back Greinke’s deal, too?

    Reply
    • mnasser34

      7 years ago

      no. i think they’ll keep him and try to make a run at a championship than trade greinke if they don’t go deep in the post season .

      Reply
  80. Admin3 MLBrumormill

    7 years ago

    W Sox emerging as a surprise team in Yu Darvish sweeps.

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    • rit2940

      7 years ago

      Please understand with the Yanks and Dodgers both about to get under the tax this year . Machado and Harper won’t sign with anyone before they hit free agency . Machado will be a Yankee and harper will be a Dodger.

      Reply
  81. thegamedr

    7 years ago

    Why would the WhiteSox trade for one year of Machado? Doesn’t make any sense whatsoever…

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  82. IronBallsMcGinty

    7 years ago

    So is all this “Baltimore moving Machado” just to make room for Rafael Palmeiro?

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  83. AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

    7 years ago

    I’m thinking that lately, teams have started to shy away from trading top prospects for rentals and that is why we keep hearing about this “72 hour extension negotiation window.” It would ultimately be pointless tho as Machado will be a free agent next year.

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  84. yanks02026

    7 years ago

    Can a team even tell a team that you’re not able to trading A player to B team? I know Carl Crawford couldn’t be traded to the Yankees, but I believe the Red sox put that in his actual contract not just a GM/owner telling a team you can’t do business with the yankees.

    Could one of the reasons be that Peter A is more worried about Machado being flipped to the Yankees because that just means he and his GM didn’t get the best they could have for Machado.

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  85. venom

    7 years ago

    Angelos will bury the o’s get him out now! Ima yankee fan and don’t care about machado! We don’t need him and his glass knee! I feel bad for the oriole fans with that moron owner!

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  86. mdunkel

    7 years ago

    Same story all week. We heard this Thurs, Fri, Sat.

    Reply
  87. ZMZobeck

    7 years ago

    Breaking news!! Machado is going to Japan to play ball

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  88. jrruocco

    7 years ago

    Even if the Orioles work out a deal Machado will play out the season become a free agent and sign with the Yanks anyway. He is not stupid, he knows by waiting to become a free agent he will land with a contending team with lots of money and that is Yankees. Just trade him to the Yanks now and get as many great prospects as they can now an stop being ridiculous. They need to worry about getting a great return for Machado not worry about the Yankees.

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    • cky7

      7 years ago

      Machado to NYY via trade, regardless of which team trades him, just isn’t happening. NYY has shown tremendous restraint with giving up their top prospects over the last two years.

      But I agree, IF Baltimore is going to trade him, take the best package and don’t worry about where he may or may not play in 2019.

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  89. ultimatepeltsnatcher

    7 years ago

    Dombrowski has been lying in the weeds which is totally uncharacteristic. He is proven for his penchant to make make a big splash. Wouldn’t surprise me if he grabs machado and signs Hosmer to play first. Fevers machado (at short) pedroia and Hosmer is solid.

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  90. Cardinals17

    7 years ago

    The Cardinals didn’t make an offer on Machado because of no negotiation period. Why wouldn’t they trade for him anyway? If they got him, they’d have from now until at least the end of June to negotiate with him! Worst case scenario would be they’d lose their initial trading parts that is over stocked with prospects now anyway. If they saw the hand writing on the wall in June, they could get a king’s ransom for him to a contending team by July. If still in contention, they’d give him a qualifying offer and get s first round pick. Lord, he’s there for the taking and the Cardinals need that other power bat along side Ozuna. Take the risk. He’ll love it in St. Louis and the Midwest area. Then sign him and Ozuna to large extension contracts! $260 million for ballpark village is great, but that should have been put on the field first. Donaldson, Longoria are older declining players. This guy is young and hasn’t reached his peak yet. Go for it Cardinals. Ozuna was a great sign, but he’s not enough. Machado, Archer, Colome

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